 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this episode, this fantastic episode of my one-of-a-kind episode Pump for the first, I don't know 40 minutes or so we do our introductory conversation current events we ease you talk first we talk about American Idol and Shark Tank is that all scripted is it bullshit find out talk about Xeno estrogens Conspiracy and cleaning products which we mentioned Thrive Market because they have a whole section of natural cleaning products that don't Give you man boobs. Yeah, let's avoid that if you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump you will get one month free membership $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping you basically have nothing to lose Well, let's talk about pheromones and attractiveness the new app That's how look out and Justin was admiring my smell. I was huffing you we were talking about kids and allergies And then we were talking about my new Viori jacket Looking sharp. Viori is also one of our sponsors if you want workout clothes that look fucking awesome and 25% off with them if you go to Viori clothing. That's V URI Clothing.com forward slash mind pump you get a quarter of the price off 25% Don't forget the show notes everybody we get so many inboxes from people in the show notes There's direct links for all the things that we talk about that's on our website right mind pump media dot com I did you go right into the show notes and find it then we get into the questions The first question was if you're watching a movie with your family what snacks would you eat? We say probably none although Justin came up with a fantastic idea this weekend with his kids gave his kids Organify green juice popsicles what a dirty there's a hack Yeah, they are also one of our sponsors if you go to organifyshop.com into the code mind pump You get a discount the second question was what is the best way for someone with adrenal fatigue aka? HPA axis dysfunction to stay active and keep exercising without further damaging their metabolism When you're in that state your body is exhausted Horma stress hormones all over the place. How do you work out without making that worse change your mindset? The next question was on our recent podcast with Lane Norton We talked about anabolic fasting and we all kind of poo pooed it said it was a little bit of bs We discuss our interpretation of fasting how it might or might not work For muscle growth and fat loss. I'd also like to say something to doctor Lane Norton try fasting you fucking hard head. You'll love it. 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We have to read that very thoughtful So all of you are winners send the name I just read to itunes at mind pump media dot com Send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you Plenty gotta put on that party dress Buy me a dance buy me a song That's so good, right? I was like very country twang I think I could do a little country twang. Do you guys remember william hung? Yeah from the the yes American idol she bang she bang I think adam has more potential than him because if you think about why william hung was so good It's because he was so terrible. He's hung your way worse. So I think I'm just kidding enough for that. I'm not gonna make fun of your voice. Is that how he got famous Yeah, he got an american idol and he was one of the you know the rejects or whatever they say How you suck don't you he sucked in such a good way? Yeah, I heard that it was fun So I heard when they when they're doing all the auditions like that's crazy, right? How many they do they do I mean people pull them out they put they pick the ones Yeah, yeah, they of course So they intentionally pick like some really shitty ones and then they and then they pick I heard that they have like 10 or so they all agree on like like these are like the 10 And then everybody else is like for the drama of the tv show That's the thing they must like really play into I mean they must come in with their stories Already like like they wrote it all down Producer you see what you see when they come walking in, you know, they tell them or whatever I have a question Here's an interesting question because you know how if you if you Pass the the levels or whatever the judges get you to invite you back to the you know the american idol show or whatever You have to sign a contract That whatever money you make off of your music. They get a percentage, right? Oh, yeah, right? I know I wonder if they make everybody sign that including The shitty people You know I'm saying like if you get anything case, you know They they make money off of because the thing is like your name and all that like whatever you do from then on out Like they're gonna have their hands in it because they're the ones that that that elevated you and gave you the platform I wonder if william hung actually I guarantee they took money from him. Wow. You think they fuck him like that Yes, I don't think it's I don't think you get fucked. I think they're it's a deal It's like a record company dude like they they're they're giving you the platform to come into their system But then you sign a contract and they make all the money at merchandise Shark tank does the same thing because you get sure I don't think they do actually I think if they pass on they pass on I was actually just reading this crazy article on amazon, dude And have you guys heard of the company the ring security company? No ring security. Yeah ring security So they sounds like the lord of the ring Put this on and you're fine. They just got acquired them all they just got acquired for one billion dollars What the fuck are they it? So it's it's cool. It's like this doorbell ring security So what it and it's around your entire house all these sensors and it's like real time So soon it's a motion sensor and as soon as someone's walking in front of the house with that it automatically populates under your phone Oh, so you can see what so you can see it Yeah, and then if like let's say all the sensors around the house It just all starts populating on your phone and you got real time you can view what's going on at your door right away Oh Shit, I want that and the light comes on it's a spotlight comes on right away and then boom the camera So it could be in the middle of the night. It'll light up and then go right to your phone. See this is dangerous That's very dangerous because my house was burglarized years ago And in that state of mind right after you get burglarized I for sure if I had a tool like that with a place at my house and Somehow designed in a remote controlled booby trap so that if I see somebody walking up drop into a pit of sharks Yeah, like like I like I push a button and an axe falls on their face Oh, sorry, you were trying to you were trying to steal my What is this a cartoon? Yeah Their eyeballs I was a kid when I would watch cartoons and I'd see the anvil. I was always like, what is that? I had no idea until I finally saw one. Why don't we put up with this murderous rage? You know like uh, it's terrible. I thought that was great to murder. They don't even like, you know That shark shark tank totally passed on that shit and the thing ends up selling. They passed on that. Yeah, they passed on it Wow, yeah, they all they all passed one guy made a move on it But it was almost like it, you know how like sometimes they throw like a disrespectful offer out there I'll take 50% of your business Probably the asshole guy. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was something like that, but I guess Their second round of funding richard branson from virgin airlines. He hopped in on it and pushed it But that was so the the thing with that too is I think a lot of those guys that come on the show Like they'll they'll just like invest in for like a good pr You know, like it makes them look good. Of course. Some of them. So there's all those are factors All those factors factors, man. Are you guys were you guys tired this weekend? You guys do a lot After a trip I slept really hard tired night before last when we got back But I wasn't as bad this time because I then we had a night where we went to bed this out of all The trips that we've done so far. I would say for me personally, this was one of the least exhausting ones Yeah, see I made it because I caught Justin's cold. Thanks, Justin. Hey But uh, yeah exhausted. I didn't crept in my bed. I didn't do I didn't know you were awake. Yeah, I didn't do uh, I didn't I didn't do much this weekend So so like shitty feeling and then yesterday I started getting the throat tickle, you know, and you start to get the the back of your throat so I started doing the elderberry and uh You guys were did you guys were you guys super active or just just normal shit? I was not super active at all. I mean we working on the house I got a great first real workout in like, I mean it was yeah Yeah, this was the first and I know everybody's listening is wanting to know like so i'm documenting it So I'll post it on my insta story I'm exactly you're almost walking normal now man Almost yeah, you know when I walk really slow I I can walk without a limp, but as soon as I start to try and walk fast. It's that it's when I go It hurts. Yeah, it hurts. Yes. I was talking to Doug this morning And uh, I don't know if Doug minds if I share because you know, we get back from those trips Even if we go to bed early and stuff It's just it's a lot of energy because we're Either creating a new program or we're interviewing people or you know, you just have to be on All day including up until you go to bed because it's not like we all separate at the end You know at five o'clock when it's time to go home We're all in the same house and so we just work work work and Doug Arguably does the probably the most uh, just work work like he's constantly He's either editing or he's operating the controls or he's You know taking notes while we're throwing off controls against a rocket. I know I made it look like that I did two knobs I was like, where do you ever see Doug do this? It's either it's either it's either two nipples or it's yeah, but throw terms So I talked to Doug and I'm like expecting like oh, yeah, I was so tired relaxed like yeah I cleaned my whole house. I cleaned everything all weekend. So what'd you do like spring cleaning or something? Or is it because you just moved in no just moved in so I had still had boxes everywhere Just scrub the hell out of everything. Do you do it by yourself or you hire somebody? No, I had somebody come in help me out But I was helping around the house and putting things away. I got a question for you actually. Yeah, you've been uh using Have you been using the thrive market cleaning supplies? Yeah, you know, I bought a bunch of stuff from my own place And I got a bunch of toilet bowl cleaners some sprays and things like that I haven't so I've tried some of their cleaners and in the past. This is why I'm asking how they work without all that I mean, that's what I was gonna say in the past if I use a natural something You feel like it's weaker. It just doesn't work as good, you know, I mean, so I'm like, yeah It's fucking made with lemon oil, but I now have a stained, you know, toilet doesn't take the varnish off of things Yeah, did you did you did you notice any difference in the performance? You know as far as I can tell it works just as well as any other commercial brand Except it typically smells better and doesn't burn your eyeballs. Yeah That's it. So the one which one did I use I use the the dr. Bronner's soap, which is actually I don't know if you guys knew this It's like multi-purpose And then I have the disinfect a disinfectant spray or whatever And no it works just fine So I use the one on the oven and it cleaned it just well just as well Yeah, honestly a lot of these cleaners and things I hate using because they they smell like they're killing you Right so many chemicals. I feel like I'm getting cancer just dude I just so we did the episode with dr. Molly Maloof, right? And I got several messages from people who enjoyed the episode or whatever But the number one thing that people commented on was on her comment on Zeno estrogen or endocrine disruptors remember she made that comment And we've talked about this before on the show, but I think Hers residents are having a doctor say that right, you know, because it's a big deal Right because she's a doctor mean people still don't trust us. I guess on some areas, right? Don't they know we're exposed to every subject say it's stuff about everything But uh, but that's the the one of the the two places I think you'll be exposed to the most amount of endocrine disruptors So endocrine disruptors are or endocrine disruptors. Am I saying it right now? Yeah, I don't know. It's one of the other endocrine disruptors. Who cares? Is that these are chemicals that Will bind to However, weekly they do because they're not strong binders But they do weekly bind to at least they have an affinity for Receptors in your body that hormones attach to and so what happens is your these receptors express themselves as if you have more circulating estrogen or whatever in your system or It blocks those receptors So now you get less of an effect because now your normal hormones can't attach to those receptors And so you get all kinds of weird effects and a lot of scientists are saying that this may be playing a role in why we're seeing You know changes in kids hormone shit Well, man, of course testosterone levels have been dropping for a while now decades 40 years 40 Excuse me years and then with girls girls are going through puberty puberty earlier and earlier What are you saying are the biggest offenders? They're saying the biggest offenders or some people are saying well besides pollution Um are it's pollution really that one of the biggest offenders Oh, yeah, I now I read a study somewhere about like like when you talk about like our small Is that what you're talking about when you say pollution? Yeah Break dust and everything well when you when you compare it to where it was like in the 80s. Oh, it's better Yeah, it's way better. It is better, but it's still the a lot of people don't know that and I think it's important to point that out that We've made huge improvements. I know we get a lot of we get a lot of people that are freaking out about Oh my god, you're driving around a truck like that or you're doing, you know, that's the Volkswagen It's like, yeah, right, right, right But we're way better than what we were in the 80 way better Things are cleaner for the most part and you know all that stuff, but The other ones are the products that you apply on your skin your hair in your mouth or cleaning supplies cleaning supplies are um They're regulated differently and many of them if you read them They say like wear a mask be in a well ventilated area and wear gloves And I don't know very many people that put all those protective things on when they're using those products So they just don't want you to get high It's like it's like when they give you like those the medication, you know, like Vicodin and some of that says don't do with alcohol You kidding me? Come on. It's the best But anyway, thanks Adam for that. We're not advocating always good advice But yeah, so using the these natural products, which one of the things I like about Thrive Market is they have a huge selection like of cleaning products skin products that are You know on the natural side like that makes a big impact considering you use these things all the fucking time like every single day Yeah, there was a story I read about And I forgot where I read it, but there was this uh boy This this it was a blog and this mom's son was getting a gynecomastia And he was 12 now gynecomastia is relatively Common in boys as they go through puberty, but he wasn't showing any other signs of puberty and uh She took him the doctor and they're trying to figure out what's going on. It was getting kind of bad So she Changed his shampoo. She took away a shampoo And some of his other products and then the gynecomastia went away. That's her own personal account So it's not a a study or whatever, but it was pretty interesting So well speaking about all hormone stuff right now and we'll transition over to like this pheromone Article that I read on this company called pheromor. It's like p-h-e-r-e-m-o-r. Do you guys see this? No So it's like 23 and me meets tender What? Yes, so they're supposed to match you with like your dna match up saying that obviously they're what do you think about that? Terrible, right? I think that's I think it's bullshit, right? Yeah, it's it's blowing up though right now It's a big it's a big deal. There's a huge gimmick. There's a lot of hype a hype around it I don't think there's enough science to tell us however Let's say they could look at someone's dna and say oh for sure. You're gonna your dna Is going to match well with this person's dna what you may find is a Strong physical attraction Which might not be a good idea if everything else doesn't match, right? No, I 100% this is exactly the way my brain started working. It's like, okay So I could see all of a sudden we have this chemical attraction to chemistry. Yeah, right But then Mentally because of our history and our past and our things that we're into and stuff like that We're just not a match whatsoever So it'll be really interesting to see how they think about how many people that's fucked over right where you're super attracted to someone physically, right? It's actually that's actually more common than you think a lot I think we were just talking about this this last weekend that a lot of people mistake. I think love For lust for love, you know And so I could see that where you you start to pair people up because chemically they're supposed to be Ideal for each other but because of their history their past how they grew up in their relationships or their lack of Relationships or their lack of communication other factors that have dude. Nothing that has more social A social difference in their behavior. How sophisticated is this? Do they like I mean are they going forward looking at like like like certain Genetic predispositions to like certain diseases and yes like that everything so they're It's it's 20 factoring that I think about 23 and me and combine it with tender They're just it's just another way to another dating app basically Yeah, it's another dating app But and I call bullshit myself as far as like the effectiveness of it. Yeah, it's interesting though. Yeah, it's very interesting I would do it off, huh? So it's like not it's not just the yeah I would do it if I was single just for shits and just to see what they see Yeah, what they produce you know What if they send a picture of a girl doing you like you just get like a bunch of trolls You're like, ah, that's what my dna matches my pool Well, the thing that I wonder about though is if if it does every all the other stuff, right? Just like tender or any of those things match you up or dating sites match you up off of forget 23 If you just added 23 and me to that I would think that that would just that could help the situation Right, it may you know, but you're right. I agree with you that it could also dude Here's a deal like lust and you know that kind of physical Attraction if you've ever felt it that's you know just overwhelming I think it plays a role in a relationship but bonding Which lasts much longer because how long is that last right that initial? You know chemical high that you get from somebody Will only last so long at some point like all drugs your body adapts and uh acclimates and you know They don't necessarily provide that same chemical feeling Now it's bonding right and relationships You have to you have to have that bonding for a long term relationship to succeed And that's determined on a lot of shit You know like how you guys interact with each other and communicate what you do for each other novel for so long It is I so when I first and I'd never experienced Like and maybe you guys can share stories. I don't know if you guys ever experiences, but I've never experienced a chemical Like I don't know how else to explain it a chemical high Like I did when I first started dating my girlfriend, which is you know Thinking back is the only way I would have ever dated her because remember I had just Like gotten a divorce. I had just left my home and although we hadn't been happy for a number of years I was in no way shape or form In any type of space to try to you weren't you weren't even looking hell No, all I want to do is work and take care of my kids. Like I did not want to think about Being with anybody at all period and I you know meet Jessica and we start hanging out and I'd never felt this before like I would smell her like literally like I was enthralled by just Everything and it was overwhelming to the point where We wouldn't sleep like it was I remember thinking we actually had conversations like this the first few months We were together. We're like we can't continue. There's no way I can keep doing this. I can't keep Going this way because I'm going to exhaust myself. I'm going to get sick. There's no way my body can keep doing this Because it was such a powerful chemical reaction it was literally like being on Drugs like being on an amazing drug But that also could cause you know, do you did fucking not sleep and not eat and all that other stuff If you guys ever experienced something like that where you're just like probably not to your level because how many years were you married for again 15 yeah, that's like Uh, what's what is it chris rock who does the whole stand up with the the no It's eddie murphy does the cracker analogy right where he talks about like a saltine cracker You were probably starving for such a long time for that and then you got it was like the Fucking saltine crackers the best goddamn cracker I've ever had in my life. Maybe I don't know I don't think I I listen to it It sounds a lot like remember angelina jolly and billy bob thorton We had like, you know little vials of blood around their neck and everything. They got like really crazy with it You know, well, I mean, how was it like when you first fell in love with your wife? Was it oh, yeah No, it was silly, right? It was well It was one of those things where we just like found ourselves hanging out like every single minute and it was like, whoa I need to like, you know Go do something over here. You know and it was just so we just would we couldn't like not hang out You know, it was crazy. See Katrina. Katrina's been the first girl that I had a different type of an attraction that I had Never felt before and I can't say that it felt like what you're saying right now. There was more of this Uh mental connection that I'd never had before with another human being much less a female So that for me was like the and that's where I wonder things like this like How much of the pheromones the smells of things like that are that important? I think those go all the way back to primal instincts for us But I think that we're so civilized now that there's so many other factors that matter If all we did was fuck each other eat and kill Like and then I think that would be the most important. Here's the thing like I I've definitely been lustful Uh, you know for people for sure But I didn't it wasn't like I wanted to sleep with Jessica, you know I did honest to god I just wanted to kiss her which is very strange because I'm in a situation where oh shit. I'm free. I'm single You know if anything I'll just randomly sleep with someone was my mentality Um, I didn't even I just wanted like make out with her which was very very strange Very strange feeling. I never felt like magnetic But I I think what it highlights is it's way more complex than one thing. Yeah way more complex like my you know My grandparents basically You know, especially in those times in Sicily like you don't date at all You're not allowed to especially if you're a girl What you do is you your families meet and you say I want to I want to marry your daughter and then the parents are like All right, that's cool And then they schedule the fucking wedding and then you you you might go for walks with the whole family next to you You have no time alone and then you get married and my grandparents have this very strong You know bond as a result and I know other family, you know, there's other people in my family You know older generation like that. So I think it's super complicated. Oh, it's way more I remember my high school sweetheart Like just being infatuated with her smell like I like the way she smelled first thing in the morning Yeah, like an animal. No, literally like I remember that that feeling But we couldn't have been more wrong for each other Yeah, and and a lot of it had to do with like how she was raised and how I was raised and we just did not But we stayed together and we were off It was the only relationship where I was off and on like this with a girl Like I dated for two years solid and then for the next four of the six was like purely chemical Yeah, it was like oh not with each other couldn't resist each other get back together They're not often it was like We kept getting back together because of that probably that primal instinct of there definitely was this chemical bond between the two of us But then everything else didn't it's got to go further than that. Yeah It has to or else it doesn't I would say that the chemical bond that chemical attraction as enthralling and fun as a little strong For sure in the beginning. Yeah, and as addicting as it is because it can be addicting It's funny it you you can you read articles on this where people say they're addicted to that feeling So that's all they ever chase Um, but I would I would even venture to say that that plays the smaller much smaller role I do now because we're not animals. I don't think we're this is where I disagree that we're like this We're these still these fucking baboons running around We're so much more civilized Well, but think about that like if that's your belief that we evolved from that Well, then if you go all the way back then like then that would be totally normal Then it wouldn't be this conversation We need to have like it would just be no reserves. It'd be primal It would be you would want that just that smell that instinct and you would have of course Well, look at look at they do studies on women and when women are ovulating they desire Or attracted to men with more outward signs of testosterone I remember when you shared that said this is a very fascinating versus when they're when they're not ovulating When they desire men with less signs of testosterone and scientists theorize that it's because The higher signs of testosterone strong genes lower signs of testosterone probably going to stick around So it's like get pregnant. So really the the real reason why like all these men now are such bitches are because of all the What do you call it? Earth control Women are selecting control women are not selecting high testosterone You know, I I speculated on that a while ago The other thing might be that because testosterone levels Can fluctuate depending on your circumstances quite a fucking bit including your thoughts And including your your company I think it's like if men are around a lot of other men and less women I think testosterone levels tend to go up and some of them I'm not quite sure what what it was, but I know that they're quite flexible I'm it could very well be just that high signs You know signs of high testosterone are just not desirable And so men are kind of evolving to be more desirable They're kind of molding into you know that sort of You know that loving guy that's like really soft Well women play a major role in the the the hierarchy ladders of society because they're the they're the They're the biggest selectors of mates. It's not men men are Men aren't necessarily driving who who you know who they're selecting as much as women are women are much more Picky so dude speaking of women Do you know that when there's a direct correlation with women and the height that they're high heels with our economy With our economy. Yeah They've been doing the yeah, they've read this they read this study But they've been doing on the the height of high heels and the the the worst our economy is the higher the average high heel is And it peaked in like 2000 and that makes sense when we had the crash 2009 It peaked at the average high heel was like seven inches high or something And we're all the way down now to like two inches And so like and that's and they the theory is that you know, it makes them feel good more about and during times of when it's down and bad High heels have actually increased in sales. Yeah, so and then right now where we're at like it's down to the average of like two inches And then the we can relax sneaker sales for women are up to like 37 40 percent Isn't that funny? That's weird. Well, I know that I know that along those lines I know men when they're stressed out are more attracted to women with More curve or higher body fat and when they're less stressed out or more attracted toward Towards thinner women and the theory behind that is if you're in a state of stress Wait, wait, wait, back to you. Okay. So so if when we're stressed out we're attracted to what thicker thicker women And but and then we're not stressed when we're less stressed out We're it's funny. I would think it'd be the other way around because if i'm stressed out I see like a big girl. I think I gotta feed her, you know Like so that would stress me out more I see like a real angry If i'm broke and things are tight i'm like i gotta find me like a little 97 pounder You don't say that what salads all day No, it's because of ramen, you know, no, they think it's because uh, if you're a man and you're stressed out your body Is feeling like oh, you know food might be scarce. We might be you know harder to take care of people So a woman that has more body fat is probably going to survive longer with less food So not what you were actually the opposite But along the lines of what I was thinking to a big girl and be like, listen I don't got much money, but it doesn't matter. You don't need to eat. You've got lots of storage On your body. So we're just gonna We're just gonna let you eat through that dude dude. So this this weekend I got to share this before I forget. So my sister had an incredible There's such an incredible process with her kids. I got to share this on the show. So My sister has now three kids right boy girl and then a new big boy. What eight months old Okay, five months. Yeah, so her oldest her son is uh, I want to say seven her daughter is Five maybe or six and then her youngest now is five months and Her two oldest kids Both severe food allergies like severe multiple severe food allergies already now her her husband Had is got autoimmune issues had asthma terrible as a kid You know had some food allergies as a kid. My sister has some symptoms of autoimmune issues But so combine those two Then you have her kids who and on her husband's side their food allergies. There's a genetic component for sure My nephew her oldest severely severely like anaphylactic type allergy to all tree nuts to the point where cross contamination could be deadly to I believe eggs to fish dairy I think that's all of them. So severe food allergies multiple and then her daughter my niece I think has two or three which are really really bad and her and her son also has asthma So my poor sister is like and she's my sister is my sister paula. Shout out to her Uh, one of my heroes for sure uh in life. She's my younger sister But she's one of the strongest people I've ever met and part of part of why I think she's so strong She's had to deal with all these different types of challenges And the way she deals with these challenges is she deals with them head on it doesn't mean she's not stressed out or whatever But she fucking tackles them. She does research. She talks to doctors. She talks to me And she she really tries to distill the right information now Early on with her son and her daughter the information was communicated to her was avoid At all costs avoid common food and food allergies for your kids Up until they reach a certain age because we don't want them to develop a food allergy And that's what doctors have been saying for a while like don't feed your kid nuts Until they're like two or three or something like that like don't feed your kid some of these things for a while Because they think that that's how the allergies develop and all that other stuff And they didn't say anything about probiotics or gut health Is that because they're they're their gut is so sensitive at that young of an age? That was just that was that was well that was just the prevailing theory That was the theory that was the advice that we were getting now studies were coming back from other countries where for example in ethiopia A common food that you give your child Is this like cracker that's made out of nuts and they give it to kids at like four months old And of all the countries and I think it's ethiopia. I hope I hope it's the right country that i'm saying I know it's a country, but I think it's ethiopia Where nut allergies are non-existent non-existent like almost non-existent and they compare it to other countries in the region and other countries And they find that oh shit, and we also have the clean environment hypothesis where Uh, you know scientists have been saying the environment is too clean kids are are Like we're cleaning their hands too much. We're keeping everything too sterile There's c-section birth. So they're not exposed to the You know microbiome of the vaginal canal We're giving all these antibiotics and that's what's causing that's a playing a major role in all these autoimmune issues and this Seems to be the case because when you look at studies of kids who grow up on farms or kids who have pets Their rate of allergies and autoimmune issues is much lower So if you have a pet or two in the home, it reduces the risk of your kids Significantly of having autoimmune issues if you're in a farm Also, so if you don't push it needs to be dirty if you don't push your kid in the dirt at least once a week You're not a good parent. So so here's what my sister did with her youngest Who's just five months old now? He she took probiotics while she was pregnant. By the way, this is not Recon i'm not making this recommendation. You have to do your own research because this was all experimental She took probiotics while she was pregnant She had a normal birth And when he was born she instructed the doctor to not wash him off right away To put him on her chest and for her to hold him With after birth and whatever For I think an hour or so afterwards and then they took him and they washed him. She also gave him these infant probiotics um, and uh So that's what she'd been doing, right? What's that chemical where they bond uh oxytocin? Yeah, yeah, that's in the released after breast milk, right? So she did all that and I think she did a natural birth, which uh, I think natural birth birth may play a role Just for bonding and a lot of stuff. But anyway Um, she had the baby and she's freaked out because I mean when she had her oldest my nephew When he was I don't remember how old he was two or something He had some something with nuts in it And he had such a terrible reaction. He became He started appearing lethargic and then was almost non responsive and she had to like she fucking had to like Give him emergency Like benadryl she's like she's like I thought I was losing my son So it gave her terrible PTSD as a result with both of her kids She's super freaked out now with her youngest and the doctor check out what the doctor told her because of all this new information This is over the course of this is the difference between five years of the information. They're telling some parents now They told my sister My your son is five months old. We think it's a good idea now To give them some peanut butter and my sister's like what? Like this is you guys told me to not do this and they're like no And they're sharing the research with her and they're like look it's new information It's new research But some of the evidence is showing that this may be the way to avoid some of these food allergies is by giving them to your child at young ages to see how to have their bodies Develop or or not view them as these foreign invaders type of deal So over the weekend she took her five month old and she's so scared She had my aunt over there and she followed the protocol. I remember what it was It was like give him a little bit of peanut butter and water Wait 20 minutes give him a little bit more wait another 20 minutes and whatever she was crying She was so terrified terrified because I mean if she did that with her son now, he died like even with an epi shot Yeah, dude, he might die. That's gotta be scary for her no reaction He had no reaction at all and this and it's like the probability that her third child would have all kinds of food allergies Very high right no reaction whatsoever. He also has a little bit of eczema which all of her kids have eczema But he has the least amount of eczema He sleeps the best and she thinks it's all of those things You know that she did But how fascinating right that now the doctors are saying To start introducing these things and again check with your doctor do not take what i'm saying as advice for your own Kid, you know do your own research But how crazy is that that it's because it's the fucking opposite I remember she was like, oh, I can't give my kids this that and the other because the doctor said It's a bad idea until they're like two years old just like a conventional hospital and nothing like Um, this is her own private. Yeah, it's her private. No, it's a doctor. Was there a private doctor? Yeah, it's her doctor But how crazy is that and so i'm reading this article on this that uh, these they are now saying like It's probably That's probably the main thing or at least that's what the evidence is showing is that this Hyper clean so what they're saying in the article I read it said children need microbes Not antibiotics And so they're saying things like yeah, definitely wash your hands We go to the hospital and if you're around sick people and stuff like that But like let your kids play in the dirt a little bit Like don't like this is all stuff like inherently like I I like I you kind of know like it's okay. It's okay that they get during we've done this since we were kids Like why is it any different like why not immerse yourself in it and let your body kind of respond accordingly the same thing with like You know when they have a fever like kind of let them give them a little bit of a chance to fight it Until it gets to a point where yeah, obviously it's if it's too high We want to bring it down, but give the body a chance to really fight and produce On you know antibodies and whatnot. Yeah, it's it's so it's interesting right because hygiene and the germ and germ theory Saved countless lives. I don't know a billion worldwide Billions of lives now we're leaning so hard on it Right like like the fact like when we discovered germs and discovered that you got you know killing them prevents You know infection all these different things like it saved billions of lives But now we're like our all-out assault on them has caused potentially some some terrible Side effects so So I think they're recommending like in the in the article they're like, you know Not everybody can become a farmer right let your kids play outside which kids don't play outside anymore Well, I'm just surprised like you mentioned this is from a physician that uh, it's not like a functional medicine practice or anything This is like a regular doctor. Yep. Yep. Yeah And it's new information and because my sister has two kids who already have severe food allergies She's like a candidate for this new information. So I don't know if they're I don't think they're communicating it to everybody Okay, I think they're like specific people Let's try this out or whatever because it's still somewhat experimental. Well, dude, like Think about what could go wrong. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't know if you've have you guys ever been around somebody Yeah, somebody I don't let anaphylactic shot. Have you had to have yeah had to apply the epi pen There's scary shit, man. It's fucking frightening. I have not as I get seen out of Pulp Fiction Do you just stab it in their heart? No, no, no I threw that Pulp Fiction joke out and either one of you fucking got out of you slow this morning or what? You don't remember that part It's both the sticks to fucking like six inch blade into That's messed up classic man. Yeah But anyway, you're looking pretty snazzy over there, dude. I like are you like this? Yeah, you've been wearing that a lot. You like it, huh? I do I got a lot of compliments on on this this weekend actually from people really the I just I just ordered a whole fuck ton of stuff for them. They have So Sal's wearing the vorey the company that we just recently Interviewed the CEO and we're working with right now And this brand is dope, dude. I mean the material looks really good. Well, the material is super top notch It's you know as good or better than like lululemon. So it's it's quality. Oh, no It's really and the style the fit everything's cool. I got online last night and They have like three four different styles of zip-up hoodies and then regular pullover hoodies that are like the one You're wearing right now And ordered a couple of those and they have different styles of pants, too So if you like the more like fit real real fitted and tapered look or you want just like a I love their shorts, too Man, I mean I'll rock those all weekend when I was working out and It's just the fit and the the lining on the inside feels really good Like you don't really get a lot of shorts that have like really good lining that like you know makes it fit Well, I was always a fan of like lulu and stuff like that But it just was not geared towards man a lot the selection. I feel like it's an after a little too It is that's how I feel I feel like they got they got so big. It's like hey We we've got enough we have enough of a marketplace. Yeah, these women want to buy stuff for their boyfriends, right? Right. So they just have like this little section for well that highlights the I feel like it highlights the direction I'm not a fashion guy by any sense of the imagination. However, I'm a fitness guy and what I've noticed throughout the last probably 10 years is that Workout clothes have slowly become normal everyday clothes. They started with lulu. They come fashionable Yeah, lulu levin did that right where women now wear workout clothes to fucking go out and hang out And it's not a big deal. It makes a lot of sense because who wants to go change all the time Yeah, it's like I just want to wear some clothes go to the gym, you know get some lunch whatever and I do it all like back to back I just don't think uh, I don't even think people are wearing to work out half the time They're just wearing but you know, just go shopping. I would argue that 80% of lulu lemon and veori Where is there probably just walking around it? I mean, that's what's cool about it is that it's fashionable now It's in style. You can get away with some jogger sweats and some nice kicks and and look like you're fitted I I go everywhere like that's what I'm saying So it only makes sense that it started with the with all the most markets right start with women and then yeah now Now you have them going. Oh shit men want to wear wear workout clothes to all the time But also not look like they're fucking unemployed, you know, I mean Walk around with sweats before during the day people like I look like you don't have a job You know, I mean Brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20 off at checkout Our first question is from a k sufit if you are watching a movie with family, what snacks would you eat? This is uh, this is a tough one because this is a habit of mine that I've been working on for quite some time I do have This bad habit of when I get in plenty's No, no in fact, I was I've been craving those I've had those in a long time I asked for Robert was guessing Robert to hook me up with some he brought me some fucking Weird chocolate bar. It's like Yeah, Robert goes Robert overseas with us this last weekend He goes yeah He goes to the that goes to like 711 or some shit down the store and he's just like to pick up his fucking Copenhagen And he's like, hey, do you guys want anything? I'm like, you know what? We'd already been smoking weed hanging out already So I was like in that mood and I was like, hey, you know what give me a box of good and plenty's if you see I'm there Is there hard to find that rarely ever you find them any more he gets you like a protein bar No, it wasn't even that it was like some fucking chocolate wafer weird bar like I'm gonna watch him. I call it Yeah, kind of like that. You know confused good and plenty with like I knew it was something weird Can I just say real quick? He's okay. He's six foot eight three hundred and I don't know 75 80 pounds He's a fucking giant. Yeah, he doesn't eat that much. No, you out ate him. That is weird. It was strange Well, I just it just confirms what ben pokolski said to you when he corrected you when you made the statement of You know people these bodybuilders that are they have the genetics to be able to eat so much food Yeah, they had the genetics to digest it and ben was like, no, it's actually quite the opposite Is what it is is that they have the ability to eat less and still and still maintain and obviously Robert is he's supposed to be a big dude right fucking massive giant so he's not forcing it I was expecting we were need to wheel like a cart of food dude. You heard him say he's he right now He is at his high school weight What it's fucking crazy. Well, you see the size of the guys That's right. Look at the size of his head. He was bouncing people at like 16. Yeah, he's just he's just a giant He's human being but that being said this is something that I I still struggle with it's a habit of mine I like to come home Turn on a basketball game put dinner down in front of us and eat and what I catch myself doing is and it's obvious Right, we talk about this all time about how distracted we are by all these things is you start to mindless eat You know, and so I've been trying to like start to incorporate practices like this where I I start portioning my food out smaller and then I eat it and then I kind of wait And it's like if I'm still hungry after 15 20 minutes, then I can go back and have more But just not piling on a plate sitting in front of the tv and then going to town I think this is the habit and this is what people do with popcorn and candy and snacks and crackers and chips Is like oh the candy is is a big one. I remember so I take my kids sometimes I like weigh it out all the time. I'm like do I Get candy this time like sometimes they want like, you know, some Reese's pieces or something to go with the movie It's that so association thing and Um, I it had been like I weigh it out based off of like k the day before did Did they have any kind of treat or they have like a soda or whatever? You know and and so like even this weekend I was like, okay, we're gonna watch a movie and I was like just I was conflicted because I had already taken them You know the day before for ice cream and that was kind of the treat thing that I did Because my wife works, you know during this week. So Um, so I just decided you know what this time. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna get a little bit creative And I'm gonna do something a little bit different And so I decided I looked on organifize website and they had like a link for Making these uh these popsicles with the green juice. What yeah, so I just like filled up water Because he got like a minty. Is it just pure green juice frozen? Yeah, that's it man. Is it good? No, nothing added to is good. Did you like it? Yeah, they liked it actually which I was like Get the fuck out of here. What a great idea. Well, you know what? I've blended it on ice before and it's really good So it's kind of like the same thing. I didn't even think about what a great easy He just yeah, you just freeze it He put it in the cube kind of tray and then put the sticks in I bet you the orange juice or the yeah the orange bowl the gold would be really I'm gonna do better. I should have done that because that has more of kind of a fruity kind of fruity taste to it But that would be really that is really smart. I'm gonna do it It's like you know because like the the candy thing I get It just always happens when you're watching a movie like you want something That means you ever ask the experience you ever ask yourself. Why you've trained yourself. That's totally it's a one It's a 100 it's 100 association You that's been made for you by manufacturers This is why I you know and I'm not recommending this as a strategy But this has been working for me is that because I've already created this habit of where we eat in front of the tv A lot is that I will portion out my plate or Katrina does and it's a very modest serving And then then we're sitting down. We're watching like the game and what's cool is that when the plate's finished And I normally could definitely eat a lot more than that. I'm fine I don't want to get back up go to the kitchen make a play I'm now I'm into the I'm into the game or then show and so then like that's it You know I'm saying I'll eat that and then I'm fine Where if I bring something that's a you know quote unquote snack to in front of the tv like oh, that's dangerous It's fucked. I'll say this. I'll say this very clearly the worst One of the worst things you could do or one of the worst ways you can eat is in front of tv computer iPad or phone one of the worst things you do because You are both making or reinforcing a connection you have with entertainment and eating Which will forever make it difficult for you to you know, enjoy entertainment without food And the second more important thing is If you want to learn how to ignore your body signals distract yourself while you eat I mean While you're eating is one of the best times to connect to your to food and your body to connect at least the way that food Affects your body and to connect your emotional state with your food And if you want to Completely throw that out the window. We'll just eat food while you're watching something. Yeah first off studies Driving driving. Yeah any time you're distracted, you know studies will show Pretty conclusively that eating it while distracted will increase the amount of food that you eat You're you're less connected to your body. You're less. You're not paying attention to your body signals You're not really looking at what you're doing. It's very mindless I have rarely in my entire life sat down in a quiet room without any distractions and eating an entire Family-sized bag of potato chips. I've done that countless times in front of a tv as a kid countless Never do I mean imagine this Imagine how hard it would be to sit down Maybe not so hard for some people but think about this You're alone. You're just chilling and you're just you're not distracted And you're just going to sit there and eat a whole bag of chips Much more difficult than if you're watching something on tv for an hour or two hours 100% It's it is I think the real answer is if you're if you're a parent and you're asking this question I think the strategy would be You know the fact that like we all crave that is because we had created bad habits early on I would be striving to break that habit with my with my children if I had kids Because I know it's just oh, yeah, right. I don't let my kids do it A much better strategy would be let's all have a family dinner together Let's eat at the dinner table and then let's go then we'll watch a movie. That's it. What I tell my kids is Rarely, I shouldn't say never I say rarely because sometimes we'll do it together because it's fun, of course And I don't I'm not a you know, I don't want to be a killjoy But most of the time if my kids are like, oh, you know, I want to eat something I'm hungry and they're watching tv I'll say okay turn the tv off and come sit at the table and I'll bring you some food Nine out of ten times are like and never mind. I don't want to you know what I mean So it's like you weren't really fucking hungry You're just you were just watching tv And you and want to distract yourself while you eat something right and I know I felt the same thing So I'd say one of the worst things you could do for yourself with nutrition for you and your family Is to make that a habit, you know, um, because I know listen there's family. So when I was a kid We would do this sometimes we would eat dinner while we're or not dinner Excuse me, we'd watch tv while snacking But when we were eating dinner, my dad was like no the tv is off I know families the opposite a lot of families they do not do any meal without tv at all right and so You know, this is you're creating these habits and your kids and they're going to grow up and do the same thing with their kids Turn everything off if we're going to eat we're just going to sit here and eat And if you want to talk or you want to whatever then we talk to the people around us Because it creates better habits and better relationships with food than just being distracted. I agree Next question is from Mitra grace. What is the best way for someone with adrenal fatigue to stay active and keep exercising without further damaging their metabolism or adrenal glands So I'll tell you guys why I picked this question not because I'm necessarily going to answer What this individual is saying but because I want to address the actual question itself and how challenging it is to To deal with this kind of individual, which is most people so i'm not picking on you Mitra grace. This is how most people are and what they'll say is Hey, I have x Health issue, but I don't want to lose my gains and I want to get leaner and I want to get fit How do I do some panic there in that question? Yeah, like here's the deal If you truly are suffering from hpa axis dysfunction, which is the more accurate way of saying adrenal fatigue Then the then don't worry about your fitness and fat loss and whatever goals because those are those don't matter They're inconsequential if you're Unhealthy you could pretty much fuck those off anyway Get healthy first because you have to be healthy before you can start focusing on those things I'll have people, you know, tell me I have all these hormone issues And I've got terrible sleep, but I want to lose weight and it's like well step one Is get healthy and we're not even gonna look at weight loss until we can get healthy first because if we focus on the weight loss Either while we're focusing on your health or Instead of your health, you're gonna end up in a worse situation So my advice to you Is to address your hpa axis dysfunction Primarily and forget about anything that has to do with Uh getting more fit or whatever now as a as a side effect of addressing your health issue You're probably gonna be more fit and you'll probably You know because all of this includes food and all that stuff, right? You're probably gonna naturally get leaner anyway, but don't use that as your motivation because that's gonna push you Uh in the wrong direction. I have something to add to that too I I had um god one of our forum on one of our long time forum members Julie shout out to her when I first met her This is what she was concerned that she was suffering from and I met her in an orange theory class And the first thing I said to her is like this is not an ideal place for you If this is potentially what you're suffering from which is why we see her do these major walks all the time And so I would tell a client like this that's Concerned about you know not putting on a bunch of bad weight while trying to get themselves healthy and address this potential issue is to focus on neat Is is don't focus so much on intense exercise where you're trying to get a sweat and Train really hard strength train and walk a lot You know i'm saying and walk a lot don't turn it into this You got it you got a pound it and you got a burn a ton of calories like just move move more throughout your day And focus more on a strength training program where like you're running like a maps two to three times a week Like maps anabolic to me that would be the advice that I would give someone like this But right sows right on with the that should not be Your the way you look and all all the the goals that you have as far as training as concern Is less important to getting yourself healthy and fixing what's going on because otherwise No matter what you do in the gym right now It's going to be short lived because you're going to get back bro. This used to be me I used to I used to do that. You know what I mean where I'd be like, oh, shit I'm getting sick can't miss my workout Or you know my health isn't so good You know, how am I going to keep my gains like that's the most important thing and Because I wasn't focused primarily on the health aspect of it. I would just make myself Worse every single time you have to be healthy For shit to work or at least at the at the at the absolute least You know, you'll you'll get away with it for a very short period of time But yeah, you need to address your hpa axis dysfunction, which means probably Elimination diet focusing on on quality sleep managing stress Eliminating, you know, like I said elimination diet eliminating foods that are gonna not make you feel so good and probably reducing A lot of your intense activity to give your body a chance and you know, the the the central nervous system You know, I was a Jason Phillips that brought this up and I agree with him I think the central nervous system kind of has a little bit of a memory So, you know, because I know I've worked with people like this where they're like, oh, I've been doing this for three months I think it's time now to go super hard on my workouts And then they'll go back to their hard workouts and they're right back to where they were before in a very short period of time Sometimes it takes a little bit of time What do you think what do you think the common client looks like as far as like what what they're doing currently To to be in this situation like for me if someone's in this they yeah Yeah, it's typically somebody who's got a lot of stress whether it be at home and family or work Yeah, it doesn't sleep very well Trains really fucking hard and then a binging and purging type of mentality with with food like just either Lots of coffee not much sleep push push push and then on top of it They're typically attracted to like spin classes and hit workouts and you know crossfit You know, I've had people with a lot of crossfit So it's it's quite calm. It's funny when when we had dr. Molly Maloufan And she she was talking about her client with the continual glucose monitor and how She told her because they were trying to figure out why is your your your insulin levels doing all this crazy stuff Even though your diet seems to be good and she's like, oh, I wonder if it's your relationship with your husband All right And she let this woman left to go on vacation or something and during that period of time Her insulin levels were much more balanced and it was completely a result of of her lifestyle of her And I had nothing to do with her food. Yeah, you know what I mean? How crazy is that? That affected her like that's so crazy. It's insane Next up john wilmuth On your recent podcast with lane norton. There was a brief mention of anabolic fasting Lane and adam both seemed like it was bs Could you discuss your interpretation of how it might or might not work or be beneficial long term? That's such a marketing fucking boy, dude It's To say anabolic in a fasted state is is like an oxymoron It doesn't even make sense you're catabolic at that point when you're not consuming your body's either anabolic or catabolic, right? It's one of the other it's not like either or or it's not it's not both or it's not Anything else but that so if so and if you're not feeding the body It's catabolic and and you're hoping that it's mostly burning body fat It's isn't a performance enhancement. You know, this is just part of the protocol Yeah as indirectly. Yeah after you're done with it you get a lot of health performance benefits from it, but like it's a totally different mentality than You know the protein, you know, you're trying to consume To to maintain gains like this is something that you know, you're trying to reset Uh, you know your immune system you're trying to get like a filtration Uh system with the cells like you're you're doing a lot of benefit neurogenesis there's there's so many things going on that as a result, but Yeah, the the adding you know, like this reminds me. What was the protocol is like the bca's they're trying to add in So you don't lose like a stupid, you know muscle. Yeah, it's just it's a I know who created this term Okay, who came up with it. I also know they're they have a supplement company and I also know that they attach BCAAs to the the protocol for fasting, which is all crock of shit It's no different than calling a supplement a fat burner You know, there's no such thing as a supplement on the market that actually burns fat They can get away with marketing that way because it's a hustle, right? Because it speeds up the metabolism or it creates it creates a more of a calorie burn because your heart rate starts racing Because it affects the central nervous system and so therefore I can say it's a fat burner But it doesn't really yeah, they found a marketing angle where they could add a supplement into this already You know needs nothing protocol, right? If you want if you want to fucking fast and you want the the best benefits of it don't eat anything So here's the thing like So i'm gonna add a little piece of this So I just completed another 72 hour fast. I do one every month now And what I've noticed so far is my third one Is the first ones I did I did the first one I did because I really wanted just to get my gut health just You know to a point where it's like fucking normal like I'd managed it It was good, but I just wanted it to get to a really really good place And over the course of the last three months. It's definitely Gotten dramatically better to the point where I think if I keep doing this I may have solved some of my issues I've also noticed some other stuff though as well I've noticed that about two or three days after the fast when I'm refeeding super sensitive energy goes through the roof Energy's through the roof my and I'm fucking Lifting like I stronger. I feel better and now does this mean that fasting is anabolic? No, I think being healthy is anabolic So indirectly Can utilize can utilizing fasting Help you gain muscle well Does fasting improve insulin sensitivity? Yes Does fasting improve, uh, you know markers of inflammation? Yes Does fasting improve gut health and nutrient absorption? Yes. Does it Help with uh protein, uh, efficiency of usage? Yes So indirectly can fasting be anabolic? I definitely think so. I definitely think so. I wouldn't call it anabolic fasting though I wouldn't do it for weight loss either Fasting is not a diet tool to lose weight or gain muscle and the reason why now can can it contribute to both those? Yes, but if you're if you're approaching fasting with the mentality that I'm doing this game muscle or I'm doing this to lose weight You are going to develop a worse relationship with food And it is going to become a a perversion of the actual benefits of fasting to begin with and you're not going to eventually It's going to be come a detriment, uh to you because of all the points that you made too I could turn around and I could take the the whole 30 program, which I think is a really cool thing It's very similar to like a elimination diet and I could call it the anabolic whole 30 I can call it the anabolic improves your health right anything that improves your health Arguably can become sleep can become Anabolic breathing yeah, but the fact that this one bothered this one bothers me a little more than some of the bullshit that we have out there Just because it's scientifically wrong like we you can't when you're in a fasted state like you're not actually anabolic at that time You're technically Catabolic so to try and make it sound like you created something that hacked The fasting system of the fasting protocol that now it's anabolic because you've learned to do it just the right amount Of then add bc8. That's a bunch of bullshit. Nothing. You're adding at that point matter Actually adding amino acids while you fast is counter It is counterproductive. Yes. Yeah, because one of the reasons why you're benefiting from the fast is your body has no glycogen or protein and so it rapidly accelerates cell autophagy Now you feed your body a bunch of protein and carbohydrates. They're gonna break that down you you reduce that so Yeah, and taking amino acids it's just again why they sell amino acids That's why you know why they do this because you can't sell shit with fasting. No, I know you can't Fasting is the absence marketable. Yeah, there's nothing you can buy That or at least there was nothing you leave it to our industry though. We called it with the keto We called it with the keto diet way back when we called it with the fasting thing same thing Leave it for the industry and I've looked up the anabolic fasting diet It's basically a carb cycling type diet and does carb cycling increase muscle math I mean anecdotally some people say it does maybe through increasing insulin sensitivity. I look I I'm noticing as a side effect of fasting Because I'm getting healthier my workouts are just much better But if you're super healthy already is fasting I mean, like I said, you improve your health. You're gonna build more muscle You improve your health. It'll be easier to burn body fat But again to a certain point though again doing fasting for building muscle burning fat is not no No, I mean you fast when you bulk for that because you notice you're just healthier When you do it and now what's the side effect of that? Right? You probably have an easier time building muscle But I do want to say this Your health will lead to typically more muscle less body fat up to a certain point Up to a certain point more muscle less body fats unhealthy So that's another thing to keep in mind like if you want to be fucking shredded Yeah, you're not going to get it through optimal health optimal health will give you a little bit of a buffer But at some point getting down to five percent body fat means you're going to become less healthy At some point you're gonna have to go against your body signals at some point You're gonna have to take anabolic or do something crazy to gain more like I weigh 100 and I'm I'm I'm generally around 190 pounds for my height and I've determined that that is for me a healthy muscular weight Can I push my body to? 200 to 210 With more muscle if I really push my body and make it a little bit unhealthy Yeah, uh in the short term then my health will fail and then I'll I'll end up losing it anyway not feeling good So keep that in mind as well like health gives you this great Place to be and then from there if you want to get super shredded or push your body a little bit more you can do So but you develop this nice Baseline of where you're gonna be and for the most part for most of your life if you're really healthy You're gonna look fucking awesome. So that's the benefit of fasting. It's not anabolic. It's not fat loss. It's health Next question is from alice NASA 32 How do I communicate to my boyfriend who is a very conservative alpha male that it's okay to be vulnerable? I love how you guys are able to talk about your insecurities and would love to get my boyfriend to open up like that Get a listen to my pump fuck. Yeah I like justin's input on this because I think This is the hardest for you Between between the three of us how to communicate to my boyfriend who is very conservative How do you communicate to your boyfriend for ice for that, you know, it's like it's That all is on him like it what he's willing to Sort of I don't know like go through like if he's growth minded at all You know my angle with it has really been to Really try to improve my communication with my partner and so You know to for me to start opening up. It's it's been it's taken a lot of work Because I mean the it's not your nature It's not and in every man that I've sort of looked up to growing up whether it's my dad or my my My grandpa, you know, especially my grandpa has been very like super macho my dad not so much He's he's a big softy, but um, like that's this I just gravitated towards like More of these like high testosterone you know sports like coaches and and guys that were like very Super macho about everything, but I think I started to soften up when I had kids obviously I mean that was just one of those things that just happened. So I can't say have a kid, you know, that'll solve it I don't want to give that advice But if you say don't tell him go up your butt control My mom told me yeah Yeah, no, I don't know. I just think that like just talking talking to to him about Certain topics that maybe Are sensitive and just opening up that conversation You're such a dick for dishing it off to Justin first on this one. No, I want to know because you look at this be honest I don't really know how to give advice. You and I don't have a tough time It's talking. Well, I'm gonna. I think we have a tough time not talking So I was gonna ask Justin who you know has Arguably grown not even arguments obvious has grown the most in that category Since we started the show. I think all of us have but you and you know What would you and I started out so then Justin? What would you say is what do you think is attributed to your ability in the last Four to five years to become more vulnerable and share your insecurities and be okay with those things because I absolutely agree with sal and that that fact. I think we all have What do you think has been key factors for you to being able to do that? I think I think as going through the process just seen the response Uh, I've gotten as far as when I opened up and I talk about Subjects that I'm uncomfortable with there it is right there So then I think that that's what she has to learn to do with him Is that there's there's when they when you got to be able to recognize moments where he's being vulnerable And you got to make sure you can commend that behavior or make it be okay with that, right? And I think that Saying that oh, I want my alpha male to be more vulnerable and share insecurities Well, I would as a partner I would like look at the things that well, what am I doing to promote that? What am I doing to help that like you saying like tell me or be more that's not helping that's not gonna work Right, there's gonna be moments where he shares things and this is where I like exercises Like reading together at nighttime it would create this dialogue With Katrina and I where we would touch on topics that we just normally would not ask each other if we were just having Normal conversations so the the reading thing was a game changer. I think I referenced a A little conversation starter game that I thought was really cool and have like a sentence on there and you know It would require you guys to talk about so with that. This allows you to kind of become vulnerable And then when that person shares something that's Uh vulnerable or an insecurity there's is making sure that you say something you've gotten great feedback from the show Yeah, right So that's where it helps for you like you say something that might have been something you're very vulnerable about Then all of a sudden you get the flood of dms being like, oh my god, Justin Oh, wow people actually appreciate that right, you know, like I think yeah, it's different because You know The operating system like in the way that I used to talk it was very short and like You know, you don't Especially when you're around other guys, I think too. I think that He may still be hanging out with other guys that are super macho and like like, you know, are are doing things that like You know, he's still sort of in that state of mind where it's like I gotta I gotta like impress my friends and this and that And I don't want any of that, you know Vulnerability shit, you know, I don't want any of that. Well, I didn't put out on blast This is a by the way this there's a reason for this everybody says society, right? Oh society makes it hard for well Yeah, but why why is society do that? Well, if you look at uh men and the bonds that men share One of the things that we need to know about our other men is can we depend on you? When shit gets hard now, that's not a that we're not logically, you know Consciously thinking that this is through evolution and all the evidence you need to prove that this is true is look how men Treat each other versus the way women treat each other when men see each other Good friends, especially then the closer you are the worst. This is by the way It's not like you don't do this as strangers. You just your buddies You fuck with each other terribly like the the nicknames that your friends give you Are really fucking hurtful, and I mean they're supposed to be like I'm not gonna you're building a shell. I was reading this in uh, we were just discussing we were talking about this when we were in Paso robo Yeah a lot because it's we just noticed that like like why do we fuck with each other so much and we appreciate any names It's hilarious. We appreciate it. Yeah, look I had so one time I went to my friend's restaurant And it was a new restaurant He had just opened and he's showing me around and he introduced me to staff And he goes, oh, this is john and this is you know, this is sarah and whatever and then this is nine And we're talking and I'm talking to everybody. I'm like nine I'm like, are you german because he didn't learn german and I thought nine was like a I don't know. You know, yeah, and he's like no And he goes yeah, I go. Why do they call you nine? He lifts up his hands and he's missing a finger And this is this is how guys give each other Nicknames like I'm not gonna give you a nickname on the shit that you're cool with I'm gonna call you something that you're on your sauce. Yeah, if you're bald your nickname is baldy if you're fat your fat head or whatever and men do this to each other because we're literally Testing each other to see how we can handle Difficult situations. I want to know if we're going to war. You're not a pussy Bro, if we're going to war if I if I call you bald or small arms or small calves and you fucking start crying I don't want you by my side when we go to battle Exactly and so men test each other this way But the the side effect of this is you then feel like you don't have the space to communicate To your friends and when you're vulnerable now There's a difference between being vulnerable and whining And so guys need to know the difference if you're a whiner Nobody wants to hear a whiner and that's if you're a guy or a girl Nobody wants to hear you whine about shit that you're not willing to to make something happen or whatever But opening up and being honest. This is how you communicated to your boyfriend I'll tell you what if he thinks he's a tough guy and he wants to be like hold it in explain to him how Or how much tougher he is doing the things that are difficult for him because it's true Because I was look I had a little bit of this too when I was younger like If you told me that talking and being open You know was more tough and I disagreed with you and you said well, why don't you do it then? I'd have a light bulb that will go off and be like, well, I guess you're right like you're right Like if I'm really tough and resilient, I should be able to talk about these things Because I'm too weak to talk about these things and that may actually get through to him Honestly, that's that that was my angle was just that I'm so uncomfortable with this that I wanted to address it You know and so that was like the growth minded part of it is I think the angle that I lean the hardest on because I hate Talking like especially when it comes to really personal stuff That's going on with me, but with my partner. That's something that I've always really tried to work on Specifically not so much with other people and be open with that but if if he can start doing that just with you I would definitely Try that angle I would challenge her to to dig here and ask questions because We may sound like or at least I may sound like on this super vulnerable guy who shares all his insecurities Which I do on the show a lot But a lot of that's prompted by questions or sal or justin digging into me I I am not like that at home. I'm not at home. I am not in fact Katrina will tell you that I'm like an onion She's been peeling me back for the last seven years. I am definitely not that person at all But if you ask me, I'm an open book So if you get if you get into me and you say What makes you feel that way hun or why why does that bother you or you know? What was difficult about that or you start asking questions like that that challenged the way I think I love to get into that like let's talk about it Let's let's I'll tell you why that bothers me and then I I'll have a story normally to what leads up to that And I'm totally fine with sure but to just like Sal's note like I'm not just some pussy Who's going around whining all day about how difficult life is and I'm insecure about this and I'm scared about that And I don't fuck that that ain't me at all. I'm nothing like that But I am an open book of you if you prior you ask questions I will share and I think that a lot of men may be like this And so I think a lot of times partners just assume they've got this super alpha conservative male to be honest with you They're not asking the right question almost every alpha male I had are some of the most Insecure or had the most vulnerable dudes. I've ever met they got a lot going on. That's like a shell buried it They're they're super alpha and they they present that way and I seen this in male and female situations where they present this ultra confident role But then when you really dig deep the inside they're this soft little cuddly teddy teddy bear But you just got to be able to get into that and the other thing too is if you know When you're when you're having a difficult time sometimes it's important to communicate it not because you're whining But just so that people have a little bit of context, you know, like when I'm when I was going through my divorce I you know, I told you guys a couple times like hey listen I'm having a really tough time right now not because I need hugs and whatever But because I want you guys to have a little context as to why I'm a fucking lump on a log or why I may not be Performing the way I can like man I'm having a really and you guys are you know man enough to understand that and I do that with my girlfriend too So communication is very important whining nobody wants to hear whining But you know something you said earlier Adam I think it's really important when he does open up a little bit even the smallest amount Show him how much you appreciate it. You know what I mean? Yeah, then that'll encourage him like rather than becoming uncomfortable yourself You know when he gets uncomfortable and says something, you know Don't go maybe not hug him and like rub his head and make him feel like a baby because that may actually make him No, you want a man to feel good compliment compliment his process of thinking his law How smart he is his logic things like that so when he says something that is vulnerable or opening up about insecurities You know compliment that but don't make him feel like a baby or pussy about it where you hug him and hold them Or no, no, you might want to be unless he wants that right, but you might want to say something like wow You I really I really admire how strong you are to be able to say that like that to a man Is like fuck yeah, like I was strong for saying that shit You go up to him and you pat him on his head and like, you know, let me give you some more milk or whatever He's probably never gonna open up again Because well because I'm you know because men we like to feel Like we're the ones that are taking care of things like that's the way we you know Either wired that way or because we're brought up that way and if we feel like you know, unless we're sick Then we like to be baby. That's a totally different story. It's supposed to be like invincible Yeah, that's a totally different just be glad you have a you know a guy with testosterone still Yeah, most of them don't right right and then the last the last bit of advice is you know Fuck this could not be the guy for you. I think that's the hardest thing to the pill to swallow Is if you're somebody who really enjoys in-depth Conversations and getting diving into vulnerability and securities Like man, there's some guys that are still dealing with so much stuff Like they they have a long process ahead of them before they may ever become that person who is vulnerable and shares insecurities And you know, you might be at a time in your life that You want that type of communication right now and he potentially may not just be there You know a lot of that stings to think about a lot of women say they want really good communication But but a lot of women also like that that kind of quiet You know mystery a little bit and and that's a that's a very it's a stereotype But look they do studies check this out right when when there's pictures of women If a woman is smiling or just has a like a normal stoic face men will typically rate the smile as more attractive It's the opposite for men when women look at pictures of men and they're smiling at the camera versus looking kind of stoic and like Women are more attracted to the guy who's not smiling. So there's definitely a level of You know, there's a reason there's there's there's so many reasons why men tend to have issues with communication And you know again part of it is you know, we found that we're probably more attractive if we're a little bit quiet sometimes too So you have to communicate what you want to him in ways that are effective Otherwise, he's not going to know but I the word that communication for you is not Ask him to talk about his insecurities or be vulnerable It's to ask those questions that potentially will dig into that You know I'm saying so if you you know your man better than anybody else Like if he's got this protective shield that whenever childhood stories come up or Talking about his mother or talking about past relationships or talking about his business relationship You know those areas that are probably difficult like dig into those areas You know how I used to get clients to open up sometimes is I would tell I would make up a story I tell belly breathe. Yeah. Oh god. That's worked a couple times But no, I would I would make up a story So if I had a client that I suspected Was having an issue with something I would make up a story that I thought was very similar to what they were going through Talking about somebody else, but you're really talking about Exactly. Oh man. Yeah, let me tell you I had this client who you know Was going through this divorce was very stressed out and these are some of the things we did Next thing, you know, the person I'm talking who's like, well, that's what I'm going through right now And I'm like, oh, no shit. That's right. That's what I thought but I wanted to open that up Yeah, I wanted to open it up. I wanted to serve it up to you weird Yeah, so sometimes you can you can tell stories that maybe give him the Opening to where he can kind of come in and be like, oh, you know what happened to me or whatever I think that's a great strategy. Yeah, excellent. Look at go to the app store on your phone and get the mind pump media app What you can do on that app is you can actually search for terms or topics And it'll pull up all the episodes where we cover that particular topic because we have Almost 800 episodes. That's a lot of hours of talking and information And if you want to get specific with what you're trying to search for the mind pump app the mind pump media app Is specifically for that and it's free You know, I don't listen to a ton of podcasts aside from our own and I usually even even when I listen ours I kind of fast. It's true. I always catch you in the car listening to us. Yeah, don't fucking lie, bro You listen to us all the time. I listen to ours I probably listen to I think I listen to us the least I listen to other podcasts probably well I don't know Justin Lee puts it. I listen to quite a bit of podcasts Yeah, you're always the one that turns me on either one of Ben's or one of Joe Rogan's that you really like I was firing a kid Those are kind of like my go to the one that you told me to check out on Ben Greenfield's podcast the one with What's his name? Brad Kearns Oh the speed the speed golfer guy speed golf. I thought Adam existed. Yeah But he's a keto athlete which I always find fascinating because there's a lot of people that say you can't be A good athlete unless you don't eat carbohydrates And then he talks about how he doubled his testosterone 52 years old, bro, 52 years old, which is impressive kind of interesting. So it's a great episode I highly recommend you go check it out. Of course, Ben Greenfield has got a great podcast He's always been a good friend of ours very gracious when we first met him a couple years ago Before we really grew a lot of people don't know this is what motivated me to finally take steal the jubelite from The studio and take it to my house. So this has become like a regimen for me Because you put the red light on the yeah, this is every every morning at night Ben was the first person I saw do that I kind of introduced us to that when we were up in Spokane Right, but those that have been listening for a long time know what I'm going through right now Which is I've I'm over six months now I've had no testosterone no synthetic testosterone and my my testosterone levels are in the floor And the red light if you're sensitive And the red light therapies have a lot more hugs these days those and I've had a ton of people Inbox me that are above the age of 40 plus or also Have been in my situation where they took uh synthetic testosterone maybe for years before and now they're off and they're trying to Reboot testosterone levels naturally, which is what I'm going through. This is a great episode for you guys to listen to I think it's episode like 9 30. Although he doesn't uh label them episode numbers Yeah, put some numbers on your episodes But the title of the episode is doubling your testosterone levels and the guest was brad kerns And it's the ben greenfield podcast go check it out. 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