 I'm with Leon Strauss and Brenda Ainsley from the International Federation for Information Processing. We're speaking on Thursday towards the end of the 2014 WSIS event. We had a lot of ministerial activity today, but really today it's all about the forum at groups like yourselves, international organizations, civil society groups all joining together to have their say on the process. And isn't it an effective process? And I'll put that question to you first of all, Leon Strauss. Yes, thank you Conor. It's definitely an effective process. One of our aims is to bring together all the parties. IFIP has been instrumental in organizing events where governmental people, practitioners, researchers sit together and bring in all the different perspectives and that has proven to be very efficient and successful. And do you have a good relationship with the other sectors, Brenda, the civil society groups and the private sector? We do. And it's the old story. The more often you meet, the more often you form relationships, you then can leverage those relationships, which is the real star performance of the WSIS process is coming together constantly year after year and even more often for some. You do start to appreciate the perspectives of the other participants and you can layer that on your own endeavors as well as influence their endeavors and that's what it's all about. At the end of the day you end up with a common perspective on those things you can have commonality with and you appreciate the differences that you're not able to reach agreement on. Were there any particular workshops or meetings that you really wanted to see this week? Well, clearly we wanted to see the sign off of the document. We've worked so hard to contribute towards and to reach an accommodation, which we did yesterday late in the day. So that was the real reason for being here. But for today I've selected a number of UNESCO based sessions, which is of particular interest to me with ethics and professionalism. And also the education aspects. So I'll be attending shortly the Intel presentation, which is actually starting fairly soon. And I think tomorrow I'm actually appearing in a presentation on education through the ITU Academy, the capacity building line C4. So they're the particular interests that I have from a professionalism perspective. Next year is going to be a very crucial year for this process, which is plus 10. Next year is the plus 10, 2015. There'll be a review of where we go beyond there. And what do you want to see achieved in next year's meeting? For me it's important to have a good view of what has been achieved, a clear view, but more importantly already a plan to continue. Because I'm pretty sure that we haven't achieved everything that we wanted to achieve. So therefore it's very important to have a good plan of action, concrete proposals to continue in the next 10 years. To make sure that even if we haven't managed 2015, we will manage in the next 5 to 10 years to accomplish what we wanted to do. And what do you want to accomplish? To be with regards to IFIP in the next 10 years? With IFIP and the context of the WSIS, the WISIS goals, I would like to see an even increased cooperation between different stakeholders. And our strength is to share knowledge and to offer a platform for the ICT professionals. And I would like to have the whole world engaged in that platform in different activities. We have many activities linked to the action lines of WSIS and that could be strengthened. So I would like to have everybody involved in the next 5 to 10 years. As you said Brenda, the highlight is still the signing of the document yesterday and groups like yourselves have been inputting into that. So everyone was very happy yesterday when it was signed. The documents were about additions to the initial outcome documents in 2005. The world has changed immediately since then when it comes to ICTs. Are organisations such as yours able to keep up with the pace of change? Well we deliver the change. My organisations comprised of ICT professionals in largely the developed world but some in the developing world. So they're the people at the leading edge of delivering on ICTs. We have to stay up, keep up. Otherwise we are not keeping our skills up, we're not being professionals and that's what we're all about. So I think it's a hard job. I mean legislation doesn't keep up with technology. Technology is obsolescent almost as it's delivered in the packaging you buy it in. So it's a very difficult ask. It's good for the marketers, it's good for retail but it makes it very difficult for us to live with. But we do and somehow we do. Well as we can hear it's all hotting up now and I know you want to get off to some sessions this morning so thank you for being with us and enjoy the rest of your time here. Thanks very much. Our pleasure.