 Let's follow me in order of 630. The agenda. What do we have? There's one. Cyber security training subscription fully paid for by the LCT should be rather quick discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Or fully reimbursed by the LCT. Okay. They look good. Oh, you do. I do. Okay. On the minutes. Yes. On the minutes of the 16th. Yeah. If you go to the end where it says the select were discussed. And the second sentence, it said, it was discussed that the motion made by Mr. Itiner was. Now was that on something previously as well as the previous. Yeah. Okay. So should it say. Yeah. Yes. It should be noted because you're not. You are not listed. Yeah. You are not at the meeting. At this meeting. At the meeting of this. Great. Come on. At the meeting of the 16th. Right. Which I knew that that's what it was. It was. So we should insert. That from a, from previous meeting. The motion was not made at that. Exactly. The motion was not made at this meeting. Okay. Is that okay? I got it. All right. Perfect. Yeah. I read, I read the minutes. Stop talking because you're making things a lot. And you. Submitted request. Right. That we get through the meeting quickly. Yeah. Yes, sir. All right. So the minute. I'd like to make, I'd like to make a motion to accept the minutes. As amended. As amended. Okay. Okay. Okay. And for that discussion. Nine. No German, please, because. We'll have to understand. No. On the recording. The spec on it. All of the favor. I. I fear to have it. They do have it. Okay. So the minutes are done. Public comment. Nothing. No. No. The next item on our agenda. We are slightly ahead of schedule. Are we expecting more people for this item? I think we're here. Well, I see some people here, but I don't know if maybe there's more, but we'll start. The item. Consideration of resident request to discontinue town right away on property. I assume that these people are the residents. Okay. Would you care to introduce yourself for the record? Sure. I'm carrying. Deegan. I know. Assigning. Oh, okay. Yeah. You don't have to introduce yourself. Okay. So we. We're a road. Yeah. Is there a question? Does that only know what that is? John. You don't do much that. Boom. I like to make these roads. Oh, okay. Well, you won't like on this one. No. It's an accessible. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You have a form. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We have a couple of. One. Yeah. We're crossing that. I thought the right way. On the. On the property. About as simple as if you can get. Yes. I haven't been used in 50 years. I think at least we've owned it for 37 years. It's all grown up. There's no accessibility. It was the old wheel of road, but the development on the wheel of road side, I think it was Bowman. Yeah. And. And. Who else? And how they closed it off. And then there was a be the dam. And now there's quite a big pond. So I mean, it just doesn't exist. Yeah. It's not. Yeah. It's not really a trailer or a road. Yeah. Yeah. The max that you have one is the satellite for the purpose of kind of showing. The area is overgrown. Where that right of way is. Yeah. There's no way you can walk down. Yeah. The other thing is that we were just. What I noticed was looking at the state. We did what this is off of. Is that wheeler. Road originally followed the utility lines down and meet met up. When Valen developed, I don't know if this was about 40 years ago. But. About that. Because I've looked about that probably with Cliff before he developed it. The actual road right away bends. So the town changed the right away from the other side. And it looks like it was given up for where they took the bend in the road. Down to the corner. There's no right away. So there's really no way to access it without. You know, Trust passing on our property, property or sex property. Possibly kitchen. The new. Maybe their property, but like it's not accessible. Yeah. Unless you trespass. To get there. And then you know, what would you do? Give a couple of feet and say, I did the trail later. And then you don't go anywhere. You know what I mean? It's just. You may have just answered my question by your last remarks. But why are you. Asking for us to really push the town. There's a couple. A couple. One is I'm doing a corrective deed on this property. That came up. When you put the water pump in on the bottom, I own a piece of properties alone. The local loans. That got somehow wasn't written into the. Probably. So I've got to hire an attorney to correct the deed. It was marriage property. This was all marriage property. It's so I came to light and eventually we're going to maybe build the retirement home back here. And, you know, but this came to light this year because there was somebody put a hunting stand in the middle of the right. Which is. And you can't get through it anyway. The court is not. You know, he could walk up the trail. Game when he came out and I don't know where the trail begins. And I said, good luck. It basically drops off about five feet into. About four or five feet of water and why rush. It is a beginning of a trick out. All the way up to the backside of it. So he had a, you know, across the property. So that came up now. good and like to be able to deal with you know maybe fixing the drainage and stuff as we go without having to worry about the easement. But to answer your question the main thing was that we had a problem recently that we've never had in 37 years which was somebody trying to put a DS stand on the property and claiming that it was an easement which then you know we had to get the game warden involved because it's a road and you can't shoot from a road if you big handful then the property owners that you know sort of all had to kind of agree to let him trespass to get his stand on because again the trail itself isn't accessible. That's kind of what brought it out but we'd rather just do one deed fix rather than multiple. I have another question but it's a generic question that I'd like to ask afterwards. So the town writes away our assets to the town and according to state statute we are not allowed to give them up unless public good necessity and convenience of the inhabitants of the municipality require that the highway bridge highway and bridge or trail be discontinued or the or the process so that I'm reading from the statute here. So what what arguments can can you make to us that the public good necessity and convenience of the inhabitants of the municipality would require this? Well as I said it's inaccessible so it's not like we've taken away like Mallory Brook where people walk every day nobody has walked here in 37 years that we've owned it. You can't walk there because it's inaccessible without trespassing so I don't really feel like we're taking away anybody's anything. So far somebody's familiar a little bit with our assets in depth. We have millions of dollars of sidewalks and assets that we're now taking care of for you know we are now planning for it. Show me where this is on the balance sheet because I don't think you have it and like I said I'd be glad to buy it back for whatever the town paid I believe Mr Martin back in the 1800s put it which is nothing. So you're saying that as a town asset is an asset value for the town is zero. But wait a minute we're getting ahead of ourselves yeah because to go through the process yeah all we have to do is reach out to our lawyer and there is a process you have to go through the public hearing and it's a long process. We have to spend money to do it and then it would involve giving up an asset that the town could buy. Whether it's a asset or not it's just a question. It's not an asset but the public good is that like I said we've got problems with agricultural things on that point a lot and stuff that can contest to there is standing water that wasn't there 20 years ago. Obviously this would have been the worst but it's been an ongoing problem and it's actually that trail is where part of where it comes through. It could be fixed or it could have been approved the agricultural value. Yeah okay I didn't understand what you said just now. But wait a minute there's John's that's okay let me do what I just saw here. So what we're talking about I'd like to be able to fix the land for the agricultural value without what land is going down okay which is an asset to the town that have an agricultural land as part of what our mission is. We can't fix it with the you know the even I'm not willing to put money in and it's also just I can't do it I mean it's going through the the town. So the drainage on that property is it's getting gutted it's standing water from one side to the other that wasn't there you know such knows the property well for many years. So okay I understand. Obviously that next yeah well that's part of it yeah yeah oh what was your question? I have a couple. Sure. What class is this road? Well it was a class four but it's sort of closed like I said there's no access to it because the other side it was a road that literally went through to the road. Can you like on this map I can see I can see wheel of road. Is it way line? Yeah that goes from. John if you flip to the back of that too you kind of see the tree line yeah that's what we're talking about. But it goes from this point here to this point here or does it go further? It goes all the way over to wheel of road here. Yeah it's like well who's the one that Pauler. All right so where? Yeah it was from here to Paul. I think it's a Viva. So this is this is a better view of it. Here's wheel of road this is the class four section okay it goes up this is my property both sides of it. Yeah it hits here this looks like the wheel of road he's been still comes down but when I looked at this map this section they have it highlighted you see it's white white white going up here yeah and when you look at the it comes down the other way on a bigger map and bends in and comes up. The easement was changed that's class three now I believe. So Paul it's yeah right you know when that comes out by U-32? Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah this is Paul. All right now I understand what we're going. Yeah this is Paul's property here. So the road ends here where you got the storage trailers yeah this goes around over to here on wheel road over here the storage trailers were here and then it got reached a lot like right here somewhere. Okay and Mary Mary's property this was Marion's also this is this was all this line here went over to here kitchens with the sabbatons that was all this was a night pastor and this is where the property ends for me so we're looking at this strip most of it we own both sides. And many many years ago it did go through to wheel of road so you could go wheel of road to codling road and get down to root two so when we first bought the property 37 years ago if you you know when you had the old gpm it would tell people to go up and go down wheel of road except there was no way to go because before we bought it was closed off and developed so it isn't a road now at least yeah through our question. Yeah what impact does it have on others on that road? There is no road that's what I'm saying but I'm saying no but on the right way because there's always impacts when you if you eliminate a right way that may not be used but could be used in the future how does that impact the people of other property owners that are there? It doesn't because we because it's one turns and then where you guys the end of your property there we're really going to talk about it and we own both sides of that. Right and then it goes by a little ways and then then the other road wheel of road comes in on that end but bears off as a class three. Yeah by users. Right. And that road ends and then from there you go through the woods around a beaver pond so through a beaver pond that's all flooded over here. So the town when the town owns a class four road it's required to the only maintenance that's required to perform on that is to take care of bridges and culverts or hydraulics. Right but see this is nothing that's what we're trying to think. That's why because the town's not doing anything. Yeah it's nothing like this. So there's new liability. It's not a road and it's not a saying there is a liability especially when you have somebody putting a hunting stand on the truck. Well aside from that there are there are requirements but I'll tell you the truth most towns have roads where they don't do any type of maintenance like this but they are technically required to do that and some property owner can ask the town to do that. Okay well if you're access it though. But you should come out when you're going around here but when you come out and look you'll see what I'm trying to say that there is no road but you'll have to go on our property or Ruth Clark's property for us to even show you. You will not be able to walk to the trails. So there's no impact on neighbors no negative impact on neighbors no. It's listed as an asset for the town because one reason it would be is because the town gets a little bit of money for Class 4 roads from the highway. Yeah you do. I think every road takes a road. It's not a Class 4 road anymore. It was a Class 4 road but now I think it's just a trail. It can't be a class it can't be changed. The class cannot be changed just because they're not using it. It's a Class 4 road and it wasn't ever turned into a legal trail. It would either remain a Class 4 road or if it was upgraded to a Class 3 road. So if it's a Class 4 road it stays a Class 4 road and I'm not arguing I'm just kind of clarifying. That's interesting. I know it's still I think you're right the Class 4 road but I don't know do we get money for Class 4 roads? I'm not sure. You don't you don't get much because they're only open a couple they're only open they're not open all four seasons for a Class 4 road. I'm not sure what we get. You get more money from me than you do from them. Right. You know that we better buy some Class 4 roads. And so the town plan says that the Class 4 roads are not maintained by the town and no state funding is provided. Well I don't care what the town plan says. I do know that it's a requirement if you look in the statutes and they maintain the drainage and the bridges. Yeah well if they're doing it you could reimburse if you do anything. They haven't done any of that. Well you're supposed to ask them. We have a Class 4 road on my part. Right. And we we have taken care of the hydraulics water on that road but we are supposed to talk to the town and they are responsible for putting culverts and stuff. Right. Any town road. But they don't have to go there on their own volition. Well any town road the select board has control over any town road and no one can work on a town road of any town road without approval of the select board because you're taking on that liability of those people doing work on that road. So that's why you ask but they do technically have to fix issues with the road if you ask them to. Yes. But most people don't ask them to because they don't like people driving on the roads if they get in the bridge. Okay but anyway. But we do have houses on Class 4 roads where people do. Yeah I agree. I totally agree with you. But people are never saying to the town about building that road. I mean I know that. They what? They never say anything to the town about the maintenance that they do on the road. Some don't some do depends on the town you're in. Well there's quite a few Class 4 roads in town. Right. And they maintain those Class 4 roads. Right. They do it on their own. Yes. Okay. Yes. So some history. The town put together an ancient roads committee back 20 years ago or so to take a look at the ancient roads the rights of way and that we're not being used anymore and chart where they were and to recommend whether they be given up altogether or be turned into trails for example. And I have been trying to find the report from that committee or even who was on it besides Ruth Johnson who chaired it. And so far I haven't found anybody who was on it. I have not found the report but the town plans does. Do you know who was on it or where the road? I don't know. I was dealing with things back then. I actually read the report. We do have. Yeah I'm sure we have. If you pardon me. I looked in the black holes on it. I think so. And there was just a few other people on it. We do have a report. Yeah. What happened is they made recommendations to give out certain roads which we did. And well I'm not sure we did. I visited the roads. The town plan then is wrong because the town plan or at least it's incomplete. It says that there were two corridors that were given further study and the committee recommended that the select board did a mass discontinuance of all possible town roads that were not identified on the official Vermont agency of transportation highway map for the town. And it doesn't say that actually happened. Can I tell you what will happen if you didn't do that? And I talked to Edie Miller who was on the select board at the time. And she said that the select board decided not to do that mass discontinuance because they could be valuable in the future. Maybe not 10 years. Maybe not 20 years in the future. But you might want to use them for further development or a town trail. So that's the somewhat written, somewhat oral history that I have. And I think if we're going to consider this at all that we need to understand the way that the town has thought about it in recent history and address what they said. You also need to find out that road was ever put on a list for the state highway department. Because if it wasn't, in 2015, there was a final notice given by the Department of Transportation and said, if you do not have your road on this list, any road that existed will disappear. So if it's not a road now, then it's not a right place. Right. That's what I'm telling you. Yeah, then we can't discontinue it. We don't have to. That's not it. So anyway, somebody needs to find that. Is there any precedent for taking or relinquishing right-of-ways? Is there a record of us ever doing that? Yes, we did. I'm trying to say that. Let me speak for a second. No. In 2015, the state said, if you want to give up certain roads, this is your time to do it. We went around and visited several classical roads. Bruce Johnson's driver was one. There was a few others, and we gave them up. That was a window that the state provided for us to give up the ancient roads or the ancient roads or whatever. So this road was not brought up at that point. It may be gone then. I'm afraid it's on a state map. If it's on a state map, it won't be gone. But it's not on a state map. It's on the GIS, I think. There is a real wheel of road, like we have the Pollock Slip. And then there's the old, right. So nobody differentiated between what they were. It's definitely a wheel of road. It's just not an accessible wheel of road. Well, there's a wheel of road of the Class 3 road. If you look at an existing state map right now, it's a wheel of road that goes all the way through. The GIS, if you look at it, comes down and bends with it where the road used to end, the original wheel of road up into the loop that Bowman put in. It ends there, and then it picks up back down on the corner of my property, going back down. Oh, it's on a state map. So it is, yeah, my section ends. It was on a state map. The other one isn't road anymore. The other side. Well, it doesn't go anywhere. To get back at Paul's situation here, which is that this is a town asset. I ain't looking at it from the capital asset plan here. This is a town where I go. Someone is going to, you know, go on that property and get hurt, and it's not going to be in trouble. The thing is, if there is a process, if we wanted to read to give it off. Yeah, I just don't think it's an asset. The process we have to go through would be a hearing. Yeah, whatever. But we still have to, if we're going to do this, we have to read to do it and say to our lawyer, and you look at what we have to do. That's what our role is right now. Yeah. So question then is, should we take on the expense of asking our lawyer to say, what do we have to do? Or should we say, you want us to gift this right away to you? Could you talk to a lawyer, pay a lawyer to come to us with a plan? I know we have to do our town lawyer. He's got to do our town lawyer, which is viral. We will eventually, but do we ask him to do the initial work or do we ask him to respond to a proposal from somebody? Yeah, I think the initial work is what we have to do. We've got to do a legal way of doing it. I did. Are you sent something from VLCT? Yeah, that's right. That's my read. Then the first paragraph is you need to reach out to your town attorney. Yeah, that's right. But do we ask our town attorney to do all the work, or do we ask them to start the ball rolling, get their attorney to send us a letter? Well, I think it's a time between no sense from what he's led. It looks like on the map, if you wrote it, and if this is the right road, it's a legal trail. It's been changed to a trail. What are you looking at, John? Not a class 4 road. That is a legal trail. Somehow, in this whole thing, any roads, situation that occurred, it was changed to a legal trail all across your property. Then it goes back to, I would say, probably goes to a class 3 road, where it's wheeled a road. That's road is number 56. Then where it bears off, it goes down as a cobbling road or whatever. It's number 54 there. That's a class 3 road. That whole section is a legal trail, so it would have a 10-foot right away, a 10-foot travel portion. It would still maintain its normal right-of-way. What happens when you do give up a road like that, you don't really give them the right-of-way. Essentially, all the land that goes to the center of the road on each side of the road goes back to the property automatically. It's not any of the town's gifts. Once that road is not a legal road anymore, it goes back to the property. Right. I don't think there's a huge amount of legality involved in that, except you can just follow the statutes. If the town decides to do that, they just make the decision to do it. They visit. They have a public hearing to make sure that everybody who's aware of the road or is impacted by the road has a say. And then the town is as well. Okay, so the process, we don't think he lays off the clock. The state lays it out. The first part of the process is to contact our town attorney. Right. I think it's a great idea. And all we have to do is look at this right here. You're going to see that that's a legal trial. All we have to agree to. But still, I mean, to get the board rules. Exactly. We didn't have a hearing and all this stuff comes up. But first we have to agree to talk to the town attorney. Yeah, so we can't vote on it tonight, but we would have to. No, they don't know that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're being there for two hours. Yeah. If we don't start the process. Because it's a process. Yeah, we're not making decisions. The decision that we're going to make is to talk to a town attorney if that's agreeable. Now, Carl has other ideas. I think we should talk to the town attorney or everyone else. Oh, just to clarify, I think we should talk to the town attorney too. I think we should do that after we get a formal letter from their attorney saying this is exactly what we're asking for. But it doesn't make any sense. We already sent to the fed. We already sent to the fed. I am more mass rise. I'm agreeing with, I agree with you, Seth, that I want, I want an opinion or investigation by our attorney rather than a biased attorney on the plaintiff's right. Yeah. Yeah. Even though I'd rather not bear the expense, I don't want this a biased opinion or investigation. Yeah. Yeah. And what the attorney will tell us is a process. And I don't think we're talking about 10s of thousands. No. I'm being facetious. 200. I'm being facetious. Oh, okay. And one more thing is a legal trail of town is not required to do any maintenance whatsoever. So it's no longer legal. Well, how about the water? Maybe with a new permit, the contiguous roads and water. Yeah. There might be an issue with that, but I don't know for sure if there is. I think that they're still obligated to, if you ask. Well, you need to ask me. I have a legal trail issue on my part. And there is some water issues there. But I was going to look into that and I have a landlord now that's willing to pay to put the culverts in and I can do some work. But I know that that could be a town responsible. But let's see, he would have to go on and on. That's one of the several problems. The water is a problem. The liability is a problem. I'd like to make a motion to contact our lawyer and to investigate what our options and or legal ease is. Would our town administrator be willing to do that? I can send him. I mean, it's going to require more information and likely from those of you that know the history. And he and all of the attorneys going to do is lay out the same thing. Stations lay out. It's pretty clear. Stations, what you have to do. Yeah. Okay. So I made a motion. So I want to hear the motion again for the minutes. I'm going to make a motion to contact our lawyer to investigate the potential for East Montpelier to relinquish our right of way. Consider relinquishing. Consider relinquishing our right of way on Miller road. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, that's a legal trail. Yeah. That's my motion. That's a clarifying question. Sorry. Yes. So part of the process would be having a public hearing for the benefits. It is. I read the stuff that Gina sent out from VLCT and one of the things that requires a public hearing and a visit to the site. Yeah. So we do have a motion. We do not have a second for that. Any further discussion? Any further discussion? Yeah. So I would like to have the questions posed about the any liabilities that we have associated with owning legal trail with the attorney. May I ask you, Mr. President, speaking about liability, has the hunting stands, is that activity, has that ceased at this point? And he told the person that had the hunting stand there to take it down. Okay. I just want to do that. I'm concerned that I have the liability for that as well. Yeah. So, okay. So is there any further discussion on the motion? All the favor please say no. All right. All right. Yeah, I didn't have to do that. Okay. Thank you for coming in. Okay. Appreciate it. So the next item on the agenda is consideration of Carlton C. Smith funds the four-corner school house. All right. So the Carlton Smith, would they be, oh, that's just the interest, isn't it? It's the interest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every little bit helps. Every little bit helps. Sure. Sounds like a good plan. Okay. So we have previously supported $30,000 from ARPA Fundings to match the state grant for this project. And I asked Hobie if he could give us a little bit of an overview of how much the total cost is expected to be for the project, why that $60,000 is not sufficient, why they need the extra money here. I understand it's well supported by the town in the past. The other groups that have claimed to the Carlton Smith money have said give it to four-corner school house. And for the sake of making, having a complete base of information for making a decision, I want to hear publicly what the money is going to be used for. It's okay. Yeah. We can't hear you, Hobie. But we see your lips moving. You're muted. He's working on it. We still can't hear you. How's now? Yep. Perfect. Thank you. Thanks for putting up with my computer illiteracy. We, when we came to you last, and you generously offered to match the grant we were proposing to the Vermont Arts Council, the grant, the most we could ask for from the Vermont Arts Council was $30,000 in order to present kind of a simple request as I could make it. I broke out our total project into kind of, I call it phase A and phase B, although they will be going on pretty much simultaneously. Phase A, though, came down, came with a price tag of $64,000. And so that's where I was able to, it just simplified things when I asked for 30,000 from, well, from both the town and the Vermont Arts Council. Phase B, it's a bunch of little miscellaneous items that are still deemed relevant and preferred treatment for the job. And as I told Carl earlier this afternoon, this includes replacing the closet doors on the closets that line the north end of the building with ventilated or rather louvered doors for ventilation purposes. It involves getting humidity sensors that will automatically record the data and also alert people if things are not working properly. It includes the price tag to Washington Electric for a new transformer since we're having to upgrade our electrical panel. And it also includes just my original budget included roughly $1,660 of in-kind work that I hope the Fort Corner School Board can contribute in-kind labor. If not, we'll have to hire out for that work. So that's also included in for an ultimate price tag of just over $70,000. So we have the $60,000 from, of course, the town and the Vermont Arts Council. We have now a GoFundMe campaign online, as well as some donation jars around town. The GoFundMe has so far gathered us about $3,600. And so we're looking to also get, obviously, the funds from the Carlton Smith fund, knowing that we, nobody's really tapped into it for the last 10 years. And thankfully, you have the other two parties who have access to these funds generously and quickly, happily donated their share to our cause. Okay. Rachel? Yes, I just wanted to add something to what Hobie said when he mentioned that we're hoping that the Schoolhouse Board can do some in-kind donations. And I don't know that the town is aware of how much the Board has contributed in-kind to keeping the Schoolhouse running and keeping it mechanically and everything, you know, just painting. There have been hours and hours donated by people who understand that stuff. I'm not one of them. I provide cookies, and that makes everybody happy. But Hobie and Chris and Benedict and before them, Conrad and Peter, you know, the list goes on and on. They have donated hours and hours of labor and equipment to the School Board. And I'm really happy for this opportunity to just get it on the record. Very kind. Sounds good. Okay. Thanks for that report. Yes, Scott. I'd like to make a motion to give the or allow that the $2,897.12 go to the... You're going to authorize the treasure to release it to them? I was just going to round it 2097 even. I think the moment we've talked about this before, it's good not to have numbers like this in the motion in case the numbers reported to us are in error. So the interest from the Carlton Smith Memorial Fund CD to the nearest... Okay. Great. We have a second? Sure. I'll second it. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. They do have it. Okay. So the next thing we have is... Enjoy. Our pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for the work. Bring back some more. Thank you all. Thank you so much. So I believe that the adjective you used, I just came to my mind, was vanilla. Vanilla, yes. Well, this is like... It's being elevated a little bit. It's a lot more interesting. It's like... This is vanilla ripping. It's a little more flavorful. Gotcha. It was vanilla, yes. Yes, vanilla. Very good. So the next item on the agenda is a September 30, 2023 monthly financial reporting package. Yeah. Michelle, how much do we have roughly invested in higher interest CDs? One million. And where are you going to work on? Yeah. It's kind of going like this right now. Yeah. No, no, no. I understand it's the cash flow, which is what you're... Yeah. But the estimated income is like $54,000 for that. So... What is the... What are they invested in? Infinex. CDs at this point. Oh, just CDs. Well, it's the money market too. So Vanguard and then three CDs. One's three months, six months and nine months. And those are CDs? CDs, which... Through Infinex. Yeah. Yeah. CDs are almost the same as T-Bots in interest rate. I mean, and they're investing them less than $250,000, so they're federal insurance. But the rates are like 5.4, 5.5. Which is comparable to T-Bots. But normal CDs that you get at the bank right now entirely, these are like... Yes, you can. If you look for them, you can get them. Oh. Absolutely. All right. Yeah. So... If you shop around... I'm sorry, but we're also talking about not $10,000 or $20,000. Yes, you have a lot more cloud. Exactly. Can the same account holder have multiple accounts less than $250,000 at the same institution that are all insured up to $250,000 by FDIC? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, if all... They're all separate. These CDs are not... No, this is not a CD. This is not four CDs with TD Bank. They're spread out. Well, they're invested. So one's a Citibank. Investment one's Orange Bank. Okay. Is there a difference in your question? Yeah. Oh, I see. Sorry. I have to be separate. Yes, you got it. Yes. Okay. Oh, they have to be separate. Yeah. If you have $10 million, you can't buy all CDs for one bank. Only one of them will be insured at $250,000. Okay. Okay. So that's why they're all... Okay. So the other thing I was going to ask you, you said something interesting for last meeting, we're talking about it, is you don't pay federal income tax on... The T-Bills. T-Bills. That's something different. Well, we don't pay tax, we're non-profits, we don't pay taxes. No, no, but an individual would not pay federal tax, or no, stay income tax on T-Bills. T-Bonds or T-Notes. Okay. Either one. Either the three. Short, medium, or long-term. If you buy a T-Bill, that will be 100% Vermont tax free. Okay. So you're already getting a... No, but it doesn't matter for me. Okay. Silly not to. If you are high enough tax bracket, I buy T-Bills, but anyway. But yes, it is advantageous in a high tax state like Vermont. Yeah. Right. And they are... And this is a little awesome. Yeah, it's your question. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So thinking back to where we were, where were we here? Michelle's report. Treasure report. No, no, not treasure report. Yeah. Who's managing our... Okay. So monthly financial reporting package where we're supposed to be talking about. Yeah. I'm not talking about the... You know, okay. So where are we talking about here? 21 pages. What's that? 21 pages. East Montpelier account, September 30th. Okay. Very good. Yeah. Lots of numbers. Okay. So is there anything that we, without reading through the whole thing, is there something we're supposed to be looking at? Something that jumps out at anybody? Is there an area in there? Yeah. Well, I mean, just so you guys know, like the M&T accounts on here, they're closed out. Yep. I added like the other NSB account that we had 168,000. That one's been closed and that money was moved into our regular main checking account. Consolidated. Yes. Consolidated. Sorry. Why are we doing that? And then we added the three CDs. Yeah. So now we have six CDs total. Which you can see at the bottom of page one. I see that. Yep. And then the money market's up there. So pretty basic. They're all doing pretty well. So the CDs there, the 12th, the Smith, the 73 CD, those are still in- They are. And we're going to move them. Okay. Yeah. That's on the plate. Because the security hasn't come up. Right. Right. So a little bit past. Well, they did and then they went by. Yeah. So now we're completing again. 14, 17, 18, 15, 22, that's it. Except it may be, they move us to... Take the penalty and just pull the money out. Correct. If you... Don't wait any longer. Yeah. If you guys want to do that, we can do that. Depending on financially, you would never be penalized the principle. It depends on what the hit would be to the potential interest. Well, there isn't much. And what do they penalize you when you take it out? It depends. It begs you different. Yeah. Okay. And it depends. And it depends on the customer, too. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. They might... Well, we'd probably be taking it out of North Country and having them in the next with NSC. That's not the foreseeable favors. Right. Yeah. They're not going to be... I mean, when I called her the other day, we were talking about removing the $2,897, the $2,800. And she's like, you could probably get better rates if we put these in and something else. And I said, I realized that. But I'm thinking that we want to move them out of there into... Michelle, you'll forget the numbers. I mean, if it pays to liquidate it and take a small hit to renew it at 5.5%, you'll do it. And if it doesn't, this is the decision you make. Well, it's something she can look into. Yeah. That was good. But it's on my plate, so... Good. Okay. Thank you. That was good. Okay, so going through the multi-page document that you present us with, we don't have time to read the whole thing. That's fine. So is there something you could draw or tend to do that? No, I just want to point out the bank accounts. No, no, that's fine. Sure. That's everything. But how about all these other pages? I mean, is there something that should be liquidated? Like, it's very small, but the rally day fund. Yeah, I wondered about that, because we don't do that. That were... We've talked about doing that. The same thing about the audit last year. Yeah. Questioning the... How much is in that? Because we're still allocating interest. There's $682.82. Right. We talked about that before. Like the previous year. And we've earned $1.73. Yeah. We should just do away with that. Unless you're going to... Put it into general fund. Put it into your reserve account. Wow, we already have a huge... Just, I mean, just to clean things up. Yeah. We can always allocate something to a future rally day fund if people come back and say we want to do that. Well, yeah, but that would be a request that somebody would make, and that's not a problem. Yeah. It's kind of like just Sandy Pines. It's over half a million dollars. Sandy Pines is the one we talked about. That's done. That's all done. That's all done. Yeah. That's down street now. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, next to the steering. Yeah. Cleaning some of this stuff would be helpful because just having these small things on the list is work for the treasurer for three months. That's the key interest to them. Yeah. Yeah. It's... It's for the money. To waste of lives. Anything else besides rally days? Jim, go get some of those funds and maybe let us know. Yeah, I can look at them more. And how... Sure. I know rally days. How you would like to see some of that cleaned up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can do that. Sure. I mean, I think that's the only one we don't use though. And some of the stuff you put into money market funds. So, you know, like Dallery and other ones. I know this is starting to chop it up and maybe a nightmare for you, but... Are you thinking you want to invest more money in... Well, at these rates, it's real money. I mean, you take another half a million dollars, it's another 25 grand. It may even be worth for diversification purposes. Talk to them in North Country and see what other options they may have for us. Sometimes they'll weigh penalties and whatnot if you're sticking with them. And it may not hurt. I mean, if it's not too much work for you, not consolidating it. I'm trying to just do as little bank statements as I can. No, that makes perfect sense. I mean, this is not a million dollars sitting there. Yeah. It may not be, but... Okay. Yeah, I mean, the answer is yes, if we can. That doesn't make your life miserable to have... Okay. All over this place, but it's real money now. You know, we can pack away at getting rid of some of those little accounts and take the rally day down, blah, blah. Yeah, I don't know the rest. The rest of this stuff looks like it's legit. Restoration fund. But that's funny. That's still very active. Right, the rest of these look like they're all real stuff. Anything else? Anything else out of here? I don't see myself. No. Okay. A lot of pages. Thank you for bringing it up. A lot of pages. Sorry. Thank you for giving us the tools we need for due diligence. Yeah. Whether or not we choose to do it. Try to make the otters happy. And thank you for trying to raise as much money in these markets as you can. Okay. So we probably ought to move on because now we're learning to be fine. And I did have a request from a select board member that we move along quickly. Or two. Okay. So we're done with a monthly financial reporting package. Is that right? Yeah. The link with tax. So now we're moving to the link with tax collector report. Discussion of potential tax sale. So you have something to say? I do. Yeah. Okay. So we had 10 taxpayers that went to tax sale with Jim Barlow originally. So four have not responded at all. I've heard nothing from four of them. So they're definitely going. Two paid most of their balance, but they didn't pay all of it. So it's not a huge amount left, but because they're still, they didn't pay what they're supposed to pay, they're still going to go. Yeah. Three taxpayers I have on payment plans. Yeah. And I did talk with Jim Barlow about that. And he said, he said, if they, if they don't follow the plan, because they're supposed to make their payment every month by the 10th. Yeah. And that's a set payment to get those balances paid off within 12 months. Right. If they don't, then they'll go to tax sale next year. Yeah. Because we're not going to mess around with that. So. Yeah. And one taxpayer paid in full. Okay. So he wants to know, Mr. Barlow needs to be authorized to take the next steps. And my feeling is that we should take them all that have not paid all their balance, the tax sale. Okay. Even those who are on payment plans? Not paying plans. No. The four that did not pay and the two that paid almost all, but not all. I think those six should definitely go to tax sale. Both under $200 though, it sounds like it's going to be. But I feel like it should be fair. Like we started the process three years. Some of them are out three years. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're probably not that valuable. Right. And they paid illegal expenses? Well, that's, there's a whole thing. I'm like, did you read what I, there's a whole thing about how that. It's a little tricky. So I'm sorry, I was right. I didn't want to read it for you. Okay. We don't have to, we still can read your story. So in that case, what happens is some of these, there is the cost. But with the value of the property really low and they're not, they owe really low, the costs aren't always captured in a tax sale. And secondly, somebody might not even buy the properties if they're so deteriorated in an important condition or their mobile home on a least piece of property. And then the town ends out having to, having to buy that property to tax sale. And then has to either work with, continue to work with a property owner to pay off to taxes or they have to sell or the town takes over the mobile home and either destroys it, sends it away or outsells it. That's a real danger. It happens. It happens all the time. In my experience, we had a situation where we ended out selling the mobile home to someone else. And another situation, we ended out having to tear down the mobile home. Yeah. And that was fairly, it was costly. But if you don't do that, you're sending a message to other people why bother to pay my taxes. It's basically a principle. And some people just, just not everybody, but just a few people who know how to do this sort of thing. Yeah. So you have to, yeah, you follow through the process. So my recommendation being to move ahead, even if it's a small amount. I thought when I first looked at it and saw it was under 300, obviously, you know, but then I saw it was three years. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then I have, I have one other question. Are we going to take a vote on that? Or just if I can send this authorize you to do that. Okay. I just see allows it anyway, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to point out that my understanding of our discussion of our practice is that we don't post online information about property owners who are in arrears or are going to tax sale and this was posted online. So I believe the way to handle it is by email to select board members, isn't that what we decided? It's tough because it's historically prior to last year at the entire report was constantly put on the website. Yeah. Yeah. And it can't be, but you chose not to. I believe we chose not to do that. Because it pops public. It's going to be public anyway. So it just starts to get very confusing. It's going to be advertised on the newspaper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was one reason. My understanding of our decision earlier was that we were not going to put this stuff on the web. Is that right? That's good. Yeah. It was, but again, our thought was because once it's going to tax sale, it becomes a matter of public record. But the select board hadn't decided at the point that this was. We can remember the document. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Maybe you ought to have something in writing that says the policy from the select board relative to. That would actually. And then any time you have a transition of employees, they could look back at that policy on tax sales and making it public or not making it public. It's as much our fault for not doing that as it is their fault. Presumably it's in our minutes. But. Well, again, it's fine that it's not. So we probably should do an adjustment to the policy. And outline exactly how we want this to put it in. That would be helpful. Okay. I have one more question before you go. So we still have other people though that are on our tax sale, not the tax sale, but on the Delaney's one tax list that are out one year. Though not the current year, but the year before last year. And how would you guys feel about me preparing a payment template payment agreement template and mailing them out to everybody that was not on the tax sale list, but is delinquent and saying, you know, I'd like to talk to you about getting on a plan and starting to get people. Oh yeah. I think it's a great idea. Okay. That's perfect. It gives them a chance to get moving forward on this before it goes down the road to the park. Yeah. And we've all, we have done that before. Okay. Yeah. Proactivist, yeah. Yeah. And our pay down are going back to the way down. Yeah. I think that yeah. Yeah, I think it's good. Wow. That's a great word. I'm going to be removing your letters in the select board as well because there remains a time. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Then I sound higher docked. Thank you. No. No, you're not that. Let me check if you can tell me to do. You're all set. I'm all set. I'm all set. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. You're all set. Are all set. We're all set. You're all set. Don't be upset. No. You're fucking upset. You're all set here. All right. See you guys later. Okay. Nice. Okay. The next item on our agenda is the VOCV5 or 2023 annual report. So many times I thought they would be here. Oh, yeah. They don't have to be. All right. Representative, I think. Yeah. I don't think, you know. We could take this up again next meeting and invite them to come. Well, I just like, yeah, we could do that. I mean, what does this tell us? It tells us they put in 240 miles of fiber. They've got access to 240 miles of fiber and 2,100 properties. We'll leave it at it. No, construction will be another 240. They've already done 200. Oh, 200. I saw 200 earlier when I agreed. 240 is. What they wanted for. By the end of the year, they will have done. Yeah. Have they, do we know if they've actually started functioning? They're not functioning at all. So even though they ran to these people's houses, there's no, there's no Wi-Fi. So that would be a good question for them. That's, that's when I had. Yeah. Okay. And I also want to know what, they've got the towns here, but they haven't, have they completed one whole town? I'd best like to know that. Right. I'm curious about whether there's any functioning Wi-Fi in East Montpelier yet. You mean fiber? Yeah. Yeah. From them. From them. Yeah. Well, you want to, you want to invite them to come next meeting, John? Well, I'm not a big inviter, but I guess, yeah, we would like to do that. Or at least add just a quick. Yeah. I mean, they could send us a note and then, well, I think it's just as well for them to come here. Is that, we think of new questions when they answer. Well, it's usually our representatives. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are they, do you think they're, they're not going to approach us for funding or anything? No, we already gave Mark a month. Right. I know, but still they could come back this year and say, hey. They might. No, I doubt it. It's like, I guess you could ask them that. Okay. They've, it's not a lot of money. They've got 19 million that they got out of the Montpelier broadband. That's a long one. 18 million has been received and expended or obligated. Okay. Yeah. Oh, is that Christmas music? Cheese. Okay. Cheese. So you want to have Tom Fisher come in and. I don't know what you guys think. Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. Those are good questions. Let's not come in. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. So we review the report. Update on town drive RFP. That's you and I, John. Wow. So we have been working with Kathleen. Kathleen Dent. We've met with her a couple of times and you've developed the RFP and Shapiro has been active with us. And we've pretty much finalized it. I've read through it. It's, it's fine. Yeah. And he's fine with it. And he's though that Danny has a lot of not so much common sense, but a lot of input in there. Yeah, Andy had a lot. Yeah, yeah. A couple of times. Is he fine with the current draft? I believe he is. Yeah, he, he was more commenting on the list of where it would be sent. And also he was commenting on who, yeah, who we're sending to because he was more just wanting to send design. And then we all, and Kathleen was thinking to send it to design build up. Okay. And send it to engineering firms as well, just to give them a heads up because they may be interested in doing a civil part of it. Yeah. Okay. Who, who provided most of the input for this? Was it Guthrie? All of us. All of us. So you guys came up and said we need 8,750 square feet based on the size of it. The number of trucks that. Yeah. The base, the number of, the piece of equipment. Yeah. Piece of equipment. Okay. Yeah. Just bigger than what we have. Because the one we have now can't hold. The trucks are getting so large with the plows. Everything. And they're so bigger, bigger. This is big enough for moving around. And, you know, there's nothing saying that whoever wins a contract to do the design can't come back and say, you know, hey, maybe this ought to be a little bigger and this might want to be a little smaller. Is there going to be, are you going to tailor it? This is generally what. Got to be like live with. Hey, you came up with this. Yeah. Got to. We talked to Guthrie. So some of you are not an architect. No, no, no, that's what we're going to hire. But we looked at other, Guthrie's gone around, looked at other. And we didn't do that. And we didn't do it. Yeah, measuring. So some of the earlier discussion was about station one and whether to change its function at all. And if you guys were excited to see that for another day. That's not going to do the RFB. I did talk to fire station about what their needs were for the future. So, you know, that needs some work. They would like us out of there because we're taking up part of it with some of our equipment. They have the ATV, they want to store, blah, blah, blah. So I had talked to the fire department a couple of times about it and they were going to bring it to the board about their future needs. So, okay. But there's nothing that's really irrelevant to the RFB for our building because we don't really have room on the site to put more bays on for fire equipment. So that's going to have to be a separate discussion. So is the idea that would you remind me which town equipment is now stored in? We have some equipment in there. I can't get away with it. Is the idea that that equipment would get moved over into the new, bigger garage? Yeah. Okay. And then we'd give up that space and then what they asked me about was whether they could put their ATV in there. I'm like, yeah, yeah, but we were also talking about your future needs. If you, you know, they're like, well, blah, blah. So we don't really know. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And then you advertise this and you put it as in public, but any rough idea on how many or who may pick up this RFP. We don't know, but the thing is that advertising is kind of an important component of this whole thing. Where do you put it out? And then who's going to respond? And there is a, there is a, there is a mechanism to put this on a state website. Yes. For contracts. Yeah. It's reviewed by. And Kathleen was going to do that. Yeah. She's going to put it out and then we're going to list our name of it. We're going to list our analysis for responding and probably the town. So that became a question. Right. That's a question. Because our policy states, once a deadline for bid proposals has passed, a town administrator is authorized to open the bids prior to select boards review and approval in order to expedite the board's review. So that was a question I had in the latest email of that's what the policy states. This document is currently stating it goes to three individuals. Right. It doesn't matter to me. It's just we need to be clear on it. When that policy was written, probably there wasn't as much Wi-Fi. People didn't have the email capabilities and stuff like that. And it came, it wasn't that long ago. You got these packets in the mail. Yeah. And it would send 10 packets. And you'd pass them out to your team and to the select board. But now since it can go to all these different groups, just the different areas, it'd be people, the ones that are on the team. I think that maybe being, it's appropriate. So we'll. But we'd like to, we'd like to have it saved, have that material held somewhere. And it shouldn't be held between us two. No, yeah. In the town. That's why we put it. No, I mean, I had a folder on our network. All of these documents would be housed. But it would probably be you or someone in this office that would just take the general information and summarize it for each bid. There's no one else in this office other than me that does anything like that. Oh, okay. We can respond to the question, but Kathy was going to help us with that. Yes. Yeah, I would request that we ask Kathleen if she could help us on information because I don't have capacity. No, she was, she was, she was willing to do that. I'm sorry. So the responses is that we have to have responses that are standard across the board. Uh huh. We can't have it. And she's got a radio system. It's not very good criteria here. But the thing about this RFP is we're going to get it out the door ASAP because we want to have site visits November 20th before snow was on the ground. Right. So that's how we were thinking. Is there any approval process going forward or we just have, we just send it out? Select board needs to approve it, but we can do that tonight. We have it. Sure. I would put it on the website tomorrow, create a very, I mean, what would go to Times Argus? I'll have to see how quickly they can get it into the paper. But. Kathleen's going to do some of that too. What about those? I'll have to touch base with her to see what she would do. Yeah, she'll do it on the, on the state website. It is a state. Yeah. If she could contact the website. Great. But I could send with Times Argus, it's short and sweet. It's literally going to be a, the town has an RFP for this. Here's a link to our website. Go get the information. Obviously this isn't going into Times Argus. Right, right. It would be very costly. And then what about the, what about the engineering firms? And then from there, it's how we want to communicate exactly. You know, it's. Well, we just got to get it out to the list and then we're going to put the three email address. It'd be pretty easy just to email the different engineering firms if you want to do that. Andy sent me that, sent that pair of down lists. So I think I would use that list. And email again, it would be everybody would get the exact same email. And do we have an architect? People through our website. Who are the architects? That's what he sent you. That's what he sent you. That's what he sent you. That's what he sent you. That's what he sent you. That's what he sent you. That's what he sent you. And then you haven't met, you have a civil engineering. That's true. He only commented that the other list was a bit, it had kind of more, that it wasn't quite the right skillset. So he created the list that was more fine-tuned to the skillset that we need for this purpose. Because he would kind of like, didn't like the design built firms that were. No, you don't have to go all that way. Yeah. Well, in the end, it's going to be public. Anyone can submit regardless. So that's what the approval process is now. So you, Scott asked how many we would expect to get back, I guess, or how many would be, well, some of us always manage the district. We just did this. Yeah. We got four. Yeah. That's manageable. Two engineering firms, an architectural firm, and then one firm that decided to do both engineering and architectural services and gave it one package for the cost. Because we're looking at a lot of civil engineering that had to be done before we could move ahead. Yeah. So we broke up the architectural part and the civil engineering part. Yeah. So we're hoping to get some. But so we took one, yeah. So we got one, the one package where they came together, we hired them. We won some competitions. Right. So what we're going to do, because we didn't want to burden Gina with all this, is John and I are going to try to meet with Kathleen and work with the responses. Well, thank you. Yeah, thank you. So that's how we're approaching. Good. Yeah. But we wanted Gina to get all the information because we want to create a town folder or whatever. Well, it'll actually, there will actually be a notice for this. Similar to a select board meeting notice that's going to get posted in this office. Right. That's great. Same thing where everything else is posted. Public. Perfect. So I just have one question. There's a line in here saying that town is in the process of completing a boundary line adjustment. Yeah. Is that, has that been started? I don't believe it has. Okay. But we should do that. Okay. We're in a process. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not just with the process. So we're going to talk to the zoning administrator about that. Right. Maybe, who else would it, wouldn't be planning it when it wouldn't be the DRV? No, zoning. I know, but I'm just thinking of people. Well, someone's going to have to throw all the new. Right. So that would be like a chase to chase or a firm of that nature. So we're asking them. Yeah. So that's included in the RFP. So no, no, we didn't put any, we just said we're working on it. Kathleen wants, she thinks that needs to be resolved. It does. Then if it needs to be resolved, we need to talk to the zoning administrator about what's the process for moving ahead with that. Yeah. And I, and why I mentioned the DRV is that just folks on there, they've gone through this before. So they know the process. Better probably than our zoning administrator. No, the DRV doesn't have to do a boundary adjustment. Bruce used to do this on his own. The zoning administrator is going to approve a boundary. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if she knew the process. That's all. But you're just looking at it, right? She's right. Yeah. Okay. We can just look it up. So let's authorize the zoning administrator to move ahead with a boundary adjustment while we're at it. We need, yeah. So we need to understand what that means. I don't know that she can, again, when they come into this office, I've only seen this once in my time here, a map came in from a surveyor that said we're altering a boundary line. That permit request goes to the zoning administrator. The zoning administrator is not doing it. The zoning administrator is reviewing it. Right. And it's allowing it to have. I'm giving the select board needs to make the permit request on behalf of the tone. Yeah. I mean, I, so I don't, this isn't something necessarily, and frankly, that can become a conflict in my opinion for the zoning administrator to be doing this. This should be submitted to the zoning administrator for review. So the question is, is there a firm that could We'd have to get some. Yeah. So do the service. So I arise the town manager and move ahead with hiring. Chase and Jake to go out and do that. I can call Christopher and clock. And what do we tell them that we want to do with the boundary line? I don't know what parameters adjusted. So it's beyond just the new law to the town, for example, will, will encompass the, will be enlarged to the bound to be moved to allow the entire current building and grounds to be on one lot with all, with all setbacks. It is right now, right? Right. It's not, not right now. Yeah. Well, I guess, I guess it is right now. It's a red line, right? Yeah. But we've got little, we've got little buildings right here. Yeah. And that one right there, that's a building too. So they're approaching them. But what? I don't know. Setbacks or building or something. Doesn't matter. And also it just needs to be in a fashion of where we want this boundary line adjustment to be. That's what I was asking. We, you know, And we can stay out of the wetland. Well. Yeah. Stay out of the wetland on one hand and provide. The wetland doesn't matter. So I think. Encompass everything. Right now it matters. And then we'll put them on a cushion to the wetland. And leave it on the end of the lot. So I think this is where, if it's chase and chase that I reach out to, those that have been working on this project and are closer to it, need to probably speak with them about. Yeah. I can do it. We're trying to. John, I can do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no problem. Yeah. It doesn't have to be moved that much. Because the last thing we want to do is move the line somewhere. And then when the architecture design firm comes in, and we're still outside of that line. Yeah. So if we could just reach out to them, we can meet with. Yeah. ASAP. But. You looking at me? No. I'm looking at the map. So I moved to authorize a town administrator to release the request for proposals for architecture. Architectural and engineering services for a town highway garage. For bidding by qualified firms. Is that about how it should be written? We're not sure. I'll second it. Great. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. Now, we don't need a motion for the chase and chase phone call. Do we? No. We're not sending anybody. No. Well, I hope we spend money for them. We will eventually. Yeah. That's enough for a phone call. Yeah. Yeah. If we do, we'll send money for them. Now, we could get somebody else too, but I don't know. I find people now. By consensus, we're authorizing. Moving forward. Yeah. I don't realize it. Yeah. Just so you know. Yes. In case. Chase and chase. That's the one I'm from. I've had other surveyors work for me in the past. I have to go. Yeah. But chase and chase have been working for the town. So hopefully they can do it. Okay. So the next item on agenda is update on July storm damage and FEMA reimbursement. Really quick. It's just continuing. I meet with FEMA on a weekly basis. Working through going, going through all of Guthrie's notes. We did submit everything for the first project, which is the emergency protective measures. That is basically the work that was essentially done. Kind of the night of the flood and into the next morning. In addition to the work on Sodom home, I spare a farm road. And then we have a total of 10 projects under the FEMA event for the July flood. And I'm working through all of them. Very good. Also with Sandra's circle, is that going to be how much longer? That we have to find an engineer for. So next year. I'm right now to your point. One firm has responded back to me for that inquiry. Okay. What I'm hearing is I don't have time. Sorry. Okay. So next item is consideration of town office network cabling quote. So this is to try to eliminate all the dragging lines that we have in every office within this office. Every workspace. So this is to actually create receptacles and receptacles on the wall that the lines would feed into instead of all of us that have lines running all over our floor with switches to connect to our devices. The other piece with this is to run. And this is something I need to let forward to global because this would be going to the floor of this meeting room is to add receptacle one for networking cables to the center of the meeting room. In addition, I would call an electrician to come and have an electrical outlet as well because then we can eliminate the cords that extend from the wall. Yeah, nice. So this is really something in working with RV tech. What we have now is it's not great for a number of reasons. Number one is trip hazards. Number two, when there is an issue, we literally just have holes drilled through the wall and a cord has been pulled through it, plugged into a switch that a whole bunch of cords are plugged into to then power all of our network devices in the office. So if we have an issue, it's tough to troubleshoot. It's a lot harder to deal with. So this just kind of modernizes the building some and will make this a lot more efficient. And I love the safety factor we could get in this room with this process. Yeah. Does it make sense when we put a new electrical outlet to have built-in USB outlets in them as well? Seems like that's becoming more standard. I'm not sure. I've never seen that in a floor. I've seen it in a walled floor either. But either way, we'd probably still have a surge protector coming up through that outlet. And most all my surge protectors won't have the USB. I actually prefer that than the wall, personally. But yeah, I like this. I have seen in other work the importance of having maps of how things are connected together. That's a good problem. So I would ask that the contractor also, having done the work, then do us an as-built drawing so we can get an overview of what's connected. Well, it's going to be very clear. It's going to go down to a labeled basically box in the basement of all the lines that are coming in. That's part of the point of this. So it's going to be like a wall. It's right now RV Tech. Yeah, RV Tech. It's again, it's these single lines going everywhere. You're just trying to trace it through and figure out which one it is. Yeah, I didn't know how hard that can be. Yeah, that's what we're trying to eliminate. Yeah, okay. Sounds good. And the money would come out of our... I would use our bus. Our bus. Okay. Sales total taxes. The taxes would go away. That's just on the quote we hadn't communicated. That's just standard. Yeah. Okay. I actually wrote it in the memos that the taxes were obviously not. I would provide the necessary form that the tax would be removed. Yeah. I'd like to make a motion. What's that? Go ahead, Zoe. I would like to make a motion to authorize Gina Jenkins accept the quote for using ARPA funds to pay for the new electrical wires. Network. Network cable. Network cables. Well, plus an additional amount for an electrician to add a floor receptacle to this room. Correct. Okay. I haven't reached out to an electrician yet because number one, when I reach out to them, that's not something I'll get a quote for. I'll just come do it. Yeah. So. That may not be practical, but we couldn't put it out for the day, or there's no... It's below a value. Yeah. It's below the value to do it. Number one. And number two, this vendor came to us through RV Tech who walked around with this vendor to actually do the specific... You feel comfortable with this thing. This is actually the exact price I retek. Estimated that it would be before the quote came in. Usually it's... It was actually with someone that did not engage with the contractor. Just so you know, there's a person that did our phone system. Okay. He actually wasn't involved in the process of getting the quote. Okay. I second the motion. So any more discussion? Who would explain? Should we stop the sequence? No, I don't think so. Okay. Just from experience lately, reaching out to three people usually yields you one result. Well, I know it's really hard to talk to people. But at least you didn't take any... You know what I mean? Because it's not a case in the company that you're just going to use the IZSDM, but particularly the IZSDM. And really, this is below... This is below the policy requiring any kind of additional bid. Sounds good. Any further discussion? All the paper, please stand up. All right. All right. So are you clear to have it or do you have it? All right. We're going to do this. Oh, we are? Okay. Consideration of invitation for Vermont 250th anniversary resolution. So we've got that. I'll make a motion. Okay. I need to make a motion. Does it need to be discussed? Sure. After... It does, depending on what action. Yes. Like what is it that your motion... Like what are we doing? Yeah, exactly. Okay. So I read through the stuff. So the, you know, what do you call it? The template, the example motion would say that we would authorize such and such committee. We don't have a committee at this point. So the decision we need to make tonight as I see it is, do we want to go forward, reach out to the historical society? I think you put that in the annotated agenda and others and see if they want to be part of this. And I'd say the governor has set a goal of having all the towns and cities in Vermont participate in this. And I don't see why we should be an exception. I talked to Sandal Kate, the historical society, and she said she didn't know anything about it, but, you know, she likes that sort of thing. And would like to be, would like to find out more about it. So I think the historical society is probably the logical one to start with. Yeah. Maybe we can allocate the $628 from the rally fund for this future. Seriously. Then we have to keep it on the books in a separate account. Yeah, we don't really know if it's going to be expense. Yeah. What's the expense? Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you have a celebration, you can always stay the face where it goes. So I keep that aside to reach the rich state. So I don't know, we need a motion. But if we're okay by consensus, ask the town administrator to reach out to the historical society and determine next steps. I guess then we're going to establish a committee. We're in principle willing to fill out that form and pass the resolution in the future. Once we get players identified, yeah. Okay. See, we didn't need a lot of discussion. What's that? We didn't need a lot of discussion. I'm happy to reach out to the historical society. But we don't really have a motion. Wait, wait. What's that? What's that? I was happy to reach out to the historical society to take something off Gina's. There you go. Yeah, that's a good idea. Thank you. Yeah. Great. Thank you. Our town administrator, thanks you. Obviously. Yeah. I'll be happy to have a front page. I'm saying thank you. Oh, I know that. I just, you're writing. I'm just trying to take an extra load off of you to thank our esteemed select board members. So we don't really have enough information to make the resolution. No. This sounds pretty preliminary. Yes. Okay. Sounds good. So the next item is consideration of letter of support for faithful co-op. Uh, the head of the co-op, or let's say who is that? Who is the head? Yeah, director? Yeah, I think it's the director. Send me an email and ask if I can pass this on the select board. They're looking to get a grant and they just need a letter of support, which they already, which they wrote actually. They sent it to us. Do you have that letter? Yes. Yeah, right here. Yeah, I know. There's support, yeah. Do we get a motion for this? Do we, do we know anything about their proposal to buy it? Yeah, tell us more. They're trying to buy it. Yeah, what are they planning to do with it? Are they going to close down right away, expand it? No, they're going to keep the hardware as it is. They'll probably be getting more local food in, as they do with their location in Plainfield. I think they're going to be giving up on that building. That building's really small. Yeah. So they'll have, it's just a better location for them. It's bigger. And they'll have more room to offer more food. So they're going to keep the hardware section? Yeah. Yeah. They're going to keep the hardware section and they'll be. Yeah, that's valuable. More opportunities for local food to be soft there. That's great. They have to have oil down too. And the greenhouse and stuff? I don't know what they're doing with the greenhouse. They didn't really say anything to me about that. They're carrying all of their stuff. What's that? It's like meat, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You can get a sandwich, you can get nails. Yeah. So I think that they're playing to keep the stuff they do have there, but it'll be a better selection of local food, what they told me today. Mm-hmm. What they're doing, but they're going to close them. I think so. I mean, I used to sell them a lot of beef and stuff, and I used to go in there. It was pretty small and pretty tight. Yeah. So I believe that's going to be close. Yeah. Well, the exposure was going to be close. Yeah. Sounds like a great idea to me. I mean, it's too bad that the Plainfield Village loses that, you know, walkable grocery store there. Yeah, true. That's not our responsibility. Yeah, that is true. It's not exactly their success. Yeah. No, it's had, it's had problems. Yeah. Yeah. Do we need a motion for this? I think we do. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Make a motion to endorse or to get this letter. Some of that sign it, or authorize. Authorize the government administrator to send. Both of these both of us. I think I will authorize the chair. Okay. Chair. To sign the letter to the Vermont Housing and Conservation Board and the Rural Economic Development Initiative. Yeah. That's just, that's just what I was going to say. Yeah. Very good. So we have a second on that? I'll second it. Oh, we have a second? That's right. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Do I appear to have it or do I have it? Disciastically. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now we have the appointments. How do we skip ahead? How do we get ahead of ourselves so quick? Because we're just doing business now. Okay, very good. Appointment is only administrator. So let's read it. So what's the, what's the word here? So to appoint Makayla Hanger, she's ready to go. That's permit she needs to sign tomorrow. I'll make a motion to appoint the zoning administrator. Zoe? I think you need to say the name. Zoe, what's her last name? Makayla. Makayla Hanger. Oh. Makayla Hanger. Hello. I get a little scared. I get scared. Hi, Zoe. I get scared. Is that what you want to be bought? You don't want to be bought. Would you like to be? You don't want to be bought. Yes, Makayla. Makayla, Makayla, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hanger. Hanger. Okay, well, it's not stated here. Are you challenged phonetically or what? Is it with that effective date today? Yeah. And remind me how long the appointment is for? The three year? It's a one year appointment. Yeah. Okay. So it'll be through June 30. Okay. It wasn't on, it's not on the website. That's what I've been reading. It's in the memo. You have to read in the memo. It's like one memo. Oh, our memo. Okay. Well, I was reading. I was reading the classes today. Okay. So do we have as I can for Scott's motion? Well, so we go ahead. No. Okay. I'll second the motion. Okay. Thank you for saving me. Is your name Zoe Makayla? Wow. Any further discussion? No. I hope not. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have to do 100. Okay. All right. So, first front application 23-042 on the county road. Oh, so that recently sold? Undeveloped at this point. Correct. No culprits. We'll be drawing from chase and chase. No culprits needed. Guthrie has, I'm a few times on this. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. I move to approve permit 23-042 for a curb cut. And Seth, you have the original of the there. Oh, this is there right here. So, you can sign now. Oh, that's right. I second my esteemed colleagues' motion. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. They do have it. I will sign here. And pass it around. Today is 11-6-2023. John, would you like to sign? If we pass it around? Currently. Thank you very much. There you go. Third cut application warrants. They're right here. We also have the additional item. Oh, yes. The no before quote. Here you go. The additional item, I think we've got warrants. Which I've already signed. I move that to authorize, if I may, to authorize the town administrator to accept the quote of 104750 from no before diamond level cybersecurity training and to submit for reimbursement to VLCT. I'll second that. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. They do have it. Okay. And that was out of business. The warrants are here. Thank you. And now administrative report. Who we have? Pretty short and sweet. Except that's the board of civil authority decision, not decision, dated October 3rd, 2023 has been appealed by the landowner. So the borrower has been notified, basically, which has been a holding problem until we receive information from the court. And there were three zoning applications, not two, since the last meeting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Switched with ADU conditions. ADU, Accessory Dwelling Unit. Yeah. Fair cut. It's been popular lately. Now that's going in. There's a meeting date. Number four. There's a meeting date. Thank you very much. Judy. Maybe I misheard you or forgot. It says here two, there are three listed, but did you say there are actually four? They're right. They're three. Okay. I'm just saying that they are two. Got it. Okay. And is there a reason that February 26th is highlighted in gray? Yeah. That was really just for the last meeting. I think it's because it's been written, I think, this Friday, Wednesday. So that's a problem. Right. That's not the. Right. Right. The January 8th is. It's not the typical one. It's been three weeks. And they're also off there in gray. So I was trying to think of a lot of things there. Well, I think they're missing right from last meeting. Uh-huh. Failed to remove the highlight. Got it. Got it. I get a look at that. And I skip the lovings. I don't think we should over those. I just want to understand it. I don't want to hold it against anybody. Okay. Wow. It's 8 o'clock. I'm making a look in there that we could possibly adjourn this meeting. I moved to amend to stay here until 8.30 when we're supposed to be done. I don't want to shirk our business. Then I'll see you next meeting. A meeting may end for the actual quorum. I'm sitting here alone. So you made the motion to adjourn? Yes. Is there a second? Second. Oh, there's a second. Any further? Oh, I don't have to say that. You don't have to do anything. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Can you just adjourn without voting? Yes. Yes, the chair can just adjourn the meeting, I think. Oh, can you adjourn? Yes.