 Of course. I've seen this before. It's just a convenient... So... What we have here... So we built this, this is all designed and built in Taiwan, right? So this is a testing platform for any kind of disease in animals and human. So... I thought it cost like $9,080 per piece. Could be. Could be made for that. So these are lateral flow assays, right? So you can do these for any kind of disease, whether it's HIV or... But now it's COVID, right? So it's basically a machine that you develop these kind of assays and then you just very quickly read it. But the key point is that this is connected. It's an internet connect, cloud connect, use AWS, right? We also have the smart card reader for the Taiwan National Health Insurance Card. So it speaks Wi-Fi? Yeah, Wi-Fi and LAN. And LAN is both, right? Right. So this can be connected. And we're collecting data from all these testing that are coming in. And the question for you is how to collaborate with the government about the data and reporting. Because this is kind of, this is both CDC and the FDA. And this is national security. And this is animal health. Because we can detect African swine fever and other diseases as well. Have you talked to CDC that's entirely CDCs? Sure. But discretion. Right. But for them it's all about do you follow the rules? That's right. I'm taking more on the reporting side. That once we have all this data, how do you aggregate it and how do you make the data useful? For the participant or for academic researchers or just for anybody? Yeah, for anybody. For anybody? For government in general. What kind of collaboration do you think we can do? Okay, I don't really think there's government in general here. Because this is the data that's interesting to public health researchers. But that's one part only. It could also be a group of individuals that want to learn more about themselves. Essentially about each other. And these are different privacy implications in architecture. One is more on the statistics side. One is more on the academic research and also just personal data sourcing side. Do you have any collaboration in either of these two shapes in other countries or in some other jurisdictions? Yeah, so in Europe, working in Europe with WHO now, become their machine vendor. Because they have a lot of test kits but they don't have a machine yet. I see. And they also have office in the US. So we're working with all these test kit vendors that are making, now it's COVID-19, but there's 200 other types of diseases that they can test for. So it's a pretty big database of results. So one thing is security. I think every hospital should have one of these devices. Every research facility, every lab should have one of these devices. Multiple. So I think it's very useful, right? So now we're just getting FDA approval, hopefully this month to be waiting for a couple months. The US FDA. Taiwan FDA. The T FDA. And US FDA afterwards. And also applied for CE, IBD, which is the European Equivalent. So we passed all the regulatory, the CE, FCC, all this stuff is done. And I was just waiting for regulatory approval. Okay. So just to make sure that I understand the tech. So once it produced the results, it speaks over Wi-Fi and LAN to Amazon Web Service, hosted in somewhere in this region. Yeah. Singapore, US, whatever. Japan, whatever. Yeah. And then what? I mean, you control the entire cloud infrastructure. Sure. Or your partners. Yeah, we rent the cloud space. You rent the cloud space. You wrote the access control and so on. Right. But what's, for example, WTO, in which you're a partner. Yeah. So of course they'll ask for a copy, preferably in real time, of this data. Right. And then you just copy it to XAM, and then they do whatever. It's the idea. Yeah. So you're the perfect guy. So you know what it takes to write some data analytics, right? Sure. Yeah. You know, it's not, you have to give an API access and then somebody has to write all the maps and demographics to get all the data out. Right. Yeah. But I mean, is this API already public? Do you have an API definition and things like that? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Right. So if I'm a developer in the WHO, I don't really have to get your consent or anything. I just write to that API and you just flag my incoming IP address or whatever as a reader. Yeah. And then the data pipeline just runs by itself. Yeah. Right. Okay. So then that's for reporting, right? No. So that can be done by geolocation based reporting. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's, it'll be very useful to have access to this stuff. So do you have any suggestions for government or if we're in Taiwan specifically, how you can? Well, in Taiwan we have a personal data management platform. Yeah. So the, my data in, that's maintained by national, in this particular case, it's actually operated by a national health insurance administration, the NHIA. Okay. And the NHIA has this app. I don't know whether you've tried it. Yeah. Right. So the app recently got a kind of overhaul and interface. And it actually now contains the ability to display in the one-time QR code in lieu of a actual IC health card. So that one can also in a, like a video conference in telehealth scenario, use that app to authorize just like swiping a national health card. Oh yeah. Okay. So that functionality is quite useful in like multi-party reporting scenarios because it's cumbersome to keep inserting your NHI card. Yes. Right. And the same app also has a functionality where you can download all the, I don't know, healthcare scans, dentists and doctor visits or whatever. Yes. That's written into the health bank, but the health bank isn't just about health insurance bank, but rather about like, there's people with diabetes and their similar monitoring machines runs into their health bank. And then they can then authorize third-party software developers to then use that into a, for example, a group measurement or a group-oriented feedback mechanism to those braces or whatever other things that they're wearing. So that becomes a positive loop for the people who joined this sort of data coalition. And so you could check out the NHI SDK page to get a list of the current ecosystem players. I don't know whether you're already... Yeah, we looked at it because we developed the National Health Insurance Card Support for the machine, right? Yeah, of course. So now we're using the non-encrypted part of it. Yeah. So now I'm wondering how we... Like just the ID card or something. The ID number. Yeah, just the number, the ARC number, birth date and everything. Yeah. And there's a number of serial numbers for the card. Yeah. So what do you suggest we do to get, to maybe get more, to actually test it because it's privacy concerns, right? Right. But the SDK users, they already have their privacy policies because it's a wireless, that's wireless by the NHIA. So my suggestion, and many of them are actually established hospitals or hospital alliances. So instead of just applying for the SDK access yourself, which could be quite cumbersome time-wise, perhaps you can join one of the existing SDK licensees who already have the access keys to get authorization by individuals to join their data coalition so that you can read and write to the health bank from the pre-cleared use of one of those SDK players. At least I can't memorize it based on the NHIA web page. That's kind of great. Do you have one in particular you would suggest? No, I don't. I really don't. The government basically, in this case, makes sure that the consent, the informed consent as well as the data aggregation is separate security-wise. But we don't have preferred vendors as such, right? We really want any new ideas to get into the partnership of the existing ecosystem instead of just saying, you know, we'll favor one because there's no ecosystem otherwise. Of course, yes. I understand. Great. All right. Yeah. Good. Yeah. We have an annual presidential hackathon. And that's when many of these novel collaborations get to improve their merits because the top five teams in each year's hackathon get a presidential promise that their idea will become national policy within the next 12 months. And so last year, for example, the Minister of Health and Welfare has a team that proposed, I think it's the direction of the sun and the wind and the temperature and so on, and measured the likelihoodness of getting heat damage. And then through an app, for example, the one that's from Circuit Plus that reminds you to get your bottles refilled in nearby drinking fountains. And then that is a nudge, right? Whenever there's unexpected surge in head damage, they steer people toward possible refilling points and remind people to drink more in their former habits instead of buying new plastic bottles and so on. So we're looking for that sort of social design and social collaboration that can also prove there's a public benefit to the individual participation, not just the financial incentives, not just the incentives of understanding oneself better, but actually something that's also pro-social so that it can spread more, that people would willingly contribute the data more. So that's the general direction of the past presidential hackathon. Okay, cool. So how can we invite it to this? Yeah, anyone can apply their ideas. I think we're launching in less than a month. Okay, good. So just check out the presidential hackathon. Sounds good. Can I have some questions? Yes, I have a question. Yes. So you're talking about mobile phones? Yes, mobile phones. I was just saying that if we're starting from the future, if we're starting from the present, because of the mess that's been caused, if you're going to go to the airport, if you're going to live in the city, you have to do a very safe check-up first. So you can say that you're going to go to the city and you're going to go to the police station, and all that stuff. But if we're going to do this thing, it's going to cause more of a wave, like a wave of infection. So it's going to cause a lot of damage. So is there a possibility that it's going to use another kind of... Is it going to use the passport? Your reception and check-up are all in the city. Yes, that's what we do in Taiwan. But they're from overseas. I'm talking about overseas people. But he just said the ARC number. Yes, I'm talking about the ARC number. The ARC number can also be used as a check-up card. We have a lot of employees who use a check-up card. But what if he just came? If he just came, there's no way. He just came here. He didn't say how many days he'd been in. He didn't have a check-up card. That part of the world, that part of the space, that part of the world. Of course, you can discuss this. He said that there are a lot of people who think that he's going to use a go-card. If he wants to go to the city, he has to apply for a check-up card. Yes. It's a bit like not driving in the United States, he has a driver's license. It's the same. I mean, it's like this. Yes. He said that this part is more... What do you mean? I just said, Taiwan is my country. I can't afford it. I can't afford it. We're talking about this part. That's because we're in Taiwan. We're talking about Taiwan. But if we put you in the world, each country has its own game rules. But how do we do it? Let's take a look at it. But why do people have to come here? Because our app, as long as we communicate, it's fine. But I have to use the app. I'm just saying that you're a regular user. I'm not saying that because you've grown up in China. Like when you were in China, if we were talking to each other today, I'd say, I want to be a regular user with your app. But the information you want to exchange, I'm willing to give you. He said that you have to be a regular user. I said, you're just a protector for me. I'm a regular user. He said, how do I know? I'm a regular user. But what I just said, if both parties let the user download their own data, it's a pity. Yes. In that case, both parties don't need to know each other. From my point of view, I downloaded the data and transferred it to the third party. Oh, I understand. I understand. But in fact, you can only do this. Yes. Because you're a regular user. You're a regular user. You're a regular user. You're a regular user. You're a regular user. Yes. How can I know you're a regular user? Exactly. Because in fact, you can only let the user say, I've seen it. My data is correct. I think it's correct. I think it's correct. We both think it's correct. We leave it to him. So it's based on the interaction between this app and that app. It's not about the developer of this app. Because at that time I was talking to him. I missed a point in the middle. Yes. I missed a point. I didn't find it. And then what we were talking about was that point. You don't say that again. And I said, when you want to download another person, he will use a file or say, he wants another person. Let me tell you, we have one called MyData. It allows people to see each other. For example, when I go to the bank and I have to open a account, he needs me in different parts of the file. Then he goes back to MyData. But it's a bit like single sign-on. He immediately puts the file there. So we made this procedure very simple. But the concept is I download it first. Download it first. Yes. But it's not really what I downloaded. Instead, I downloaded the same action on the ship. Because I was talking about this. I was talking about that. I was talking about that. I don't have this problem today. But if you help us with the rules of this game in Taiwan, let the whole world use it like this, I don't think it's a problem. That's what I'm talking about. No. But in the United States, their frequency is very high. It's not that everyone can use it like this. I agree. But the concept of MyData, as long as everyone uses it, the connection between it becomes very simple. We don't need to make this for the United States. We just need to make this protocol API to come out. So, I just asked whether the API is open. Because both sides are open. Even if the API is different, you can also use a 120V to 220V power switch. In the middle, write an adapter. An API adapter can come out. Because what you are talking about now is another topic. What you are talking about is what we are going to do next year. What we are going to do next year is what we are going to tell you now. In fact, what we are talking about is what we are going to tell you in the previous episode that we were writing a program to talk about this thing. Then I told him we are talking about the program. So, he would do this thing on this stage. He told me that I don't have any information. I need such a large power supply. I just need a power supply. Then I said OK, I told him it's OK, we will do it next year. I focused on this. But I have to tell you first. I have to prepare this information first. Next, we are going to do this thing. He has a battery. He has no battery inside. Because he will have to carry it around. He is afraid that there are some countries that can't carry a battery. So he covered it with a lid. So he said there is a battery here. A power supply. Yes, it can carry a battery. Nice. Yeah, this is a power adapter. Yeah, if you use for for the place you don't have power, you can use 24 hours. OK. Wow, it's really good. But without any we can have solar panel or there's a satellite up there. One of those indoor solar panels that will work perfectly. Right. So, yeah. Yeah, this part is what I told you. I said no matter what you do, I hope you will be more experienced and mature. Although it's difficult, I will be more experienced. But the good thing is that in the future we will talk about another thing. I will tell you because of this, you have this concept and we have this concept we will do the next part and it will be more interesting. So, we will do this part in the future. I know but the rules of the game are the same. So, yeah, I will say today you still have to go this way. I said because you use for Taiwan the future of the world is a human explosion. And then I don't know why there are too many problems. I said let's talk about what is a human explosion? What is a human explosion? What is a human explosion? I understand what you mean. And then I said I have to do the next part and you have to do the next part. I said actually the energy is good and the energy is good but the nature is dangerous. Do you want to kill yourself from nature? Yeah And then I said I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I can only tell you what I saw I said let's talk about what we don't need to talk about. Let's just talk about electricity. I said that day when he was playing in the process he said there will be a lot of things happening. Of course because in China I heard of the distance of the transmission. The first distance of the transmission is when there is a pot or a pot there will be a lot of things happening. And then there will be a lot of problems. And then there are a lot of problems and then the process will be cut off. Then I said other things are up and jump. I said this is the power part. I said in the Chinese language engine in the 34 years I said that part the air is caused by the natural gas that is caused by But I want everyone to know that I know that there may be some Yes, that's why I added this I told you that once the air-conditioning system was supported What Taiwan is doing now Is to run that horse Something like that Then I said that because it can't be used for electricity It's good Is it possible to use a real person I know what you mean Yes, I said that this is another one I said that you have to use it I didn't Anyway, you slowly study Then I said that you know this part What about the water part I said that we will meet another problem in Taiwan I said that water Oh, the water You have too much water in our house Clear fish Yes, clear fish makes a point Then I said where did you get the idea No, no, no Before when I was in Japan When I was in Japan I once discovered a thing There is something in Japan It's a螺旋 When it's in a螺旋 When it's moving But he told me I said that part You need to have the water of the high ground You know the part of the螺旋 When they have a main device When you go in You don't have to rely so much on the water You have to rely on the stomach Yes, you don't need to You just have to When it's in that machine device Let it stop in the water When it's going down a lot He will tell you to turn But in the process of turning Can you clean it up in the process? In the clear fish process In fact, you can generate electricity Then in this process He said that you are thinking about The water, electricity And I said I don't know how to measure the fish speed I just want to know the concept And I said Anyway, there is a lot of work Understand, understand Very interesting It's fun You have to play like this I said I don't know I'll give it to you first Thank you Then I said Is there a possibility I said I don't know You can tell me It's great But I don't know Is there a possibility Because the last time The two of us were arguing But he said No Because You can make a power bank He said Yes, power bank But do you know You want to put it in the power bank No, no It's different It's different I said It's because we This one Give me Four Four He said You can do it I said I should say You can make a power bank Because I know Because you know You will do this And you put this thing out So I know you can But if I know You tell me I hope that you meet the power bank Okay Then I don't use electricity today I don't use food I know what you mean So many of them are materials There are some new inventions Like what Someone is doing And the waste material Put in the microwave And then it won't leak And so on Yes, yes, yes I know Yes, and I told him I'm not I'm just providing you And then But this year Or these professional people Yes, yes, yes And then I said You have to go to Xianxian And apple I said Just like this You have to cut it off It's so hard Because his back Is expected I believe this disease is hard Yes, there are some Wait for this material To slowly enter the stone It will suddenly fall At that time It was a common time Yes There are some Still in the scientists Then this time There is no use So I said Good question Then I told you Good question I'm going to ask I understand But I said Is there a possibility I think a lot of them are in the laboratory Still in the small scale But when this small scale It's out of the experiment Found out that this product Really has such a trend At this time Of course, no matter if it's a country Or a company This is the process When it's the most successful Then everyone will do it Then come out It's okay Then we'll go to the next topic So I said I said I have to do this Then I have to do something else So you have to say Anyway Then you just wait for that to be done Yes, this is You've been doing it Then I've been going to see other things Then after watching it I told you what I want to do Yes, yes, yes Then I tried to do it Yes, yes, yes I think this is very interesting Yes, because he said that It shouldn't be possible Right It's not possible today Maybe one day it will be possible Yes, but because he is talking Because he is very good There is a social problem You have to find a problem When you answer Come out For example Like he was talking to me Then the keyboard Will touch the board Yes Then it will definitely be safe Yes Then I said That's how I have Then I can't use my keyboard like this Then I said No, you will definitely be safe like this Yes Then I really can't do it Then I can't do it I can't do it I can't do it I can't do it I can't do it Then I said Then you have to go to the card You have to find a problem Yes Then I said I'm really sorry I'm just thinking about it I'm not sure Then I said I have to ask Then I said What else do you have to think about I said These four are Whether it's a keyboard Or Because the keyboard I just said I'm in the original device I don't want to change things I don't want to change things Because once you change What is it I understand Everyone will not move I understand Then I said But I looked at For the sun The sun itself It's a glass To accept the alpha beta This thing If it's like this It should be inside The inside There is a problem with the device It shouldn't be connected to the glass So So I told him Is it possible It should be The glass The original glass Go to catch the alpha beta The same thing But it's not inside Then he said Chen Xiangying I'm going to think about it I said Thank you Yes Like I just mentioned Is that inside the sun In fact, if you look inside the sun You will find Yes, this is actually a Quite different That layer of It's not the same I'm talking about Even with these lights You can definitely Pass the power to the device Yes Because I'm talking to him If it's a small place You can turn this Then you can slowly Change big things Yes Then you change it Change it One of the words in it One of the words in it Then the experience is different Yes, yes, yes So I am quite suggestive I have time to understand Understand Just inside the sun Inside the sun Inside the sun This is a new technology Yes Then it's like the magnetic This part The magnetic device The water-based device Because of your magnetic device So if you want to put it Just in the natural system It's not It's on the outside OK Because like When you turn on the heater After the magnetic device It's in every set Go to catch Yes To catch the air How much it can run Yes That part If it's on the outside The part of the air To make a magnetic connection Because the magnetic connection What we use the most now Is actually the Youyou card That's the normal communication Yes So this kind of communication Probably Because it's a RFID But in reality NFC is a very short distance Very short distance In fact, now the mobile phone There is also this kind of sensor function That's true You don't need to pull a wire in the middle You don't need to pull a cable I'm talking about Yes You can just use Just magnetic You can go to the communication But because you are talking about The specific use The environment Yes Because I didn't go first To understand the solar system Yes I didn't calculate it for you Yes Yes But I do think How much can you see The current NFC technology The state of its development And that is to say The scene you are talking about Is its state useful Maybe if it is useful Then you can test it Because NFC is very cheap Yes Because they said What do you do Because it's like this It's between us Yes Let's do it Then suddenly I'm sure to do this Then he said Then you tell me now You do this You tell me Okay, you want to do something else Yes Because I think When the brain stops It will change I understand It's great There is a famous Then you give it to others Understand Understand It's great Yes, just give it to him Then he said You must give it to someone else To make a new system You just have to throw out the problem I like it too I think You should say I believe There are more ways to compare But first you have to throw out the problem It's worth solving This is the origin Yes I said We first find out the problem Yes Then take it all back And then solve it like this Then it will change Yes And then when you do it When you do it You can do it There won't be any problem Then I said That's it I said Then I hope You tell me I just hope In this process See what you can find Yes I think this is great Actually, just now They are not doing activities outside What they are doing It's very interesting They are saying We use electronic accounts Instead of using capital accounts These participation banks Save the money Take it to the low income family Let them exchange it Cheap and efficient LED lighting In this way It won't be poor because of energy Then you can check here So it's a commercial model Every single technology Is not new technology But it goes through this way Let everyone find out I have such an impression Even bigger For example I don't need a plastic wash The impression of the environment So I will suggest If you are interested in this You can look more We are called social innovation Because it's called social design Social design Such a concept That is to say We let everyone have a I am participating in the industry But everyone can They don't know each other Do not work together These departments Combine them This is more than The technical skills of single industry It can expand There is a little more More If you have time You can see I will I will play this Because I told him I need to Other things Then I will continue to think about these things No problem Then I said Because you just I am at the edge Think about it Wait a minute I seem to want to do something Then I said to him Because I want to do Other things You just need to do that Don't think too much Understand Understand So I think We used to think Maybe natural science We just talked about application Financial science Business application It's all technology But actually I just mentioned Social technology Social science Social design In fact, it is also a kind of technology That kind of technology Is no longer the limit of financial science He just told you Then you can use it together Then we Many of our customers Are in this state If you have time You can go to the website No problem So you said Do you have any suggestions For us Yeah I did make some suggestions Around social design And social innovation Basically turning these Purpose oriented actions Into something that everybody Can participate For crowdsourcing Instead of just crowdfunding One specific industrial design From the ecosystem Maybe These very interesting ideas Could be written up Into more invitations For participation Saving energy together Converting energy more efficiently Together Making sure That people understand More applications In the Like infrastructure pipelines And things like that And so just Yeah, just write it up And then share it With our ecosystem Okay, great Cool Thank you Alright I won't ask this You said because About the Electricity This part Or is The gauze this part And this part I guess everything Yeah, that's right That's right That's right Because Because in our home We can touch anything Water and We don't want to go And then I don't want to say What do you mean That our home That Because we Are in the back of the old house Okay When I was there There was a painting I want to use that No You can draw it And then Yeah, and then I said I've been doing it But because of his painting You have to go So you can't do it That model Yeah And then I said I said You should have other ideas Because everyone keeps saying That You don't know What to do But Taiwan is already doing That part Is the process of painting You have to do it Yeah But Yes, there is already that kind of Blossom spray You don't even know how to do it That's what I mean Then I said It should be said In this process How do you continue to use this material And then I said He won't He won't agree Because You continue to burn that material It will be made Is that For the environment A kind of hurtful place In temperature Understand That's what you said It may be in the environment The temperature above The temperature is really high I said You still have a problem I don't have a way I didn't think about the big problem It's okay We just one by one Thank you As long as it's shared Maybe someone will want to A better one I said As long as you talk New method And you He said You don't say you only ask you Yes But this question I haven't thought about that I haven't thought about it Let me tell you We have to hurry I can't Why That kind of money Burned too much Understand Yes But share the idea Go out to buy money No No Because he means to say Because he knows I will do it I will do it Because when I say As long as we are right I will do it I will do it Because he He said The first one is Safety Yes The second one is The level Understand Everything is equal And then You can see And now Which The first and the third But then The second Then we will hurry Hurry I will do it I choose the one Other people Okay Okay Then I will do it I know Actually I want to do it But you have to do it As long as you are right I will do it But you are not Not yet Actually Share the idea Don't spend your money There are more Friends who think Hey, take this idea Go do it It's a little bit of success I don't need it The taste Yes So I think This is also a good idea Okay What is your opinion About the current pandemic And the outlook Or what COVID is going to do What we Humanity Yes, humanity What is your opinion I think this is the first time That the world The planetary community Has the same topic Of the same urgency More so than Energy transition Climate change Or anything Which has uneven urgency Across different jurisdictions This is the same urgency Across the planet So I guess This brings us A planetary solidarity Like across time zones And so on People actually have A positive experience Of working on something together And so We talked about Decarbonization And so on And so That may be The next few topics That we can then Apply this Intergenerational And cross-trustictional Solidarity Toward more structural ideas So I'm highly optimistic About this planetary collaboration Do you think Taiwan Is going to open up To the world travel again? Definitely Definitely, yeah I mean part of this Depends on our Domestic vaccination schedule And if we have a good And it looks like we will Have good domestic Produced vaccines So much so that People feel safe And that we can also Share it to other Countries And to help them feel safe Then that will Lead to much rapid Opening up So I think we'll know For sure Around June And we'll see How the domestic Vaccination goes And what about the Variations that are coming That are more increasingly Not working vaccines? Yeah, that's part of the things That we need to determine Right, by June or July If it's mRNA based Then theoretically You can just plug and play The virus code And then guard against those So that the vaccine Could upgrade faster Than the virus could mutate On the other hand If the pandemic Is still spreading That leads to more potential Mutations And maybe in a year or two Maybe if there's like Two or three variants Each individually Contagious And unable to be Chartered by the vaccine To one another Then we have a larger Problem, right It's like a Like overlapping flu Thing And that will complicate The current arrangement So I think one of our Main goal is just to get The world vaccinated As soon as possible So that the virus doesn't Have a chance to Mutate into multiple Incompatible But overlapping Pandemics What about testing? What's your opinion About testing? You mean RT-PCR and And rapid testing Yeah, just a point of entry Sure, it's quite useful And I think that Coupled with what we talk about Personal vaccination And personal test records And so on I think that could Facilitate more International travel But on the other hand If in either the Origin or destination Still there's no Heart immunity Provided by initial Vaccination Then it only Reduce the risk But doesn't eliminate The risk So some sort of quarantine Would still be warranted If we want to go fully Quarantine free Then that still requires Heart immunity on both sides Regardless of the testing Ration Are there any examples Of heart immunity In the existing world? Israel? Are there any examples Of heart immunity? Yeah, Israel Israel, maybe Yeah We're looking at A real heart immunity In Israel And a couple other jurisdictions Thanks to the early Vaccination And I guess I should Also mention Palau, right? Palau is one such jurisdiction Okay And cooperation Okay, that's it Thank you Take care Oh man I should give you my Handcard Sure, sure, sure Cheers