 Welcome once again to the breakfast on Plosive Africa now Let's go to off the press where we have a review of the major stories making headlines across the country this morning We'll start with the daily independent Newspapers this morning and of course our guests will be joining us right after the stories have been shared the big one Of course expecting that to be in the screen in just a few seconds Yes, it says federal government targets 4.2 economic or 4.2 percent economic growth to borrow 6.45 trillion Naira Analysts see new petrol price regime soon and budget hollow and bogus with high resounding or high sounding figures as CUPP Also on the daily independent condemnation trails reps directive to ncaa on Nigerian or NG Eagle PDP Neck okay zoning of national chairmanship position to north The first zoning of presidential tickets and also Nigerians have right to determine who governs them says a tickle Gunmen attack a boring communities kill two policemen and eight others Why I wouldn't support throwing PDP presidential ticket open that's from body George Inaq releases final list of Anambra gubernatorial candidates and court sentences Maynaz son face out to 14 years in prison bent and Also, Buhari not planning emergency rule in Anambra says Obiano Of course storms as O'Rourke says Malami goofed accuses the APC of plotting to rig gubernatorial pose Army arrest nollywood actor chew a talo Agu denies brutalizing him We can also see on the of away from the daily independent now to the leadership newspapers It says federal government secretly raises electricity tariff Adjustment inevitable as government can no longer sustain such subsidy payment. It's unfortunate and deceitful says Customers you can borrow to fund 2022 budget national assembly tells president Muhammad abuari experts warn against rising debt and PDP ratifies the guineas report on zoning article reacts 206 kidnapped victims regain freedom in Zamfara and Kaduna and Court jails Maynaz son face out to 14 years in prison bent Access to malaria vaccine will save 264,000 children annually say experts and now to the punch newspapers 16.39 trillion Naira budget funding sell refineries more bond assets reduce deficit Economist national assembly tell Buhari Addressing security don't impose multiple taxes on manufacturers say is a XL CC IDG and Also block tax loopholes impose levies on luxury goes economist to council federal government We can also see on the Pontius morning Flood in will compound cholera crisis and lead to more deaths says a water aid Uniband suspends locked the lecturer orders police probe of alleged students rape and We can see here. Abductor shoots colleague dead as undue amotecum closes in Smog old to kumball gas cylinders flawed in Nigerian markets as SON still on the punch Nigeria grants 992.9 billion Naira import waivers in two years Fully vaccinated Nigerians need no pre-departure tests and quarantines as a UK and experts celebrate malaria vaccine breakthrough as federal government plans procurement Chairmanship PDP governors insist on north NEC adopts zoning report We can also see here may not son jail 14 years father applies to reopen defense 24 billionaire pension fraud fleeing convicted directors case stalled over a GF's fiat. I Think that's all we're taking on the punch that's now a quickly go to the Daily Trust newspapers It says here, but you'll be a miller governors and others spend millions to visit tinu boo 265 million Naira expended on trips. No, we funded it ourselves say governors and lawmakers politicians wasted public money on Johnny's and that's from CSO's as Lagos government unveils pro tinu boo group In Anambra federal government backs Malami on possible state of emergency Buhari opposed to it says Obeano and also UK to recognize Nigeria's COVID-19 vaccine certificate from the 11th of October Nigeria's Nigeria's proposed 16.39 trillion Naira budget raises more questions and less hope These are the stories and also, you know, say good morning to GD Johnson as the chief lecturer at Nigerian Institute of Journalism thanks for joining us this morning Johnson Yeah Thanks for joining us first of all I'm gonna start with the Abdul Rashid Mina and his son's story and first Correct myself. I hadn't said 24 years earlier in my intro is actually 14 years Geo time that face all has gotten so let's start with that GD Johnson. Is this you know good news in the fighting in corruption? Well, it's M. It's it's a step in the right direction It does the step in the in the right direction and a journey of a thousand my start to take in the right step I all put in the second steps to ensure that He's arrested and them He paraded back to Nigeria wherever Wherever he is them just like an Americano was Was was was a Arrested and it was brought back to Nigeria. I think we'll deploy the resource of federal government and might not in that manner Not but in that in that direction Using all igumis to ensure that those that have been convicted are brought to justice. It's very very very important And I'm sure there are people that's too shorty for him Those also should be should should we look out for and then I then produce him so that he can face the consequences of action Beyond him seven is that In that scheme world those that were others that were involved is not possible for those two people to steal that amount of money without other officials either in the Public sector or in the backing sector being complicit in stealing that particular that particular Money and that particular amount of money so This is definitely right direction. I hope we take the second step with a bit of step the first step We don't just get stopped by taking this step forward. I will take 10 step back or that has been the easy with our fight against corruption we take one giant step and then we take them 1020 monumental steps Backward so for me, it's a work on development. Okay. All right Well, you know, I agree with you, you know with your thoughts on, you know, not just both of them being guilty here There's many other people who definitely were Complacers who also helped them facilitate this fraud, you know And I think it's the same thing that you know We need to have this conversation with regards even governors and national assembly members and whoever else Is accused of these crimes event, you know most times we see just one person being accused and being sentenced for Money laundering or billions of Naira, but we forget that there's many many other people who were also party to that theft And so yes, you know, it's a conversation that needs to be had and we need to do better Basically in fighting against corruption. Now, let's go to the southeast where of course, you know There's videos of veteran actor Chua Telago being assaulted by army officers yesterday I want to get your thoughts on on that the actors Guild of Nigeria said that he was wrong for putting on those colors I've also seen in the Bayer F. Young writes, you know, put out his own statement on social media saying there's nothing actually wrong With wearing whatever colors you choose to wear. It might be a little tricky Seen that, you know, the South is currently is dealing with its own issues But I want to get your thoughts on on this. This is fundamental human right of self-expression You can't be you can't you can't you can't it's it's a fundamental How would you see that we are from color? Could you have said it's skin yellow color? Could you have said it's a to pee on color? And they were the right of the military in arresting is the job of the police and you see Some of us have argued that is Nigerian in democratic society or in injustice is under civilian rule when you have democratic rule Military authorities are subjected to civilian control if you are very very loud and clean You know how many how many people insulted Jonathan Wally was president or Donald Trump while he was president or if you if you are very very conversant online and see what is going on in America Where people willingly and freely welcome and The president wherever I visit with with him with flags of Donald Trump One or if you see KJU Biden or I love Brandon. Have you ever seen anybody been arrested for that? whereby someone said something Untoward towards the president of United States. That's that's a Those are democratic values. Why would you because it's putting on and then you see this minute They are quick to do that in the South East. It's not operation Honda operation Oh, could I tears or what? Have you and then when you go to the other side of the countries of operation smile operation These operation that you seen we ate your last and Spokesperson 25 and brings to Monday nation we've seen God knows been accompanied by the police and the DSS to talk to bandits But innocent citizens that are walking on the street that felt That they want to give expression to their views and their thoughts in democracy majority We have the minority we have to say so what stops me from wearing something that relates to the Dua Republic or something It's just a safe expression. So we are in it. There does not mean that is coming out. Did he conduct? He what did he conduct himself in a violent manner? So I I totally condemn them and I think if he has lawyers he should in a general in the Nigerian army If you shoot the Nigerian government and an old government accountable to that And I even I joined is in touch to self-expression Self-expression self-determination. I I mean decide that I don't want My part of the country to be part of Niger in as much as I didn't get in power I can say it and express it that you know what from my experience I think it will be better for legacy for example to be Detached from the entire Nigerian mission because I'm from legacy too. That's my self-expression It doesn't mean that I don't have the right to it to to to to see that what I don't have the right to do Is to engage in violent conduct to carry out such such such acts such thoughts Such such feelings own for me. It's it's it's it's it's it's ridiculous and every time The military does this they just take the minors of whatever image Positive media with the citizenry from themselves Yeah, you know, I want you to speak a little bit more about that because I was saying earlier that the Nigerian army has continued So keeping itself With being involved with civil, you know cases and and things that they really should have no business with Isn't this, you know, even causing more damage to the image of the Nigerian army? That's cause serious damage to the to the image of the Nigerian army. It has caused serious damage to To all Nigerians see the Nigerian army is in a jam representing them. Well, is he is he is he an occupation force because I just can't complain. I'm outside. Hopefully we In 2023 Who have someone that does not have military background military antecedent becoming the president of this nation? I'm not to show um that particular group. I'm they are limited now because you know the president president has The military background and it was the former head of state just like we had when we started this democratic experience in 1999 We talk about some who also had the military background and I was also a former former head of state so No matter how you can see can watch the sport in it In the skin The blackboard in the skin of a leopard leopard skin and don't forget this we joined the military while in their in their formative In their formative years. So they've already been formed in terms of their thought in terms of their thinking pattern and in terms of their policy That's what we have said. Nigeria is not truly a democratic society. Nigeria is still a civilian state Having a civilian rule does not reflect or does not connote that you have Democratic side there's there are a lot of factors. There are a lot on indices That must be put in place respect for human liberty constitutionalism obedience of God order Operating within the ambit of the rule of law Subjugation of military military military authority to see the military Authority to see we an authority all of this factor What the term is what I said is a democratic or esoteric or is despotic? So If you use all those indicators as as as a measurement You have stick then you understand that truly you are still far far far away from having a democratic In democratic society All right, since you brought up 2023 we're going to now move into 2023 conversations Where there's something called the swaga group And of course in legos here the of course the legos state government did, you know, a somehow some way tinnable campaign group yesterday It was of course all over headlines and of course there are video clips all over the place Legos state governor was there, you know artists, you know came out to perform And of course, there is also the song, you know on your mandate. We stand, you know, all of that So quickly also share your thoughts on that one. It's on the One of my my former chairman of my local government And was involved in it In terms of instead of doing governance for us in the local government Was involved in what they call their swaga swaga movement And I don't know how using tax payers money. This is where he has to start All we need to do is to prevent is to prevent them People still lend the money in the first instance putting measures in place And wasting public resources Using public resources for purposes they were not budgeted for this way it starts And I think that we as you know wait for them to steal the the money But people to put their hand in the cookie jar Go into the into the coffers of the state to run their own personal agenda This way they should start not until they do that before they start doing their financial There should be financial intelligence before financial prosecution You should gather facts to prevent and first all what is happening Why will still government resources be used to push through the past presidential ambition of an individual and For me and let let's wait and see where their swaga will take them to whether their swaga Will take them to asorok and they are using swaga to get to asorok Definitely Nigerians should be ready for swaga and not for proper governance because as far as I'm concerned It's a waste of time waste of public resources for government to be thinking about the presidential ambition of someone that has not even openly declared his presidential He has not openly declared his presidential and we are still in 20. We are still in 2021 and they are talking about So you just see that these people are concerned about about about politics and not about governance And that's why governance has suffered has suffered them in Nigeria. Let them co-position. Let them waste whatever Resources they want to waste it ultimately it is in Nigeria people that will decide who will be their president If Nigerian people want swaga, let's go for swaga. If they don't want swaga They will decide whatever they want concerning them 2022, but I think We shouldn't be doing this if you relate this theory to the jamboree of lawmakers going to visit and The the principle of Swaga the people that swaga are clamoring for to be the president the speaker Governors of which resources like Ten million have been wasted which resources have been used to these are the areas in which Yes, you collect their intelligence and when they leave home is the accident to pay back to to the society, you know, I ask this when When Richard Nixon Was was was was him was impeached as a president of united states or america And he was taking a force one to take him the moment he was impeached If an american people was in that they should pay back whatever resources he used In that aircraft in taking him out because he got the presidential pardon from gerald for that was why he was not That accountable for that whose resources are they using we must we must ask this This is a basic question because you don't use you don't use public resources To seek election to control public fund and that has been the cycle of what we have Well, there is their leader Is your and them is your pre master? So they would do whatever it wants it takes for them to do that But they shouldn't be using our resources. They should be held accountable for that That was why when the president received Receiving from gaudy in asurok. I said that That's an impeachable offense if you don't use the state resources for political And for for your political parties, um What have you all this you pay back tonight? I do want to conduct your affairs you take it to the national secretariat and You see pdp conducted their own meeting yesterday. They had it in the national secretariat of your party Where they talked about zoning the national chairman to not and leaving the presidential ticket open For now and let's see what happens concerning that. We must apply some busy principles and some busy etus And values that relates and resume to public governance and democracy some measure of decency You can use state resources such as using state house using state vehicles using state to go for your political Parties and meeting and that's that's using tax payers man in those that voted another Sacrilegious act by the present political classes using the flag of their party in state house It's an impeachable offense. Why would the governor wants to give a speech? And then you put the flag of apc or pdp The moment you are elected as a governor or as a president you are no longer apc representative You are the governor of that state Those that vote voted for you and those that voted against you We are representing them and those that did even vote for you in our chances majority of the people don't even vote for you I'm not sure the governor of legal state got up to a million votes And the total number of voters in legal state is close to six million That means that the people that voted for that did not vote for him Are much more than those that actually voted for him same goes for the president The president in get more than 15 plus million votes and there were 85 million voters 85 85 million voters neither it means that those that did not vote for him Are more than those that actually voted for him So is that popular mandate or what type of mandate we call that and then they will now use the flag of their party They will put in a cast they will use it and they will use state office to promote and project their party It is criminal And it is an impeachable affair. It is innocent Have you ever seen that in other climes where people do that? And people who just abuse office and they abuse people the first Impeachable offense that can be committed by anyone is the abuse of office And privileges and they've done that left-right and center across parties from pdp To apc apc to abga abga to Whichever what they want to call themself coming by 2023 all right because do not be deceived Do not be deceived by by time we get to next year 2022 you begin to see the conflagrations of this political party another party we imagine because They don't really care about us all they care about is Them seeking election and winning election and to run The private estate so like Michael Jackson said All I want to see is they don't care about us or they care about is about the election So that's where they can have swagger Then they'll continue to swagger All right, we'll see how it turns out. But now let's talk about the economy We'll go back to our number in a bit But let's talk about the economy now the president yesterday presented 2022 budget of 16.39 trillion naira But of course, there is a budget deficit of You know more than six trillion of course There's also plans to borrow trillions of naira to you know cover up for all of that Share your thoughts on on where we're going with regards borrowing and Let me let me put it across to you last year You borrow money to fund your lifestyle. I'm just an illustration. Let me use myself as an example last Three years ago I borrowed money to fund my lifestyle my taste and my value This year I'm borrowing a borrowed money To fund my lifestyle again my lifestyle increased I didn't cut my expense And next year I'm still going to borrow my money to fund my lifestyle What happened to me in five years time? Now we are borrowing money It's because if you narrow it down to an individual and then you take it to the state Issues that one they are not disciplined. They are not there's no financial discipline What are the things that we can do? Or we can stop what are the things we are doing that we need to stop in order to ensure that we Use the deficit and we stop borrowing Because we keep borrowing money to fund the budget budget on what is it on capital expenditure or the current expenditure How much money do we vote for? The current expenditure now when you vote too much money for the current is you are 14 lifestyle You cannot afford I was talking to a friend yesterday and He said the brother took the car of the mom Of the dad and then the car got got spoilt and He took the dad of the mom down on the spot and then he now took that of the dad And then his dad and I said look tell the young man Is is living a lifestyle Don't live a lifestyle you cannot fund if you cannot repair the car don't drive the car So even I didn't cannot afford This lifestyle in the bogus lifestyle of our public officials the allowances we give to them What steps are they taking to cut the allowances their star codes? The waste stages to plug the waste stages in government You know different groups have recommended. Oh, we should tax this we should tax that We should block this we should block that are we taxed are we disciplined the political class? Are we But we need to reduce the cost of governors on his own if you look at the budget and you look at the The vote that is going for the cost of governors. You will be shocked You'll be and then the national assembly That has the power over the pause is telling the president, you know what mr. President You can borrow to fund this lifestyle because they too can go on a jamboree like they went to visit the supposed national leader of A pc another things they want they want they want to do they can have money to do swagger Or or whatever they call it so As far as I'm concerned Is an irresponsible person And if his government is an irresponsible government That will borrow money to fund a lifestyle that he cannot afford if someone should do that And he will be condemned Totally and I think we need to condemn. We remember money to fund The Niger lifestyle we cannot afford to put us there to measure in place and the the government have done different ways to raise to raise money and What has happened to the price of product? There's a story which you read that secretly government increased the tariff of electricity They increased the tariff of electricity, I know because I use We use pre-predator. I know what it takes to to buy avarically. We spend close to about about 20 25,000 Then on electricity on electricity tariff. So if I spend that minus my pee Minus the part so all my income Have been taxed beyond the means. That's what Nigerians are complaining That's what I just are complaining because Electricity center government is taking money from you yet government is This is borrowing money to fund a lifestyle you cannot afford yet You cannot even see the deliverables of of of democracy in terms of infrastructure In terms of improvement in your standard of living what has happened to our standard of living as it improved Or as he as he let me use the word as it the proofed All right Well, um, we're moving away from there now. Let's go back to the southeast where of course there was talks of the state of emergency Is one of the things that made headlines yesterday you know, well in section section section 150 Established the office of the attorney general section 150 of Nigerian constitution Established the office of the attorney general of the federation as the chief law officer And he shall be a minister of the federal republic The chief law officer should not be the chief law breaker number one section 305 of the 1999 constitution as amended Made exclusive provision on how and why the state of emergency can be declared I didn't see the office of the attorney general in I didn't see I didn't see the any reference the only reference to it in that is when it is published in the official visit And what which I think will have to come from his office But I didn't see the mention of the minister of justice of the attorney general having the power to make a commission Or to make a statement because once you make a statement Is to that effect that the state of emergency will be declared. I have not seen I didn't see I read through that I read through that section of the constitution and The the the conditions were explicit the power was given to the president to proclaim and within two days If the national assembly is in session to be ratified but to thought of the national assembly And if it's not in session within ten days to be ratified by the national assembly By the national assembly the senate and there's two third members to be ratified and if that is not done within those It will be declared nullable. So it requires the approver of the national assembly. That's procedure number one two is if the state governor With a resolution of the state assembly Passed by two-third majority Ask the president to declare it a state of emergency And then that's when it can happen and there are conditions whether they are war or treading of war Or there is a likelihood of breakdown of law and I don't want to act like lawyers here Just talking on basic knowledge of what I read and what I I interpreted from the constitution as a man of letters Because the degree lawyers get because people just the degree lawyer get is bacterias of laws and letters So as a man of letter if you are lettered you can read the constitution and understand the constitution What you cannot just do is to appear before a judge and solicit or advocate on behalf of somebody But everyone is lettered once you are educated you are lettered So you have got a lot of letters so you can read the constitution and understand What the attorney general said if he's in other climate he will be impeached Because it will be irresponsible for For for for for a mini for attorney general of the federation to argue against to himself the chief officer the powers But he does not have It's an insult And and and and and and trapelling on the conscience of the federal of the federal republic of of of Nigerian And insulting the sensitivity Of and the knowledge of of of Nigerian so this is is clear Let's please be clear on how state of emergency can be declared all right, um Let now let's move away from that and go to um The daily independent some of the stories here It says here why I won't support throwing pdp presidential ticket open and that is from Buddy George The pdp neck okay zoning of national chairmanship position to north Um defers zoning of presidential ticket and also Nigerians have a right to go to determine who governs them So it seems like it's you know different narratives from Buddy George and Atiku Abu Bakar With regards to zoning There's a saying my look darling if you give a hoe to a madman He will use the hoe To put the ridges to himself So everybody the games they are playing is about Having a shot on the presidential ticket to who I've said it if you want to go by the law of natural justice The presidency should should be zoomed to either the southeast As first point of call and then the south south As the second point of call the southwest um The north west Shouldn't even be in the conversation of the president and the vice president moving forward But That's for advocates of zoning in actual sense. It's important for them But I've said it that zoning is not in the Nigerian In the Nigerian constitution. It was a pdp arrangement even the six two political zone is not represented in Nigerian constitution It was it was a fallout of what was brought out of the 1995 consequent assembly And then it was not included in the constitution. You know the report of the constituent assembly Is what was Modified Radified and used as the 1999 constitution by the 12 vice men appointed by abdu salam because that constitution itself was meant to perpetuate abacha in power forever and ever so That's where you have zoning but as far as i'm concerned And because of the peculiar nature of how we are funded says I don't really care. Let me tell you the truth I don't really care where the president comes from. That's that's the truth I don't I don't I don't I don't care where the president comes from But do you see the way the political class have been talking? It's about people who wants the presidency to be zoned to their to their area so that okay They can have a shot at the presidency Let the best man get the job But I'll do with the time who is the best because they've all been they've all been in one form of um They've been at one office or the other since 1999 so they've a switch And then assaulted are Our sensitivity that we have lost our sense of decency and common good that And I do have just accepted their fate that this is where we are found ourselves. Let's just take it because I would be who should be listening to body judge Who should even give the voice to body judge? Who is body judge? Of what value of what political value or relevance as he paid And then someone will listen to him and then I think we're back. He's had his own shot. We shouldn't be We find Some spent forces they've had opportunities to To do things in the country and they have abused it. I'm Billy Gushan and I can talk about body judge I've attended the teens in his house. I know his character and who is special. Who is he? My friend, you know what? I don't care where the president come come let him let the president as long as we have the Of democracy the president presently is from casino what are what value has he been to people in casino in the north west The is from a banditry is happening in the north to the north west We just we read in one story in the newspaper 250 victims Kidnap victims who are released from Zamfara Yes, I cannot state That's that they are from where the north west. Where is the president from? It's from the north west So that the president comes from your region of what value is it you do not spend Close to six years or what value was it to two people in Bayesa state? A person just spend eight years you can't go Through a bullet but leave us a beckoning space when you can't get he's atrocious You you you spend all of your life going to die out So Then buddy is the president of Nigeria is from is from casino state of what value has he been to casino people? It doesn't really matter whether the president is from a village some some communities that have governors from them Okay, I saw a story of a gubernatorial candidate in the anambra election The road leading to his house is atrocious and this person has heard public offices in the past That he could have used to better the lot of the people in his community But because they don't live in the community a governor was asked that he spent Only three days in the state he governs from From from abuja and he said what does he want to go and do in the state? He could run the government from abuja. Was he elected to run the government from abuja or to live within the state? and I went this particular to it and I think it's a state in the United States of America Not was it not Dakota or South Dakota is the state of it now The governor left he was within united states The governor went to the southern border in texas and he handed over to the deputy. I was rattled Because the governor left the state And people don't understand this principle the moment for example the moment the governor leaves the state The state is state territory because it's the governor of a territory The governor of august state the moment he comes to legal state is no longer a governor of Is is the governor of august state is not the governor you shouldn't be harassing us with the siren Of you shouldn't be because it's a private citizen in Lagos He does not have the executive authority and privileges he enjoys in his state in Lagos He has become just one of us in Lagos and same applies But what we know about democracy And because you have been under military regime for a very long time and some of the vestiges and bad behavior of military Administrators and military administration. We have imported into our democratic Values and the method of our democratic value of civilian value to the Um, we'll have to wrap up here. Thank you very much. Um, as always for your thoughts on these stories Of course, I'll be sure a very beautiful weekend ahead. Yes. It's just it's just it's just your night today It's just your night today. Yes, it is. It was a really was a beautiful face to smile at. All right Have a great weekend. Thank you very much And everybody in the background. Absolutely pleasure to be with you All right, stay with us while we taking a short break to tell you a little bit about history and what happened on this day In the year 2014, yes, if you remember the bola virus I'm sharing just a little bit of that with you this morning on off the press or rather today in history Stay with us here on the breakfast