 We're asking our callers today, if you could write your own immigration policy for your country or for another country, what kind of immigration rules do you think would be fair? Now, of course, with Indonesia we know from the news you have the issue with Australia sending people, migrants back, and I know there's a lot of debate and dispute between Indonesia and Australia over immigration policy. So what are your thoughts? I want to go proud. Yes, that's Australia. I want to be a worker there, but no, I have been preparing my English. I think my English is not good, right? Well, no, it's very good. So what are you, are you seeking the right to travel legally to Australia? I mean, is that the route you and you're thinking of of doing this, you know, legally applying for a right to travel and live in Australia? Oh, sorry, but I a little bit understand what your question is. That's okay. If you go to Australia, how will you go? Will you go legally with a visa? Will you go another way? Oh, yes. No, actually, no, I have been looking for someone that recommend me and what should I do there and what job I should for me for, for instance, be a worker in the first run and no, I'm blind and don't know what to do because I haven't experienced go drought. Have you, I mean, is, is this idea of, I know some people try to get there illegally. They get on a boat. They pay someone to try to no, no, no, no, you would not, you would, you're not thinking of the being the going out of smuggling or trafficking. Yes. Yes. I use the passport maybe to immigration and I maybe get permit from Australia embassy like that. For the Indonesians who, who cannot get a passport from the embassy and they choose to go to Australia on a boat, what, how, how should they be treated when they get to Australia? You mean a go Australia by boat? If a person goes by boat and lands in Australia illegally, how should Australia treat that person? What should they do with that person? What do you think? That's an illegal person. I think the Australian government first must take an action. These are the terrorists, are the, I'll say that, criminal, right, crime person, all right. So also Indonesia, Indonesia about two months ago, they were immigrants from Myanmar. And now in Myanmar, they were, they are in war, right? And they were through away by their own government. And the Myanmar person, they arrived in our city, Ache province, Indonesia. But our society and our government receive them well and our society treat them well and give food and something like the dress and et cetera. Today we were talking about immigration and Afghanistan, of course, has had years of conflict, years of war, and many people have moved around the country and also out of the country. And so we're, we're getting ideas from people about what laws or policies should help govern the movement of people inside a country. As I have seen in the countries, it is a trend of all developing developing countries about external immigration that all the developing countries, especially Asian and African countries, people are willing to move to US or a European countries. And inside the country, the most of the people, especially in Afghanistan, all the people are trying to move from the provinces to Kabul because in here is a capital, the employment situation is good in here, the education, the schools and other opportunities that have the center. The capital, it's not in the provinces, especially in Afghanistan. So the people are just always trying and it's clear that now in Kabul, six million people are living in Kabul. The Kabul is just on, the Kabul, when Kabul was built, it was for only for 50,000 people. But now, unfortunately, here it is a big problem, the rush of the population in Kabul. There must be a lot of stress on the people and the services and transportation. Yeah, it's clear that the problem with the transportation, you say the trust, because different kinds of people are living in here. And there is lots of people that are not aware of the city culture. I mean, when they are coming from the rural areas, so they are not ready to live in a city, so they are trying, they are misusing from the cities opportunities. So actually getting back to Kate's original question, which was about, when you said about rules governing movements within a country, so what about, are there policies from the Kabul government, I mean, can anyone move to the capital or are there policies that are trying to help improve development outside Kabul so fewer people will want to migrate? What's the situation? Yeah, no, unfortunately still, the government is very busy for ensuring security. So they haven't thought about this problem. If you were a government advisor, what would you suggest they do to help support all those six million people that you were talking about? I think the security problem is the most important phenomenon in Kabul and Afghanistan, because except Kabul, maybe two provinces that are here at Amazar, 34 provinces are insecure, not secure, and the people are first the reason that people are willing to leave their province, their real, their places, homes, and come to a capital security. You know that in the northern and southern provinces of Afghanistan, they don't let the girls to go to the school. They are boarding their schools and the people cannot study. Also, there is no university and as well as jobs and employment. So the people are, I think the first reason, the first work that should be done to make people to go back to the provinces is ensuring of security. Up to that time that we couldn't, up to that time that the provinces are not secure, so that people will not move back to the provinces. And after when the security ensured, I'm sure that after ensuring security, the schools will be open, the people, the projects, the development projects will be start on the provinces and employment will be available on there. And this time, there are lots of projects that are stopped because of insecurity. I am a monk, a Buddhist monk from Vietnam. I come from Vietnam, but right now I'm in Thailand. I'm going to study here for four years. You are going to study in Thailand for four years? Yes. So how is the adjustment? How are you adjusting to a different country and different people? Yeah, it's fantastic. Do you want to come here? Everything here is different with Vietnam. It's so hard for the first time, but now it's okay. You said it was hard in the first time. What was difficult? Yeah, it's so difficult for me about language. In Thailand, the first difficulty is the English, the language. And the second difficulty for me is the food. It's so hard for me. I come from Vietnam. In Vietnam, Buddhism is not in Mahayana. And the monk in Vietnam, it's only vertebrate and vegetarian food, no meat, no fish. But in Thailand, it's a lot of Buddhism. The monk in Thailand every morning, they go on food, collect food. And the people will give the monk food, everything they give, maybe meat, fish, rice, milk, everything. And the monk in Thailand, they can eat everything, but they never eat afternoon. Only one or two meals a day for breakfast and for lunch, never, never have a dinner. It's for me, I can have it two meals a day, okay, but it's so hard for me to admit of it. So that's the difference, it's so hard for me. What kind of laws do you think would be fair? Should people be allowed to move wherever they wish? Should governments have greater control over borders? What are your thoughts? To go abroad to study in order to study and to to learn more. You would, so you would make laws to help students go abroad to study? Yeah, that's it. So right now in your country, are students not allowed to go abroad and study? Or is it not easy for them to go abroad? Yes, they are allowed, but not everybody, not all students are allowed to go abroad to study. You know, they can go, but for conditions, they are conditions which are like obstacles, which don't allow them to go abroad to study. What kind of obstacles or conditions? For example, the main obstacle is the money and after we have a lot of things such, I don't know, papers and you know, something like this. If you were king of your own country and you could write immigration laws, what kind of laws do you think would be fair? No, it's difficult to say for me, but I think it's your American right to immigration. It's very polite to my mind and I think your right to immigration as to country that for all the world, it's more politically and it's more welcome because you, America, for all the world and for Russian people, I think it's like a symbol of freedom.