 If you look at Tupac, he is the blueprint to what a phenomenon looks like. He knew how to act. He knew how to make hit records. But I know that live entertainment is going to last as long as humanity is alive. Let me ask you a question. It's going to be something. What do you think? What do you think Tupac would be in this in this internet world right now? He would, Tupac would be a full, Tupac would be Denzel. Wow. Tupac would be Denzel that had that kind of credibility as an actor and still could go in the studio and come out with a hit record if he had to. But he was just that smart that I just felt like his talents were that they were above average doing those times because you got to understand we was all just trying to wrap this dude already been in school for acting. So that's the reason why when you look at Tupac, he is the blueprint to what a phenomenon looks like. Like he knew how to act. He knew how to make hit records. Hey, records that's deeper than just the club. That's a special artist. That's what made him special. But when you look at him, man, you look at Tupac, you look at these phases, me against the world. He had some transitioning that he had to do as well. If you really go back and look at those. How though? Because that first spot was like a like a militant. Like he was talking some real. I think he adapted to the time period of what was going on. But then when that me against the world came. I set the tone. Boy, I knew I knew I was a park fan forever. You know, because the music and you you write like juice and all that stuff. You I don't understand. He had to have a hell of a balance to do that. What he was doing in the time that he did and still writing hit records. Exactly with no problem. They go throughout. You know, I just remember that when they locked him up, we had been running with him, they locked him up for that me against the world. And I went to six flags out here and the me against the world and drop and I just remember that was the first time I start seeing people tattoo people his his album cover on they self. I started seeing people tattoo to pop and me against the world on their bodies. I would like to see this deeper. This deeper than just a rap song for somebody to go tattoo somebody album cover on a body body. You know what I mean? I was just like Pakistan to reach another crowd. And if you look at it, dude, like he never was considered wrong and nothing he was doing. It was like even when he took a back took a picture with gold coins. It was negative. They call Big Daddy came out his mind. They never said nothing about pop doing it. Wow. Because he never did nothing for an image. He did it for that's how he was feeling. And I think every time he did something that was just off the cuff. It came off. Yeah, came off the right way. Everything after him. I think the industry watch what was cool and they watch what worked for other people and then they started to me artists now they dress them up like they get these these stylists to put these wild clothes on them. The clothes don't even match the music. Like if you go west on wild clothes like that's it. A lot of people like yo, you know, we've seen the Dungeon family. They started all that in the south. Yeah, we did. But at the end of the day, we had George Clinton sitting in the house with us while we were making the music and he was telling us, Hey, man, how you gonna make music like this and then go to Greenbride in the foot lock? He thought that was crazy. Yeah. So he said, man, when you make music like this, you got to make sure your music and your clothes match your music. And bro, you're not going to get one master music in foot lock. So that's why me and Dre started. I started going to the clothing to the fabric shop. And then that's when I just started. I started making my own clothes. And once we got to Nashville, we was doing a music conference and it was bad boy and organized noise because we was both signed the Airstrip. And I mean, that was the first time I wore one of my outfits and everybody was just like, let's you look crazy, but I knew I said it might look crazy. But it only looked crazy because you don't know what I'm doing. What I was doing was I knew that we was new. Our dialect was new. Our music was new. But I knew one thing if we did, if I wore the craziest shit, you was going to remember me. Wow. And that's so true. And that's how I remember 100, 3000. I'll always be the same thing. Well, you got to understand, even when I interviewed DJ Chos, the other day, he said that because they asked him. He was one thing he said was he was like, I think he was asked when it wasn't yours. It was actually my issue we have a TV and it was like, you know, he was like, man, if I had to do all over again, I don't think I was memorable in these enough with NBA boy. And I was in there with, you know, all the Fredo bangs and all of I said, what would you do different? He said, I came out like JD. Did at the Super Bowl every time I'd have had on some to make them remember me and that's what you just said. So and that's that's that's being ahead of your time too. Cause a lot of people wasn't thinking like that. You know what I mean? I told Mike Jones the same thing when he came out and he kept saying his number and all that. That's advanced. That's marketing. I was paying $3,000 a month. Yeah. Just to keep what I was doing as an experiment at the time. Okay. I didn't have Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you killed it by making have tic-tac to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was just straight. You straightened out. Yeah. You was the only one doing it. But see, I was I was all alone. But see at the time, it was good because by myself. Yeah. When nobody else does. Oh, you trying to do it too? No, nobody. It wasn't like eight of us trying to do it all at the same time. No, y'all was doing your own thing. Yeah. I was doing my own thing and it go back documented. Oh, two. Oh, three. Oh, four. It's documented. Oh, five. The document. So back to what I was saying, I had another number. Single or wild. Yeah. It was killing me. I was happy to get on that microphone and tell the fans, hey man, y'all holla at me, two, eight, one, four, five, five, one, five, eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, why y'all was giving out your number? Well, because some people book and fake my tone shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to keep my brand right. So I'm going to give you my number. It's like you giving out a business card. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, I do it. That's it, that's it. You got to keep, yeah. That's the only way you're going to stay on in mind. Unique hustle. For sure. Got to have. It's a unique hustle. Hey, if somebody is saying anything that's against you, unique call us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's different than you giving out a business card and I put it out on the song. Yeah. You see, you know what I'm saying? He was the chief for that. That was so cold when he did that. I'm like, man, that man put his number on there, man. 100,000 out of there. And I heard when you said in a video, in an interview, because you were talking about Big Boy and Andre 3000. And for me growing up when I was watching them, all I could see was Andre 3000. That's who I would always listen to and love. But you were talking about how great Big Boy was and what he did and how he contributed to our cast. Yeah, Big Boy to me is the anchor. Like Dre is the star child. Big Boy is the anchor. Like, if you use the thing, Big Boy will it be? And, you know, like Dre, that's Scarface. That's all I mean. It's like, that's what it is. And I think that every group needs those kind of striking dynamics to be a great group. And if you just go back just to the first album and then go to the second album, Big Boy really shine. He was shining. Me and you, those first singles was big on the hook. That nigga here, we're doing like that. Man, he was moving to it so smooth. And I'ma tell y'all, the first, this is when I knew we was big. This is when I knew they would be. We had already went platinum. But our first concert, big concert, they were like, we going to Dallas. What? Dallas was the first place Outkast broke Gregg Street. Really? Gregg Street is who broke Outkast in Dallas. That's four years. What year was that? That had to be the first year. That was the first year we was out. That was like 95 probably that summer because we came for, we came for the radio show Outkast was performing with Tony, Tony, Tony at the Dallas stadium. Oh, wow. And that was the first time I walked on the field and I was like, I looked at, I said, boy, y'all indeed something there for us. But we at the Dallas stadium, bro. And that was the first place we knew. And then that's on Gregg Street moved to Atlanta. Oh, yeah. I remember when he left. I remember when he left. That's Outkast.