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Hey everyone, both thousand and myself are big advocates of women in our community and we're also big advocates of them telling their truths, their true stories, their adventures in cannabis and that's not always going to be a beautiful pretty picture, especially when women talk about their lives. So trigger warning here. I don't normally do anything like that, any kind of trigger warnings or anything PC, but in this case like it is one of those things that I know there are some women that have so much PTSD. They cannot even stand hearing about it because it triggers them too much and I respect that. And so it's thousand, it says peach. So we wanted to put a disclaimer in here at the very beginning that there may be some uncomfortable parts. It'll only be brief, but yeah it's your choice if you want to listen or not to that. And with that we hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to Reader Syndicate. I'm Matthew right seeds here with thousand fold my co-host and today we will be talking to sweet peach kiss 13. Yeah, so sweet peach kiss 13 head of pure organic medicinals and founder of GI Mary James. Welcome on the show. So sweet. So peaches as we'll refer to her in short is one of our discord community members. And peaches alongside her husband Buckshot Hill have been a great duo in the discord. And I think recently met you got to meet up with them. I did hang out a little bit, which is yeah, it was really a blast. It was a blast. I felt like man, you had a couple of weeks of like, didn't you meet Denali? I feel like yeah, you had a series of like double dates I felt like. Yes, spindle and his wife. Yeah, it was fun, you know, like getting to meet people for the first time from our group is real fun because like you never know what you're going to get. But most of the time it's been especially with the couples that I've met. It's been pretty amazing. They're gonna be lifelong friends for sure. Yeah. So peaches, like I mentioned, one of the main reasons why we have peaches on the show today is actually to talk hash making. Yes. But that's not the only thing that peaches does. That's just what we're going to call the show, but we'll get into some of that. So peaches, what were some of your earliest experiences with the plant? Well, to be perfectly honest, even though I come from a third generation, I'm a third generation grower. My grandpa grew and my dad grew. I never messed with weed as a kid. My parents were very strict. The only time I touched weed as a kid was when I took it from my dad and I put it in a bologna sandwich in a lunch bag and I gave it to my boyfriend at school. And he got caught with it and we got trouble and I got my ass beat for that one. Oh, I bet. Drying attention. Yeah, I drew attention to us in not a very good way. No. So I got in trouble for that one. And then I never smoked weed until I graduated and got out on my own. And then unfortunately, the first weed I ever did really smoke was some Mexican weed in the park. And then I met Buckshot. Buckshot had his own weed that he was growing. It was some bag seed from as he's a roster lady in a Subaru in Humboldt is where he got it. Okay. And it was purple weed. And he got bag seed from it. And for some reason he named it the super green. And so he was growing that when we got together. And that was my first experience seeing a plant or getting to smoke actually really good weed. That was my real first experience. And that was what in 1996 when we first met. Because yeah, my dad never showed me his plants. My grandpa didn't show me his plants. It wasn't our family wasn't like really out there about it. My grandpa grew weed to give my mom because my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. And so she was going to LA for chemotherapy. So my grandpa grew the weed that my mom took to LA to hustle to pay for her hotel and to go to chemotherapy. Wow. And my grandma also hustled weed to help pay for my mom's stuff. So and then my dad grew weed, you know, just for himself because my mom passed away when I was four. She didn't make it. You know, and unfortunately, I wish so much that she had known that that same weed she was selling that she could have used herself. Yeah. To help treat what she had for sure. And and she didn't have a clue. And so she didn't make it. And so my dad, you know, my dad's been the black sheep of the family. He grew weed. We got busted and raided. I remember that very specifically that day, having the cops come down the driveway and like, trying to figure out why are all the cops here? Like, what's going on? And they sat us down on the couch and they told us to stay there and they searched our whole house and they took all my dad's weed and they took all his plants and my dad was their voter cycle mechanic because it's a small town and so they didn't take him to jail. Wow. They just took everything. Taxed him. So hold on, you were saying that you never saw a plant when you were growing up? No, he grew them down in the creek. He's told me stories about how he grew them tucked under the willow trees in the sand so they didn't have to be watered. And, you know, all that stuff, you know, he smoked it. I knew they smoked it. You could smell it come out of the bedroom. But, you know, it wasn't like how I am with my kids. My kids know all about the weed. They help. They, you know, all about it. It wasn't like that for me. You know, I noticed that a lot of parents that were growers and had kids either were very permissive, wanted to involve in it and educate them or be too silent about it because they had the other mindset that their kids could potentially tell the wrong person at school and bring up, you know, like, there's not a lot of in between the two. And I was going to mention where Peaches is from. Is it typical California? It's actually very woodsy and beautiful Sequoia area. So there's going to be a lot of creeks, a lot of mountains, stuff like that. Is it mountainous? It's very mountainous. We have 40 acres that backed up to the National Forest. Oh, wow. And there is a whole big creek that ran right through our property. That's cool. So gorilla growing was like quite a, I don't know, natural decision, I guess, given that kind of terrain. Yeah. Yes. So wow, that's amazing. So your family has had this quite long and intense relationship with the plot in all these different ways. Mm hmm. Okay. Okay, we'll probably come back to some of that. But what were some of the first, because the show is going to be centered on the extracts. I didn't want to ask. What were the first extracts you tried? Well, that would be some dry sift that we did in the in the back bedroom probably in like in 96. He showed me by taking he put the flower in a sifter that just like the sifter I used to sift the hash out of comes out of the freeze jar now. And he put flower in there and he had one of the glass the glass pieces from one of the grow lights and put it at an angle and then had a piece of paper at the bottom. Yeah, shook it over the glass. And it would go down and then the THC would stick to the glass and everything else would go to the paper. And then we would take a card and card that up. And we would use that on joints and bowls. And so that technically was the very first extract. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I've never heard of that. But that's right. He did that. He developed that when he was 14. That's so cool. And so that was the first time he showed me how to do that. And then the first time I actually made ice water hash was in 1999. We bought the first set of the one gallon bubble bags from the OCBC in Oakland. Was that is that bubble band? Oh, no, Oakland is. Oh, was it bubble man? Yeah. Yeah, shout out bubble man. Yep, the very first one. So they were one gallon bags. And, and actually what's crazy is the first strand we washed and made hash with was bubbleberry. Oh, that's nice. Did it make good hash? It didn't make very good hash. Did the berries stick with it? Do you remember? Honestly, I couldn't tell you specifically if you asked Buck shot that he could probably tell you probably wouldn't remember. So this is the original bubbleberry. Yes, from Sega Matha, from Tony. Very cool. Very cool. I just blanked. I had another question which was what was your how did you see hash relative to smoking flower at the time? Yeah, I remember it used to knock me on my ass because I was a hell of a lightweight. And we had we had just had our daughter. And so I was still in that hole. I can't smoke during mom time, you know, nowadays cheese. Yeah, right. That's a time to do it. Yeah. So I, you know, for me, the hash was like a nighttime thing. I really liked the taste of it. So I, but I love flour. I can't, flour is still one of my favorite things to smoke. I'm not gonna lie. As much as I like to make hash. There's nothing like good flour. Like I will. I have to say. So the hash for me back then was just it was the like nighttime smoke and get the job. And normally what you would just add it to a joint? Is that the snake in the grass? That's what we used to call it. They call them hash holes now. Yeah, but it was the snake in the grass or we would do the on top of a bowl. Yeah. Yeah, the classic. Yeah. Okay, okay. So just to round out this little ice breaker introduction. Would you please tell us about first of all, pure organic medicinals, and then GI Mary James? Well, let the audience know, like, you know, what you're up to? Well, we'll start with GI Mary James, because that came first. Back in 2018, we got involved with battle buds, who was associated with the weed for warrior project. And so we became a sponsor for that. And it was a great event. It was men and women combined. They would come together and, you know, have like a day where they did food and hung out and they had weed and a giveaway and stuff. And then I noticed there was women there. And a lot of the women just congregated alone together. And that's when I thought of starting GI Mary James, which would be the same concept that the battle buds was based off of, which was a veteran group, but it was going to be for just women veterans. So the women veterans could come together and have a safe place to meet where there wasn't men, because a lot of women veterans have, you know, been assaulted. They have dealt with a lot of shit from men. And I, my intuition when I saw the group interaction was that these women needed a safe place of their own to do the same thing, not that they weren't having fun. But I wanted to help provide them with that same aspect by themselves. And so I started doing that, and it was going really well until COVID happened, and we lost our meeting spot. And so we haven't been able to have meetings anymore. Until I can find somewhere that will let us come and, you know, smoke and hang out and do all that stuff. Can I ask as well, were you just just to be clear, were you ever in the military yourself or? No, I was not. I am not a veteran. My dad is an ex marine. My grandpa was a World War Two prisoner of war. My uncle was a Navy veteran from Vietnam. So I grew up around the veterans and honestly, the only I mean, I know a lot of people always say, Oh, I would have joined but my grandpa asked me not to join the military. I was actually in the process of trying to sign up for it. And he came to me and asked me to not do that to myself. And my grandpa was my world. My grandma grandpa raised me pretty much after my mom died and my dad fell apart. And I watched my grandpa struggle every day with PTSD and the stuff that happened to him as a prisoner of war. And it made me have a lot of compassion for veterans and what they experience. And so it was just something that was dear to my heart. And I saw these people struggling and cannabis was helping them. And I had cannabis and so I just chose to help. I'm glad you did. It sounds like that's super important. It's very smart to have a space like that for women, because that does happen a lot. I have friends, you know, that have been through that. And it's not the most comfortable environment, military unions and stuff like that. Yeah. No, it's it's very, very laudable. Yeah, what you've what you've been doing super cool work. Doing the good work as people might say. Okay, we'll I'm sure again, we'll come back to that. How about pure organic medicinals? So they found me on Instagram. About, I don't know, four years, but four years ago. Honestly, I refer it to us as a band of misfits. Because we are not corporate cannabis in any way, shape or form. That's why we have hit the market yet, because it has taken us like they were, it's been six years for everybody else involved. I've been involved for three years now. And what I brought to the table was my hash experience, my edible experience, and then all the equipment that we had acquired over the last few years is what's making their hash room run. So there's, you know, two main guys who have been in cannabis, you know, their whole lives. And so we're just we're trying to come to market with, you know, we have a solvent less license. And it's hard. Just to, yeah, for someone like me who's not really like close in any way to like the American, you know, legal market or license side of things. What do you mean when you say, you haven't got to market yet? And so what what does it mean that what's been happening in this whole time? We're jumping through hoops. You know, there's all the testing that has to be done. We had to find a distributor. It's well considering the fact that there's only three of us and in the last month, I've had to wash by myself probably like 150 pounds of weed, five pounds at a time. Wow, holy, it takes a while. And then that has to go for pre testing. And then we got to package it. And then it's got to go to distribution. And then it goes through another round of testing. And then it can actually go to market. Wow, okay. So just to I'm just trying to signpost for everyone. This is already after after you've gotten your license, right? This is already post licensing. And you're still having to do like, basically more compliance stuff. Yeah, because they, they come every year and do an inspection. And if there's anything that's not perfect, then you have to fix that and you have to do this and change that and all that wonderful stuff. And being not corporate is is kind of a major boon because it cuts you off from a lot of funding. Am I right? Yes, that's been our biggest holdup. In fact, I know everybody thinks I'm like, Oh, you're a hash maker. I don't usually get paid when I come up here. I have literally, I've gotten paid a few times when they've had money from our few investors that we've gotten. But most of the time I come up and I work on my own. Yeah. Trying to, you know, I want to build a legacy for my kids, right? My son, you know, tiner, he he's going to be the fourth generation. I already know my daughter, she's grown, she's, you know, she doesn't want to do anything with the weed world. But that's why that's her choice. She's doing great out in Texas. And so for me, this is really important. I want to bring I want to create a legacy for him that is legal that he doesn't have to worry and be scared about going to jail and having the cops kick down our door and all that shit that we've worried about our whole lives. And so funding has been our biggest hurdle. You know, we've had to literally stop what we're doing and wait for to try to conjure up some money here or there. One of the guys went back to work full time to get another job just to help pay for the mortgage and stuff. Geez. So, you know, it's not easy. It's not all the, you know, glam and glitz that a lot of people think it is. It's really hard work. And they don't make it easy, especially if you're not a rich millionaire, like anybody who's on the market now, that is legacy, you can guarantee those people have worked their asses off to get where they're at. For sure. Yeah, it's I mean, it's a lot. And, you know, like, there's also the added cost of testing each time you bring in a new strain, each different way you extract it has to be tested that costs a lot of money. Like a lot of people just assume that that's there. It's cheap, but it's not. It's super not. Yeah. Every CLA is $475. Exactly. It's so expensive. Every metric ticket. If I wash 10 pounds of rents, that's a metric ticket. If I have something else, that's another metric ticket. And, and then if I take that runs and I put it in live rosin that has to be tested. And if I take that same runs and I put it in a cart that cart still has to be tested separate. And if I take that and put it into an edible that has to have separate testing. Can't just test what I made once and put it into three products. Exactly. So that every basically every point of the production chain almost or the supply chain needs to be tested. Every time it's a new enters into a new product and form, if I'm correct. Yeah. Yeah. That has to have a CLA. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess just another reminder or insight into the fact that you know, it's essentially still very much pay to win or pay to play, I guess, you know, you really need to be able to either sacrifice enough for you know, afford. Yeah. What is an immense cost to get going? Yes. Okay. Stepping away from some of that. What do you call it? jumping through hoops. And going back to the the hash for a little bit. One thing I wanted to ask you about was how you see your process having developed like you told us about some of the very first, you know, quote unquote extract or hash that you made. What how did this journey go for you? You know, like first of all, like, just developing yourself as someone who's doing hash at home, and then transitioning into this biggest scale, it's more commercial scale. Well, let's see. And I was actually in, you know, we've always done our own personal thing. And for friends and family. Yeah, maybe we can just start there first, then just start with like, what was it like making hash for your friends and family? It was nice. It was, you know, a one gallon bucket on the kitchen counter. And it was just really simple. You know, you we would do it an ounce at a time like, I think one of our best washers at the time was the LA confidential that we had. It always washed well. And then, you know, so it was just like a, you know, because Buckshot got hurt way early in our relationship with his back. And so he's been basically the stay at home, take care of the, you know, things at the house. And then I've been out working and, and, you know, handling all that stuff. And in 2018, I was in nursing school. And I finished my pre wet recs and all that. And I actually got my associate's degree in science. Oh, wow. And I was supposed to go to RN school. For the rest of it. And the pro I went and I was going to sign up for RN school. And I went to the meeting and I was doing my stuff. And she's like, Okay, well, you she's like, Do you work? I'm like, Yeah, I'm a full time CNA. I, you know, I work 40 plus hours of work week as, you know, a CNA. And she was like, Well, you can't do that. Anymore. And I'm like, What do you mean? She's like, Well, to go to our end school, you need to be in school full time. You're going to have to quit your job and go to school because there's no way you can do both. It just doesn't work. And I couldn't, I couldn't quit my job. How are we going to eat? I can't support us. I have to work like, these are realistic American choices now. It is. It was no joke. Like I had gone through all my financial aid for all the pre recs I did. Sure. I had nothing left. And so we had literally his mom had given us 10 grand. And I was she was because she was like, you know, put this towards nursing school, do something. And I was like, Well, I can't live off this long enough for to go to nursing school because that was my first thing. No way. Yeah. And so buckshot took it and invested in what the clear class. And learned how to do distillate. Well, when he did that, they were supposed to give him a job. Yeah. And that was the plan. He was going to get a job doing that. And then I could go to school to be an RN and we would be okay. Because once I was done, I'd be able to support us and we'd be fine. We wouldn't have to struggle anymore. Well, they never gave him a job. They sold him some CBD distillate taught him how to do all this stuff took his money and then never gave him a job. So we were sitting here. And, you know, he was already into the rosin and learning all that and had a the first Sasquatch in one press. He was doing flour rosin. And when this happened, I was like, What are we gonna like, what am I going to do? I can't go to school. Like, I know how to grow good weed. I know that like something I've always done. I've always made good edibles. I mean, back in the day, I used to make edibles for the Vicellia clubs for the medical clubs. And so we decided to put everything into hash. And we bought a freeze dryer. And we bought the bags. And we started with the Bruteless trash cans. Yeah. And I literally washed cash in our kitchen on scaffolding on a ladder, standing on a ladder to wash out. She actually has proof of this. There's awesome. And that's how we started with the white Bruteless trash cans. And we got the ice extract bags and a freeze dryer. And it we started there. And then we started to do the sashes. And it honestly just kind of took off from there. Yeah, what do you mean by the sessions? Well, around here, the secret sesh, where the black market companies come together in some rented secret location, and we set up a table and they let people come in and they get to shop kind of like a farmer's market. Yeah. So we got it was it was fun. It was a lot of fun. I'm not going to lie. It was a blast because you got to meet like minded people and become a part of the community. And then we were helping people again. And it just was a lot of fun. So I didn't want to dip into the tech a bit more at this point. Just so up until this point of like scaling up, when you're still dealing with like, you know, the one gallon bags and whatnot. In that early era, what did you learn? Do you think about making hash? Honestly, back then, I, I don't, I didn't learn as much as I did once we got the bigger equipment. Okay. Because there wasn't as much information out there. You know, like, and we want that wants to be on the internet very much. That's actually a question I did want to ask at this point. So how did you get that information to start making hash? Where did you know that came from Buckshot? Yeah, he is a research powerhouse. Okay. The weed has been his life forever. And so he had read I'm pretty sure some information from Neville about hash making. And that had piqued his interest. And that's when we got the one gallon bags. And so the biggest part I think about that point was learning how to dry it right because there was no freeze doors. And so yeah, we would wash it through the little bags. And then they when the kit you got these little screens, they're orange and blue. And we would put that on top of a piece of cardboard. Yeah. And then put the hash on it. So it would draw it out. And then if you keep it in the fridge, it helps the whole process and does all that. So that was probably the biggest learning curve. At that point was just learning how to dry it right. So that you want to get it moldy. Yeah, I've, I've heard this, I don't know much about like I said earlier, like I'm not, you know, very advanced at all and in hash making. But I have, I have heard that, you know, the drying part is really, really key. Um, you know, like my hardest part when I was learning how to like use bubble bags and stuff, I was teaching myself because I, you know, like, I mean, the information was out there at that point, but like, I've just was stubborn to figure, well, I see how people do this. They just stir it with some ice. No big deal, right? Just pull up. Yeah, nothing. But, but I was taking like dry leaves that would crumble up and crush up, you know, just stuffing it all in there, getting a full drill with a painter paddle on drill speed and just go for 45 minutes. And yeah, that did not make exceptional hash. It did not. It's some of the worst shit ever. So a lot of it is to do with preparation too, right? Like big part. Yes, like, we learned about because we've, we've done, we do leaf and we have done leaf, but most of the time we like to wash flour, because it just gives you better results. And one of the things we did learn back then was about making sure you froze it first, even if it was dry. Yeah. Because it just helps. The stocks break off. Yeah. Yeah, it just makes it easier. On the point that Matt was making. Yeah, the other the other kind of variable that I see people obviously needing to control to some degree is that they kind of like, how much agitation are you actually introducing? And there's obviously a sweet spot, right? Like you need to move something around, but not too much or you're not drill speed. You don't want to go drill speed. Drill speed is a little much. Yeah, because you got to keep in mind that every time a leaf breaks in there, it releases chlorophyll. Yeah. So when you release chlorophyll, that's when you get the green slime. And so, but you also have to wash hard enough that you're the push the water through the bud, you know, like, like a river rushes through a canyon. Yeah, that's what you want the water to do. So it'll rush through there and break the heads off and carry them out. So you can't be too gentle. But you can't be you got to not be too rough. And I have found, you know, my I use a 20 gallon. And so that means I'm washing five pounds of fresh frozen, yeah, with 20 gallons of water. And so what I do is I do a 10 minute wash. And then I let it settle for 10 minutes. And then I do so many every wash I do is a 10 minute wash. I've found that's a pretty nice sweet spot where for one, your arms will get tired. Let me tell you. And two, it seems to be a good amount of agitation to, you know, without breaking it up too much and totally disintegrating it. And that's just something, you know, that's something people as a wash ash, you'll have to learn how hard to do it. I mean, people can see my videos, I put some good work into it. But you know, you're trying to, that's, I don't know how many pounds of water and weed in there that you're trying to, you know, get all the heads off. So do you normally grind the weed up before you start or like just put in full buds? No, honestly, if it's perfect, the perfect way to have it is where you take off all the fan leaf and trash leaf, anything that doesn't have crystals, and then you buck it up into little like the buds, you don't want a giant bud in there, you know, you want to take it off of the stem. And the other because it's hard because you don't want too many cuts, because like I said, every cut in there really is this chlorophyll. But if you have too big of a bud, you're not going to be able to get to the inside of that. That makes sense. But if you grind it up too much, then you're going to have way too much chlorophyll. That makes a lot more sense. Some people, too, what I have found is if I've had people bring me leaf to wash, which I hate washing leaf because you have to wash it different, you cannot wash leaf like you wash bud. And I think that's a common mistake some people make is assuming the instructions for what people put out there for washing fresh frozen flower is not how you're going to want to wash your leaf. Interesting. I didn't know that. No clue. It's a little different. You gotta it's because the material is different. It's really not the same. And so people have washed their leaf just like the flower and they end up with a muddled mess. Like you said, when you over agitate, you get too much leaf material in there, because you break it up, you know, it it matches in there, even though it's in water and frozen, it'll still break up. And if it gets too small, it just passes right through the bags. That makes sense. I mean, most of my hash was always like greenish brown. And like after it was dried, it would just snap. Not not not ideal. Too much plant material. Yeah, just a bit, just a bit. I learned later, you know, I got a washing machine, like it like those like, you know, Chinese made little tiny washing machines from and I realized like how slowly it was agitating stuff. And I was like, Oh, oh, oh, okay. So 45 minutes of drill speed, probably a little bit much. Yeah, a little bit. Annihilation meant annihilation, dude. It made hash, it made a lot of hash, but not much resin. So this is really good. I love this little chunk of the conversation, because we just got to hear a bunch of tips. But I didn't want to draw out a bit more from you peaches. Like, can you tell us about what your process is like now for like the business? Yeah, because I definitely had to adjust because well, I used to have help washing hash. Yeah. Either buckshot and I washed together or we had a couple of the friends from the veteran group that would come help. So I had to adjust a lot to coming up here and doing it by myself. And then wanting people wanting me to produce a certain amount in a certain time, you know, that would you mind like, would you mind like, taking us through the process as though you were like, like, like, you know, in a normal workday fee. Okay. So if I was coming in to wash hash, the first thing I have to do is I prep my washroom. I got to put all my equipment together, get the air conditioning, running bags ready, you want to let your bags down so they're not dry. Make sure everything's clean, ready to go. I line my trays with my liner. So when I'm ready to scoop, they're ready to go. Then let's see, I chill my spoons for scooping, I always put them in ice and water. So they're cold. I fill up my igloo reservoir with ice and water. And I put ice in my sprayer. And then I take out my fresh frozen from the freezer. And then I put it into a 20 wash bag inside the rootless with ice and water. And then that soaks for 30 minutes. Just sit there and so that's what you let it do. Then after that, I will do a 10 minute wash. And then I let it settle for 10 minutes. So the hash sits down through and collects at the bottom. Now at home, I used to scoop the bags with every wash. But that's really not time efficient. And so now what I do is I have ice in my catch can to have ice in the bottom of my catch can. And then I have my bags in there. And I also, because we only do full spectrum hash, which is the 70 you through the 149 you, I don't have the 120 bag in there, I don't have my 104 bag and I don't have my 90 bag in there. I literally do I don't catch 25 because 25 trash, some people will say whatever, but I don't catch 25. I've got my 45 bag, my 70 bag, my 150 bag, the 180 bag and then a 220 bag because I always make sure I put a 220 catch bag in the top of my bags, even though I wash in a 220 bag that way. Let's say your bag rips. Yeah, something happens and you get material through then you don't get it into your hash, you catch it in that 220 bag first. Yeah. So so I let it settle for 10 minutes and then I drain it. And I also keep ice in my 220 bag so that when it goes, so I'm trying to keep my catch can as cold as possible. Yeah, because I'm not gonna pull my bags for each wash. So I drain it and then I have a trash can reservoir filled with water and I take like 10 liter glass thing and I scoop from there and I fill up my can real quick because if I wait for the hose, it takes too long because I have a food safe drinking water hose, you know. And but if I use that to fill the can it can take up to 20 minutes to fill the can. So I fill my reservoirs and I have them chilling and sitting there. And so I scoop from there I fill the can probably takes a couple minutes and then I do another 10 minute wash, 10 minute, settle, drain it and then I repeat the process again. And at home, I used to do four to five washes. But at work, I do three washes and I'm done because if I found from my prior experience of washing and scooping between each wash that as your washes go, you get less and less hash and pretty much by your fist wash unless you have like some excellent washer, you're not getting anything but stalks, you've already gotten the heads. And you'll know that if you've ever washed and kept your washes separate and pressed your washes separate, you can tell that you get less of a return than the farther washes you go out. That makes sense. I also use a scope to scope the weed to make sure the heads are missing. You just a bud and I break it open and I scope it and I see like, did I get most the heads or their stalks missing or, you know, they've never heard of that. Yeah, it's a great tip. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you don't have a scope, I would the other thing I do is the fingers sticky test. And you just grab a bud and break it open and feel it. And if your fingers aren't really sticky, then you probably don't have much THC left. So my main question is, how are you lifting these heavy bags? I mean, that's pretty heavy, though, like 20 gallons of wet product. Well, it's really, you know, the it's really the five pounds or so of weed that's wet with the ice in there about 20 pounds of ice. And however much five pounds of wet weed weighs, it's heavy. But I don't know. I just do it. I was just thinking about when I used to do it with like even five gallon bags, but we didn't have a drain at the bottom. So we're lifting the ice in the water and that shit was heavy as shit. No, if I had to lift the water to I probably couldn't do it. Yeah, yeah, no, that would be very heavy. That's why it was like, it is heavy. Plus, I'm standing on a stool so that I'm waiting for my ass to fall off of there. I'm not lying. Yeah. Get a letter. Well, what I want is a pneumatic table, one that will go to the wash at the ground and then pump it up and then drain it. Yeah, but I don't have that. So we only have a table. So I have to stand on a little stool to wash hash. Oh, no. Which I don't mind is it's better than sitting on a ladder. They probably make like cheap foot pump pneumatic tables by now. I was gonna say like, you go speak. Oh, it's just it's one of those things where it's a couple hundred dollar expense that we haven't got yet. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It could go to testing. It could go to any number of places. That's where it's gone is testing. I bet. Which I have to say, I'm proud to say I've passed all testing and my COAs came in and my rosin tested at over 80 percent THC. Wow. So I've and just as a side note, when we met up, you gave me some different products and I've had experience with rosin. But not a lot of experience with like really professionally well made rosin. And now I get rosin. I did not get rosin at all. I did not understand it. Why was so why would be a more expensive product? Why people preferred it over other types? But that was some exceptional stuff. So props to you on that. Wow, thank you very much that that really means a lot to me I've worked really hard. She won the hash bash, in fact, for our server. So if that tells you anything, yeah. Yeah, really cool. She'd be very proud. Earlier on, you also touched on how important trying was at home when you were learning. What is the drawing process like at work? Oh, it's so much easier. So once I scoop it out, I put it on the freeze dryer trays that are lined with parchment paper. And then you put those in the freezer to pre freeze, because they need to be frozen solid before you stick them in the freeze dryer. And then I use the freeze dryer for drying I do you do adjust the temperature down. This is somewhere where I'm going to come in conflict with a lot of people. I've been using the freeze dryer for a really long time before anybody was even using it for hash that I'm aware of. I mean, there might have been but the freeze dryer works through sublimation. Okay, so what happens is the freeze dryer heats up and releases the moisture from the product and the vacuum sucks it up and it sticks to the drum. And that's how things get dry. And so and so the freeze dryer cycles through a heat and cooling cycle as it does this because your products frozen in there because it always freezes it first. So when we first started, I reached out to somebody to ask about Hey, what are you drying your with your freeze dryer? All this because I had read that hash needed to be done at a different temperature. And they told me to run the freeze dryer at 35 degrees. And I'm like, that's not even out of freezing like, yeah, you know, like that's so I tried that. And I got wet hash. It didn't dry. And so I was like, I had already thought when they told me that I was like, that doesn't sound right because it has to heat up to a certain temperature in order for sublimation to occur. That's just how science works. So if your product's not defrosting at all, how is it releasing the moisture in the right amount of time or even at all? I personally set my freeze dryer at 50 degrees, because that is warm enough where it allows sublimation to occur, but not so hot that it affects the color or the terpenes or anything like that. And you know, and I just have found better results. I don't ever have wet hash. My hash is always dry. And so because you'll see a lot of people who tell you Oh, after you make your rosin, you need to tint it overnight to release the moisture. And that's because you had wet hash that you pressed because you didn't sublimate out the moisture during the freeze drying process, because everybody is so concerned about color that they're literally not even really freeze drying their stuff. Is that like a thing in hash where they want just white hash? Is that a demand or? It is a demand. It's very frustrating because a lot of people will pull early, you know, like everybody harvest two weeks early, and you'll have lighter color. Well, I honestly don't like the taste of hash rosin that's been pulled early. Because anybody who's a grower of any sorts has pulled their weed early or lost a branch or something along those lines and then dried it in the oven and smoked it, right? Yep. Okay, so we've all done that. So that taste, that weird chlorophyll like taste that comes with that early harvested weed that's not ripe is what you get in your hash. You don't get the terpenes. You just get that weird flavor. Yeah, I can definitely run it. To me, it's an injustice to the plant. Yeah, I mean, to me, it just sounds like marketing, almost like how how the customers are driving the genetics market by demanding cookies, even though growers know that's not an ideal strain to grow anymore, blah, blah, blah, we've kind of all moved on past it. But because the consumer is demanding it, it's almost like nobody can move on. Yeah, it makes sense. You know, the whole color thing came into play with distillate and BHL. Everybody was all like, Oh, you know, you can't have dark distillate and dark BHL means it's bad and all that. And then somehow it transferred over to hash. Yeah. And it's kind of ridiculous because in my opinion, some of the best hash is made from sungrown, full term weed. Yeah. It's got flavors that you just can't get from doesn't have bigger heads. You know, I mean, I haven't, I haven't exactly examined the difference in between the heads of indoor and outdoor up close. Sure. I'll have a chance to do that this year, though. I'm interested to take a look and see if there's a difference. I just I think it's the terpene profile that develops, you know, the sun does something out there. That's how the plant was meant to grow. Yeah. And indoor makes great hash too. I just think you need to let it go all the way. Let it do what it's supposed to do. Let those heads get white, get a few amber in there. Let it develop the terpenes. I mean, I remember when we grew the blueberry muffin in the very beginning, it smelled like pickles. And then it turned into this amazing Jiffy blueberry mix. So in a few weeks time, the terpene profile changed. So imagine if you're pulling two weeks early, the change in the terpenes that happens during that development, like there's a surge of all kinds of stuff in that last finishing part of flowering. And people are missing that because they're so hung up on I want white rosin. That makes that. Yeah. I mean, is there ever any white can you make white hash that is completely fully finished? Or would it always include some form of amber? No, it's always going to have amber because it's just how the plant is. Yeah. So if you're seeing white hash, can you artificially do that? Is there a case where people are artificially doing it? Well, a lot of people are passing CRC off as hash. And what's CRC? The color remediated stuff. And it's not even hash. It's actually BHO that's been run through the color remediation thing and they remove all the color and shit from it. And then they sell it as hash. I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah. This is a thing that they make. Oh yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's to help remove, you know, because they first used it like with distillate and stuff to help remove pesticides or stuff from the dirty distillate. And then people learned how to do it with BHO and then people started saying, oh, look at this looks like rosin. So I'm going to sell it as rosin, though it's just BHO. Yeah. That's wild. But you know what, like it's not too far off from what I'm seeing in the market with them passing off outdoors indoor in the Mylar bags because you can't really see it from the outside. And I don't know that the market can identify it anyways, either way, if they're not growers. Like even I can have a hard time sometimes, you know, like with that with your boss bitch the other day, it was so well grown and so loud. And you know, the bucket said it's like 11 months old. So I figured this has to be really well dried and cured indoor. But no, it's the density everything was so nice on it. I would have never guessed. So yeah, I mean, the stuff I'm seeing though is that it's passed off as outdoor to indoor is nowhere near like that. It is obviously like oxidized outdoor completely. That's a big problem with the industry. Yeah, it is. And you know, like, that's another aspect of not having to deal with corporatocracy, though, that's pretty cool. If you guys can make it work, you know, because you won't have to play in those games, you don't as a smaller corporation, you don't have to appeal to investors and people that aren't cannabis people, you know, pushing the rules. So that's pretty cool. Yep, exactly. Yeah. I want to flip the question a bit. And ask you, you know, for those of us at home who we don't really know what to look for in hash. In terms of you talked quite a bit about the process. And we just asked now starting to talk about the end product. So in your opinion, you know, how can we know when hash is good, in your opinion, what's what makes good hash? In terms of the actual product? Are you talking visually or smoking just to break it down for her a little further? Those things. So basically, once hash has arrived in your hands in some form, and you don't know anything about the process, how do you judge that it's good? Well, I would say my first thing would be just I always smell it first to see what it smells like. Yeah, I don't, I don't ever judge by color, because, you know, I already explained that part. Yeah, but yeah, I would say it's upon smoking it, like, if it's live rosin, and, you know, you want it to have a good melt in your bowl and not crackle, or anything like that, because if it crackles or something, that means it has moisture in it. And then I and then I go by the taste when I when I smoke it, how it tastes, because I can't stand that early harvested taste, because it to me, it's just this weird, I don't even know how to describe it. It's just the weird coating flavor. So I also look for like, if the terpenes coat your mouth, that's also a good sign of a nice hash because you get that where you, you know, for a couple minutes afterwards, you can actually taste it on your palate, and you're like, yeah, you're like, What was that? That's what are these flavors that are happening? Now, if it's like the full melt, you want to put it on a, you know, bowl and melt that and see if it actually bubbles and melts down and does all that nice gooeyness into your bowl, you know? Now you mentioned gathering. Good. You go man. No, I was going to ask there's a there's a few terms you use like live rosin live. Can you explain that term? Because I think it's very misunderstood even by me. So live rosin means that they cut the plant when they cut the plant down, they bucked it up and immediately froze it within like, you know, 20 to 30 minutes of it being cut off the plant. It's put into a bag, like the way we did it was we got dry ice, and we put in ice chest and then we put a bag in there, because you don't want your weed to come in contact with dry ice ever. Yeah, because dry ice is manufactured with chemicals. And so it has chemical residues on it. So dry ice can be used for stuff, but you don't ever want your stuff to come in contact with it. And so you put the bag in there and then as you're trimming the lead, like we would chop the plant down and hang it upside down and then just start the leafy and then you take the buds and you chop those up and as you're chopping them up, you're dropping them into the bag and they're freezing. And the way we do it is we put them in the turkey bag first, because if you you don't want to vacuum seal them, because when you vacuum seal it, you smash everything and they're going to stick together and you're smashing trichomes and all that. So you just want it packed loosely in a bag. If you want to put it in a vacuum seal bag you can but don't vacuum seal it just seal it. And then it goes straight into a freezer. And that's where it stays until it gets washed. And that's what makes it live rosin. So how does that differ from fresh frozen? That's the same fresh frozen whole plant fresh frozen is what makes live rosin. Gotcha. Gotcha. I've always wondered what live meant like if they were keeping the plant in the pot and like lifting it over to the press and like smashing it like that's what I thought it meant. I didn't know. I'm like, I've seen the new term like living diamonds and I'm like living now this is taking it a step further like not just a live in a pot like I thought but living diamonds. Does this have you ever heard this term? Dad, that's a new one for me. I don't know. Like are they still growing in there? It should be growing in my jar by the way it sounds. I don't know. I mean, I've made solventless diamonds, but I wouldn't say they were anywhere close to living. I mean, I made them with live rosin, but I wouldn't say they were living. Yeah, going from live to living is is it is a it is a leap a little bit, you know, like something's inferred and implied and the others like, why? You're alive? I don't know. I just I I remember some of the first people I saw using the term live resin was over in Colorado. I can't remember who it was. It was one of the it's one of those guys, right? Richard or one of those dudes. But yeah, it was it was very interesting. Watching that come up and then like, people gate keep over that term and saying, oh, no, that's really not what it is. This is what it is, you know, like people redefining it as it went. So I was always kind of interested where the definition ended up landing. And yeah, yeah, yeah. I also did want to like, just summarize some of what you said about how you evaluate hash and you and kind of like what Matt has has said about flour as well, like, you can't really judge it based purely on its visuals. Like you were saying, too much variability, too much diversity. You can't really tell that something's good based purely on how it looks. I was just curious about one other quality. Can you tell anything from how pliable or not the hash it's is there? Does that mean anything? Um, well, if it that would be the stuff that's a little less pliable is what people refer to as fresh press. It's what comes right off the press. But then it also depends on strains. Yeah, every strain is different. When it comes to washing and then the texture you get at the end of the hash, every strain has a total different effect. There's some strains that are very creamy texture like. And then there's ones that are almost shatter like. Yeah. So it's it's hard to judge off the texture as far as if it's a good quality or not. Yeah, I yeah, I would agree too because like I've had with what little hash experience I have because I'm such a new to hash other than like smoking like bubble hash and like finger hash, you know, like going into the diamonds and all that stuff. I'm fairly endube. And so I remember making shatter back in the day in San Diego and being you know, like I know what that tastes like. And seeing all these other hashes come out that look like they're just gooey trichomes. I assume that shatter would be the subpar stuff now because especially because it's so cheap now. But like the other day I'm seeing shatter that's just as tasty as anything else. Whereas like mentally I'm thinking it's cheaper. It must not be as good. But I don't even know if that's the case. Do you have any opinions on that one with shatter versus any of the other sorts? You know, because the texture doesn't necessarily have to do with the quality as it well, in some cases it does because like I know that if when we were messing around back in the day when we would press some older weed, like that was been cured and older back when we were doing the flour rosin thing, stuff from older weed came out more shatter like it didn't want to get creamy. It didn't want to have any kind of texture, but just to make a mess, like literally like glass. And so I don't know if BHO is along those same factors where you know maybe something that's older has a tendency to not have those maybe the fats and lipids that bind it together so much. So you're getting something that's you know a totally different texture and that glass like texture. If that makes sense. It's just so interesting to me because like if you smell shatter, you're like you're not getting a ton of scent off it. Even something like the dried rosin. I don't get a ton of scent off it, but when you smoke it it's like full flavor. Everything's there and like it's all new experience to me. You know, I love it. I love learning all this stuff. What I don't like is like dispensary typical dispensary stuff because you just never know what kind of mystery magic you're getting, especially when it's like black market dispensaries and stuff. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You touched on this a little bit peach, but I did want to know what your favorite plants or strains were for extracts. The first one that comes to my head is Strawberry Banana. She's a dream. She washes well and retains the terpene profile very well. Makes a great textured rosin. Just a really good one. A couple other that I've washed that were good washers were grapes and cream. That one produced that over 5%. Do you know what the lineage of that one is? No. Honestly, I do know. It's probably an exotic Mike one, I'm guessing. With Anne cream. You know, like cookies or cream type stuff. Yeah. Yep. And you stole strawberry cream and put me strawberries and cream. Yeah, kid. Okay. So that's two. Any others that you like? Oreos was a good washer for me. Let's see. The Doughboy didn't do bad at all either. I hate washing gelato. Okay. Yeah, let's flip it. What are the worst ones? Gelato. What are the worst ones? Gelato. Okay. It's not just me, fellows. No, what I've found with gelato is it has very thin membranes, THC membrane heads, you know, because that's part of what when you wash how she want something that the membrane of the THC head is kind of durable so it can deal with the washing without it makes a shadowing. Yes. So gelato likes to those heads shatter really easy. And so what happens when you wash gelato is not only are they're not very many heads, but the heads that there are shatter and so you end up with like a sticky mess in your bag because you know when it's a sandy resin it collects in a bundle and it's down there in the water and it's swirling around but when it the heads shatter like that they just want to stick in your bag and you can't get them out like even with the coldest spray water they'll still stick in your bag screen and it's just maddening because it's a mess and you lose THC and like it's just not fun because there's hardly anything left when you scoop except for some fats and lipids and a little bit of THC. The other one besides that I have to say now I don't know whose trainwreck it was but it was a trainwreck that was grown by a friend of ours that it was a horrible wash it. Interesting. Yeah. We washed five pounds of it and got seven grams. Wait five pounds and you got seven grams. Absolutely horrible because when we washed five pounds of strawberry banana we got over two ounces of rosin back. Oh wow. Yeah that's horrible. So that's a comparison for you from over two ounces of rosin to seven grams of the same amount of flour washed. And that would be purely because of its heads for whatever reason? Yeah you know or it could be how it was grown. I mean somebody else might grow a trainwreck that you know washes better I'm not sure but it has to do a lot of factors it's you know you can go back from to the the strain itself and the structure of its heads how it releases them how much THC it has and then you go to the grower and that person has to you know grow it right and treat it right because otherwise it's not going to be very good just like flour it's the same thing if you don't put that love and time and attention into it you're not going to get hash. Hash is only as good as what's put into it. Yeah it's kind of like what man I were talking about a little bit in the name game episode where the plant when you're when you're like processing the plant they're just so many different points at which you could mess it up really or different points at which you could change something quite quite majorly without really knowing. Yeah yeah I'm I'm excited to see how the punchy washes did you you've gotten to smell all the the examples now right? Yes I did I'm excited about that punchy one because it had some really good flavor and I'd be interested to see if that gets to come through the wash and into the hash itself actually. Fingers crossed yeah yeah nice shout out to the punchy bluster yeah oh we have the review going up tonight so you know anybody watching this video can go back and check out the reviews of the same samples that she's talking about right now. Yeah it will be like a week in the past now but yes yes people can check that out okay well I did want to round out some of the tech side and I wanted to kind of bring it back to people who make hash at home and just one want to kind of maybe ask you a difficult question which is like from all your experience you know what would be some of your like top tips for people making hash at home. You've sort of touched on a little bit of this already so don't don't worry about repeating yourself but you know what are the stages and what are the techniques to focus on? Well if you're at home you know I have made some bomb hash in my kitchen without a cold room you know everybody says you have to have a cold room and it does help. I'm not going to lie but if you're at home you know wait till night time and turn on your AC so it's cooler in there. The other thing would be have a an igloo cooler you know like you put water in like construction guys use them all the time they're drinking water safe so you get yourself an igloo cooler and you fill that up with ice and water and then you have your pump sprayer and you fill that up with ice and when you're going to scoop your bags and rinse you make sure you fill your sprayer that's full of ice with the ice water from that igloo because the main important thing when collecting your hash and doing the whole hash process is keeping things cold and so at home you're battling not having a cold room and so having your spray water chilled and ready having your sprayer cold is essential and then I have found by putting ice in the bottom of my catch can under the bags like in the bottom where the water goes and then in my 220 bag in the top I'll put ice in there too because that'll help keep your catch can cold yeah and then I would say make sure you soak your or put your scoops in ice water so they're nice and cold the using the two 220s make sure you you know you wash in your wash bag 220 and then use a catch 220 and then at home you do have to I do not recommend doing several washes and then pulling at home you're going to want to do your 10 minute wash with and and this would vary I mean if you've got a small set up with a one gallon you're going to want to wash for five minutes not 10 right you know that it sizes up as you go so you don't because you don't want to overwash and I think sometimes a lot of people overwash more than they underwash and so at home you're going to want to do your wash and your settle and your drain and then you're going to want to collect your bags and then repeat the process after that and so as and that's how when you collect those bags you look and see how much hash you're getting in there and then after each wash you evaluate those scoops of hash and that's how you can determine for yourself how many washes you want to do like I said at home sometimes I would do four or five washes where at work I do three and I'm done trying to get it you know through the cycles so at home I would recommend you know as you scoop you know use your intuition if you look like you're still getting a good amount in there then go another watch but if it's like a miniscule amount and you're like I don't know if it's worth all that hassle then it's time to call it quits there those are really good tips anything on the drying at home or yeah any tips for like how we know people don't have a freeze dryer obviously so what what's the next best thing people can do um well the they want to you know use the micron screens and just like we did back in the day with the put it on the cardboard so it pulls out the moisture and then keep it covered in the refrigerator so it doesn't oxidize too much but it still will you know release the moisture and do all that and then there's the whole microplaning it after that and then letting it dry some more on the screens that's the best thing you can you can do and if you don't care about color then you don't have to worry about the air too much and most people who are drying air dry anyways aren't too worried about color because it's already going to be a little darker because of the air drying unfortunately air is the enemy of hash so yeah yeah okay I had one one last one on people for people at home which is um in terms of the actual process of washing or agitating you know what what is your like ideal for someone at home um well I would not use a electric mixer of any sort or a drill no drills no um you can buy you know you can either buy a whisk at the store some people like to use whisk um the kitchen store is a great place to go or like the restaurant supply store uh you don't mean like a hand whisk right yeah like a machine whisk no well no they're like an actual bigger whisk um well it depends on the size of your bucket like if you're using a one gallon and yeah you could use a little hand whisk no problem and I would say like I say a five a five minute agitation on that on a on a little one gallon bucket now if you're going to go to a five gallon bucket you could probably do a 10 minute and be totally fine and I mean you're not going to want to beat the hell out of it but you've got to try to push the water through the bud so you're gonna want to wash it I mean if you've ever watched a washing machine you know like not the new ones that don't have the thing but you know old school ones that spun you know that's if you've watched any hash machine on instagram run you can see how it it it does push stuff through it's not too gentle of a process but it's also you know it's it's a learning process you can tell people and that's what I find is people a lot of times somebody told me they watched for 25 minutes and I'm like wow 25 minutes straight and how many times and he's like four times and I was like oh no no that's totally unnecessary you know because you're you know you don't want to beat the hell out of stuff yeah um I can I can verify you don't want to beat the hell out of stuff because you have to remember the longer it's in the water the it if your product's frozen it's defrosting and what you'll see is as it defrost it will start to release chlorophyll more and so once that starts to happen is when you you know you don't want to be washing forever because you're trying to do it in a short amount of time before that weed gets so saturated it's a sloppy mess yeah thanks yeah thank you so many um gems that you've dropped already um I'm gonna have to re-watch this a few times just yeah just to get some of this down I know a lot of it seems basic but I am so basic when it comes to hatch making I will need to yeah because I'm I'm gonna do a round soon I think um so I'm gonna try and try and absorb as much of this as possible um we wanted to maybe do a little uh tangent away from from the hash for a moment and ask you about your edibles yeah I don't know where to begin I mean did Matt get to try anything I did I got to try a bunch and um you know I'm not a big edible person I love the place flavor cannabis and stuff but I've always found it's either like my friends have put like you know 10 grams into a brownie of hash and I'll just be total for three days or I just don't get affected too much but these were really nice man and it wasn't just like the effect it was the actual flavor the things I'd never seen before and and I don't know if you want to talk about like some of the milk dead stuff like that that are very unique and just amazing well um you know I've I've been doing edibles since we've been doing weed um at first I did you know caramels cookies and all that stuff um but when we got the freeze dryer um buckshot canamine he's like hey have you seen or ever heard of freeze dried skittles and I'm like of course not like I don't know anything about the freeze dryer yet we just got it yeah reading the book here and it talks about you know you do ice cream and I'm like I remember space you know yeah ice cream from school I remember that and that's obviously what this is and he's like dude like we should look into freeze dried candies and I was like okay so we started with hash and then I threw in some skittles and figured out how to medicate them and it was kind of over from there yeah I bet I started doing all kinds of stuff I learned you know in my opinion if a candy like there's certain candies that don't work Mike and I don't work chocolate doesn't freeze dry peanut butter doesn't freeze dry um there's certain candies that just don't want to do things others do you know it's just a matter like licorice just gets hard and and I only do candies that change into a texture that's appealing like to me if it just freeze dries and gets hard that doesn't mean it's actually worth it yeah exactly so it was a lot of trial and error with things but uh so yeah I started doing the freeze dried candies because I wanted to have something that nobody else had on the market everybody has the same edibles everybody's got gummies they do brownies they do all the you know the same lollipops yeah yes okay so go ahead I have a I have a provocation here um which is I'm someone who's like why mix food and you know and cannabis why not just keep them separate make good candy sure about why why mix them like what's the point well because consuming cannabis has a totally different effect and um there are some people who don't like to smoke and some people who can't smoke people with COPD and things like that that can't actually you know smoke cannabis can use it and consume it and get the benefits from it by eating it and um and people eat it at work and do it in front of everyone they'd have nobody has any clue it's nice and sneaky you know yeah that's that's just like one of the things that's to me yeah there you go peaches um I like the edibles to be able to sleep at night like when I travel and stuff and I'm not going to get a good night sleep that's when I like to use edibles because I honestly as much as I love making edibles I hate the taste of weed with a passion like it'll always make me puke I love it I love it so much that's funny because you make such good stuff with it it's unreal oh you should see my face there's times when I've made brownies right and I like out of habit lick my finger and be so sorry oh my god so sorry that I did that because I just I can't stand the taste of it but the thing about my edibles I like is they don't have that overwhelming weed flavor that I can't get past I mean I've had edibles we bought back in the day that I literally couldn't eat I was like I can't I'm gonna puke like I bet and so part of my goal was to create edibles that not really unique in style but didn't have such a strong flavor that maybe people want to eat them and that was part of the feedback I've got from people is that they do enjoy my edibles because they're not such an overwhelming weed flavor that they can't actually enjoy it yeah I know my my chick was doing literal dances as she ate your cucumbers your your freeze dried cucumbers and they had like dill on them and stuff so they're kind of pickly yeah they were like pickle chips they were she is so in love with those things so you even make healthy items too now that um out as well yes that was one of my goals too is um one I don't think you should have to eat a thousand calories to get high yeah it's not right two point um cannabis is supposed to be medicine and a lot of people are using um it for for illnesses and for cancer and we all know sugar feeds a lot of cancers and so when I developed my edible line the one there's several things I kept in mind one was serving size none of my bags of candy are more than a serving of candy you don't have to eat two whole bags of skittles to get high yeah you get 25 skittles in a bag which is the serving size of one of those little bags of skittles that you would get and that's what you get same thing with all the other candies it's not a huge serving and then I also wanted to do healthy ones so that somebody who can't eat candy like me yeah yes can have a fruit and I just started doing the vegetables recently um but I've been doing fruit for a long time because to me that was like oh you can put it in yogurt you can put it in a smoothie um you can eat it straight I mean it's great and it's healthy like you you can consume it and not feel guilty yeah and for somebody who's a cancer patient and they want to consume a certain amount of cannabis a day um I think it's important for somebody to have a healthy choice to do that yeah absolutely and and like you said ingestions actually the strongest way to take in cannabis in the first place so someone has like a serious serious pain management issue like maybe like trying to sit there and smoke joints every 10 minutes it's gonna be a bit much on their lungs so yeah you can eat one hash brownie and be toasted for a few days and be good you know yeah yeah I think you should be really proud of those um the the healthy items that you have too because you just I don't really see that in dispensaries or collectives too often where you're seeing like like cucumber chips and stuff that's that was really really out of the box and super delicious thank you I'm really glad you liked them yeah I'm I'm even though I'm diabetic I still got to try a milk thud and those were insane I don't even like milk thuds but these things you put it it was like a ball like this big and you put it in your mouth and it just melts it just melt it was so heaven it was so good so yeah I'm a fan I'm a fan for life thank you that's part of the other cool thing about some of the freeze-dried things is stuff that like people who have teeth problems um you know some people can't eat salt water taffy anymore uh any kind of taffy and when you freeze just you know like the caramel inside the mouth that is it puffs up yes and it becomes that crunchy ball of goodness and so like salt water taffy does the same thing wow it puffs into a little ball and so it just melts in your mouth and so people who can't eat those things anymore can now eat them and experience that same flavor just in a different way and experience without losing a tooth they're messing up their dental work for any of that stuff yeah that's for real I got jacked up tea since I was young so like that's a serious concern like hard candies and stuff like that I don't even mess with it because I don't want to knock out teeth or anything crazy but yeah these just melt in your mouth it was insane insane so good I'm jealous you should be you really should be because you're excited maybe one day I'll make it over maybe one yeah you've got to you've got your next party yes you definitely must um well I I did actually have more questions within the like extracts or hash section but I also thought we could move to some more general open questions about you know your reflections on your time in the industry and and what not and then maybe we have time after that we can come back to some of the other extract questions yeah so I did want to come back to the you know how has it been you know you mentioned women in the context of like veterans and like them needing safe spaces what's it like for you as a woman in the in the in the in the cannabis scene um feel free to be as honest as you want you know or not yeah yeah as diplomatic or as not as nah well it's definitely a man a male dominated industry um yeah that's for damn sure and for me I think my version of being a woman in the industry is probably a little different than some others because I don't have any big names behind me I don't I'm not related to anybody famous um yeah I've had to fight tooth and nail to be where I am I remember going to get a job trying to get a job at the local grow store and they told me they wouldn't hire me because I was a girl and I guarantee I could grow better weed than anybody there I promise you could um yeah not the so yeah and for example when I first started this job um there was another guy that uh he he had actually wanted to do a article on me uh for some of about flower rosin that he had gotten from me um and uh anyway he he got to talking with the people who I'm involved with pure organic medicinals and he actually during a period of time um I had because I'm a two-time cancer survivor I've had breast cancer and ovarian cancer so a couple years ago I had a scare where I thought my breast cancer had come back and so I wasn't able to come up to work uh for like two weeks because I had to go to my appointments and have a mammogram and ultrasound and all this stuff and during that time period this guy tried to take my job wow and I guarantee if I had been a male he wanted to try to do that no yeah and uh because he was trying to set his girlfriend up to be the female presser for our company and you know and I'm like um I am a female yeah I don't I don't need help like so it's been hard you know I went and took uh they paid for me to take a class a hash class this the pure again it's paid for me to go take this hash class just to see what was going on out there and uh I found it funny because we went to the class and when I first showed up they're like oh are you here to drop somebody off no I'm here to take the class oh okay and then um I I was nice I brought you know because I I'm a giving person so I brought some edibles with me and I handed them out and I find it funny that after I paid for a class and took the class and I watched up for those people in that class follow everybody who took the class but not one of them followed me that's wild that is so wild to me they are so sad and oh man yeah it's sad but also like unsurprising unfortunately to me it's also their loss like even in our group you know like our group it is a very good demographic of mostly male like the cannabis community is it's like a few females and 99 percent male but like not at any time what I have ever thought to not like respect your experience and skills because you're a woman like it wouldn't have mattered if your name was sweet peach kiss or dougie bob fresh you know it wouldn't have mattered and I just it blows my mind that people are so ignorant they'll walk away from some someone super talented that they can learn a lot from just to uh not have to cater to women or some annoying shit I don't get it myself but it's yeah it is that I just want to say you know shout out and respect to all the women in the industry can't be easy I'm right for all those reasons and and yeah I think you know we're gonna we do what we can I think within our little community to to make sure that you know people feel as as safe and as comfortable and as welcome as we can make them but yeah it's definitely a set of problems that like this industry is not dealt with yet not very well not at all not at all yeah not to mention I could tell you a couple hash makers who I've had to block cuz they you know for some reason find it necessary to find send pictures of not hash oh yeah and that's another thing in our like I hear this all the time guys keep your dick in your pants women don't want to see that it's ugly like no I've never heard heard of a woman in my life like man I'd really like to see someone's penis that's a very attractive fleshy member like what do they think like this is not how I don't know I'd much rather see a picture of hash yeah right yeah show me your hat it'll impress me not your little dick right yeah cuz now I gotta block you and fucking all that cuz it's totally inappropriate and unnecessary and like really and it creates a lot of bad feelings too because it's not just you it's your man too because now you know what I mean well yeah and no thought at all no would you do that to any other male hash maker I'm sorry do you see you send your dick to a guy maybe it's actually what we need to start doing we need to we need to equalizing things so yes we do I'm gonna start sending my dick to every breeder out there and hash maker you're welcome I'll just start sending someone else's dick to every other guy out well yeah I'm not really gonna send mine I don't want to get made fun of kind of pick up yeah anyway um yeah yeah so you know again like mad respect it's it must be one of those things we're like they're such the obstacles that you face must be so subtle sometimes and so sinister and no one else can see them you know a lot of the men won't be able to see what you guys are facing and yeah hopefully over time we hear more stories like yours and you know like with anything else we just draw people's attention to the fact that these things happen yeah still yeah you know I just to add to this I watched you know I had mentioned that we were going to be putting Ms Jill seeds on the site and I was pretty disgusted at the response that the male people were giving her a lot of it had nothing to do with her as like being a person it was more about her being female and I just judging her off just being female and it was just so bad in I need a blocking so many people that day it's just yeah do better please do better kind of a community you know that's part of why I don't post pictures like of myself smoking and doing all that because I want to be taken seriously I don't want to be seen as an influencer or a dab hoe I've had to work really hard to not be considered as a dab hoe you know you have to work extra hard you have to work extra hard and that's that's not fair yeah it's actually so terrible like yeah what you have to wear like fake glasses to look smarter and I don't know like shorter man it's actually so ridiculous no I actually you know I posted a picture of myself washing hash and I'm sorry I have boobs I'm a female and sometimes in the cold room even in the middle of summer it's cold but when you're washing hash you'll get warm like I do I don't know maybe it's just a hot flash or whatever anyways so I posted a video on me washing hash because I'm proud of the fact that I can do this by myself like yeah I don't have a team I don't have any help up here it's literally me by myself and I do it the whole way through and I've taken great pride in that and some guy commented on my post oh well you know just using your boobs to sell hash blah blah blah I was like ignorant fox how is it that a guy can post himself washing hash and nobody says shit about him but because I have boobs you're gonna make shitty comments to me that I'm trying to use my boobs to sell hash really they're just threatened I mean it's just to me that just like threatened easy yeah exactly I find out real quick the men who have egos yeah about it by the way people respond to me and talk to me um you know the discord's been great people are amazing that's become better be it's a way better community um there than I found anywhere else so um that makes me happy props to you for creating that because you know if the guys in there are funny as hell though I have to say yeah you know like I have to remind myself like to be extra but like you don't ever get offended by my domestic jokes or anything else I'm used to like getting on guys no are you kidding because growing you know being in the cannabis industry this whole time pretty much it's all been guys I've always been what I call windy of the Peter Pan boys yeah yeah the last place yeah I'm usually the only girl of the group and it's all a bunch of crazy wild guys doing whatever and I'm over here like can we not do that so we don't die yeah I'm like the voice or reason of everybody so that's kind of how discord feels yeah I mean that's that's the other funny part like I think people see a you know identify someone as a woman and they're like please mother me I'm gonna do some naughty stuff can you tell me not to do it yeah and I don't know I at the same time I will say like we do have a few demented people now in our community but overall I think it's like a pretty good place sometimes they hide in plain sight yeah but you know we we're always keeping an eye on it we're always looking at ways to improve it so very much appreciate your presence there yeah me too yeah and well you guys have both been an awesome awesome yeah that's great yeah yeah thank you yeah power couple I think it's what people in the server I believe that's a term I did want to move on to you kind of reflecting more on GI Mary Janes as well as kind of adjacent so you mentioned that it kind of slowed down over COVID is it starting back up is it still active we're currently not active because I'm trying to find a place to meet I can't really afford to rent somewhere first all to meet and I live up in the hills and I well plus I don't let strangers come to my house I mean I do know these ladies but like if we have a group somebody who wants to come that I don't know I can't trust people at my house um yeah so we're I'm I'm still currently looking for a meeting place because it needs to be somewhere where we can hang out and smoke yeah you know not many people allow that yeah inside I was just thinking sorry this is totally an interruption but I was just thinking um I don't know how the women are with tech but you know you could always set up like a little discord just for them as well um in the absence of like a you know a physical space um you could have a little discord server great idea yeah we'll help you set it up yeah if you need help let us know but pretty easy honestly that's a great idea wow because you know y'all could even do like little virtual sessions and stuff um yeah because I don't know I I always think about part of it is the camaraderie that they have to be able to talk and hang out and um wow that's it you can just totally yeah thank you I think Matt knows this but I always have like an eye towards like what it takes to build community and sustain it um so yeah I'm always interested in that kind of thing yeah I love I love that idea too I just got to say that again like the forethought into it the that they're women getting together to speak about this stuff it's amazing I love it yeah so cool well yeah you know the being you know I've been a victim in my life um I was raped when I was 18 um and I also when I was in six grade I was a boy tried to uh take me into the bushes on the way home from school and then uh when I was uh I used to manage the pines bar um and uh I was doing it was a really great job um it was perfect I was able to support us I was a bartender and one night uh I had asked some guys to leave the bar because they were being too rowdy and I did exactly what buckshot asked me not to ever do which was come out from behind the bar yeah and escort people out uh because security was busy out on the patio and so as I was walking out the door telling these people to leave a gentleman came running up from behind me and took a giant flying leap and used the back of my head as a punching bag what the hell um I lost consciousness of course the ground um I had to go the emergency room um it took me a year of physical therapy to recover oh my god and I actually ended up with a permanent disability where I lost 30 percent of the use of my right arm yeah um and I wasn't able to bartend anymore you can't bartend without your right hand did they catch him no no my brother-in-law had him for five minutes on the table beating the shit out of him until security came and grabbed him off of him and let the guy run out the door oh my oh my god well at least he got some he did he got he got some he he did get some but he didn't get what he deserved because he messed up my entire life you'd never hit like I don't care who you are if it's a man woman you never hit someone in the back of the head because the consequences of this part of your your spine yeah like it's it's so permanent and even if you're mad at someone the damage you can do not only to them but to your life at bars prison goes is immense so please anybody listening never ever think you that never horrible less to a woman I can't imagine yeah if I had seen it coming I at least could have fought back but I I had no clue and it was so quick I just remember this blinding pain in my head that just came forward and then like I was on the ground and then it's girlfriends like can I buy a shot of tequila bro no that's okay but that's part of why I'm also proud of being able to wash ash like I do is that you know I'm I'm disabled I my right arm and shoulders been fucked up ever since yeah and he totally yanked out the rug from under my feet I mean I had a job that supported us I made really really really good money like I was the manager and head bartender like and we had I don't know if you thousandfold had ever heard of contiki yeah I know what that is yeah you know I can't contiki night on Thursdays every Thursday night I did that whole tour bus and everybody was from Australia and New Zealand and oh man those were the best nights it sounds fun I have to say it is a popular thing oi oi oi oi oi karaoke night yeah contiki tours are a really popular thing for like the younger people who've like you know they go on what they call the oe overseas experience because the country is so isolated you know they need to go somewhere um that's really cool that you've you've come across some of those people yeah it's funny yeah it was great because you know uh we're right by the gateway to Yosemite so we're part of that whole uh come see everything yeah so it was great how how far do you have to travel to work up here I drive six hours what yeah wow I had no idea you stay there right you don't you don't go back home you stay there for a few days oh no I stay in a hotel yeah wow I had no idea you drove that far up north holy crap yeah that's a lot of that's again commendable that's hard working going way out of your way to get this done so props on that yeah thank you like I said it's it's been not been easy it's been a hard road to try to do this yeah yeah I mean speaking of hard road you know thank you again so much for sharing um you know some of those stories you know um yeah really really really hard stuff um and I hope everyone who's listening like you know take something away from that um yeah well you know we are coming I think close to the end um and I wanted to ask you know what's next for you what's next for like the business and yeah what are you excited about I'm excited about hitting distribution um uh and things actually hitting the market uh that's probably that coming is that near it is near that's what I've been doing this last few days is getting everything ground up and packaged um it just takes a while because it's only me I'm the only one that does all the gramming uh because I'm the only one with the quality control um yeah it takes a while to and plus I can't be up here you know I have my other businesses I run um and so it's it's hard I come up here and I do some work but then I got to go home and do work and so I can't be up here plus I can't afford a hotel for more than a couple days at a time I bet because you're investing your own money in this to do this correct like the gas hotel well yeah between a lot of the time hotel and all that yeah sometimes they pay me like when they have money and then like I said sometimes they don't so it's you know it's a labor of love for you and and hoping it yes it is yeah so getting to hit distribution means I will be getting a paycheck eventually like that's what I'm hoping for so this becomes my full-time job so I can fully immerse in it and then if it all takes off and they're supposed to put in a kitchen so that then my edibles can hit the market and that's probably another thing that I'm most that's money money when people taste your edibles that's money I'm telling you I've tried so many edibles there's money you have to let me and Matt know when things are starting up so we can like you know spread the word yeah I will definitely absolutely yeah um on that note you know anything else from either of you any other reflections questions no I I'm good peach is there anything you want to plug any anything you wanted to say specifically get any messages out oh well you guys helped me plug pure organic medicinals I mean that's the company that I'm representing and working for and so when you guys see it on the shows just know that I made that hash by hand right it's been hand washed so I think that's it you know I mean thank you so much I mean you that I can it's been such a good conversation you know what a great mix of like you know your personal journey the tech the industry you know some of your experiences as a woman like this has been such a cool episode so thank thank you thank you I hope I didn't ramble too much not at all no it was great I learned a lot I learned a lot and like I said I'm gonna have to go back and read this several times as I'm sure a lot of people will because there's a lot of good info here as for especially for inspiring like hash makers like this is this is great one thing about starting my own discord for hash so you should people want to ask me questions I'll ask you know I answer questions I'm not one of people that's not going to tell you say so yeah we could also we could also set up like an extracts channel I know we sort of have the hash bash maybe we could convert that into like an extract channel as well sure whatever yeah of course you know I like do go try setting up these other communities especially like you know us floating the idea GI Mary James I think that could be a really cool idea yeah just let us know if you need any help as well absolutely I will for sure I probably will be picking your brain yeah we're always around yeah especially for you guys yep yeah all right thousand you got anything no I think that's us all right I think 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