 Welcome everybody to the first installment of the Visual Studio remote office hours where we will explore the new world where a lot of us have to work from home for the first time and I'm sitting in my kitchen right now because I don't have. I don't have an office and I had to like wire in your ethernet cable that I had to go and buy because I actually didn't have one at home that was long enough and so I'm sitting in the kitchen because that's where the router is and so I have all these sort of difficulties or challenges if you will working from home sort of for the first time for an extended period and I you know and we were talking about this on the Visual Studio team and we kind of thought that probably a lot of you out there are in the same boat and so let's see if we can if we can help each other out a little bit and talk about some good tips and tricks and who's better to help us with that than the one and only Mr. Scott Hanselman. Hello Scott. Hey, hello, hello. We'll get this figured out in the future where we can have a side-by-side right now we're learning how to use teams live events. There's a teams meeting you can join but that has a limit to the number of people you can have in it and this is called a teams live event which is kind of cool so we've got our friend Rajen who is switching us back and forth. I'm here in my home office in Portland and trying to basically have a time each week where you could talk to the team we'll have guests on and we'll figure all this technical stuff out and make it so you can ask questions about how to be a more effective remote person and it's also worth pointing out as we mentioned a little bit before when we're getting our technical difficulties is that remote work and quarantine work are a little bit different so if you don't quite feel like you've got your feet underneath you and you're doing remote work right it's probably a reasonable thing because the stress of being stuck at home is different than just becoming a remote worker. Yeah right that's a really good point and yeah so it's something we want to do every week and so the first topic is sort of just tips and tricks to get off the ground working from home in a successful way so we can maintain some level of productivity and then we'll talk about more maybe some Visual Studio features about how we can handle like remote collaboration in a smarter way with stuff like live sharing all that but that might be next week and actually there's some new features coming in Visual Studio soon new experiences for working with Git and whatnot that might be interesting for especially when we're working from home and doing code reviews and whatnot so that will be for maybe another time in the near future but right now I want to talk about how to stay sane maybe or stay productive when you're home I'm faced with two little kids I have a two year old and a four year old and they don't understand that when I'm sitting with my headphones in here in front of my laptop I'm at work they don't understand that and so they distort me a lot and I'm not very productive like I'm probably in the first couple of weeks I was probably at 50% capacity like I was really not productive and it's gone up a little bit but I'm nowhere near what I used to be so Scott how can you help me what can I do what are some tips so my children are a little bit older but I did I was working when they were babies one of the things first is to recognize that you're not going to be 100% productive so I push back gently on your original statement where you're comparing how it was before the the deal is that with remote work we can't try to pretend that it's not remote work we can't pretend that we're trying to be as productive in the exact same way and by the exact same way I mean time boxing our life from nine to five or eight to six or whatever our hours are babies families are families they need that time so you might find as a remote worker that to get your will just say your eight hours or your nine ten hours you're going to need to do it in chunks right you know when you have a new baby you don't get eight hours of sleep you get a couple of threes right if you're lucky and you try to combine them like Tetris pieces into an eight hour sleep moment a sleep segment as a remote worker I tend to go and do like eight to eleven or nine to eleven and then hang out with the kids for an hour or so just before this I was helping them put their scooters together and pumping up the tires after this I might hang out with them for half an hour so your daily life has to be structured but it also has to be a recognition of the Tetris pieces that you're trying to fit to assemble a productive day the second thing I would offer to you is and I can hear you moving around in there what are you doing man are the babies coming? I don't know where they are you should probably find out where they are that's important don't lose your kids they could just run away you have no idea another fun thing that I've been working on is really simple is just the idea of maybe lights that can change color outside you can just get some light effects or any kind of wifi lights or any lights and just have a light near mommy or daddy's office that lets them know that you're either not available or you are available to say hey if the light screen you can come in and bother daddy and make it a game oh yeah that's actually a really good idea so but how do you make it a game? you make it a game say hey if it's green see if you can sneak into daddy's office and my my younger son would do the navy seal crawl and he'd try to sneak in here only when I'm green to like attack me or whatever oh but when it's red you know you're red you know like red is important and you have to be you can't just set it red for six hours right you have to switch it on and off and let let them know that there is a time when they can come in here the other thing that's really important is that as a leader as a person on a team that people look up to you we the folks that are listening set the tone you set the tone for what's okay to to the credit of our vice president Amanda I have been in meetings and her daughter will come in and just sit on her lap in the middle of a meeting if she were kind of pushing the baby away or being implying in any way that it was not okay that sends a silent message to me that that's not okay but by her normalizing it that makes it okay for me and I don't feel bad so the acknowledgement that kids exist we are humans why not be reasonable about that get set from the top down that example is set from the top down yeah that's a really good point I've you know I've had my kids in a lot of meetings and they just come in and I see other people's kids all the time and or dogs and you know what not it's definitely sort of a new world in that way and people seem to embrace it in at Microsoft that's kind of cool and I think we've also been we've actually been working from home a little bit longer than I think is the average around here anyway I think we were actually sent home maybe two weeks before the state of Washington where we are went into a lockdown so I think we're on like week 5 or week 6 and one thing I have noticed actually is that I am more productive when it comes to to work like creative work that I can do on my own that is sort of an isolated task like doing a Power BI dashboard or writing a visual studio extension or something like that that I am at the office because I get maybe an hour a full hour maybe even two hours without any distraction at all and then the only distraction at that point becomes like all the notifications right emails pop-ups from like teams and Skype and you know Slack and whatnot and so that has actually increased and so what I've figured out is that I can if I just kind of mute those apps sometimes I just close them down if I really need to focus and that that seems to be helpful but it usually it has to get bad before I close them down and so I'm not so good at doing it as early as I probably should to be more effective but how do you handle that yeah that's a tough one I mean the thing is and you can see there's actually a question here from Tomas who's talking about the notification flood that you're referring to right where everyone is interrupting you we are enabling people to interrupt us with these little devices and the challenge here is I don't think that we are intentional and deliberate about what we choose to allow into our lives you can delete outlook from your phone you can slack from your phone if you want to compartmentalize your life if you're in the kitchen right now and that's your workspace decide that that's your workspace and when you leave it then make sure that they can't get you when you've left that space you have a studio apartment in your corner is your office how do you make sure that your work doesn't bother you outside your office well if you've got your phone you got your work email and you got your all your notifications turn them off airplane mode remove the apps delete outlook if you've got outlook on your phone mad you know you can put it into quiet hours teams has quiet hours I've put in specific hours that I will accept that time and other times that I will not accept any notifications you should I'm saying and what when I say deliberate I'm saying if you accept the defaults the defaults in your life the defaults on your phone then you've just had the defaults then it wasn't your decision now here's the thing mad if it feeds your spirit makes you happy and you don't mind sitting on the toilet at 2am doing work email we have the technology to enable you to do that but if you feel that that technology is an intrusion into your life and 2am on a Sunday is not the time for email you accepted the defaults reject the defaults and decide what works for you if if the phone should not be bugging you at 7 turn it off figure out a way with the settings with the notifications with privacy with do not disturb mode to prevent it from injecting into your life and again I want to get back to that except that you are not going to be eight hours of work productive during this time if you get six good hours and you don't get fired and you survived this thing then I think you're doing an awesome job yeah well that makes sense and you know I actually do I've never had notifications enabled for any of my apps except for text messages pretty much so like on my phone so for emails or I do have teams now but only because I don't have notifications and so that's super important but you know that's that's really important for me to not feel like I'm at work when it's the evening Wednesday or the weekend but when I'm at work when I'm at work you know in my kitchen here during the day and I'm you know trying to concentrate on something and because everyone is remote now and everyone is like there's no you don't just go to someone's office right because you do that now through teams or Skype or something and so I feel like the notifications that come in during the work day has increased so is it the same thing is true there do you also just disable your notifications on your computer well I mean the computer is off right like that's the other thing like I joke about how airplane mode works on the ground computers can be turned off it's a shocking shocking concept you know well not while you work right I mean well there's focus mode right you know how you have a piece of toast that pops up surprises you that happens with your computer right you're focusing you're doing some work and then some toast pops up and it says hey Mads is online or the worst one where someone's like got a sec pause for effect got a sec what do you want like what do you you enable interruptions by not by allowing those notifications by not using focus mode which is built into built into windows you can actually right click if you go right now imagine the lower right hand corner next to your clock on windows there's a little right click on that nobody right clicks on it click focus to click focus there's priority only or alarms only you can turn all those chats off well that's fantastic I'm looking at that right now and never I never noticed that and then here's a trick though teams is an electron app so teams does its notifications differently you have to decide whether or not you want teams to run its notifications through its notification center or the windows one if you run it through the windows one it will accept that that focus assist okay I need to do that because I think I turned them off in windows and then I turned them back on in teams and now they're only in teams and I it's kind of weird and so that I can't like swipe them away like I can with the windows toasts and so it's kind of annoying teams toasts are different unless you choose to run them through the regular notification system you know not to derail but speaking of toasters right you were talking about toaster popping so I was in Hawaii this is this winter before the all the working from home app and all that and we were staying in this house that rented and you know they had a toaster they had a coffee machine they had an oven they had like you know it was a kitchen and all that and all the appliances all beeped when they were done as if you couldn't hear toast popping violently up and make it a loud noise then it did like three beeps and you know with little kids sleeping and thoroughly in the morning right or coffee the coffee maker is done and it like why do you beep just why do you notify me about these things that you don't have to this is what I get into that idea of the defaults it's very easy to accept the defaults because it's very tiring to go and assert the defaults right and being able to say well hang on a second this isn't working for me and I rejected takes a little bit of time so I would encourage the folks that are listening to set up a half an hour okay afternoon here and just look at all the things that bother you things all the things that pop up can I mute that can I snooze that can I tell keep this from happening and then just reassert make an appointment with yourself to assert the defaults yeah that's a good one now I have a if you don't mind can I go to some of the questions because some of these are yeah I was just about to so please go ahead I appreciate you sir thank you the one I was really excited about here was the one where John W says what percentage are you using video versus audio staring at my coworkers for an hour is a bit weird I've been doing a lot of both research ad hoc and otherwise in this in this space right now and we have to accept that everyone is different and everyone works differently so some things work for people and some things don't I'm a big fan of the Brady bunch view I want to see everybody I want all the context if you could put 50 by 50 grid of everyone in the meeting on the screen I need that information but another person said well they were a visual artist and they couldn't stop looking at backgrounds they were distracted it was like squirrel and they were looking at stuff and I reminded them that well you know you can right click and pin on the individual you can hide incoming video so if you don't want to see your coworkers even if they have video on or not you can consciously click click and hide incoming video you can pin the people that you want to see you can see the active speaker or you can just see nobody but the other thing and I know that you and I have talked about this before we're looking kind of at each other which is kind of weird we don't have to we could shift our bodies and put the webcam on a different screen or a different location and it could be more like this and that sounds silly but Phil Hack and I used to work remotely with roommates so I would turn to my left and he would turn to his right because of the way we oriented ourselves and we would work quietly and listen to our music and I go hey do you have a second and he would turn to his right and we added that little bit of physicality and I wasn't then staring at him I was there we were together in our space but we were not visually bothering each other and that helped as well we did some research and the teams team put a blog post about it right now in Norway about 63 to 70% if I recall teams calls our video in the US it's between 30 and 40% of the calls to have video turned on so I think it's a largely cultural thing and I think it's also an inclusion issue not everyone's camera ready not everyone wants to be camera ready not everyone wants you to invade their personal space and that's why we have the ability to blur backgrounds and things like that and it's important to be able to you know be in your private space you don't have to let your coworkers into your house if you don't want to yeah that's I really think it's the teams feature where you can blur your background is pretty phenomenal because it kind of removes that barrier but I also know that like some people that I work with they just say hey I'm not going to turn on my camera because you know I didn't do my hair this morning or something like that right and that's their right and we shouldn't we shouldn't just spring it on someone like we started a meeting hey it's a camera on meeting right what you do is you give them a heads up you say hey we're going to be presenting to the VP and we'd love it if this was camera on I think it's another great example a nice parallel is remember when we used to go to meetings and people would sit there and delete email and you're like would you close your laptop well now you sprung it on them right so let them know ahead of time this is a no laptops meeting this is a camera on's meeting yeah here's a related one from Danila she asks do you have some non-official meeting with colleagues during the working from home so we do on a couple of the teams I'm in so every morning all of Amanda's program manager so Amanda is our vice president and we meet for 15 minutes every morning at 8am the ones who can the ones who are you know want to very casually just talking about like anything and everything and so that's really nice just to kind of keep that sort of casual thing going the water cooler talk basically or you know around the in the morning at work in building 18 you know very often we meet at the coffee machine waiting for our coffee and so that's the equivalent of that we have at 8am which is very nice and then I got like from with two other teams I have like a 10am and I think I have 11am or something like that again completely optional and just a good way to kind of casually say hi to your team and so I really really appreciate that I can highly recommend it it's a it's a nice helps keep me sane I'd say you know because it's a lot of alone time and I'm used to when I really cherish to be around other people which is kind of weird because I'm an introvert but I really do enjoy it and this type of casual meetings give me that I think it's worth pointing out that the way my opinion is to say that these are not required meetings right this is a drop in drop out if you're trying to simulate work you have a kitchen space you have a water cooler you have a hallway and people can be there at a certain time or not be there a certain time I've shown up to four or five of those meetings with Amanda and sometimes people are there sometimes people are talking about what TV shows they watch right if no one wants you're saying that you think your team doesn't want it I would hold it anyway every day for a week or two and I bet you people would slowly start to come in once they realize that that it's there that it's an option you know what's really nice about the team that notifies you that someone started a meeting is that you don't have to be the first one to go on one of those casual team meetings you'll just wait till someone signs on and if it's someone that you're comfortable talking with you know one-on-one until someone else signs on you just join that meeting right then and there or you decide not to and it's totally fine and so that I see that happening so it's just just really nice and low key so Scott I have another problem is working from home that I hope you can help me with because you've said you've worked from home for 13 years is that right yes sir okay so I find it kind of boring you know it's what the sitting part you know I'm in my home every day and whether I'm at work or it's the weekend or during dinner I'm sitting at the same table in the same chair you know looking at the same pictures on the wall and whatnot so it's like very it maybe it's it's not as inspiring as going to work it's let's say put it that way but it does feel like a little bit born so is that something you feel or have felt and dealt with yeah I think that that's fair statement I think that again I want to make that comment that we talked about at the very beginning that remote work and quarantine work are different things right we have to accept that this isn't remote work because if it was I could go to the mall and I could sit at the mall and let the mall you know the noise of the din of the mall give me a little bit of energy you know that go to Starbucks you know if you get bored and you're working from home you can you can leave this is what sucks is the inability to be able to go anywhere and derive energy from anything that is not inside your your own house so the only thing that I've been able to do in the time that I've been doing this is to is to try to mix it up and not everyone has that privilege right I don't want everyone has a house with multiple rooms but do you have the space to literally change the direction that you're sitting opening a window moving to a different desk going into the kitchen sitting on your porch which you're looking for in my opinion is just some visual change something to let you know let your brain know to fool your brain that things have changed a little bit so that you can get that inspiration that moment of something's going on something's different so I have another desktop here and I've got a stand and I can sit over here and I can stand and work for a little while or I can go sit in the back yard you know we are allowed to go out of the house in the sense that we can sit on our porch you know what I mean where have you worked that isn't just your kitchen oh man like I sit in the sun room I've started to sit outside when the weather like in the last week or so the weather has been really nice around here if I need privacy I go into the bedroom which is horrible I have like a like an arm chair or whatever and it's not that comfortable but you know it works for shorter periods of time when I need you know if I'm a meeting with a senior leadership or something like that and it needs quiet but yeah no I'm pretty much everywhere but it's I have one place that I prefer to be but I kind of have to follow the flow of the family and people around this house and so I kind of just go with the flow oh Scott your voice oh sorry one thing that I found I muted that makes me happy is a thing called I miss the office dot EU okay and what this is is a website that makes office noises okay listen whose office is that I wonder it's just sound it's people moving it's it's white noise but it's the specific sound of I don't know if you can hear it but it's like phones ringing and copy machines going and the ping pong machine you know it's it's random sounds of the office so that you just don't go completely bonkers and you can click on the sounds you want to hear coworkers copy machines and listen to them that's pretty awesome try that let me see if you can they won't let me include system audio but you get the idea it's a fun project yeah so just any trick you can do you've got white noise there's also a thing called pink noise there are introverts there are extroverts there are ambiverts that go multiple ways but knowing these things all comes back to that original statement that I made about asserting the defaults yes it is absolutely boring and it sucks meds and if you don't try something else then yeah you're gonna it's gonna suck all right yeah I have a question here for from Jerome how do you deal with the with mentally starting and ending a work day like being inside all day ooh that's a good one so I commute to my house I go out of the house to the mailbox do a loop around the neighborhood I live in rural area not everyone can do this but you are allowed to go outside for you know essential things so do something some that makes it different and the other thing that I've done is I've tried to make my office look as different from the rest of my house as possible it's a visual trick I'm just nesting now some people look at my office and they're like oh my god it's all bling down I don't have the money or this is a really cheap office it's just full of a lot of crap I don't want you to think this is a money thing those are Ikea billy shelves those are LED lights this couch this is actually a slip cover you know what I'm saying this is not this is a $20 slip cover to change the color of the couch why is that important because it doesn't look like any other part of my house I fooled myself into thinking this is an office and then when I'm done with the day I shut everything down I leave the office the spare bedroom and I close the door and I go to another part of the house it's totally visually different nothing in the house is painted this way and the furniture looks this way and the lighting is this way so try to and then go outside and sit on your porch like you need that light to like simulate a commute if that makes sense what about lunch do you go out or do you stay home well I mean we can't go out so right now it's been well like tonight we're going to have movie night and we're going to rent a movie we're going to have intensive ones they have a whole thing where the movies that were in the theater are available now we've got candy we're going to make a little pretend you know welcome to the movie theater thing for the kids and they'll come in and give us their tickets and you know you try to simulate reality as best you can but so for the lunch hour you yeah of course you stay home I know you used to go out for tacos I assume you still eat tacos but at home but do you like yeah I just make them here and you don't eat them in the office do you set a timer like I have to do a full hour the lunch thing is an interesting one two things that two things that I think are interesting first when you are doing lunch do you want to eat by yourself is that what you need is that what you would makes you happy or do you want to have lunch with someone else so if you want to have some lunch with somebody else invite them to lunch then do that thing I was talking about the positioning because it's weird to eat close like this but if we decide to sit next to each other and we can eat together there's kind of a peacefulness in that you know what I'm saying so do you have a lunch buddy you have multiple lunch buddies can you eat somewhere else take your laptop to a different place like the cafeteria and eat there and then come back it's about those ways you can fool yourself that something has changed or something is different alright that's a good one so we got another question here from Tomas who asked Scott you so now with the quarantine and everything has that changed your daily schedule and how so has it changed my daily schedule it has changed everyone I said that at the very beginning that working from home is not quarantine work yes I miss going to Starbucks I miss going to the I like to sit in the food court at the mall and I need like the electricity of other humans in the room like the energy I find that I'm not moving enough like you really have to stand up it is not normal for a human to sit in one place how to be moving yourself around you got to be changing your posture you got to change your situation so all of those have been a challenge yeah alright so you talked a little bit on sort of you got some hardware there you got some some lights that change green or red whether or not the kids are allowed to come into your room or not your office room what other type of tech or hardware do you have that kind of helps out with working from home well I do like I do like my my cameras and such I enjoy those but I don't think that you need to have a fancy camera or spend money to do these things so right here I've got a nice camera I can turn the light off quite dramatic I would say the difference I can change to a different camera which is a more regular just a regular webcam so let me bring that up here's just a regular webcam but I can open the window you know and change the light so we can we can decide how we want things to look based on how we position ourselves in our space a laptop webcam can look like a million bucks if it's got enough light that's the trick light light light if you have a natural sunlight place or anywhere you can sit in front of a window with the camera in front of you you don't need to go and buy a fancy setup with a bunch of lighting you really can just find natural light and webcam just suck up the light I was talking with Damien Edwards on the team and he was reminding me that one of the reasons that webcams look the way that they do is that if they don't have enough light what happens is they stay open longer and the frame rate goes down so the less light the lower the frame rate the more natural and the clearer the frame rate and I think that if you are a person who wants your camera on your audience your team members will appreciate that natural light you don't need to buy anything for that I mean you can buy cameras and crap but I'm doing this because it's fun and I do video training but I don't think it's necessary I don't want anyone to feel like they have to rush out and buy a bunch of camera crap and again this is all cheap this is a $30 this is a $30 what do you call this microphone thing I paid $15 for the light on Amazon you don't need to go and invest if you don't want to you can if it makes you happy but I don't think that you do so that light you got there I assume it's LED so it's not hot on your face but is it it's not blinding either I haven't found it to be because you can also change the color temperature pasting on how you want to look and how you want to feel the daylight version and I've got another little cheapo I've actually got a piece of tape on it right now because it's broken light so you can set sunlight color and stuff like that and this was I think $20 on Amazon and it's just a big LED light and I try to do that in the winter time so I don't go insane from not enough sun that makes sense my wife got one of those too like she needs her daylight and the winter is here pretty dark 100% let's see there were a couple of other questions that I wanted to make sure Alan had a very nice thing that they were saying that they've been working remotely for the majority of the last 30 years and had some suggestions for us they set up recess for the kids so having plan fun things this is a nice one for you Mads a planned session which is something fun as a reward for giving mom or dad their privacy so this idea that the two-year-old or however old your kids are is bothering you he said hey if you give me an hour of privacy then we'll do something fun afterwards so a little bit of a structured trade there which I think is a really good idea that is a fantastic idea so basically I'll schedule like half an hour or somewhere an hour in my calendar for playing with my kids let's say and so that is a really good idea I never thought of that here's another interesting one from an anonymous person saying now that everyone is working remotely people are working they have their own private time what do you do about team members that just stop delivering it is a challenge to figure out what the right number of work hours is if you're teaching your kids from home if you are the single parent and you or you have two parents that work and you're struggling schools are closed and the kids are there you are going to have more of a challenge than other folks and I think it's important to note that it's unreasonable to expect someone to be available nine to five to do video calls if they're in the middle of teaching their kids I'm dropping out to go and work with the kids and having them Skype and teams into their schools on the regular but we also have to recognize that our team members are adults like it's not my job it's really not in this time to be bothering them checking on them too much the fact is you've been given a task you time box the task and you say try to accomplish this in this time and here's your clear deliverable setting people up for success by saying here's a clear deliverable get it done however you you work right how are you partitioning your deliverables mad because you don't certainly need me or anyone else micro managing you you got to you have stuff that you have to deal with yeah it's like in the beginning when my productivity was way down like when I first started working from home I was very upfront about it I told my entire team and my manager saying I'm going to you know I'm going to be very unproductive and things are going to be late and no one said anything no one there was no you know heart feelings or anything at all and some of my team members came and said the same thing as well afterwards so it seems like if you realize that you are the one that might be on reduced productivity and might delay your deliverables just be upfront about it share it make sure they all know and they have you know a clear understanding and that's going to happen and these are these are unprecedented times right so no one said a thing it worked out great it didn't feel good it didn't feel good to be the one that didn't deliver the feeling of being unproductive maybe for the first time in my career it was not a good feeling but you know when you then get the support from your team and your managers then it's all good again so speaking of hardware there's been several questions about the setup so Scott you asked me when you're doing this video thing you need make sure you have your external monitors and then you need to be hard wired into your docking station with wired ethernet and power and all this sort of stuff and use your secondary workstation to host the video stream because that requires a lot of processing power so you don't want to do that from your let's say your demo laptop and then I told you but Scott all I have is a laptop I don't have monitors I don't have a docking station I don't have a secondary thing I don't remote it to a workstation somewhere else or a VM hosted on Azure or anything like that you're limited right now with one laptop at home and that's it you don't have a space and that's a very common thing it's unusual to have a home office in multiple computers but yeah probably but I don't at work have multiple I just have a laptop that's all I have and it's all I've had for like around 10 years such a minimalist it works great and you know it was a period of two years when I worked on the web team on the Visual Studio that I didn't even have a desk I had a comfy chair and a footstool instead of a desk and that was where I came up for two years just with a laptop in my lap it was horrible for my back and neck and all this sort of stuff but it was very comfortable was it an intentional decision it was but we were like cramped for space and I kind of said I'd rather do this than feel a little bit cramped and besides I'm kind of a person that walks around all the time I don't do meetings I just go straight to the person I need to talk to and talk to them if they're there and if they're not I'm coming back in an hour and see if they've showed up and that works very well for me and that's maybe also why it's a little bit hard for me to be home now I'm used to really use the having other people around in an active way but it's just to the questions about the hardware I've had no complaints about just using my laptop camera and these are some old iPhone headphones no one's complained about it so I don't know if you actually need anything really just to kind of follow up on what you were saying Scott you bought a lot of things I didn't I have my surface laptop too and before that I had a little Novo yoga and that was the same story no one ever complained about the quality of the camera or anything like that so as I said before we don't need to buy a bunch of stuff this isn't about the acquisition of things you said I bought a bunch of stuff and I acquired stuff a lot of this stuff came from Goodwill which is a local thrift shop I've got a TV right here I got for 20 bucks so the minimum that you can do on on the cheap I do think though as a remote worker and I'm also a kind of tech support for the family I'm sure that you are as well I have you know multiple laptops that I'm managing of family members and cousins and aunts and uncles and stuff I do think that as a remote worker of some amount of essentialness it's good to have a backup laptop even if it's a crappy one so if your laptop died the hard drive died today what's your backup plan Oh order an iPad or a phone but you know how productive could you be I know I'm not productive I'll have to I'll drive down to Best Buy or order an Amazon that would be or like you have to order an Amazon because their best buy is closed so in like over my 20 year career whatever I've never had a laptop breakdown you realize by saying that now you've set yourself up yeah maybe to have that happen right now and have your computer live but I don't with all due respect that's not a hope is not a strategy I'm not hoping I'm just using this is just statistical observation right this does not happen it is on there's a difference between being something that's possible and something that's probable and I'm not a hard drive is six years right but I'm not optimizing for you know possible I'm optimizing for probable with a plan for what's possible and my plan is that I don't have anything local on my hard drive that I need so I have everything is in the cloud I can literally throw this out and I can get a new laptop and within like an hour or two I'm completely back and up and running and have everything I need mm-hmm well why don't we start wrapping up as we get towards lunchtime here if you have found this to be a useful thing let us know we will try it in the future to have a split screen we did try that at the beginning it didn't work 100% but we are kind of update our production value and mad you had talked about figuring out how to do this and having guests come come on and whether or not we do it as a live event this is a teams live event or whether we do it as an actual teams meeting might be another option to have folks come on yeah that's right so we're planning on shipping this or publishing this to channel line or YouTube or something like that so people can watch after the fact and yeah the hope is that we can do this on a weekly basis and exactly how we're going to do it we don't know yet we're just kind of experimenting at the moment and so if you have any feedback anything like I think everyone on the call right now are got the link from Twitter so please just tweet us and tweet to the studio Twitter account so it's literally just called visual studio so and that's also where we will publish the new dates and times for when the future shows will be with links and all that so if you don't already follow that Twitter account make sure you do that is the official team Twitter account and the idea is that we're going to talk about working from home and different aspects of that but this is also visual studio so we will get more visual studio stuff in as well and who knows maybe we are going to talk about like some really interesting never talked about before visual studio deep dive features or whatnot and or maybe even get some early previews of some stuff in the future who knows as I said this is an experiment we're trying to get it off the ground here so yeah your feedback is much appreciated and I think we went through all the questions too Scott I think so and we'll we'll try to come here on the regular and answer more I think next time we should try it as a as a regular teams event we can try different things it doesn't always have to be this way absolutely all right well thank you everybody for tuning in and until next time stay safe