 So hello everybody This this is funny pointing out the Lenovo internals. This is boys like that This is actually the very last slide in the deck, but I put it at the front I just wanted to say thank you to the fedora community. You guys have been fantastic. You're been very welcoming and Just wanted to kind of write off the bat the the main aim of my talk now I'm gonna cover a bunch of Lenovo stuff, but I wanted to say thank you and And They say collaboration is I think 80% listening probably should be more, but yeah, I want to hear from you guys as well So I will probably talk too much. I'll try not to but yeah, thank you for Dora For my point of view it's been fantastic, and I hope you guys are enjoying it too Introduction and overview so just to introduce myself. I've got John Trasso is joining my colleague. So I'm Mark Pearson so I'm the I think Linux technical lead for the Linux PCT A lot of you would have seen me around before but for those who knew I kind of we have a team in Lenovo working getting Linux on That's hops. I am in Ottawa in Canada And John's face. I know he's hiding. It's it's early in the morning Actually Neil just as a note was a game ready for this my wife said have you had a shower? And I was like you can't for me, but I have had a shower to just you know, I smell good too As for my face I can try to do something about that, but I did not have a chance to test my video So you might be looking at my nostrils for a couple seconds. I'll let that go camera But yeah, what you want to introduce yourself while while you show everybody your nostrils So I'm Mark's counterpart on the commercial marketing side. I work I'm basically the software manager for all of our Lenovo workstations so I'm I'd be I work with him and I take all of the business cases up and discuss them with management and get approval and push for the overall Linux strategy across Lenovo Yeah, so and John frequently Saves my bacon and helps me out Already so I said I'd really like this this comes this to be more of a conversation Q&A I definitely want to hear from from you guys I was a little bit nervous about having 50 minutes of just open questions. So I've put together some topics to cover We'll cover here. So I tried to guess what would be interesting and useful if something is completely useless You let me know but I'm hoping some of it is is of interest to everybody We will talk about the web sales updates and we will talk about the Fedora portal and then I've got just a slide describing some of what I learned for sure And some of the process that went into doing releasing a Linux platform for the first time It's been an interesting exercise And then I've just got a bunch of stuff about other things that Lenovo doing more Linux related not specifically for Dora But a more Linux just kind of let you guys know what else we're up to and then yeah I was planning on leaving a big questions feedback. I'll I think I'll take questions as they come along I've got the chat up here. It's kind of annoying the screens there the cameras there So my apologies But I'll try and take questions as we go along and keep it as interactive as possible. And there's mrs. John Already so I'm assuming one of the big things everyone wants to know is about the web sales update. Where are those platforms? So let's get into it. So the X1 carbonate has cleared all but the last paper at Kettle It's basically it's with the web sales team to enable it and get it up on the web and we got Confirmation it will be before August 31st So I can't give you it will be this date, but they promise they will have it done before August 31st hopefully soon about worst-case-set August 31st is as your date so I've been pushing hard for this one So we have the P1 Gen 2 and the P53 as well No, this is not secret stuff Luna. You're the first people to know Matthew's the first person to know I've told him before this and then but but now this is not a secret We'll try and get you a more fixed date. I mean after that We I don't think we haven't done any media announcement either. Honestly, this stuff is fairly hot off the press. I was so P1 Gen 2, yeah, go for it John. I was gonna interject that I'm gonna try to get us a formal announcement through PR this week so It's not a problem if you guys socialize a little bit, but don't expect a big line of a statement until a few more days We don't get angry Luna and So Michelle, I'll come back to your question a bit. I saw it. So P1 Gen 2 P53 are the same state the images are ready. They've got a few more enablements dense to go I was really hoping you know target day is and I filled this in just this morning Cuz I was hoping to put the date in there Coming soon. So John, do you want to make so we're targeting end of August as well? Targeting skim schedule so before the end of August Same thing. It'll be the week this and out the announcement that I'm gonna try to get for this week. We'll cover these as well but it's same ballpark and coming soon and Just the final teaser So we did get approved to do fedora on the P1 Gen 3 and the P15 So successes to P1 Gen 3 P53. So they will be coming along later this year we've started testing on those and The process that so it's it's not just those three now. We got permission to go ahead and do that Aha, right. So I mean shelf your question on worldwide. Yes, it will be worldwide the Issue I know of is Russia There is some legal issues with Russia software, which means that We can't confirm Russia yet, but otherwise plan is worldwide. Did you want to add anything there, John? Yes, so there while they will be worldwide the Web sales enablement is done each country has or each geo has different websites So they tend to lag a little bit So in the meantime once there are a lot for sale here in the US Anybody it can go to their their local store and use the call-in number to reach inbound sales Who will be able to configure a system for you? You might just not be able to do it on the web for a little bit until they catch up Thanks, John ready Could you? Yes, well, I mean you can install it. Oh, can we do it? No, we can't ship you we can't install So so the question is could you install the fedora image to those who selected the Ubuntu one? So obviously we have full configuration for for Ubuntu We can't we can't install fedora in manufacturing that that that just wouldn't work But you can buy the Ubuntu one and put fedora. There's nothing stopping you. I've put fedora on a lot of our platforms It works fine. So yes We take for catching up It's a prioritization question for the individual geo web teams So a lot depends on what what promotions they've got going on what other work they've got going on it could be It could be any Anything from a week to they some of them might simply decide not to put it up on the web Each geo has their own decision for that But again, I do have it enabled in the internal configurators So inbound sales will always be able to configure this for you and sell it to you okay, and Each refresh needs to be manually approved. So We're still working through that and it'll be interesting when fedora 33 comes out We do have a test cycle that it has to go through So it's not gonna happen automatically There's costs and time and all the rest to it. So we're not picking up I mean fedora changes so often. It's not like you get a new image every day So we're still gauging that one might be something actually come back to you guys for recommendations, but Yeah, I don't have a great answer for you there, but yes I'm kind of hoping we do updates at least for the big releases It's gonna depend honestly a little bit on resources and almost label. Oh, but oh you mean a hardware refresh Well P1 Gen 3. Yeah, we we don't know for the rest. It's a little bit. Do you want to cover this one, John? yeah, so so Generally what I do on the workstation side is I I go ahead and get it I've already got it in the MRD documents the marketing requirements talks for those successor products So that line will continue to offer them Whether any expansions to that like for instance if we if we branch off and we want to add it on the p53s For instance that becomes a a separate discussion and approval because then we have to get back into the business case Okay I'm gonna be a little bit careful because this question is going out first Julian I'm gonna actually come back to your question when I do the timeline for product because it will give you an idea of what's involved with releasing a new image and So I'll cover that then. I mean I've already touched on it, but just for that LVFS I assume so much. I'm so much in my official list roadmap for LVFS support The way it works is we are pushing very hard that LVFS support is for All platforms all firmware devices on the platform so BIOS and The system firmware you will get it for all our Linux supported platforms For the devices we need support from the manufacturers and they get strongly pushed for it. It's it should happen It is happening. Sorry, excuse me, but sometimes it's slower than others So I it's not it's not a hundred percent yet, but we're really working on it The number of devices is going down. I know since I joined the team last year It's that big the gap is getting smaller, but we are looking at that and working on it Did you want to add anything on LVFS John? No, I think that covers it. Okay. I did want to note though that you did miss a question from Michelle Yeah, the question is silver blue implant on Lenovo or just workstation It's just workstation right now. I said I actually played the silver blue Month or so back. There was a fedora magazine article. Hey, push a shout out for Ben I loved fedora magazine. It's brilliant and it had an article about silver blue and I went and tried it It works. It works nicely. So I ran it on the X1 carbon beautiful So, yeah, right now, I honestly we don't have the bandwidth to do multiple multiple versions So not yet workstation for now We'll take guide if if yours if silver blue takes over workstation Then I guess we would switch maybe to but that's a discussion for the future The function and control keys that are swappable is their way to finish I don't know the answer to that one or will we meet by us? I think you might have to send me an email on that one and I'd have to go begin to it So my email address is right the end of the presentation, but not Pearson at Lenovo. I Want to say that it requires the bios and that but that we can use LMI potentially to do that Yes, and we will mention LMI later. It's a good question. Okay, so my I can't Ryan I can't give you a good answer now, but I will Super interesting the ending for 2014. So for those who are interested there was a poll that we created yesterday About whether you'd rather have an Intel 1amd platform, which is interesting So I genuinely am interested in finding out which platforms people want Quite often. It's a case of there's a range. I Be we John and I were discussing it just just what's the best way to collect that information. So for now Send me the details. Maybe there's an email and I'll collect them together It is I'd like to find a way doing that because thanks Matthew It does drive we want to we want to provide what what you guys want, right? There's no point are spending a lot of time and effort putting on platforms that aren't useful to the community and then Linux developers But yeah, everybody does want something different. So I think we've got some answers in there John Yep, what actually I was gonna suggest it would probably be a good thing Just a forum thread to solicit this feedback. That's that's an interesting idea. I'll mention that Everybody's comments will be visible to the rest of the community and we'll get Get more discussion. Yeah, and just that nearly I've had a few comments about in videos. It's not just for Dora That's by the by Did I miss anything else? Any chance of any Lenovo two in one laptops? That's so two in one is I have to be careful because I keep getting stuck on internal code names, but there's the detachable Is that what we're talking about? So that doesn't have Linux enablement on it a partly a lot of this is driven by the product teams not wanting it Of the foldable. Yeah, no, I played with the photo the foldable one when I was down in the most of North Carolina Last Yeah, it's interesting technology. We don't have Linux enablement on that now. So I can't comment We yeah, that doesn't have Linux on it full start right now. I think partly because it's too new It'll be interesting to see what's needed to make it work from a Linux point of view I'm assuming there'll be changes needed and no more whatever So the yogas are covered. Yeah, we have Linux enablement on the yogas. So, okay You actually you so I'm kind of Neil. I have to I'll have to talk to you at some point If you've got it running on the phone because I would I asked for one so I could play with it and I haven't got one. So So there you go Okay How the p53 is validated. Oh, no, we yeah, we so It depends on this obviously for Fedora, we validated it with Nouveau and When I come to the charts later will be part of testing. But yeah, no, we do and Nouveau and The test team did test the Nvidia install on Fedora, but it wasn't priority It does the Nvidia driver gets tested through the other distros. So it gets covered as well so Yes, and the external monitor requires the Nvidia card sets from GPU. Yes, so but We do test with Nouveau and Intel only and you know both hybrid and discrete mode Alrighty, so I'm gonna move on and there's a big section at the end if you think of any other questions that come up. So Next one is the Fedora portal that we've got Linux portal. So the idea here is we wanted a way to To to make it easier for Linux developers to get hold of these platforms We wanted to see that we want to work with the community and and John this was your idea, right? So John ran with this one, but we yeah, there will be a portal and you'll be able to go in and Log in with your Fedora project org email ID So recommend making sure your Fedora project email address works. I know mine doesn't right now But you'd be able to register you can create an account using that and you basically you get an extra discount So the screenshot there is from the employee one because I couldn't get into the Linux one, but Yeah, basically it is as easy as that We will announce you are out. It will be in the August timeframe as well with with everything else So Hopefully Hopefully it's good and just it's for everything Lenovo. It's not just the Linux ones You should be able to get anything. So if you do want that t14 AMD and We don't have it Actually, we do have Linux on that one, but if you the foldable there you go If you want to go by the foldable you'd be able to buy it with a discount and there we are so Alrighty Actually, and so Julian I've already got enough criteria to get the mail address. It's just some reason it's bouncing right now It's more technical issue rather than that. It's a Ben Ben was helping me out yesterday One, but we didn't quite get there. Otherwise, I would have had a screenshot of the real thing As for the quantity of the discount that that varies and it's it's all handled by a different team on the on the back end so it will actually Periodically change like if we've got a a lot of inventory or something that it'll go it'll increase if we're trying to get rid of something The discount on a specific product will increase. So there there's a lot of moving pieces there. So it's not a fixed number But it is I've been told it is comparable to what we get as employees Right and just so you know, it's the same for the employee one as well I I have spent my own money on Lenovo equipment using the employee discount and it's sometimes it's worth monitoring What's happening and and yeah, I don't know how they decide to place on that And Christian in terms of your answer that is actually a possibility. You can buy the systems with no OS However to do so you actually do have to call that number to spot to talk to the inbound sales team and they can configure it that way Now to note there are some countries where that's not permitted Where there are regulations saying that it has to ship with an operating system And if so it will just default to installing something like free-doss or something on there for you already and Yeah Yeah, let's go on. Okay, and one more one more thing in terms of the question I forget who it came from around Potential fake contributors just trying to get access so so we're not announcing this widely publicly Basically, we're we're leaving it to to mark and the other folks on the fedora leadership team to communicate it across the entire Organization of contributors But if we start seeing a big problem where you guys are seeing a lot of people Registering who aren't actually contributing then we'll we can discuss with you in terms of how we can Try to line that up But we found that we thought that doing it via the pro project or it was much simpler than asking for a list of emails That we had to continually update and there's privacy concerns and whatnot that are all much more difficult Yeah, so we're hoping the fedora project org is a nice easy way of just making it available to your whole community Without extra paperwork, but if it doesn't work, let us know we can change it. So Okay And yeah, Matt Matthew. Hey, you know where to hit me if there's issues It's yeah, the aim is to help fedora. We definitely don't want to make your lives worse. That would be bad Alrighty, so they would be they were the big ones for so After this I'm gonna get more into just stuff that I thought would be interesting and Keep an eye on questions, so I thought Doing anything for the first time I actually thought it'd be an interesting poll I first eyes it is exciting interesting or just pure hell. I learned a lot doing this but so Doing a length of platform on the web has been something that has actually been worked on for a very long time There's a lot of different pieces that have to go together. So But from federal point of view, let's give you guys so we kicked off the project in February 2020 Matthew and I both traveled down to Morrisville and met up with a whole bunch of different people in different teams in Lenovo make some curry that kind of stuff and Basically, I think everybody signed off. That's That's my recollection anyway and then after that fairly standard what you'd expect we had the initial testing so we took the Initial for Dorothea to image and we put on platforms anyway testing bug fixing Alpha image better image Yeah, that that kind of side of things the only thing that was interesting there is it was still stealth And so I know all the bugs were private bugs And it was all kind of and doing something in an open community like fedora, but still so again back to that day first I thank you because I know it was a bit weird But appreciate your help on that one So and going forward I expect us to be doing things much more Publicly, I don't don't expect the fedora stuff to be stealth anymore So April 24th, we had the fedora 32 announcement and again that from my point of view that was fun I'd never been involved with something like that the reaction media Community everything was genuinely amazing. It was and just so you guys know that makes a difference in Lenovo because Relatively small team, but it gets executives aware of how important the Linux community is and that's good And just you know, I'm struggling to read the comments as go up. So John, I'll leave you to monitor those So then We after the announcement so made to June we created our final GA image based off the The fedora 32 release and again through the final testing parts. We had a few last-minute issues There wasn't anything major but we had a few things to Not necessarily fix in that particular image, but now upstream and then back down into the ortho to Something else that came up and it ties in a little bit to the worldwide release. So we have to do energy certification Labels any certification. There's actually there's seven different certifications It has to go through and for the workstations with a different graphics card every flavor I See it's a panel. I think it's matter But anyway, it's quite a lot of quite a lot of process there So this is all stuff that's happening in the background that you don't even think about but we need that energy certification Or we can't sell on the web So that was happening. There were some there was, you know, a few few hiccups along the way there that needed to be learned about understood So that something else that came up that was Probably should have been expected somewhat, but we had to do improve our product documentation It was obviously strongly windows-based. So we now have Linux documentation for our products Which which I think is is important. It's not perfect, but it's it's It's pretty good. So we're happy about that and so when you get your Platform it actually has document with how to use Linux on it and If there's mistakes, you can beat me up for that one the other one that that So we support team training that I kind of do it for July some of that was before but like all these things as you get close to The crunch people start to ask more questions and raise more concerns And so a lot of it has been that so now if what should happen if you call our support team instead of saying Linux isn't supported They should take your call They are obviously new to this So please be nice to them if you do have any support calls a lot of support calls are ultimately, you know Level one level two, and then they will come through to to my team And you're more likely to get support from us, but but at least I'm hoping the support team will as they get more and more Next experience that would be good. So there was quite some effort involved there to make sure they were on board and not completely panicking and Then the last bit July to present so we're beginning of August but Kind of touch on this but you there's lots of Paperworks there's lots of bits like oh can we release to the web and well you need to have this sign off this piece of paper at these configurator walls The web sales there's lots of little pieces And it's not until you actually pull the trigger that you suddenly find out There's other launch logistics that you thought you had covered So that's why I know I've had lots questions like where are these like and I've been saying it's really soon for about a month And it's just taken a little bit So it's it's gonna be from my point of view is gonna be really exciting to get the final web sales launcher August August it is so so there you go So I will take a pause and a quick drink Scan was anything you noticed that So the I answered one of them in the chat already But the other one was just are the Docs open source They're pretty sure that we get some contributors if we that's something like that It's a really interesting idea, but no, it's not and it's not in a format So can open source having been through the pain of editing them Which has been a lot back for it's I really like the idea But no it's not and that I will take that one on board. I'm not gonna make any promises on that one Yeah, that will that one would be tough again, bear in mind Linux is still small, so I Do a fair amount of begging and wheeling and borrowing so not yet In terms of the in terms of the support piece So generally it's only an approved lineup So if you have a t-series that you that you want to do this on reproduced on Ubuntu even if it's just a boot disk That's fine. That's good enough. You can reproduce on a boot disk Ubuntu. You can probably get support to help you out and And and I will add that so for my team and we'll come cover this a bit later We do sport we try we try really hard to sport all distros obviously fedora red hat help because we have good contacts with you guys so they They get more priority Ubuntu we work with closely as well, but we try and support all the all the others as much as we can usually my My experience is most cases than video drivers aside If you fix it on one distro get it upstream it'll come down into the others We're very focused on making sure everything goes upstream. I don't want fixes in one distro and not another I I can't cope with that to be honest. So yeah, our aim is upstream and So on the p-73 issue, we've discussed a little bit. So it is a possibility We we haven't decided to pull the trigger on it yet simply because Honestly, the 17 inch has a lot lower volumes than the 15 inch does so we wanted to prioritize that up as the the more impactful for the community and It's kind of interesting. There was the the the question about yeah the Michelle's comment about getting credit It's an it's an interesting issue and if anybody has ideas So we have quite a few systems that people buy as Windows and put Linux on and it's How do we track that so that our executive team understands that Linux is important? So that there is data out there and we've been using that but if anybody has any brilliant ideas, obviously privacy is important And we don't want to invade that but if we can find ways of getting numbers and saying hey, yeah, there are so many millions of fedora users Then then that that's good. It all helps Already So any last questions on just the timeline it's kind of I know it's just an overview I'm not allowed to give too many really details because it's internal process But I thought it'd be interesting just so you when you sit then go why does it take so long? This is why and actually so just I will look back right to that question. So if we do a new image We do have to go through that testing path to make sure it's up to Lenovo standards We want to make sure our customers have a good experience. That is absolutely key I get shot if our customers don't have a good experience Energy certification can potentially come in it depends but yeah, if we do an update then We have to any certification again. It's another time cost exercise Probably the product documentation you probably save on unless there's major changes And and then the rest is fairly easy, but just so you understand why we don't sit there and just Do it like this? There's Stuff that happens in the background Alrighty Cool, right. So the next couple of slides aren't mine They're actually taken from a presentation that my fever's boss used to do for customers asking about what Lenovo was doing with Linux I threw them in because They're useful. They give an overview of what we did they cut covers all the all the main points And I wanted to give an idea of what else our team does I'm not going to spend masses of time on this unless it triggers any particular questions or comments But I mean sure you guys have heard about the full config on Ubuntu and red hat So we have that for you know I know we can't do for all and everything But at least we have Linux on these platforms and you can have pretty good confidence that Fedora is going to run Well We've also been doing Linux certification on the Thunderbolt 3 workstation gen 2 that's a mouthful dog I've been using it on my P1 gen 2 We still got some bugs on that one, but it's things like that are improving Work with Linux distributions component drivers LVFS support I will mention that again later, but LVFS support is very important to us And think LMI I will come to that later. We do a bunch of sale support or supply to me one of the fun pieces of my job I don't do as much coding as I used to but I get to talk to a lot of customers and a lot of Linux Community and things like that, which I love. I love hearing from you guys Genuinely, if you know, I try and respond as much as possible I want to hear what you guys want and so I've really enjoyed that side of things It's been new for me. I used to be just a team of one working on kernels on network switches And never met a customer ever so it's been you but but I like I like hearing from you guys You can bug me Community participation is very important. I think it's the only way we can have any success and that it's just it's just key So we've started contributing to the kernel new. I will cover that a little bit later We're making sure we partner with vendors to deliver improved Linux support Which I think is also important conference sponsorship and We I do I keep an eye on a number of mailing lists and forums I'll mention those later There's a lot of traffic. So I my filters are a little bit tuned But I try and keep an eye on stuff that's Lenovo related on on some key things and I'm open for suggestions for other things with and issues and Customer engagement is kind of linked a little bit so sport, but we just you guys know we do customized preload if offerings for big corporate clients Probably not of interest here, but we do do that post-sale support We do a lot of that and we do have a dedicated Lenovo Linux forum. It has a fedora section on that I'll have the link to that shortly And we're encouraging anybody to participate in our Lenovo Linux forums if it's Lenovo related Hey, we you know we want to we want to build up our own open-source community as well to make sure that we're getting everybody from everywhere Right Okay, I looks like I triggered a conversation about The one question that came through that haven't been answered yet Merck was if you use OBS OBS that means a bell, but I'm pulling a blank. It's Saturday morning Douglas could you expand on what you mean by that then? No Now we don't use open-build service No, we take honestly we take so actually get that's an interesting question though for the fedora We take the image off the web. That's what we do It's the fedora image and so how it works is we install it on the platform We add I think three or four documents to slash ops Lenovo Take a snapshot and then that goes off to manufacturing so We don't actually build the fedora image. We use what you guys provide and I think that's important I'd actually be slightly hesitant about us building our own because there's too much opportunity for us to make changes and I know I'd be open to a discussion on it, but I'd rather use what the community provides And Ryan. Yeah, so what's in octanovo the utterly exciting? License agreement, I think I've got the list somewhere. It's a license agreement the product document, which is actually I mean You guys wouldn't need it, but it's there. So What's the third one? I had there's another legal thing Honestly, you're not missing out Yeah, legal stuff Yeah So we and and I will take that as a small segue So doing open source the right way is important to us I actually spend a chunk of time Doing open source reviews for so I didn't put it on my timeline side part of that I do when we do a with an image release I have to go to our open source OSSE open source coming in what the other committee but I have to go to them and explain exactly what we're putting in this image and I have to get sign off from an executive that we haven't done anything We shouldn't and make sure that if people want to access What is in the image they can do that? So we do actually have quite a few legal checks and balances unsurprisingly and it's something which we take seriously so It's the war the warranty stuff is all tracks separately. There's nothing's in the on the image itself is it I Thought it was mentioned There's probably something in there from a legal blurb, but there's nothing you need to do with the files on the thing Yeah, no, that's all processed. It's just part of your purchase. Yeah. Yeah, they will read on the files So if you're really interested, I'll send them to you They and they should end up on the Lenovo support website once we release that something I need to make sure happens Yeah, so so an answer to your question Michelle the The p53 and the p1 are both mobile workstations actually So that we are supporting it on the workstations already as in the the next generation the the p1 gen 3 and the P15 are also mobile workstations if we expand to desktop workstations. We are still discussing which ones Specifically would make the most sense. I believe most likely we would start with the p3 40 tower As those are the the entry-level workstations that tend to have a much higher volumes And would get us a broader understanding of where the market would find use for them and value for them The week we could very well do the p5 40 as well on that that's a lot of it is going to be and for the for the Facebook request, I mean if If that's something that's interesting to you by all means, I'll be happy to have a conversation We can we can definitely we can definitely look at doing it as long as we have Some some munch doing it with the volume and demand is for the product Already Cool So again, this is another slide. I kind of threw it up there I'll go a bit quickly. It's a little bit repetitive previous one But it was a whole slide that I could add presentation without spending time writing So just from a support point of view, you know, what it really is is repetitive But just just to outline some of the pieces we do working with partners Working with the community answering lots of questions debugging I actually I'm gonna have a support related question for you guys when I get to the end Remind me if I forget so I Don't I was bit worried about time partly why put this in but there's been so many questions I'm just gonna roll on So what else? So I mentioned it. There's the Lenovo Linux forums. You can go there if you go you will find there is a fedora section there, too and Anybody's welcome to contribute. It's not a Lenovo employee thing only I I spend a bunch of time on that I haven't this week. I've been busy But I you know my team they actually will have in there We have internal rates, you know Tasks that you have to do and they all have they have spent so much time on on the forum answering questions So we we try there if if you can't get hold of me, that's a good place to go There are other people in Lenovo who will be looking at it and if if you see a fedora related question on there And you know the answer, please jump in So I mentioned earlier, you know Trying to become a better member of the open-source community trying to listen on the mailing list and Answer questions or if issues come up where we can help find a solution do that So I kind of threw in this was a little bit just off the top of my head But mainly list that I've participated in and I know others the team have to so This year, of course the fedora develop Group is there. I keep an eye on that if you want something to hit my inbox put it on there But put the word Lenovo in it and it does get for that. I do check the other messages I followed the butter FS discussion with interest that was interesting But but yeah, and I do feel about anything that has mentioned to Lenovo specifically It comes up in tonight in box. I will say Yeah, always looking for audio experts. I still feel like we're missing stuff on audio Audio experts who if you if you're out there you guys are golden And the last one LVFS there is actually a Not sure what that word is but there's a Fallen on their firmware Lenovo. I think pad I'm gonna mention this one specifically there's Kathleen who's in the team on Japan in Japan who so I was trying to improve How much how we responded to firmware update issues get a few of them It seems to be still new and and actually as an incident Yeah, maybe channels like what instantly a real shout out for Richard user red hat for the work. He's done. That's amazing but we you know trying to improve how we monitor and answer answer users calls and There this came came all Ian Name popped up and and was answering all these questions and I was like, who is this? I don't know them so and she's actually working the team in Japan and they had recognized the same need It was not driven by me. They had recognized it and they were she's now participating so For my point of view that's really exciting because it means Lenovo is getting it and there's things happening outside of our team So I obviously I've worked with her now and that's good But for me that was like, it's good. It's growing and it's it's important. So But there I See if there any specific questions about like the mailing list or the forums or anything on that that I can address Before I move on and was have another little pause It looked like it was coming on with a mdg so I might be empty when I will come back if there's anything specific at the end I'm gonna mention Think LMI is a product that it's Application that we've just released publicly on github So it's kind of our first first one it's utility to Provide access to the BIOS WMI settings So you can go and get and set your BIOS settings using the WMI interface if you come across that There's two parts to it a kernel driver a user space utility So we've been working on it internally. We got it got approval to put it up and put it up on github and have it public The kernel driver I would like to get that into the kernel. It's the quality is not ready yet We're currently undergoing review to make sure it's really Solid and then we'll start the challenging kernel review process But the plan is to get that upstream into the kernel and then it will just be the use space utility I'm hoping eventually I can come to for door and say, hey, can I package think LMI is a user space utility? But I realize that's down the road a little bit need the kernel driver in first. So If you're interested in that check it out Ask questions participate all the usual Yeah, exactly Yeah It didn't seem worth doing that. So just answering Neil's question about it We I think we I think I'll take guidance on this But I think we need the kernel part in first before it. It's really useful I don't want people installing a user okay, and I don't Can't imagine going down the road of having an arbitrary kernel driver is much fun again If I'm wrong, let me know And I just meant mentioned these We have started contributing to the kernel for me personally. This has been really cool I I've worked on the Linux kernel when networking switches for a while and it was always I was not allowed to Contribute our stream, which I'm sure is fairly common in different companies. You take that you don't get back and it frustrated me So I think it's I'm really happy that I'm able to start contributing back to to the community so we've had There's a lap mode sensor It's basically your PC's on this one lap. So that has been submitted and is set to it We have a similar and there's a palm sense on not all platforms of some of you There's a palm sensor usually in the bottom left corner Sometimes right and it can tell if you know you've got your hands resting on the keyboard. So that's currently in progress I'm just responding to some questions just yesterday And then the last one which will be more more interesting. So for anybody who followed the Thermal mode issues with DPTF not being ups open source. So Lenovo has their their special firmware for Linux that essentially Reproduces what DPTF does so that we can it senses it changes the different Performance mode. So if you put it in high performance mode, it will run faster but harder And if you you can put in low performance mode and get longer battery life And if you put it on your lap, it will automatically drop out of high performance mode. So you don't hurt yourself So we've had that already it all works automatically in the background, but we're working on putting in some changes in the kernels so that Users can control it more easily There's some stuff which working with somebody at Red Hat to get a known user control to do it And just generally to make that more than it's friendly right now. It's all through Function hotkeys and we'd like to actually make that more accessible to everybody. So So, yeah, I will say, you know, the kernel community has been great But they teach you teach you where you make mistakes, which is as it should be Alright, haha, so I made it to the end And I haven't left enough time for we covered lots of questions as we had a long so What did I miss John? Nothing that I did miss as well. Oh fingerprints Langdon work fingerprints. Yes, we have think that we already works. It works if you so All of the Fedora laptop takes one carbonate P1 53 P1 Gen 2 the fingerprint reader works. I assume that's what you asked me about Because usually what I get on the fingerprints all of our 2020 platforms and I was looking at spreadsheet yesterday to confirm All of our 2020 platforms the fingerprint reader should work the older ones I Know so it's down to the vendors. There's two different technologies match on chip match on host The chip vendors really don't want to do the match on host because they're worried about exposing their IP So it's difficult. We it has to come from the vendor and they don't want to do it So what we've done is make sure going forward that are makes that five patterns. What? already Question from Ben. What's the user experience like with unboxing? Do they get? No, it's the usual. So it's the usual. So this is what I'm saying when we we take Yeah, no, they get the standard User setup, but we don't have a pre-user you get it it'll boot up and it launches in the I think yeah, the name the name set up we be out of Out of box experience. Anyway, yeah, it's it's standard. Yeah, but I wouldn't want to change that pre-installed users We've had so you can go set your country your time zone blah blah blah Corbett, sorry, no Just no I know why But yeah, that's not even on my radar That that bear in mind we sell windows laptops. It would be hard file system prediction Whatever standard with the door. So right now it is the XT three or four I should know the answer to that one someone's gonna be yes, it's default. We don't we don't change that so We have followed the discussions about butter FS and I think if you guys go with butter FS We'll follow that standard unless it has major of the XT if okay Unless it has major performance issues particularly on the workstations where where performance is key. So Yeah, if if that's what you guys are using to default we almost certainly well unless there's problems with it And if there's problems with it Suggested maybe it's not the right choice, but I know I've had some discussions like if it doesn't work We can switch to something else. There was a way of doing it that uh, but yeah Honestly, our aim is we provide we're doing fedora on these four Fedora users. So really we should be we you know You're you're our you're our customers. You tell us what you want and That's what that's what's really important We just want to make sure it works well on our laptop. So Yeah, try and avoid doing something anything that makes it not work well, but that sounds like a normal situation So Alan that'd be cool. Keep me in the post on that. Let me know. I don't do myself. I haven't really looked after the creating the image for Manufacturing and that side of things, but I have some experts on my team who do But if if you got some work there then Let me know we'd we'd love to know what's happening if we can contribute that's great, too. We'd like to do that So then yes an interesting question short answer is not a lot to be honest It tends to happen more as the crunch comes up for for doing that so We I mean we did for the x1 carbon 8 p1 gen 2 p 53 just because of how it lined up with a cycle it worked out kind of well like we did have the early releases and we were testing with those and you know finding issues and raising them and You know, I'm assuming we're going to do the x1 carbon 9 next year. It would be weird not to But I'm not committing to that keep it But I'm assuming that as we do more platforms then it'll be the same thing, but we don't really have yet a Process of just doing continuous testing Something which I do have on my to-do list some sort of automated test set up so we can catch these things Before ideally I would like to catch these things before, you know our users really do But it's not these from especially Kobe we hit we have we have Somewhere I have charts on we're setting up a remote lab with access to units and that covert kind of mothball that so We think uh, I might gonna frozen if you can still hear me right now my screen is frozen Okay, I don't know if I went all slow for a bit there So yeah, no There's that there is one one of the nice things with the Linux is honestly, there is so much scope for things to do. It's huge Lots of lots of improvement So Ben I have had discussions with Adam I don't know that we've particularly done Lenovo important test It's probably something Coming I know you guys Which I think is Yeah, I think we lost mark They just literally just upgraded his internet service this week, and I think he's doping some growing pain issues Exactly. It's fiber, but hopefully that's that's you mark. No, I'm We we lost everything until just one second ago Yeah, so I it's oh, okay. It's got my internet upgraded this week I have fiber I live way I live out in the countryside in a little village And I got fiber this week and I was like what perfect timing just in time for the conference So I'm not going to be suffering with slow upload and download speeds Already anything else I missed well that happened. So yeah, I think yeah I'd love to find ways to collaborate more Thanks everybody