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off at the easy to change setting and that way you will appear in the list that beats up let's get into this because we have the valve steam deck and then we have the Nintendo switch OLED or Nintendo switch in general and obviously the big thing is should Nintendo actually be worried about it now valve steam deck is an interesting product an interesting product it's essentially at least three times more powerful than the current switch potentially four times more powerful it's it's around a low end to right at the edge of like a mid-range computer I want to call it mid-range though the specs on it are nice the 16 gigs of RAM are nice DDR5 that's nice but it really feels like you know some people have been trying to compare this like a PlayStation 5 X it's not even close and those things already are basically around mid-gen or like you know a mid-level PC you know a thousand dollar PC which I know that sounds like a lot but I mean if you're building a decent gaming PC it's going to be anywhere from 800 to a thousand bucks if you can get everything at MSRP so when you're looking at you know low-end I would say this is more like a gaming laptop that would be around that $800 price range which you can get decent gaming laptops around them but you're not talking anything that's gonna blow your mind but you are talking about things that are more powerful than the Nintendo switch and so it's gonna be able to play all your PC games no problem and what's really nice for it and what works in its favor is that they are using a sub 1080p screen just like the switch and I find it funny some of the people touting this thing over the switch when basically games are gonna run at 720p on it just like they do on switch and that's people always criticize Nintendo for not upping that to a 1080p screen and here's this four times more powerful platform that isn't doing that either and why isn't it doing that because at that screen size which is the same screen size as the switch OLED it's seven inches you don't need more than 720p what's more important is being able to push frame rates and obviously being able to push graphic fidelity it would be nice for that to be done at 1080p but then you have to sacrifice frame rate and graphic fidelity to push a 1080p image so why not just push 720p and where obviously you can dock the system from everything I've been able to read about the system there's no additional spec boost while it's docked with direct power like there is a switch not that it needs a spec boost but yeah it's something that you know you can do from what I'm being told based on people who were able to successfully pre-order one it does not come with the dock the dock is being sold separately which you don't necessarily need you can just use a USB-C dongle to HDMI and do it that way but obviously the dock is you know directly designed for it there'll be third-party options and all that as well then I'm sure that we dirt cheap but yeah so it's a device that's out there it's coming out what valve is running into issues with right now is the demand for the system is way beyond what they expected not only did pre-orders sell out with within basically a half second of them going live the pre-order numbers were so high that valve is now telling over half of the people who pre-ordered that they're said that they will get their system but they're not going to get it until sometime in 2022 remember the system releases December of 2021 so they don't have enough they they sold way more pre-orders than they have systems so a lot of people aren't going to actually get it till 2022 when you're able to just readily go on Amazon or go to you know anywhere and just buy this thing is probably not going to be till summer or late 2022 and I'm very interested to see what those pre-order numbers are we talking millions of pre-orders are we just talking you know 10 10 20 30 50,000 100,000 I have no idea because I'm trying to figure out what the demand is for a system like this because when we talk about should Nintendo worry about this platform it's all about can this really affect Nintendo's market will Nintendo factually sell less switches after this system comes out I don't think it's going to affect this holiday because it doesn't come out before this holiday really especially since it's sold out but but can it affect next year and one of the big counter arguments and this is a fair counter argument is that well hey it doesn't have those Nintendo exclusives and that's going to move units and I can agree but as any avid PC gamer will tell you you could just run the use you switch emulator on this thing it does have enough specs to run that emulator and you could just play pretty much any switch game you want at better frame rates necessarily better resolution but better frame rates anyways with higher graphics settings or at least mods and yeah you can now it's also against the law unless you are someone who is actually creating your own ROM switch by the way I know there's a couple people in our community with hack switches that do create their own ROM files and that's the legal way to do it and to you people that's great but to everyone else it technically is illegal to download ROMs I don't know if you guys know that doesn't matter if you own a copy of the game or not the act of downloading the ROM is actually illegal making your own your own ROM file is not but yeah so is distributing so at you know whatever everyone's wrong on every end of it but that's just from a legal sense not this is a moral sense I will say this there's a few people I saw that said screw this I'm gonna sell my switch and just get a steam deck I could play all the switch games on it anyways yeah you're gonna play them all by downloading your legal legal copies of the game and you're gonna get into a moral conundrum when all of a sudden maybe at first you're just you know you know downloading ROMs of games you previously owned on switch but then next year when it's between three and Breath of the Wild 2 and you know sparks a hope land and then you download ROMs of those games when you don't own a switch knowing full well you are have no intention to actually spend money on those games because those games don't work on your system that you won't so there's a moral thing there too for getting the whole legalities of it that's also look if you're looking to replace your switchers this thing and you're just gonna screw around I'm gonna I'm just gonna emulate all those switch games are you really planning to still buy those switch games when you have nothing to play them on I mean maybe you are maybe you're just gonna keep a bunch of sealed copies of games and you know try to keep your moral moral compass high I have no idea I guess I can't presume the way things are with that there's no doubt that this system is a shake-up in the marketplace a shake-up in the marketplace you know and in the sense that it could affect Nintendo I think the biggest thing here is that the cheapest model of it is $400 the switch OLED is $350 so for just $50 more you can get a four times more powerful platform it really makes the switch OLED and switch in general look massively overpriced but I think we have to take this into consideration we don't know what it actually costs to make a stream deck right now I have a sneaking suspicion valve is losing money on the $400 stream deck I just a massive sneaking suspicion that particular unit loses them money if that's the case then that's almost not fair to Nintendo because then you're gonna say well you need to compete with a system that is selling for say a hundred dollar loss like that's that's not fair asking any company especially one that solely relies on the revenue of its games and game systems not like valve who has an entire platform that's massively popular and they just profit like hell off a steam yeah that's not realistic right I don't I don't think you can ask Nintendo to do that so I do have a suspicion that that $400 one is a profit loss at launch anyways that doesn't mean every product in the stack is you'll see prices going up for the product as you add you know different SSDs and all the stuff in but in price checking what those things cost to manufacture I think they're hoping to make up their profit loss on the $400 model with actual profits on the more expensive models and that because it looks like those might be actually running in the green for valve so I think they're just hoping for a nice balancing act for one counterbalance as the other and then obviously the big thing is try to get non PC gamers to buy this thing try to get switch owners to buy this thing and start investing in the steam library of games because it's going to come pre-packed with steam OS and people and for the most part the general consumer is not going to uninstall see steam OS they're just gonna run with what comes of it which is steam they're just gonna buy games on steam they're just gonna play games on steam but it's not a locked platform right so like Nintendo switch when you buy a switch you know unless you hack it where's my switch all right so this is just the console gets up with the joy cons on so it looks more like a switch and not just a tablet so like when you buy a switch what you're what you're getting is a locked platform that if you hack it you could end up putting Android and stuff on it not Windows but you put Android and the thing is with with this system from from Valve it's an open platform around the gate you can reformat the memory you know the hard drive in there and you could install any OS you want you want to sell Windows you want to sell Linux Android doesn't matter iOS you would you know you want to run like a virtual machine Mac on their go for it you can do that it's not probably advise this will be the best experience at least for like a VM but running Linux probably run great on it running Windows will probably run just like fine just like it would on the equivalent laptop so and when you run Windows or Linux of course you get the benefit of using different platforms you don't have to use Steam you got games on good old games you got games on the Epic Game Store stuff like that hey here's you know Blizzard you want to play World of Warcraft and stuff like that hey here you go you don't have to use SteamOS for that so yeah that is the benefit of it as well for tinkerers is it's a PC it's literally just a PC in your hand so laptops are PCs in your lap this is a PC in your hand so you can uninstall SteamOS and do whatever you want so yeah that's a thing I but I don't think that's the target for this I don't think the target of this platform is to those tinkerers although there's going to be people who buy it that do that it's going to be to people I think this is Valve's attempt to make PC gaming even more accessible to consumers that don't want to like can't wrap their mind around mouse and keyboard controls because yeah it's a lot of games a PC you just hook a controller up but sometimes like there's driver incompatibility or you're wondering oh hey does this controller from Xbox work with this what do I need I need a dongle do I need this I need that and I know right to me as a PC gamer that just sounds asinine I've been PC gaming for 20 plus years but also at the same point I'm not interested in this thing and it's not because I have a switch even if I didn't have a switch say Nintendo just had the Wii U2 or whatever and that's what I've been gaming on for Nintendo I still wouldn't be interested in this system but why all the games that I play on PC I prefer mouse and keyboard controls I don't really play games on my PC that I want to play with a controller for that I'll play on the Xbox Series X I'm not gonna play that on the PC so I'll play like my Age of Empires I'll play the Command and Conquerors you know World of Warcraft or like you know whatever Anno 1880 like I'll play all that stuff on PC but if I'm gonna play like the Witcher 3 yeah you can play it on PC with mods and sure you can play with mouse and keyboard but to me that's a more enjoyable game with a controller I'll just play it on my Xbox Series X the experience is good enough there that I can deal with not having all the mods I want and all that right like I can I can sacrifice that for just a more seamless experience in my opinion and I'll just stick with my PC doing the games that I like to play with mouse and keyboard so that's just me though not everyone is that way but that's the way I am as a PC gamer so because of that that's the way I am I don't really have an interest in this now the counter argument to that is well could this replace an Xbox I don't see why not this could replace an Xbox because if you put windows on it you're gonna get game pass on this bad boy you'll be able to take advantage of that you'll be able to do X cloud on it you're gonna be able to basically be like the perfect Microsoft portable machine so that's actually a really fair argument I think it's more a threat to that than Nintendo and it's weird because Nintendo is the one that has like the same form factor doc same kind of concept except this is removable controllers so it's very interesting I don't know how much Nintendo needs to worry about it I guess time will tell in 2022 but I think it's a very interesting concept just I don't have a lot of interest in it but see that's the thing is it do I not have a lot of interest in it because I don't own any games on PC that I want to use controllers for but what I just buy games or PC that uses controllers and then just play them on Steam Deck and do all my other games of mouse and keyboard on P on my normal PC see I get it it's just I happen to own an Xbox so I'm not gonna do that does that make sense hope that makes sense so if I didn't own an Xbox series X this platform actually holy shit this might replace an Xbox I already have a series X so it's not gonna I'm not gonna replace it I already bought it but huh now it's not gonna look as good because it's not as powerful but what if you want to play handheld you don't care about playing on your TV hmm let me see what some guys say what you guys have to say about this I'm not really competitive for Xbox either don't care where you play as long as you are but yeah well it's what I'm saying they don't care so when I say competitor I don't mean like what I kind of mean is like if I didn't own an Xbox series X I theoretically could just play all the games from Xbox and this why me what do you guys think but I already own an Xbox series X so that's I mean I'm I you know I was going to pre-order one by the way there was two reasons I tried to pre-order one one because I thought it'd be really cool to compare it to switch and switch OLED and two I kind of wanted to open it up but besides that I was going to give it away I had no intention of keeping a steam deck it was going to be a surprise giveaway to kick off next year can't give can't get my hands on one so it doesn't matter hint hint wink wink valve partner up with me huh let's do this let's do this together let's convert some switch people together if your if your products worthwhile isn't the memory small for the steam deck so the $400 one comes with what 64 gigs just like the switch OLED which is pretty tiny however you can expand it with a micro SD card just like your switch so slap a 1 terabyte in there I know that that's a bit expensive but it's just as expandable a switch I mean to me even like the 500 gig one seems small to me because I fill that up with games easily on my PC but I guess I wouldn't put all my games on here though because any games I play most in keyboard I just wouldn't install on a steam deck because I literally wouldn't use it for that even though you can I why would I most in keyboard game with it I mean I guess it's like if you don't want to bring your laptop but you want a PC game on the go I suppose you could like bring that with the dock and like bring one of these like this is like a portable monitor bring one of those with I suppose I don't know I don't know the battery life is like they said anywhere from two to nine hours or something kind of depends on what you're doing like I'm sure the nine hours is if you're playing indie games or if you're just like watching Netflix you know it can maybe last like seven to nine hours if you're playing more graphic intensive games like Doom Eternal and stuff like that I spent that to be like the two hour thing but I mean two hours of pretty high setting Doom Eternal on the go doesn't sound that bad I mean switch with games that push it only get like three hours so it's not like in comparison it's not you know the worst thing in the world then you can obviously get battery banks and stuff we've already talked about in the past a switch how many diesel batteries does the steam system use and how long does it last it's not a nomad to but I like the reference Cory it can replace the series S but not the X can it though I mean it's gonna be an emulation beast people are gonna put windows on it and emulate like crazy it's gonna be it's gonna be the god of emulation consoles right now the X-Base series S is the god of emulation consoles this is gonna overtake that this is gonna be an emulation like everyone's talking about oh I can go by like this $200 thing yeah okay well good it comes pre a little bit 200 games and like the emulation success or you could buy one of these and just run any emulator you want I mean we can't ignore the steam deck is going to be an emulation god it just is it is a perk of the system people are gonna put windows on it and they're gonna be running emulators and it's gonna be the best emulation portable gaming machine in the world just is what it is there's nothing else you can say about it when it comes to emulation if you're someone who's really in the emulation this could you know you want it on the go this is the system for you you can use any controller you want to steam it's no big deal switch playstation xbox keyboard I know by the way I wasn't saying that you can't use controllers with steam that's not something I said I said on PC I prefer to play games built for mouse and keyboard it had nothing to do with me say it actually has nothing to do with steam in general that's just me and be as a PC gamer games I play with a controller I play on console that's just me not everyone's like me some people only game on PC and there's nothing wrong with that I used to use controllers with PC I played Madden on PC and other games on PC with controllers I play Witcher 3 with a controller on PC I just it just doesn't feel as natural or as smooth to me as the Xbox and I think that's only to be fair this isn't the fault of steam it's not the fault of anything when I game on a traditional PC you don't control your whole computer with the controller so I have to use the mouse and keyboard to get into things and then we're really just a mouse and then then once you get into things you switch over to the controller and that to me just more cumbersome then just picking up my Xbox controller hitting the X button turns on and you're good to go now there are options for that steam OS in general on anything you can control that entirely with a controller that's the point of steam OS for the most part so yeah anyways that's another here and over there we can do it you can't get a PC for $400 it can beat the Steam Deck you need at least a thousand dollars even a laptop to match once you know is it cheap PC is a steal um it it's it's let me look at the specs again for it I had the specs up the other day so I just I just want to see exactly exactly what what this thing's rocking here okay I'm with the cost of specs here we go so four core 8 thread running at 2.4 to 3.5 gigs so that's like a AMD processor I mean it's not that's not like that that's a really low end one so if you just go to like I don't know let's go to Amazon quick here just go no it wouldn't be it like a 5700X so it's closer to like a Ryzen 5 3400 4 core 8 thread and that's a really really cheap that's a really cheap processor when it's in stock which is not or maybe it's closer to a Ryzen 3 either way it's really it's a really really cheap like it's like a hundred dollar it's like a hundred dollar processor consumerized so it's not like a stupidly expensive CPU to be clear it's a very cheap CPU so the GPU compute units this is one thing that I'm that I look at that and I go one that's not very many to how powerful is this thing really is this just like a Ryzen 3400 G which is a onboard graphics like how many compute units is that let's see here that's 11 so it's not even as good as a Ryzen 3400 G so 3400 G again is integrated graphics this thing I don't think those powerful as people think it is I think people are massively overvaluing how powerful this thing is it's perfectly fine to run your games at 720p it's not a platform that's gonna run things even nice at 1080 it's specifically built for that I think what I think what's throwing people off is that you know GPU clock speed is 1 1 to 1.6 gigs okay yeah that's double the speed of switch and and how many compute units is the switch I see so the compute units of the switch it is only two which isn't very good especially compared to the days so I see where you get the forex more powerful but I'm gonna be honest I've used a Ryzen 3400 G 1080p gaming on PC was low settings pushing 30 FPS now that doesn't mean that it's not more powerful it's just PC has a lot more overhead so yeah I don't think they're using a super they're not using like a really powerful so for someone to tell me that it takes a thousand I'm sorry I could build a way better computer for a thousand bucks than the specs of this thing it's using essentially a Ryzen 3400 G and it has 16 gigs of RAM yeah it's LPDDR5 RAM which is a newer you know it's not like just standard DDR4 but still that's almost more expensive than the actual combo APU and then you have your em em cc obviously the base 64 gigs and it goes up from there MVMEs yeah you know it may maybe a 400 bucks this thing is profitable you know maybe maybe this thing is more powerful so when someone says like it's the same like I saw someone you know that I read the chat someone saying that it's the same processor that's in the PlayStation 5 how do you know that just because just because it's the same you know a thread count the same Zen 2 it doesn't make it the same processor there's different lines to those processors and even then being the same process it's not I want to be clear here the CPUs inside the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 are dog shit I just want to be clear with you guys they blow the shit out of PlayStation 4 they blow the shit out of switch that doesn't make them good I'm a PC gaming enthusiast the processors inside those systems are shit what makes them so great at $500 is the GPUs the GPU tariff flop output is significantly greater than what you're going to be able to pull off at $500 along with a motherboard RAM storage in a CPU the $500 prospect of a PlayStation 5 or 400 for the old digital and the 500 for the series X is it's the GPU output that really makes it untouchable the CPU outputs garbage it's fine for console it's fine in general for most people but I do my 2700x shits all over it and that things like three gens old at this point so like you know it's not a stupidly powerful CPU we need to put it in perspective this is a portable PC it's using integrated graphics on a low-end Ryzen processor on the Zen 2 architecture they're using a hundred maybe a hundred and fifty dollar APU chip with a custom MOBO that probably costs less than a hundred bucks to make with the RAM that's probably a hundred bucks because they're using DDR5 or LP DDR5 gotta be clear there is a difference with eight compute units and starting with a baseline of 64 gigs of EM you know 400 bucks they're probably making a profit now that I'm taking a deeper look at the specs it's not that impressive as a PC gamer it just sounds impressive because it blows the shit out of what the switch is it sounds impressive because compared to this it's amazing but man I feel like I can get a laptop with a 3400 G in it right now for pretty cheap let me see here laptop let's see here yeah yeah I'm seeing laptops right here granted it's 16 gigs of DDR4 but it rocks a 3400 G integrated graphics 450 bucks people are massively overstating what this is this is a low-end gaming computer and it gets away with being a low-end gaming computer because they only really output at 720p yeah the screen technically goes up to 800p which is an odd resolution highly likely the games are gonna be pushed at 720p up res maybe a little bit so yeah it's on Zen 2 it's on a it's on a new architecture and that's great but it's still a stupidly cheap portable it's basically a low end gaming laptop in your hand which is cool by the way it's a bad ass but I mean this isn't some stupidly impressive thing valve is valves not doing anything impressive no now that I've actually looked at this is this is not impressive what this is is it makes Nintendo look like greedy bastards that's all it does it makes the switch look bad but I mean it's not even it ain't touching anybody's gaming PC at this point unless you have a really shitty gaming laptop um I know it's not about taking my laptop on okay guys guys guys guys I'm not guys I am not slandering the steam I want to be clear I'm not slandering the steam deck okay for all the reasons switches cool so is this take this in the bathroom take this on the walk with your dog take it on a plane easily without having to take up your whole tray because you can hold it and you have your food on your tray or snack or drink whatever stupidly convenient portable slapping in your bag you know usable with all USB-C dongles so you don't even have to buy the dock yada yada yada you can use your library that already exists on steam it's gonna have an intuitive interface with Steam OS packed right in you be you can take advantage of steam sales all that jazz I get it expandable memory micro SD slot just like on the switch and yeah games are gonna look better on switch if you play your Witcher 3 on that it's gonna look better at 720p than Witcher 3 looks on this running at like 240p well it doesn't go on 240p in the lowest it went down to those 360p but anyways point is it's gonna look better than that at higher frame rates I get it I just don't think it's what some people have touted it I have seen and this is weird I'm now starting to debate because before when I when I saw all this last week people just piling on Nintendo look at this thing switches a piece of shit PC master race this is what the PC master races touting there's a reason this thing's $400 it's not really that good of a gaming machine for in comparison to PC games what this is is PC gaming made accessible to the masses but it kind of does it by going against what makes PC gaming great on this steam deck now that I know essentially what it's running though the roughly equivalent to a 3400g you're not going to be able to really mess with the graphic settings you're gonna lose a lot of the advantages that PC has I mean you already can't run it more than 60 FPS because the screen is limited to that yeah it's basically just a PC switch that makes sense you want to call us like a poor man's portable gaming console right that's what some people think it is oh it's a poor man's portable gaming console hey what's a poor man's portable gaming PC if you can even call it that most people wouldn't even consider a 3400g 450 dollar laptop to be a gaming laptop so it's definitely a poor man's portable gaming PC does it have an audience I'm sure it's definitely not me I love my 144 Hertz panel I love running my games on medium to high settings some some very high some ultra 4k 60 1500 dollar laptop RTX 2060 thing doesn't even touch it RTX 2060 oh my god that's a 2060 that's last gen like I I'm less impressed but now it makes more sense to me so yeah it kicks the shit out of this but I think there's a key thing we need to think about with this and I think this is going to become apparent after it comes out I'm not so sure based on my experience with a 3400g the games are going to look significantly better than they do on here what do I mean PC games are not going to be made specifically for stream deck right no one's going to come out and be like man that new call a duty game we're going to make that specifically for stream deck no they're going to make it for PC and so you can be running on the lowest of low settings looking super bad with bad frame rates on the steam deck it'll run you'll be able to play it or it ain't gonna look good whereas when you make things for switch you have to customize it specifically for this hardware to make it run you don't have to do that for the steam deck it's just going to run the lowest of low settings hmm it's not a gaming console because games aren't going to be made specifically for it it could have impressive visuals if games were made specifically for it but that's not what's going to happen it's a PC just like games aren't made specifically for gaming laptops we are our first super chat of the night baby thank you the 8th arc for the $5 Australian all right crack a beer tonight shall we crack a lacking what do you think about the games that need keyboard and mouse I feel like they're having I feel like just having all games work will not work as they are developed for PC so the ones that require keyboard and mouse they have they have the little touch pads on there that's clearly their way of like replicating a mouse which is fine that can work and that obviously gives them like you guys remember the old steam controller with that with the concave the concave think that's what's called concave represses in like the little touch thing it's kind of it's kind of replacing that kind of thing I would say they showed you know it hooked up to like a monitor where people are using a mouse and keyboard I think that's kind of the thing it's a limited thing like what you could do with it portably you're not gonna be able to use mouse and keyboard portably you're gonna have to dock it or use a dongle for that so yeah thank you so much for the five bucks so cheers man good old beer okay so where through where three crazy so you're saying you're literally wrong comparing this to a 3400 G what are you talking about well 3400 G well not Zen 2 yes obviously Zen 2 is a newer architecture it's it here's what here's what the 3400 G does 3400 G has four cores a thread it runs at 2.6 to 4.2 gigahertz actually runs at higher clock speeds than that than the the four core a threads that are in the stream deck and it has eight compute units and it's GPU that's an APU how many compute units are in a stream deck what what kind of GPU do you think is in this thing did you seriously think it wasn't integrated graphics I'm asking you sincerely did you think it wasn't integrated graphics and if you think it's the top end of AMD's integrated graphics then why is it only eight compute units I'm a PC enthusiast you tell me okay so where three crazy so where three crazy again you're missing my point it's not about okay when you are DNA one already named to it's not about that do you not understand fine fine fine don't call it a 3400 G don't call it a 3400 G call it a 5400 G doesn't matter it's still a cheap-ass APU it's a cheap-ass APU it's still eight compute units oh my gosh you guys it's frustrating when you have people come in I don't understand the fundamentals of PC hardware and then try to argue just because it's a newer architecture two times improvement yeah the the way it's improved doesn't actually help in most games because it's still guess oh it's so frustrating anyways I don't I don't need a debate with people who don't know what they're talking about here we go Brian see like your Brian see for the 499 how do you feel if I were to a top 10 top games on steam are not compatible with steam OS so as of now out of the box it can't play half of the top games depends on what the what are what are the top games what are the top games I don't know off the top of my head because I haven't I don't really care with the top games alright I just know what I play so what are the top games I would presume some of the top games are going to be like I don't know is League of Legends on steam I don't even know if that's on steam what what what are the top 10 games on steam anyone want to tell me cuz I just I just don't know or link me to it cheers by the way Nate I've listened to the digital foundry analysis on the steam but yes actually I did I feel like they are the true experts curious what they have to say I have heard some of their initial impressions and I talked to one of our one of their people behind the scenes about it a bit just just in some DMs just getting some thoughts because they went hands-on with it and they basically said it's just a low-end gaming laptop on the go and they were impressed with it just because hey it runs everything better than they expected and it runs it better than they expected as they speculated to me because it's running at such a low resolution because a lot of times when you're running on these gaming laptops with these low-end AP use it doesn't necessarily work very well because you're running on 10 new DP screens or you have a lot of that overhead of windows and stuff like that whereas this is steam OS doesn't have a lot of that overhead and then yeah you're able to actually run games fairly well at 720p and someone I mentioned earlier if you've actually ran a 3400 g at 720p it runs most games fine now this is obviously newer architecture than a 3400 g but it's basically just the equivalent of what a 3400 g was at the time which would be like a 54 energy I'm not sure if it's exactly a 5400 g because I'm not sure if that's exactly what they're calling that one I'd have to double check the the the new gen Zen 2 CPU stack to see if it's a 5400 it's 5300 I'd have to I'd have to go through the numbers and do some crunchy but reality is we're not really gonna know officially until they either tell us outright what APU it is or until we get it open it up someone looks at the actual chip and you'll be like oh yeah this is a this is a 5300 52 54 whatever you know whatever g you know 8 APU it's using but it is just 8 8 compute units which is not that impressive I don't I don't know why like I see where through crazy in the chat just kind of like oh yeah the Xbox Series s this that I'm like that's fine I'm not here to argue about that that's not what this is it's anyways it's not a portable Xbox Series X or Xbox Series s I should say if that if that's what you're trying to argue worth or crazy that's not what this is it's using a worse APU than that same architecture by the way I'm telling you guys this is not an impressive this is a hundred dollar APU I'm not even joking with you guys it's a hundred bucks this is not like a joke this is not an exaggeration I'm a PC gamer and I'm telling you right now it ain't much you build a thousand dollar computer or buy a thousand dollar gaming laptop and it's gonna blow the shit out of the other stream deck that but that's more steam deck sorry stream deck steam deck but that's besides the way it doesn't we shouldn't be sitting here debating over the specs of this thing what I'm trying to just explain is as a PC gamer it's not an impressive system as a switch owner it is and that's the comparison right you shouldn't compare steam deck to a PC even though it is one because the form factor of what it's trying to do the price point it clearly isn't going to be what PC enthusiasts are used to it just being at eight you know an 800p panel with 68 you know for Hertz limits already screams non PC enthusiasts this system isn't meant for people like me it's not meant for PC enthusiasts a PC enthusiast is gonna look at this and go this is neat but look how much I'm giving up compared to my already existing gaming PC setup outside of certain situations probably rather bring your gaming laptop with and just play with that as a PC gamer enthusiast but I don't think we're the crowd for this I think the crowd they're going after anyone who bought this and this is their primary gaming platform can they convert switch owners to this because comparative to this nice jump it's I might even call it a switch pro it would be a switch to it's a very nice jump from this so yeah I think that's what the target audience is I don't think their target audience is me isn't target audience isn't currently existing PC gamers even though there will be some that want it because it's got you know cross-aids and all the stuff and you can just obviously you know in certain situations where you want to play your PC game portably it's an option I get it there is going to be of some you know there's going to be PC gamers to buy it but for in general I don't think that's where its big market is the big market is they're trying to get into mass market Nintendo territory because it's going to look extremely impressive next to switch in some aspects now again I thought about how games won't necessarily look great on it like a big thing when wear three crazy brings up in the Xbox series s just as an example right about all look how much more powerful it is compared to the same hardware with the same specs from a generation or two ago that's all that's great but games are also made specifically for that spec set games aren't going to be made specifically for stream deck this is the thing we need to keep in mind about this entire piece of hardware the reason things look so good on Xbox series s is not just because of its capabilities they look so good on Xbox series as a 1080p because they're made for that hardware I don't think at least at this time unless something changes that PC games are going to suddenly be made specifically for the hardware inside a steam deck they're going to be made for just general PC use which is going to lead to low settings on the steam deck that's not necessarily a bad thing low settings on PC can still look really good but that's that that's what I'm kind of saying here it's not about what it's capable of it's that it games won't be optimized for that because it's on the lowest end of the current generation stack does that make sense when it comes to APU gaming it's on the lowest end of the current generation stack which is yeah better than last generation but that's not doesn't matter Xbox series that's going to get away with it because it's a set in stone console that is having games specifically tailored to what's inside of it anyways that's just me moving on to just checking out what some people are saying Stephen Hart thank you Stephen Hart for the $5 I knew this was going to happen to you because whenever you whenever you have like a versus thing and that like should Nintendo worry about valve seem like I knew there's gonna be people in the chat just you know not not necessarily fighting but just I don't know bickering a bit see where dying light is going to the switch let me see what Stephen Hart has said here I'm a PC enthusiast I never want to play skyrim a switch because it because it wasn't cross save couldn't continue my save when I got back home to PC yes you can oh wait oh skyrim you can't sorry I was thinking of what you're three sorry which are three which are three you could because because that that was crossing sorry I was confused I was thinking of the wrong game see a Skyrim yeah I don't think Skyrim was ever cross-save is it I don't think they ever added a cross-save update either let me see Skyrim is Skyrim has been the whole time so actually you're on I just looked it up literally it's literally on their official website so Skyrim is cross-save compatible Skyrim is cross-save compatible with PC so there you go the thing you want is what you do it actually does do but I mean it's gonna you know probably look better on steam deck I assume he sure does have beer in his foam what are we talking about how's it going honey by the way are you doing I don't have any foam what are we talking about you said he does have beer in his foam what foam there's no foam here I'm so confused you talk about this stuff back here there's no beer in that I've never spilled anything on it oh no that's called a lot of head honey a lot of head they're still head in it they're still head in it it's called head yeah I get better looking when I'm drunk no why does it say on there why does it say on their official website that it is I don't really know I don't have Skyrim I don't have I don't have Skyrim so I'm just reading this on their website never mind so in the forum on their site where it says that they're talking about hacking your switch so never mind yeah that's that's for hacks which is they can transfer obviously so there you go yeah I guess Skyrim you can't which are three I know you can because I have which are three on my switch and I'm easy bedtime for me hope everyone it's awesome night Shrid vodka no not straight back all you mm-hmm mm-hmm three shots a rum in a daiquiri for you my dear but I mean if you're doing straight shots you're not you're doing vodka um so I'm just reading chat right now think the switch OLED could have better cooling so there's been some some thoughts about the cooling on switch OLED and we're gonna have to wait till it comes out to know because some people noted on the switch OLED that one they changed the intakes on the platform because of the kickstand I think they moved them to the bottom which is totally fine that's probably also why there's a redesigned dock because you know you got a room for the intakes on the bottom also they saw on the top it had a completely different grill oh well they the OG switch grill goes maybe have a switch you know it looks like the grill is a little wider with more grill holes so it's possible that they improve the cooling maybe they just oh maybe the vents are just bigger and that's it they didn't actually you know put a different fan in or something so it's possible the cooling might be a little bit better I don't know to what end or to what purpose other than longevity of the system it could just be a natural part of the redesign process because maybe they're setting up that chassis for different hardware down the line so they're just gonna reuse the same chassis but then you know swap out parts that's obviously something that could be done or maybe they just needed extra cooling because of the 64 gigs versus 32 I doubt it shouldn't need cooling at 64 but you never know so yeah it's possible the cooling is a little bit beefed up I you know what we'll know when we get it and tear it down maybe it looks exactly the same as the inside is a of the current switch does I have no idea wearing a robe is comfy seemed like too heavy I have no idea I based on the weight measurements it doesn't sound super heavy to me but red kite nope not yet man soon you don't go for comfort you go for style so I didn't wear this for comfort by the way it's actually uncomfortable because it's not cold in my office sometimes it is chilly in the basement but this light these lights in my office up here are like garage lights but there I use them on purpose in here because of the right brightness they are I don't even have my studio light on right now I'm actually like I'm not sweating but I'm pretty toasty so I'm not wearing this robe for comfort now if I was in my bedroom you know and I don't know why I don't do this more often like because you know I sleep naked don't know if you guys care bow chicka bow wow but I do sleep naked and I should get in a better habit of grabbing my robe when I get up like if I have to go to the kitchen I should just throw on my robe from the bathroom because we do have a little half bathroom connected to our bedroom instead I'm always throwing clothes I don't know why I literally have the robe sitting there why don't I just put it on so that's really the situation I should be wearing my robe but honestly I wore the robe today because I feel like when you're doing stuff like this you know the robe when you're when you're doing a live stream and I've worn this on stream before it kind of like you know makes you look kind of like a little like your boss it's a little bit like a Zelda Hugh Hefner kind of look like a like dude I'm a boss and tender Prime baby it is good to be the king kind of thing right that's what it kind of makes me feel like I'm like a stream like this it's totally just being worn because I think it kind of looks looks a little neat on stream it has nothing to do with me being comfortable in it because I'm actually uncomfortable in it but I am comfortable in it when I'm naked but I'm not getting naked because no easy access when you're naked to there you go all right huh there we go honey why are we not using our robes more often damn it that's what I'm hearing why are we not using our robes more often we better bring these with on our vacation huh I don't even know what happened to yours it's probably downstairs in the giant pile of we can't find anything we're looking for we had a super check him in thank you Timothy price for the two nine and nine he said what what do you think about running triple-a games off an SD card I don't think it'll be a problem it's fast enough SD cards are faster than 5200 rpm see proof I know how to pour a beer 5200 rpm hard drives that you can run basically all PC games off of so it'll be fine we're here's all the time and those are for comfort they're for style dude heels maybe they look good on you take off the robe for your next donation what what what whoa now I'm honey I'm just wear this this purple shirt here it's not like why would I take off my robe are people are people trying to see what's underneath it's just a purple shirt I'm not digging on my shirt Jesus if you're trying to get access honey you're gonna have to come home well turn off the stream I mean we can roll a camera but it just won't be live check out Nintendo Prime only fans next week Vegas edition your shirts maroon not purple it is maroon you're not wrong looks like a red shirt well a lot of it's like the lighting to the lighting in here is like different I hate the rules not sitting on me right right now so looks like it doesn't fit but it doesn't fit nobody listened to this guy well PC is no idea what he's talking about yeah it's cool I like when people act like I don't know what I'm talking about as if I didn't work at a company that made PC parts as if I didn't also work at a PC repair company as if I also spend the majority of my time in a former life working on PCs and building PCs and troubleshooting PCs and so much PC shit literally making PC components I worked at a company that made PC components like my experience with PC stuff I'm not sitting here saying that I'm the foremost expert on things but I have done so many benchmarking in my life on PC components it's insane it's just insane why do you think I was so stupidly confident to drink and take apart the Xbox Series X and liquid metal cool it because I know what the fuck I'm doing and doing this a long time that being said that being said it's completely different than knowing exactly what's under the hood of a yet to be released device we have very limited information about that device information we have about that device suggest that it's a low-end APU from the Ryzen Zen 2 stack equivalent to the new generation 3400G not exactly a 3400G that is old gen but a new gen 3400G so a 5400G in other words that's what it suggests is that considered impressive not compared to pretty much most gaming computers in existence no and that's my point my point isn't to sit here and debate about oh my god RDA 2 is so much better than RDA 1 this is so much better than that blah blah blah blah blah this thing's a beast one talking about the Aeonio Geo whatever the fuck what is that that that Aeonio that someone brought up that is being sold for let's see how much are they selling this thing for what is that conversion rate where's the where's the cheapest one they got this one what is that converted sorry it's got a weird currency let me see what that cost is let me convert the cost of that $700 right cheapest one 700 so yeah you know it's using a newer architecture in terms of just everything right because it's a 4500U with a integrated AMD yeah it's gonna be probably more powerful than that I would say but that doesn't mean that the parts in it are more powerful like what I what I mean to say is not that the parts are more powerful it's the price okay this thing's overpriced the Aeonio is overpriced it's completely overpriced like buy a shitload overpriced it's nowhere near worth what they're charging for it FYI nowhere near worth it plus I've seen some preliminary reviews of the thing and it really wasn't that impressive that's besides point this thing you know it might be more powerful than that we have to see we're making a lot of assumptions on things we don't know from what I have seen of the footage because there was some hands-on and I've seen all the opinions of the of the system I have seen a lot of footage now hours of footage examining the games looking at some of the games they showed versus the games I have on my local PC which isn't a fair comparison because I'm running the 2700X and the 5700XT and while neither of those are RDNA2 and RDNA2 is significantly better than what I'm running in my system what's running in this is not better than my system overall I can run it way higher frame rates way higher settings in games then this thing can even do it only has 60 Hertz limit in the first place so it's already like not even worth comparing in that traditional sense again it's not really meant to be compared to traditional gaming PCs in the first place but just comparing what I saw there versus what I can do on my PC it just it made it look like I said earlier the Nintendo Switch of gaming PCs I don't think that's a problem is it is it a problem to be called the Nintendo Switch of gaming PCs this thing is about to sell a hundred million units so if the Nintendo Switch is you know the portable gaming console right and this is the portable the de facto portable gaming piece right can we call it the de facto one forget the I a neo forget the other like you know many of these exist by the way there's like dozens and dozens of these campaigns on the internet for these portable computers none of which are super super hyper successful and really selling that well I mean this one you know I had you had a solid decent amount of units but even then it's a miniscule amount compared to something like switch right so we're not talking about anything that's coming you know coming close to mass market I think we can call this the first real chance that this portable PC in a hand a handheld portable PC has a real shot at a more consumer friendly price from a reputable company to actually be able to potentially hit that mass market so when I'm when I'm saying here is not that it's not impressive it's just it is what it is it is the Nintendo switch of gaming PC's and that's okay that's a good thing yeah super chat coming in here I see did I miss one too no I got I got no I did miss one thank you Timothy Bryce with a 299 has the steam back put pressure on Nintendo that's what we have yet that's what I don't know I feel like it hasn't hasn't now what do I mean by it hasn't hasn't what I mean by it hasn't it hasn't is it's put pressure in that that price point is really good for that performance it really is now unfortunately right now at that given price point there isn't an actual Nvidia option that's viable at the moment that we're aware of but there is stuff in the works Nvidia has made progress in the mobile AP you market absolutely just bought a RM as well so they're working on their own stuff at the moment that's likely as competitive as what we're getting here because there are obviously there are mobile ones but there are they're more like you know cutback versions of the desktop GPUs rather than mobile specific so let the wait and see what Nvidia's answer is but at the moment it does put pressure because of the price but the only real pressure is going to be there if it sells well and switch sales start to go like this well the sales of this start to go like that right if they if that's what's happening then yeah Nintendo's gonna respond Nintendo's not gonna lose the handheld market now I want to also be clear here if these two systems which are the closest things which has to a direct competitor I think we can agree on that front this is the closest there is to an actual direct competitor to switch this is like coming right into the switches playground the closest thing we have seen today that's actually gonna be price somewhat price competitive from a reputable company one competition's good but two if you look at the history of these sorts of competitions the more expensive system that's better spec and does the business typically doesn't perform well in the marketplace game gear crushed Nintendo's handheld offerings at the time what lasted Nintendo's offerings not Sega PSP crushed the capabilities of the DS DS doubled it in sales PSP sold well well enough to release the Vita the Vita crushed the 3ds Vita got discontinued after like five years 3ds had seven eight nine ten eleven year run before it got discontinued and sold seventy five million units like every time Nintendo has had competition in the handheld market it hasn't really mattered Nintendo's always come out on top and I'm not saying that Steam Deck's gonna ever outsell the total sales of this I think that's a little disingenuous to say because this has you know four-year head start wasn't any competition for four years so it's not gonna outsell it but can it make a dent see it didn't feel like PSP made a dent because DS was Nintendo's best-selling system of all time so it never felt like anything actually made a dent in Nintendo's handheld marketplace will this history says no but just because your body saying no we had another superjack come in thank you Sevilla for the $10 it's why if you notice that's why I got your $10 shot poured up says you can pause your games and then come back later you got to admit for PC games that's pretty awesome I mean you can just alt tab your games which is akin to pause it and come back later I've been doing that for decades but I understand that's it's more a PC feature than it is necessary it's not like real pausing you can also stream a game pass to the to the steam deck yeah you can see I mentioned earlier it's a really good Microsoft platform as well but it's not like so you could stream game a game pass to it right or when you talk about streaming game pass itself isn't streaming you still download install play the games natively what you will you actually don't if you're talking about streaming it's not game pass necessarily it's x cloud which you can also stream to this and to here and to there and to everything that's not a switch or PlayStation so it's cool but you can also do that on anything you know but it is neat playing game pass games locally on this because Xbox does not offer a way to play games portably natively and it does offer that and that's really cool I like that let me get these shots in quick thank you by the way and it's cool by the way I'm not here to throw shade I think there's a misconception at the moment I'm not throwing shade steam deck it's cool it's gonna have a market I am not interested because I don't care about playing my PC games with a controller the PC games I played to me are better played on my laptop or on my computer but I also console game I think if I was a PC exclusive gamer okay this thing this thing's got some appeal to me or if I was someone who played the Skyrims the the Witcher threes you know stuff like that I won't even say college you college these way better with mouse and keyboard but like anything that's better played with a gamepad than mouse and keyboard but a lot of action adventures some horror games etc are just better that way RPGs a lot of those are just better that way and in my humble opinion anyways I think it simplifies controls absolutely so do it mouse and keyboard it's just simpler you know you can argue flight simulators as an example better with a flight stick stuff like that which I used to have a flight stick I don't know what happened to it so a lot of that stuff's cool I enjoy that stuff and if I played a lot of those games on PC yeah this would make even more sense right but I don't like the only one I own right now that I would prefer a controller for on PC is Witcher 3 I'm done with that game though so there's not really I don't really care even if I had a steam back I still wouldn't play it on the go so I don't know I mean maybe this is what gets me back into controller based games on PC it's like I've done it before it's just I've been console gaming for so long that I just when I think when I think oh I'm gonna play a controller based game I just think go playing on a console right it's like I have it but that doesn't mean I don't PC game it's just I PC game with mouse and keyboard games flight stick games you know you can argue racing games are better on PC because we get the full racing wheels stuff which I don't have anymore but I used to have but yes I know they sell that stuff by the way I know there's racing wheels and accessories for Xboxes and all I know okay yes you can get it you can play Forza on your Xbox Series X with racing wheels and gas pedals I know okay I know those setups exist I'm not stupid I'm aware it's just more common and easier to get on PC because there's a lot more options be another super chat oh it a donation let me let me go read that donation quick I gotta I gotta log into Streamlabs for that so again I'm not knocking this thing I know it feels like I am but I'm not I'm not really knocking it as I said it's the Nintendo switcher gaming PCs and there's nothing wrong with that that's absolutely fine let me get this up here oh yeah thank you unreal Christian for the five dollars so that's my point the deck will allow me to play some triple A games portably for example Street Fighter Champion currently available on Steam also I can also finally play it on the go instead of waiting for the switch version which might not have it hey and that's fine here's the thing I don't know how many people I mean I know my long time viewers know this but I don't know how many people who haven't been following me this long know this I don't care what you game on or what your preferences are you could tell me that you're going to you're gonna wait for some Street Fighter version and play it on your phone and I'm not gonna judge you for that you could tell me that you like Fortnite better on your phone I'm gonna judge it for that you could say that your favorite games Candy Crush I'm not gonna judge you for that you could say that you prefer PlayStation games you prefer playing with a DualSense controller you prefer this you prefer that you prefer VR you know motion gaming Oculus Quest 2 or whatever the heck you know like I don't really care what you what you prefer to do as a gamer bottom line is we're all different we all have different preferences we all have different desires and absolutely stream deck is blowing some people's minds right now and that's who the stream deck is for the exact people that are super impressed by this and see all these use cases for themselves like you like you're seeing for yourself that's exactly who this is for the steam deck sorry that's his stream deck again God see I can't look at this we use this for our live streams it says right here stream deck so I see the word stream deck like every single day so it's really hard steam deck stream deck why do they have to call it steam deck why couldn't it be like steam portable maybe they want to go from the portable name I don't know anyways the steam deck I get it all you guys that are excited about it be excited that's great seriously be hype I'm glad that it's for you I'm a PC gamer and it's not for me but that's okay that it's not for me I don't think there's a single device in existence that's for everyone switch is definitely not for everyone steam decks not for everyone gaming PCs are not for everyone gaming laptops VR is not for everyone Xbox isn't for everyone PlayStation not for everyone gaming on phones definitely not for everyone so like there's not a single platform that really is for everyone you can argue the ratings of games that doesn't matter bottom line is we all have our preferences on games the way we like to play the brands that we trust you know the performance that we're looking for blah blah blah performance we don't care about some we don't even care about performance bottom line is we all have our preferences in gaming and I really don't care what yours are I'm happy for you I'm legitimately happy for you and real Christian and everyone else that's really excited for this and wants to get it and use it and has a long-term use case for it that's awesome seriously that's really great news I just happen to not be one of those people maybe it could convert me if I owned one maybe maybe I'd find myself using it more than I think I would maybe because I mean obviously I'm okay with the idea of a portable gaming and and all that I do I do use a switch I do have games on PC I have a pretty big I have a bigger library of PC games and switch that's for sure so you know maybe I would end up you know using it a lot but at the moment I don't feel like this strong desire to get something when when I when I when I maybe this is just my master racing coming up the other PC gaming I enjoy my hundred plus frames right I enjoy my you know when I'm gaming on my laptop where I don't have that option I kind of enjoy get crisp 4k 60 I get on here but then when I hop on over to my other computer I enjoy the 1080p but 144 Hertz you know 120 plus FPS I'm getting in my games on ultra settings like I'm enjoying that I don't really want to give that up I could just like for me personally as cool as it would be to be like play World of Warcraft on the go or play you know you know anything else on the go and 1880 which I've been playing a lot lately like you know when age of my parents four drops playing that like as cool as that would be to play on the go honestly I'm a multi-platform gamer so like when I go on the go I'm just gonna grab my switch and start playing some Skyward Sword HD some Breath of the Wild 2's some Splatoon 3's some Sparks of Hope some Super Smash Bros like I am already satisfied I guess in my portable gaming right when I go on the go gaming I don't think about playing PC games and maybe that's the the wrong mental mindset to have but because I game on so many different devices I just have devices for my different desires and use cases already I have my PC from when I want all that greatness I have the Xbox Series X for the ease of game pass and not having to wait for PC versions of games and all that PlayStation 5 for the Sony games that I want to play I got my switch from when I want to play games on the go and get that Nintendo goodness in like I have you know my phone I do game I thought I was just gaming on my phone a little bit today like I have all these use cases that I already have devices for and trying to find out where the Steam Deck fits into my use case it kind of overlaps with other use cases and that's where it's like something's going to be left behind because of that and I feel like well this has the exclusive Nintendo game so that would probably get left behind I'm not bringing the Steam Deck and the switch with me I might bring my laptop with because I have other uses for it beyond gaming and then I can game on my laptop and then game on my switch you know it's a for me personally it's just is it is it fair to say I have too many gaming platforms maybe that's the problem Jeff Wookiee so I hope it does well so in a 10-Rose direct competition I would lead a better pricing and quality hardware I don't know about that and I'm gonna say I don't know about that because I brought up all this all the systems that came up before game gear PSP Vita all these systems that were and there's other ones as well there were more powerful systems that were also a bit pricier while Nintendo just did whatever the hell they wanted to do sold what they sold at a slightly cheaper price but it was way worse hardware and laugh their way to the bank so would Steam Deck doing well actually make Nintendo change anything not as long as this continues to sell switch oh like continues to sell if it if Steam Deck is successful but switch also sells 20 plus million next year why would Nintendo care I'm just being honest why would Nintendo care oh cool Steam Deck's doing well and so a switch so why would Nintendo care that's kind of what's happened in the past Nintendo didn't care about PSP it was a little their device a little bit cheaper than PSP and yeah significantly less powerful crushed it 3DS significantly less powerful than a PS Vita doesn't matter crushed it like you know game gear way more powerful than the Gameboy Gameboy Advance the time no matter crushed it like you know Nintendo is never actually worried about handheld competition because Nintendo's always dominated them with like without going for power so like if you're hoping that this is gonna make Nintendo put better specs in their system history tells you that ain't gonna happen so I that doesn't mean that I don't want it to be successful more options for gaming is always good I have nothing this platform right here which I admit looks really nice is good this is a good thing even if it doesn't push Nintendo this is a good thing why it's an option in the marketplace that needs this there are portable PCs in the marketplace they do exist they're just expensive this is affordable for a lot of mainstream consumers at the cheapest model at 400 that's exciting that's good that's disrupting certain parts of the marketplace that's adding a form of gaming that currently isn't as popular as maybe it could be because there hasn't been a mass consumer affordable version that's what this is that's good this is a good thing even if it doesn't impact Nintendo it's a good thing more options in gaming are always better always just like you shouldn't want Nintendo Microsoft and Sony to buy up all the game dev studios in the world because that creates less less parody in the industry there are some good things from it but it also creates less industry you know less variety in the industry bottom line is this is a good thing every yeah that's enough not jacob 53 does mention you know I'm not gonna read your whole comment but the you mentioned the one part at the end that that that is also something that we need to be aware of valve has yet to launch any sort of hardware that's been successful remember the steam controller bombed you remember what was it called was their gaming console called they had a gaming gaming console what they call it the steam console that was called I forget what it's called they had a gaming console that just bombed hardcore they also had the steam link which the steam links cool for those who don't know what it is I think of like if you think of like Roku and Google and all that what the steam link is is like a way to wirelessly play your PC on your TV so like you could have your gaming PC and have your whole gaming setup over here you can be a 4k monitors all the crap do all that cool stuff but then say screw it I want to go to the living room and I want to play Witcher 3 on my TV from my PC you could get a steam link and what that's going to do is it's going to hook up to your PC wirelessly and give you steam big picture mode on your TV that you can use with your controller and then play Witcher 3 streamed from your PC to your TV pretty seamlessly it's actually a really nice product steam link though is not popular it's a product that exists for a unique use case but I wouldn't call it popular if you go in people's homes like that PC game on their TV most of the time they just have their PC directly hooked up to their TV they're not using something like steam link but it is an option but yeah they had they did have steam machine was that it it was called a steam machine yeah and that thing just that thing just tanked so valve does not have a very good history of releasing successful products steam machine yeah so the steam box was it was a steam box or steam machine one of the two either way it bomb so that is something that is valve has failed at every harbor attempt they've made but this one's interesting I think most people can see this and see the appeal of it versus some of what they were doing before like their their console was basically a stripped down PC with steam OS okay like what's the market for that really a stripped down PC with steam OS what's the market for really what's the market for a new controller that gets rid of joysticks and replaces them with these you know these concave like touchpad things like what's the market for that really it just feels weird right and it just was a bad idea bad design whereas this you can kind of see why this could make it but will it again now there's never a very good history of hardware launches and being successful this is sold out so that's good for them but I'm not sure how many units they even have planned for launch it doesn't sound like they had that many planned I'm sure that they were pretty tepid about this hardware considering prior hardware failure they probably weren't planning to have four million of these ready to go and launch so let's see what happens valve split with our business and how's the valve index VR yeah I don't know much I'm not a I'm not big into the VR space so a lot of my opinions on whether a certain VR products are popular is how many times I see commercials of them I see commercials for Oculus Quest 2 all the time well like I have no idea what's actually successful in the marketplace steam box yeah so it did not do well what's a good game that's going to steam like every PC game in existence I shouldn't say that that's not actually true every PC game isn't on steam a lot of them are now Chris Gonzalez do you mean like what's a good exclusive game really a PC gaming works so now there are games exclusive to PC but they won't be exclusive to steam unless valve makes it pretty rare to have steam exclusive game I mean there's probably some indie games that'll like first launch on steam now you're all right Chris Gonzalez like PC gaming is less about exclusives it's more about options now there are exclusive PC games as I said some very very damn good ones but it's more options running games better better frame rates better this better that over consoles cheaper games because games dropping prices quicker on PC but there you steam is more like a digital storefront think of it like that steam OS it wasn't that good yeah that was another thing too I remember steam OS back on whatever the steam machine or the steam box got really panned because it wasn't very good but obviously I think it's probably gotten a lot better since then but that's right time means everything like is this the right time for this I think this is a great product but is this the right time I don't know I honestly have no idea is it the right time maybe it is I mean it was the right time for switch four years ago is the right time for this yeah yeah very well especially since switches sort of like shown oh yeah people do want portable gaming oh yeah like look at these other you know attempts from other companies to make it this is affordable so right time right place good functionality obviously hardware that doesn't break if we start getting you know this thing comes out the gate and all of a sudden there's such to be some issues you know that that that's gonna you know be a killer to it because you don't want to come out the gate but then again you know we had joy con drift we had warp in switches we had all that off the gate and switch still pushed through so we'll see right time right places is everything for a lot of these ideas like switch a portable gaming console that you can dock that's not a new idea right time right place is this the right time right place I think so but we'll wait we'll have to see we'll have to see all I'm saying the deck plays re7 switch does not okay technically not true if you live in Japan you can stream resident evil seven on switch I know not the same thing I was just say technically you can you can load Android technically you can load Android on switch run Google stadium play a whole bunch of games technically well Shawn workman has an example did you know the Vita could do it case you weren't aware Shawn workman the Vita could dock with your TV I'm not sure how many people were aware of that the PlayStation Vita could dock with your TV right time right place right form factor right convenience sure with a cable to dock with your TV but right place right form factor right ease of use etc etc etc obviously easier to sell the concept of just set this in something and it works on your TV versus grab that cable and plug it in and people are used to doing that by the way your phone pretty much every phone can dock with it pretty much any TV don't know if you knew that you can do a wirelessly or with a cable I guess not a new concept it's right place right time right form factor etc etc like a lot of all these things could dock it's just wasn't the right time wasn't the right way to do it etc etc etc might be easier to get in the video card you know what they say about video cards today that if you want one what you should do is go by like a $2,000 prebuilt computer get your 3080 in it and just resell the parts you'll be able to potentially on the resale market depending on what parts are selling you get back more than what you would have spent on MSRP for the system so say you get your 3080 and you end up selling the all the PC components in it for $1,500 you spent two grand you just save money on a 3080 so a lot of you are saying that's how you get it that's how you get it call me out there was a PSP it was it was what it was one of the the Sony systems pretty sure Vita had the ability as well by the way I know there was obviously that the TV version am I talking about that oh that's a that's a mod I don't care what people modding it okay so so people did make a mod to do it but I guess it wasn't native so PSP was the one that could do that I guess either way I knew it was one of the two one of the PlayStation portables could do it but someone someone did someone did create a mod that could do it as well for the Vita but that that's obviously not officially supported so that's not that's a totally different thing yeah Vita had remote play with PlayStation 4 I know PlayStation 3 to S2 I believe for a little while do you feel Nintendo purposely doesn't develop OP systems to give themselves more money in the long bum by releasing so many different renditions I mean they have to have the resources resources are a problem Nintendo's the richest company in Japan just a fact they go all the major products made in Japan Nintendo's at the top of the list most money in the bank no debt most of the asset value etc they're richest fuck so so that's how you got your 30 80 app I pre-built resell parts you might end up saving money that's like the best way to get to get cards these days because they get that all the pre-built people get priority or card so PSP go ahead of doc yeah so yeah I don't think it has anything to do with like they don't do it so we can have a zillion renditions you can still have a zillion renditions on powerful hardware that's not a problem I think there's a few things that Nintendo looks at one they have a price point when they launch a new system they don't want to go above they really really really don't want to go above 299 at launch they've done it before with platforms didn't go well for them they don't want to go above 299 so then you go cool what's the most best hardware we could squeeze into a 299 package well you could argue at the time that switch came out in 2017 and while it was being developed Tiger X1 was probably close to the best they could fit in that thing for that price point people forget about this because oh it's so old the 2015 chip yeah you mean it came out right in the heart of switch development it was probably the best option for Nintendo at the time for the price point they wanted to hit so like so like when you say you know you know wanted to go for they did for what they were doing they did switch at the time that was like the best they were going to get out of a 299 price point now you could say well sure they could have went better if they went more say $500 price point yeah they could have but Nintendo hasn't seen success selling systems at stupidly exorbitant prices all their successful systems came at 299 and under at launch so Nintendo sees this they go we're gonna sell this thing as a home console we're gonna call it a home console which helps people frame their mind around spending 300 bucks on a system right because we saw the 3ds 250 wasn't gonna work for it it needed it needed to it needed 199 well we're gonna sell this as a home console so we can justify the 299 price point that's fine but at the time for what this was I was probably about the best they could fit under the hood we heard at the time when this thing launched the profit margins were as low as like 10 bucks a system for Nintendo that's minuscule for what Nintendo takes home so the profit margins were razor thin Nintendo put basically the best hardware they could at the time the problem Nintendo ran into and this is something that that that Nintendo's obviously finding out firsthand is Nintendo decided to enter the modern architecture space Tegra X1 well it was way more modern than the power PC the reason but Tegra X1 is basically you know very very close to classic PC x86 etc PC architecture it's it's cross compatible and stuff like that so it's the Nintendo's first foray into using modernized architectures and what they realize and they've obviously realized that by now is that there's a lot of fast movement in this space in the mobile chip space there's really really fast moving parts so you could you could be designing a system right now right now that's using RDNA2 Zen processor stuff portably that's going to be at half the power of a series X right you could be designing a switch system that that that's using that technology right now that sounds stupidly powerful right now that sounds amazing but they're not releasing that right now that product might not come out for three or four years and by the time you release that product everyone's gonna laugh at Nintendo why are you using this old technology but they're selling it for 300 bucks because it's the best technology they could fit in that damn thing for 300 bucks so like for the target price point it's kind of sort of the best they can do and it's gonna look weak in comparison to everything else so it's kind of a you know weird thing now the Wii U somewhere on the Wii U Wii U is a weird situation because obviously that they included the game pad and that took up a stupid amount of the development price and the cost to consumer that game pad and then obviously it being basically on part of the 360 in PlayStation 3 more powerful in some respects but less powerful and others so it kind of just balances out I think that was more so just a misjudgment I think they didn't I think they really didn't think PlayStation 4 and Xbox one we're gonna come out the following year I think they thought oh they're having super long generations look at how successful Sony's being they're gonna be selling systems until at least at least 2014 so they thought they would end up having you know a couple years on the marketplace of console parody where they would start to win third parties back because hey look our console can play your game so why not bring it over and all that jazz and then by the time those other systems came out Nintendo could maybe start you know hey you know yeah those those systems are coming up but look now that we have third parties on board with us and they're still making games for PlayStation 3 they're gonna still make games for us until we're ready to bring out our new hardware so like I think Nintendo thought they had an extra year in there that they didn't and then obviously the branding failure and everything else that went in this even with the extra year still wouldn't have been successful it would have been better timing like yeah I always said you know if the Wii U would have came out in like 2011 instead of 2012 it would have been a higher chance of success I think if the Wii U would have came out in 2010 but it wasn't the Wii U they cut out the game pad but the Wii U was what it was but it was really a Wii HD instead where it could play Wii games natively or you know have HD updates for them and then obviously all future games would come out in HD on that platform and it could have you know a pack in the standard controller plus we won't support I think that would have performed really well in the marketplace and that would have been three years right that would have been a three-year run before Nintendo had to worry about what the competition was doing so that would have been a much better much simpler branding by the way because in 2010 the Wii was still selling decently well but it was on the downturn and you could have come up with the Wii HD would have really boosted sales and would have been like hey you own a Wii this is what you want to get you want to upgrade your games you want but they didn't go that route this is the one time I think Michael Pactor was right Michael Pactor to me was right that we HD is what Nintendo should have done but they didn't they went with Wii U and that was probably not the best choice and the eighth arc I disagree on that so he says the Wii HD means no switch no so fun fact Nintendo switch began development before Wii U even came out Nintendo was experimenting with the hybrid dockable system before Wii U even existed so I disagree switch would have still happened now what a switch happened in 2017 don't know but switch where it still happened I think it's a misnomer to say Wii U led to switch Wii U is more like a happy circumstance that came in between but switch was already in development switch was already in development switch was what they wanted Wii U to be but it wasn't ready yet so they were working on you know what they could do what technology like there's a bunch of the dev docs on it like they date back to before Wii U came out so like Nintendo was always going to get to this point with switch it was always going to happen they were just waiting for the technology to be there to do it and it wasn't really there in 2012 it just wasn't it really wasn't not if you think about the available hardware at the time it just wasn't really ready it really took until the Tegra came out because Nintendo tried AMD hardware it just wasn't working now this is obviously before AMD of today with the Ryzen Zen 2 Zen 1 Zen 2 architecture like obviously you know in hindsight sticking with AMD might have been really really smart but you at the time it felt like a no-brainer when you know Nvidia comes a knock and they get all these extra X ones and they're just way better than the crap you've been using and they'll give them to you for chief like why the hell would you do that deal like it just made so much sense at the time because AMD was a non-factor really for what Nintendo was trying to do so yeah hindsight be in 2020 maybe if they stuck with AMD things that worked out and whatever but they didn't so I think switch happens either way I know what Reggie said don't worry about Reggie said Reggie I love the Reginator he's a spin master extraordinaire he makes everything into a positive or guys we went to got switch if we you didn't happen I've seen I've seen the dev documents I've seen the patents this all was this always be in May before we you came out oh but without we use failure switch one the only thing I could say is that if we you would have blown up and then another hundred million seller which is just insane to even think but let's say it did for argument sake it blew up all that would have happened is Nintendo would have kept making home consoles and switch would have been their replacement for 3ds someday like that's all that happened we you failing made Nintendo solidify that we're not going to release another home console we're just gonna handheld that we're gonna argue is a home console so you can argue that point but we you didn't lead to the creation to switch it was already in development it's a spin master extraordinaire to basically make it sound like Nintendo can do no wrong because if we do have missteps we don't have successes our missteps lead to successes true in some cases Gamecube's failure led to a drastic change of direction with we true in some regards but switch was in development before we you was even considered a failure so yeah the Nvidia shield not the shield TV but the actual shield the clamshell thing really cool by the way but like it just did not take off that's what the X1 was originally made for was for that thing but Nvidia just could not get an audience for it even though it was a really cool idea they clearly were missing out that they just should have attached a controller to the side I mean they should have that mean the idea was right there was right in front of them I mean smartphones existed it was right in front of them put the controller on the side don't clamshell it like it was right there in video they did I bet you and video is kicking themselves for not doing the switch first bet you and video kicks himself every day that they do the switch first spot pass of school well as ready job and he's gonna yeah I'm ready was people forget that Reggie was president of Nintendo of America Reggie's primary job was promotion so his job was to spin everything as a positive and it was damn good at it there'll be even times that like like what was it Jeff Keely would ask him a question and Reggie like looks at him he's like you know what kind of answer I gotta give right like I can't actually give you what you want so he so he spun it and like you could you can see Jeff Keely in his responses like yeah I knew that's what you were gonna say but like you know it's what the fans want to know it's like I asked what the fans want to know but it's like everyone knew that Reggie's just spin and spin and spin and spin and spinner and it isn't gonna give you any real answers on anything because that's his job his job just to make Nintendo look good any day good job at that so he was very good at his job very good at his job now he's got a book coming out about how he rolls from where he was to the top of Nintendo he's got a bookie bookies writing coming out so very interesting if we might get some insights into his time in Nintendo that which I assume we will probably some insights into the Bigfoot pizza as well threat Reginator forever known as the inventor it was his idea for the Bigfoot pizza which has never come back since then so was it a good idea I don't know it was it I mean it was it was a nice marketing campaign it clearly worked at the time or did it because he moved on to a new job were I able to get the Zelda Joy-Cons not for me no not for me I didn't I know there's been a few opportunities have been available but I am saving my money at the moment I got vacation next week so I think I think that's gonna do it then we're gonna wrap it up I'm getting kind of tired I want to go down remember my water with here I'm gonna do water thank you guys for tuning in I hope you enjoyed the conversation I'm not gonna say and pretend that I was 100% right on everything I said that I mean no one he is right we're talking about unreleased hardware but um yeah I think I have a pretty good idea what this is cannot impact Nintendo maybe maybe not I don't know where do I see myself in five years that's a weird question hopefully live in a different house with I mean I'll be a computer programmer like full-time unless YouTube really really takes off alright guys peace out