 We're live. Hey guys! Alright you guys introduce yourselves I'll get set up. Live seven seconds ago. Nah less than a minute. Alright I guess I'll have a first time code blast you guys remember me from the last dreams. And Fluffy? Oh yeah I'm Fluffy you guys know me of course I'm the I stand the live streams as well. I'm Jazim you guys may know me from the discord and from the comments and from YouTube. Perfect and I'm Brendan as usual and I'm just getting set up. Do we want to explain that a couple of the regulars are not here today? Oh who just joined? Easter. Speak of the devil. The good news is I audio so I think audio is good to go from now on we figured out the problem but yeah for those of you that don't know Jazim is here joining us as she just said. Jazim was also a very popular Wonderland YouTuber and I don't mean was I just mean she is but she moved away so she's no longer vlogging from inside the park. Sad story but hopefully soon you guys will see vlogs from other parks. I actually cried in that I got the end. Oh the one where I cried yeah yeah no if you guys haven't seen the YouTube series that I did from earlier this season at Wonderland feel free to go check out it's the same as my name here JAZZIM and hopefully that will give you a little context pardon me as to why I'm on the stream tonight. Alright hold on I'm just getting myself set up. Also Brendan do you want to discuss how we're doing some timestamps now? Oh yes so requested by you guys at the end of our videos we're going to start inserting timestamps into the podcast or an hour and a half they can pop to their favorite subjects and just watch those as well you know you're not sitting there for an hour and a half watching you know something about a park that you really to watch so I'll be guys like that and I'm almost done Woo! Enter live chat okay so as many of you know Kenny you would announce their coaster and it turned out to be a pretty big mystery it seems like a lot of people were shocked a lot of people were shocked by quite a few details about the coaster and I can't believe we ended up getting our hands on the correct blueprints as many of you know we didn't believe these blueprints ourselves when they were sent to us but I guess I'll say thank you to our anonymous source who has since then blocked me on Instagram so I guess we can't see who sent us them so if you're watching this thank you right that's that's how an anonymous source does it well right so I've already given my thoughts on this coaster I'm someone just needs to lower their volume in the background since it's echoing in if you have it if you have the sound playing out it comes through the mic I've already given my thoughts on this coaster so and Eastern has as well so we'll just let you guys on here give your thoughts as well so I guess we'll start with co-blast what did you think of this so I think the layout looks absolutely astonishing it looks like a ride that could rival the likes of some of the best coasters and six flies and some of some really good ones in cedar fair chain however I hate the name but I'll leave that out of it for now all the elements look really good it looks like a great inverting type coaster very great elements and I can't wait to see what Kenny Wood really does with this in the future how it how people respond to it and everything awesome and how about you fluff we'll leave fluffy for last yeah what about you Sully oh so he's not here yet oh he's not Eastern Eastern already gave his so Jazza I totally agree I'm pretty excited about this I think it's a great fit for the park and I think I wasn't as surprised as you guys were that you got the correct because I felt pretty good about that whole situation when you posted it and the source and how anonymous things had stayed it just seemed to be a good source of information so yeah I'm excited hopefully I get out there to get to ride it right and fluffy okay so I do not like the theme that it's basically themed after a football team I don't like the name I the layout is in it's interesting um of course we know it has the world's tallest inversion it took that away from gatekeeper um it was keep gatekeeper right yeah okay but I don't like the theme of it even though it is Pittsburgh based I feel like they could have done a definitely a better name with or for the theme at least the area it looks like it's actually in a stadium or like in the area of a stadium but going to that layout it looks very interesting of course we have the banana roll and then that sea serpent roll but the thing that really sold me about the coaster was the second half of the layout it reminded me of an arm sea so coming out of the sea serpent roll you have the airtime hill dive loop and then the inversion the top gun stall or it's not a top gun stall it's probably just a zero do you stall but that right there really sold the ride for me and then the rest of it and the in the second half of it really it really it made me like the coaster a lot more and the more that I'm actually looking at it it actually it actually it's growing on me um I still don't like the color scheme though um but yeah definitely what was that no what was that name choice they could have chosen any other name but yet they chose that one I agree with you there actually the name is horrible but as people are even saying in the comment section you know sometimes it coaster enthusiasts forget that when a company builds a coaster it's not built for the enthusiast community right it's built for the general public yeah so maybe like let's take a step back here is this a good coaster to the general public like what would you say fluffy I would say that it's definitely gonna be an eye-catching coaster for the GP um and I think for a coaster enthusiast as well I also think that but that being said I think fans revenge is still going to be the number one at the park um regardless of this being a new coaster or not um I do I think it will be a close call for whichever one is going to be the best coaster in the park but for me I think fans revenge still has it for number one I mean it's so unique does anyone have anything else to say about this I mean there's been so many reviews about it so I don't want to like I'm just reading the comments I totally agree with your point Brendan about it being very GP friendly like obviously for anyone who doesn't know I'm not American I'm Canadian but I'm a long time tourist I'm a very seasoned tourist in the States and it's my experience that um sports and that whole area of things is like it's just an extreme attraction in the US and so to bring that into a theme park ride I think is very GP friendly and as you were mentioning the whole stadium theming like that they've got going on I think when I think back at the old days of Six Flags I feel like I remember just rides being plopped down with like little to no effort in the theming department and this may not be a theme that speaks to a lot of enthusiasts but I think it is a theme at least it's gonna be well done it looks like and it's something that really speaks to the GP so I think it's a good middle ground I agree I think you just hit it on the dot there yeah well that's why you're a special guest why thank you um and Eastern you were gonna say something about some comments when you read some of the comments I was just gonna read some of the comments a lot of people are saying that it looks like a good ride and I think a lot of people are really just not with the theme just because it is themed to football so for the enthusiasts and Jasmine again I think you did uh hit that well for the enthusiasts it's like oh why but for the GP and for the people in the area they'll probably like it a lot more than we do you know but people are saying it's a great ride and also people are still commenting on the name but yeah I've already given my thoughts if you've watched the live reaction you've seen that and uh overall just think it's gonna be a great ride yeah um and some people are saying it's not living up to the teasers what do you guys say about that hmm hmm I say the teasers were very confusing in the beginning so I didn't know exactly what we were gonna get and I wasn't expecting much now that we have this it kind of blew away my expectations from the teasers I like that the teasers were interactive I think they did a great job with the teasers I think it's maybe a lesson for them for next time that like you can't have the teasers create more hype than the ride itself because it sounds like that's what some people are feeling um but yeah I think it was a good way to get people involved and excited that there is a new ride coming and like we're still talking about them so that's something to be said at least you guys got teasers okay oh well talk about that yeah yeah I just want to add one short thing um I saw a comment roll by a little while ago saying the supports look like an eyesore I personally think they look really cool just the way that how it supported how it looks like a jungle of steel they just could have colored it maybe a little bit differently if that would work welcome I'm back oh thank god that was a nightmare all right do you want to give your analysis of uh steel curtain sure sure oh my gosh what a great announcement um the teasing campaign was fantastic um I had known this was going to be an SNS since March I knew it's going to be a multi-looper since uh June but I didn't really know it was going to be something of this caliber with this many versions and this many records um I'm really impressed of course um I'll echo everyone by saying the name isn't great uh but I feel like the theme is interesting um one thing I did think about what's going to happen when the stealer the rights to the stealers expire um I feel like that'll be interesting for this land but I'm really really looking forward to this and hopefully I'm I'm confident that it will be one of the best coasters of 2019 for sure I agree wait one of the best or the best one of the best no not the best let's wait for Carolyn's yeah all right um I think we're ready to move on to the next subject we have a pretty action packed stream today but oh no all right so from this post from FYE coasters on facebook go check them out by the way they are at the parks in Ohio a lot they have some great updates I definitely follow there and check them out all the time this is how I get my information actually all right so um we have attention absolutely no cell phones on steel vengeance all cell phones must be left in a locker or with a non rider um no cell phones in line so we are hearing that cedar point and actually cedar fair we'll say not all cedar fair because you'll see the next slide why are cracking down on objects on rides um I've already made a video about this or we've already talked about this in our last stream and eastern so we're not going to say much here unless you have something else to add on start with um actually we all said something so does that except for jazm so we'll start with jazm what are your thoughts on this um to put it simply I just think they're giving themselves an enforcement headache because unless you have enough security and ride ops to really enforce this rule you're just going to have a lot of gp breaking the rules and I just don't see a logical way that they can really enforce this without pissing a lot of people off so I see why like I've been on a ride many times myself like somewhere in the middle to back and seen this pockets I've even seen things get caught by people in the back of the ride so I understand the point of it but I think they're about to give themselves a big headache and I'll leave it at that I agree with you does anyone else have anything else to say about the cell phone issue I feel like this is so redundant at this point I have one thing um I feel like from what I've seen on any ride that I've been on any cell phones that have flown towards the back of the train have been in riders hands not in their pockets I think the issue is not with people having them on the ride in the first place it's because they're trying to film for memories or for YouTube or something I've seen a lot of objects fall out of people's pockets though to be fully honest I mean I even know friends that have had their cell phones slipped out of their pocket I've seen more lanyards than cell phones and that's not even included in this new policy they're trying to enforce so I just that's yeah I just think they're giving themselves trouble I agree free lockers or nothing right yeah if the lockers are free sure enforce whatever you want people will probably I mean you'll have people that still try not to follow the rules but it'll make it easier for people to follow but yeah this is going to be interesting with having with having lockers you have to pay two dollars it's kind of like oh so this isn't a free ride anymore like I have to pay put my phone away so like and I'm gonna make it quick but either like have like bins on the platform free lockers do what universal doesn't have metal detectors don't make someone pay two dollars put their phone in a locker like yeah okay so I want to say something because Tino I agree with you for once back the bins it's over game over bring back the bins suck it up capacity wise if you're not going to give us free lockers give us the bins at the station platform we see it at behemoth with the locks all rides should just have bins at this point exactly I had to throw that out there Tino you hit it on the dot there I all right so now that we've talked about cell phones at Cedar Point and King's Dominion why don't we head on over to Canada's Wonderland where they're doing things a little different so thanks to coaster circuits on Twitter um he was at the park today and he spotted this little gem so for those of you that don't know what ride this is at this is at Wonder Mountains Guardian a ride that did not allow a single item like that was extra like attached to your whatever to be to come onto the ride so you couldn't bring a bag you couldn't bring like a purse you couldn't bring like anything you were carrying basically so now they have this oversized item check I guess they're going to an airport bags must fit completely inside this bin bags must have straps to secure in the ride unit bags must be completely closed with zippers etc bags that do not meet these requirements must be stored or with a non rider so do we think that this is maybe the better way to do it so obviously they've installed some sort of like I don't know I don't want to jump to conclusions but it makes it sound like you they have some sort of thing on the ride that you can store small things in right what do you guys think we'll start with you coblast that's what I'm getting from this I feel maybe they they did the Disney thing where you can like have a piece of netting built onto the ride or a small bin that fits just in front of the ride vehicle to store your belongings or the they're asking you to store it under you like put your foot on it or maybe like put it on your lap or something that's my guess I just put in everyone sorry I had everyone siding with the bin so we should start the hashtag bring back the bins sorry keep going coblast I totally interrupted you that's fine I do feel like there's not much space on that thing for any size bag that would be that you'd see with a with GP usually they go with huge backpacks and that doesn't look very big in my opinion like have you seen it Brandon what does it look like I haven't seen this yet oh wait which are you talking about uh one of those guardian yeah I'll go get an update tomorrow when I go to the park yeah but yeah I think that it's probably on the floor or they ask you to hold it on your lap yeah I would have Eastern um I think that this is a good thing I mean I've seen something similar to this that uh Hershey park when I went to on my recent visit back in April with Skyrush that have been similar to this where you can place your items such as bags in there not as strict they allow you to place any type of bag but I still think it's a good thing that they're bringing bins into this I mean I I feel and this is kind of going back to the locker issue so I'm sorry about that but like you shouldn't have to pay two dollars or one or two dollars to put like your bag in like a thing and I agree with what you said you should just suck up capacity take another 15 seconds to add in bin to the side of your ride that way people like the guests aren't unhappy and you know have to deal with all of these issues so I like I'm personally really happy that they're adding in bins to wonder mountains guardian preach and what about you Sully uh I I'm totally for bring back the bins as well um I mean I agree with what Kodla said that the gp bags are usually huge um maybe they'll change the size of the bin you never know but I I think this is a good start and it's much better than the policies in place that came to me and see a point but I think they have the right idea and how about you Chasm I think this is a perfect example of the locker policy being undone elsewhere because everybody complained about the locker thing when this ride first opened and they first implemented that and I feel like this was the inevitable end to that story of the must put everything in lockers and I I agree with what the others have said I don't know exactly how this is going to look so I'm excited to see your update from the park on it because that is the small cars they're fairly open like I don't know if they're going to put some kind of pouch like what used to be on um some of the old rides I'm like I'm old but you used to be able to actually put your stuff in pouches right in front of you like on the rides and so I don't know if it's going to that type of situation but yeah I feel like this is going to be what's going to happen to these other rides eventually that they're starting to implement this locker policy on because it's just not feasible so I I'm a little bit baffled that parks owned by the same company are so like on such different pages right now exactly you just hit it on the dot again um and what about you fluffy um I remember like I guess what they're trying to do is like do a Disney type of situation um where you could just like have your stuff with you um yeah I don't really have much to say since I haven't really had to experience this so lucky you all right I guess um we'll we'll stay tuned on this because this seems to be like a growing thing in the coaster community now and you have some parks heading towards lockers you have the UK um and go check out Taylor's video because I actually think that was one of his like best videos in a in a in a while now and not content related just like I really liked the um over and how he presented them so go check out that too because I agree with a lot of what he had to say but I think a lot of people are forgetting and as Jack has been all it's as simple as just putting like a five dollar bin you can build it yourself by the maintenance team to put your bins back on your station platforms that's all um but yeah we'll stay tuned on this let's get over to a really really interesting topic of discussion and no one is covering it but us right now or at least correct me if I'm wrong I think we're the only one's covering it and I feel like this is really big newsworthy stuff so you have these teasers that relate to a couple of parks so you have um Kings Island kind of referenced in here you have Carolines you have Canada's wonderland and cedar point all referenced in these teasers and then we have this from coaster underscore cruiser on instagram this was just found back from mystic timbers teasing reference and this is going to come in handy so remember this number 137 the number 137 has been seen on Canada's wonderlands teaser it's been seen on carolyn's teaser and it's now been seen on this old poster from mystic timbers station um it is located on this timbers I'm not sure if it's in the station but it's on it's on the ride somewhere so 137 is obviously not a reference to Canada's wonderlands coaster and a reference to something going on with cedar fair so let me see if I'm oh okay technical difficulties okay and then you have this carolyn's teaser which has mystic timbers um logo or the tree in the window of the teaser and you have just like all these references that do not or sorry that all link up this possible storyline together I keep like going past so what do you pretty know I'm going to make more videos on this because I actually think this is really interesting and I'm sorry if you don't find it interesting but the nerd in me and this whole cedar fair fanboy in me it's just like I'm obsessing over this possible storyline so I'm not going to say my sense as I've already said in the past and I'm going to continue to say I'm going to give you guys the opportunity what do you guys think of these teasers uh we'll start with you co-boss uh we briefly discussed this in discord a few days ago but like it sounds like they're trying to link parks together at this point they're trying to have a ride that's not necessarily similar but has a similar theme throughout the parks like you already have mystic timbers and twisted timbers now is the wonderland coaster and the carolyn's coaster going to fit into that theme we don't know it it sounds like it that's a very broad theme that they can do anyway they can theme it to however they want like in terms of where it's located um otherwise that's about it yeah how about you um fluffy hmm okay so definitely what co-boss said they're trying to link stuff together um and pretty much what we've all been guessing on linking that on linking on linking it together um it looks like from what because what we've been hearing is is that it's going to be like maverick versus the three who built steel vengeance and that's going to be a constant theme throughout a couple of these years um but i actually have a question for us to answer do we think that it's also going to happen during 2020 years during like the 2020 announcements as well a lot from cdf i think this is just the beginning i mean this is one year that all popped up and now they're all connecting so imagine next year and the year after i mean more all the okay which is really smart if you think about it yeah definitely so what about you yester what do you think um i'm kind of on the same boat as you and this is coming from someone who's home park is six flags i really love how cedar fair is trying to intertwine all of these storylines canada's wonderland and cedar point for me live already enough because frontier towns possibly combining like i thought i thought that the the idea of that was amazing but now that they're incorporating more parks into this like i'm really excited to see what they're going to do for this next year because i just love how they're connecting all the parks together almost in storyline and theme like i really love that about like what's cedar first doing right now so overall i'm just really glad like with everything that they're doing but you uh jasmine um i kind of went down a rabbit hole with this i love a good puzzle and it's definitely intentional that they would put the same number in all of those posters and like across all of the parks so i started googling um 137 doesn't seem to mean anything specifically so i tried to figure out like do those equal to letters which got me uh acg which got me nothing uh some like colleges and institutes and stuff and then i searched 137th day of the year um which is may 17th and in 2018 they actually did do an investor conference on that day so i don't know if maybe it's some kind of cross park announcement for that day coming in the future i don't know um and um we have exam for example casper slide studios is bringing up a a thing that i have actually at the end of the slide so we'll talk about granny's epic secret at the end but uh you bring up a good point because that there's some secrets for all these rides and there's also so yeah so example you can actually see i'll try circling with my mouse 137 is on this carol ones poster right there too it's just blocked off by the the new tele tweets at cedar point um these make no sense to me by the way i've read a lot of them and i can't make anything out of them for those of you saying that do these link to cedar point i definitely have a feeling but i skipped over one person celly what do you think um i have little idea for 137 and it might be like totally weird but right now cedar fair has 126 coasters in the chain and i think um the next 11 coasters that they're going to add are somehow going to tie into this storing line until they reach 137 it's weird i know but i feel like that might be a good theory um and i'm totally loving this i mean all these like meta connections are amazing and i can't wait to see what they do with the rest of the teasing campaigns i really like that theory just wanted to say i agree with that that's a good theory actually i didn't even realize that they had a 126 already yeah i i just literally looked it up on rcdb two minutes ago so yeah so does anyone have anything else to say about these teasers nope i'm loving it it's cool too because when you play them fast like that and you see them all together they do like they're clearly being made in uniform so there is some kind of connection going on that they're going for oh for sure and they're definitely tailoring it towards the enthusiasts like gp don't care about these they're like okay what what are these and then where's he like oh my god aerodynamics so yeah what does it mean yeah right all right so we have some sad news it seems like wow um this just fires galore this year um so this picture is from colonial underscore coasters on instagram go check them their pictures actually got featured in a lot of news channels abroad so uh thanks for doing with pictures but my are on an attraction and it brings up a good subject so this is the second time something's caught on fire this year i could there may be more but all i know of is to correct me if i'm wrong but is having public attraction becoming i know that sounds gp is it i mean we're seeing a lot of kind of so is there more safety needed around servicing attractions and like what's going wrong uh what do you have that's a good question i i'm not really sure like from what i've seen at theme parks they haven't really been sacrificing any safety in my opinion unless there's some behind the scenes things that i don't know about which i obviously don't know about much in that case but like i feel emergency services seem to be responding to amusement park accidents a little bit more this year than in the past and i don't think i'm wrong on that one what about you guys yeah i think like they've been definitely been responding to more issues this like year rather than like past years because i've never heard of you know as many incidents going on in the theme park you know industry um speaking on Pompeii i'm just glad that no one was hurt uh from what i heard they're like the park was already closed by the time of the incident but um someone's actually going oh um who's playing the stream in the background oh it's coming across no yeah but um maybe like parks need to add like in more safety requirements that way they don't have as many of these incidents happening since there have been quite a few this year in 2018 i think we forget about the sound problem i somehow logged into um discord how are you vlogging to discord if you heard me i was just talking to someone um that was me thinking that someone was in our stream but they were on discord i'm so embarrassed right now oh my god so uh who is that random person i i feel like that one person just like instantly left the discord oh my god no wonder everyone's like i don't hear okay um i'm sorry that interrupted who was talking for me it was me i was just saying that um there seemed to definitely be more incidents this year and parks probably want to figure out a way to avoid having so many issues you know and i'm just glad that no one was hurt during the incident of Pompeii you know incident who hasn't said something about this yet just because i lost track there um i just think this is a tricky one as far as drawing patterns just because some of these incidents have been international like every country has different laws around these kinds of things and around ride maintenance and every state has different laws and in canada province to province like things can change as far as the way they regulate rides and ride maintenance and the way that emergency services respond so it does seem like there's a lot of incidents but i don't know that's just because of time because theme parks do kind of age similarly and you know certain rides do see trends so you'll have a boom of a certain ride for a certain number of years and then the technology will evolve and other things will happen and so maybe it's just that a lot of rides that were built in a similar time period didn't have the kind of technology that current rides do so i don't know i want to oh technical difficulties very difficult trends to pinpoint can we just note the fact that jasmine has hit right on the spot every single time yes remember she used to work in the industry briefly like i on i i really cannot agree more with with every point that you brought up the technology is growing fast um of course popular uh attractions get are more popular like they they can host a certain amount of guests and then they have like a malfunction in reliability issues and it's just it's a whole combination of things and it's just what jasm said just yeah all right anyone else have anything i just want to add one short thing have any of you guys noticed that a lot more rides this year have been breaking down than in the past well raptors but that's because uh no but regardless of the model i'm talking about like yeah i would say new and old new and old like bnm's old wooden coasters a lot of them seem to be breaking down and it must not just be me hardly quinn crazy coaster okay that's my yeah yeah i i agree it just seems every like every time i go to a park i i'm delayed somehow like my 100th credit for example i was going to be like goliath at fiesta texas a poltergeist broke down right before i was about to go on it and had a break run evac like that's just like unheard of these days it should be unheard of and there here we are like in our daily lives having break run evacs so yeah i do agree rides have been breaking down very often not at like just your average six-foot park should honestly everywhere like train even train malfunctions you know train redesigns like i agree like a lot more ride breakdowns and you know technical difficulties as i call it have been happening this year hopefully hopefully they can fix them it's just interesting when you look at parks though like disney which have so many very old rides that don't seem to have these kinds of problems so i think it might be an investment thing if i was going to try to pick a reason for the trend it's that some rides just you know like i said there's different regulations everywhere but some some parks and and some chains will just the regulations and not really go above and beyond to keep their rides running like brand new and i think that's where mistakes like that can happen i agree it's maintenance this you see the same right did i just throw out like this weird there all right let's move all right kanonen this makes no sense to me what's going on like why is lost island water park purchasing a coaster and then selling it and then yeah yeah like to me i mean correct me if i'm wrong i always say that correct me if i'm wrong that should be my like catchphrase uh next kerfuffle right don't things lose value over time so by them lose value in the year you're holding it and then when you go to sell it that's what i would think what do you think coblast well if they lose value maybe my home park will get it but lol anyways uh i just park like this that buys something it doesn't put it up doesn't deserve it honestly they they shouldn't have a reason to buy a ride and not have it installed regardless if it's a coaster or anything um seeing the ride when it was running it looked really cool i think it would have been a good addition to kind of expand their market at that park instead of being a water park but this is a ride that is very tech savvy and needs a theme park to maintain it as well you can't have a water park do this at all that's that's my two cents on it for right now i'd go wave too far into detail with this but it just triggers me seeing something like this happen i have to read this i go oh my god kanonen is being shit and and it shouldn't forget to his adventure or park that need to survive i agree with that low around hashtag save kanonen all right what do you think i think it's interesting how a water park like of all and then doesn't even install it and then they're like oh we acquired it but we don't plan on building it but we might sell it like i agree with you run in in the sense that it loses value like well if you don't want to buy it like you know like maybe some park that's like desperate or desperately needs a coaster or buy it but like if anything i feel like they probably shouldn't have bought it like because now it's just like okay we now we've now we bought it but now we're not going to put it up so like why did we just spend the money on that like if anything that's bad for them because they're losing money on something that they could have added like a water slide or something else you know that would have been better and that they could have actually added to their theme park to make it better rather than buying a roller coaster that won't even be able to operate in 2019 season so maybe a park like Michigan Adventure or La Ronde we'll get it because you know those parks are kind of desperate for a new coaster that's thrilling and you know for sure well what about you soli uh i i don't understand this at all um first of all a lot of people like hate on kanonan for some reason they say it's in the week into the like coaster but i i disagree i think it looks pretty darn good um i've heard a few rumors about where it's going to go i've heard cannobals being thrown out there i've heard frontier city from someone that's probably not gonna happen but i feel like wherever it does go um just lost island purchasing in the first place was a dumb idea because they probably won't make a lot of money off of it so i don't know i'm really indifferent but wherever it does end up i just hope it's in the states fluffy no typing your turn fluffy no typing my turn okay so um so if i feel like this could possibly be um i i think that it could possibly be bought by six flags um and i think that they'll probably give it give it to one of the smaller parks um like and possibly who knows one of the parks that they could that they recently acquired i don't even know that um but i feel like if it's going to be bought by six flags then it's probably going to go to one of their newer parks um and one of their smaller parks uh wherever because obviously they're gonna sell it um because it's a war park but i feel like this is just gonna i feel like it's just gonna be a big mystery on um on just who's gonna buy it in the future um but looking at their looking at darien lakes lineup they have a they have a corkscrew coaster they have a woody they have a raya steel the boomerang um motocaster and an slc uh they don't have a launch coaster and they can definitely use a launch coaster i think this would probably put that as the number two if not number one over raya steel what about you jasm i don't know really what i could add that hasn't been said i think everybody has their opinion on the ride but from a business planning position it just feels like it was a poor financial planning decision maybe they got a contract with another company for a newer ride or something i don't know but it just seems like they made kind of a snap decision on a purchase and now unfortunately a ride that could still be standing and running in a park somewhere is sitting in limbo so yeah it's sad oh playland oh my god okay this is the so this was sent to me today and i thought the expansion was small and i was like no we're not going to report on this like no one cares about playland pne but oh my god when i looked at it i was like wait what they're like doubling size um so let's just look at what they're adding they're adding a launch coaster a sky flyer a hammerhead a adventure course a rate sorry a river rapids ride a suspended family coaster a splash battle an air race a gliding coaster a zack spin a disco and a stunt show oh that's crazy um like that's a lot that's being added to a very small part um so what do you think about that coblast i'm just trying to figure out where corkscrew is but anyway no i think this is gonna be one of the better parks in canada now that it doesn't look like a fairground anymore with this expansion like it looks amazing how can you not want to visit this place like wow i almost have no words for this it's ridiculous i want to go here now what about you guys the park like their expansion plans look amazing the facts that they're going to hang in so oh eastern died um sully what do you think i'm just still trying to process this oh my goodness um i haven't seen this before um we have to find out if that launch coaster like if that's a layout of anything that's already existing um but yeah this this looks fantastic wow good for them very good for a park that doesn't have a lot right now this is incredible yeah well why does that look like kanonen yeah i was just thinking that i was about to say i was oh boy hold on i'll i'll find out okay do that um i think i might have cut out while speaking i don't know but um overall like the fact that they're adding in this massive expansion and like such as like short time plan and when it's supposed to open like 2019 2020 uh phase one 20 no sorry it's not supposed to get approval until 2019 okay but still the fact that they have all these plans to expand and make you know pne playland that much better i think that's amazing and overall just looks like such a great expansion and will definitely benefit the park and bring in tons of gifts they're saying the top hat goes the wrong way okay never mind and i feel like it looks like playland got a lot of money from the government or somewhere and they're if i had to take a guess this looks massive um wonderland look i'm kidding um what about you jazzy she's in shock sorry guys i had a minor distraction in the background i apologize um no i think this is really exciting like i would definitely like to go and visit this um it's very rare to see like such a huge expansion in one year so all good news if you ask me he's in shock too i bring something uh because i have a noise i have a gaming keyboard so you know um i have seen this and from what it looks like it will no offense to le ron but this definitely looks like it could possibly beat it out um once the full phases like all the phases are complete it looks like it could possibly be better than la ronde uh obviously not uh canada's wonderland but it does look like it's going to be better than la ronde um it looks like they're going to be investing in quite a quite a few coasters actually and i'm going to quickly try and view the uh can you possibly like um brennan could you possibly like uh uh like go on to the second phase plan of it like the second really see the second phase is on the right yeah but can you kind of like zoom in a bit or no i can't okay what do you want to see i can talk about it um it looks like a suspended family coaster um that could possibly be uh something like merlin's mayhem the wooden coaster they already have uh but they're going to be investing in the launch coaster the zakspin um but what's a hammerhead i've never heard of a hammerhead some sort of all right obviously oh yeah that might be a zampurla meteor like hammerhead shark it's discovered kingdom yeah maybe you mean the zampurla hawk then yeah i was thinking meteor journey park yes the zampurla hawk okay ha um this and if what we've been seeing from um from the uh shoot i can't speak i'm lost for words um um from this maybe we should move on yeah all right let's go to volcano blast coast the dormant volcano shade um i don't really have much to say on this other than should have bought a bnm i'm kidding um i don't i don't have any i just i just have really bad feeling about intimate's relationship with cedar fair it seems like things are just going wrong with intimate um and uh let's hope that this coaster opens back up i know that it's been having problems over the last couple years and from what i'm hearing it might be closed until the end of the season correct me down below if i'm wrong uh but what do you think coblast before i get yelled at from our viewers um i will say with when we were at cedar point and top thrill dragster being open for all of what six hours while we were there over three days this is not a good sign at all for both intimate and this ride's future i could see this thing actually being dismantled after the season if they if they really put their money together properly and decide to get a different type of coaster for it this could be dismantled and sent off elsewhere or scrapped um what about you eastern um this for me this is actually really kind of sad because i'm going to king's dominion uh later in august and i really was looking forward to this because you know you've launched getting launched to a mountain and everyone i hear great reviews about this ride um intimate and cedar fair not good a lot of the rides have been having issues you have dragster with all its downtime and you have this ride for its like capacity and maverick and millennium and all the other intimans at cedar fair seem to not be having the best of maintenance or you know being operating more than it's closed so this is definitely not a good sign hopefully they can open this back up soon hopefully they can fix the issue whatever it may be and hopefully intimate can you know get whatever their issue is together and you know fix whatever issues they're having okay so there seems to be a slight update here from ar coaster guy um it seems like um where did it go did i just lose it i'll help you find it oh sorry it's from arie 1993 they're just replacing the bolts and a section of track oh that's good okay so maybe there's hope of it opening in later in you know august there's a chance please let it be open fingers crossed oh and apparently it's already been announced it's closed for the rest of the season oh yeah and then um then i'm looking at a comment right now and if they um if they lose this coaster because this is one of the the better coasters in the in the park if they um if they remove it then that basically loses a bunch of a bunch of depth and from their lineup already so so if they if it does get removed um because we never know if it does get removed then um then you know we could be seeing this drop uh pretty pretty low in the rankings after after this coaster has been removed and what about you jasm that being said if i'm glad to hear that it's not actually going down long term like the rest of the season is whatever but yeah if it were to actually go fully dormant i would be pretty sad i feel like someone needs to open a ride graveyard where you can go and ride all of these rides that just mysteriously die and get removed from parks or get bought and then never used defunct land yeah pretty much like real life on that defunct land start your own theme park yes i want to write some of these now and sully uh yeah what jasm said i'm glad that this will eventually reopen um hopefully yeah i did i did hear that sound for the rest of the season uh i feel like kingsom Indian already does have two other launch coasters so if they do end up losing it it's not of course going to be a gap in their lineup it's a very unique coaster it's not going to be the end of the world and hopefully they'll be able to find some of their use for the existing volcano but it's unique and i hope it's not lost for sure sad face oh my god the new Jurassic world movie is coming out august 15 all right so i'm going to go over this quickly and then jasm is going to give i'm going to give my thoughts on everything and then jasm and i're going to have a discussion about this just because everyone else on the stream has already um participated in these kinds of discussions and jasm is new to the stream and also a youtuber about wonderland so i thought what better way than us two to discuss all of this because it's a lot so stay tuned i'm going to go over it quickly and then discuss it so we now know the announcement team um and i have a feeling this is to make way for carolyn's announcement on august 16th and it's smarter for cedar fair to do the announcement separate as what we're hearing is canada's wonderland's probably going to announce winter fest and this new coaster and possibly a new restaurant or something else who knows we'll have to stay tuned for that um but um i wanted to go over some of the teasers i'm going to ignore this one quickly but i want you to remember the for 15 feet the 137 and 501 and you'll notice on other sites they're claiming that these are the actual ride facts for the coaster if you think that cedar point just posted our ride facts on a poster like this in plain view before the teasing campaign started i'm sorry you don't know anything about this coaster and i've known that some things about the coaster when they claimed certain things like no records were going to be broken not during shade i'm just being honest um in fact tell just based off of the 137 it's on every poster for every new coaster coming right now 3,015 feet with 3,501 those are just probably red herrings and number 17 is probably the only thing you can take seriously off this poster along with the teaser that this theming is coming to canada's wonderland as well with the all that um we can confirm that the poster was probably to do with canada's wonderland as the head of communications responded and acknowledged it and we now have dave slightly teasing the new coaster as well with something coming now what i like about the something coming is it could insinuate that this is an animal let's just word it to that or some sort of mythological creature of some sort that's what i get from the something coming and jesson will kind of give her thoughts on that as well um my tweet screeches like a little kid on christmas because i'm a loser um and dave responded with one word in there is very interesting now either the screeches in reference to a birdlike creature which would link us back to possibly zizz and or christmas linking us back to winterfest coming in 2019 as rumored now what i wanted to get at and again i'm not throwing shade with this post and i've blacked out a lot of the layout and the layout stretches much farther than this um is there's a comment and speculation going around that this is smaller than val raven um i wanted to stress that i don't think so what was currently is the drop is going to be smaller than val raven and i think that's absolutely ludicrous because i'm going to show you that with a tunnel depth of 24 feet to 40 feet plus a valley depth of about 10 feet we've measured so again the tunnel isn't on land level it's in a little pond in a valley so we're looking at anywhere from like 35 to 50 feet um added to the drop this would suggest would need to be around 175 to 190 feet to be smaller than val raven and that's not the case none of the math adds up for it to be smaller than val raven in any sort and it doesn't even bring us close to 175 to 190 feet um i can see the coaster being a similar height to val raven or maybe just slightly smaller so val raven keeps it so i'm looking at anywhere between 215 to 230 something feet would still give it a record breaking drop so again we do think that a drop on this coaster is probably going to be in the we could see it's going to be that and you're going to have a really large drop or the drop is probably going to be 255 feet that's our estimate here at amusement inside is going to be strongly based um so jasm what do you think of all all this because i know you know everything i'm talking about too yes and you know i have strong opinions when it comes to wonderland um so i'm going to start with the date of the announcement and they've been telling us august 15th for a while now every time you were to bug them on twitter that would be the response sometimes those were like the only two words they would give you august 15th and it's been kind of this little game going back and forth for a while and i feel like it's good that we have a solid date and that they're starting to actually put some marketing out there around it but i think it's frustrating to think that um the 16th wouldn't have been able to recognize both parks i don't think the competition is that severe that you're going to not have any buzz around one ride because you're also talking about another one um and just the significance of the date would have just made more sense to me so i will just leave that at that but i do understand like you said as far as cedar fairs decision making why they would want to split those two dates up um yeah then as far as the teasing campaign goes this was the joke i was alluding to at the beginning of the stream where we've been begging and begging for a teasing campaign for weeks and weeks and we felt like we didn't really have a teasing campaign and we're having this rod being built right in front of everybody's eyes but nothing's being said about it as if it's not even there and i felt like it was a a long time of missed opportunity season to really like have fun and do something interactive sort of like the kennywood situation where they really got the public involved and trying to guess what the ride was going to be and there was such there was so much more opportunity to do that in this situation because of the ride being right in front of your eyes that like they could have really done a lot in park even that would have got people talking on social media like i don't know i just had a lot of ideas of how that could have been done differently so i felt like it was missed opportunity but maybe the goal was to get people a little more riled up and excited for it so that now that they're putting posters up and talking about it now um hopefully people are already like excited and looking for that information so yes i like what they're doing with the poster and with all these like mystery numbers and keeping it kind of vague so that we get talking about it and we get guessing i just feel like they could have started that a lot sooner and milked the time a little bit more and who knows like people hearing about that on social media that might be an extra reason for someone to buy a ticket go visit the park and like see this construction for themselves you know what else your tweet about screaming like a kid on christmas first of all i'm going to die if the ride name is something to do with screeching like i will just i'm gonna call you and just about cry laughing um but other than that i think winter fest is the obvious clue there um they're going to be talking about some kind of christmas or winter type celebration and it'll be really great to see hopefully multiple announcements on one day which as you mentioned is what it sounds like um i feel like i'm missing something oh the the rest of the marketing campaign anyone who was on discord recently knows how i feel about that too that i felt that the 815 posters that they're putting up around the construction fences kind of lazy given and i'm holding on hold on the 15th that it's just a matter of them deciding that they'd rather put this budget towards the post announcement buzz rather than the pre announcement buzz but i'm hoping that they do give this addition the attention that it deserves because i know it's it's wonderland kind of gets this rep whenever whenever they announce a new ride that it's like oh yeah it's good but it's not as good as insert ride in the us or in europe here so and that's fair enough but the kind of park that wonderland is and you guys have to understand i always approach these things from a business perspective um is it's really smart to add these like gp friendly rides so rides that look big and cool and scary to the public here locally here i kind of talk like i'm still in canada i'm not in canada if anyone's wondering but i talk like i'm still there but um big and cool and shiny and new to gta which is the greater toronto area which is what would you say burn in like an hour around the city um yeah which is a huge huge metropolitan area and that's why wonderland is always one of the top attendant parks even though it's a seasonal park is because of this home base millions of people who can just drive and spend a day at the park and so lots of season pass sales and things like that and just i think you have to keep in mind with this whole mark that that's the kind of people that they're catering to so they're going to look at people who want to buy season passes as christmas presents and who would get excited closer to winter thinking about something like winter fest so i can see why they would put the announcement off so late um for that kind of stuff i think there could have been a better compromise as far as like starting the teasing a little bit sooner for the enthusiast community because that is really what builds up the buzz on social media is people like us having conversations like this that could have started months ago and potentially not only helps their sales for next year and for when the ride opens but also for this year getting people excited to go there and be a part of this fun interactive process of figuring out what this ride's going to be now we won't name names but you know what i'm talking about here there's a claim that val rave or val raven's gonna be smaller than val raven that ziz we'll use the word ziz let's just call it ziz at this point that ziz is we're naming the right now the claim isn't the height because very well this coaster may be smaller in height and that would actually make sense but the claim is drop on ziz will be smaller than val raven what do you think of that i mean it's hard to guess um because well you you've have all been here for it the information as it's been released has really thrown us for a loop here and there um i think it's silly to rule the idea out because there's a lot of buzz around this ride being very different very unique and i just think we should leave space for the fact that that could happen and that the fanboys and the fangirls may not like it but i think it's a possibility and i refuse to rule out any any mathematically possible options until i see the final plans for myself i know and we're so close so close yet so far do any of you guys have anything to say may put this last page because i think we've all talked about the other things or anything i'm just gonna say that uh like bravo to wonderland even though we're not at the announcement yet whatever they announce has to be good the amount of hard work that every single one of those people on that construction site have done for this coaster whether it's like electrical or like putting in footers or like you know making sure it's concrete dry or you know like and then you know basically like what we've seen like with this coaster like i think this coaster for me i think this coaster is going to be larger than val raven in terms of like length i think like i think it's going to be longer than that and overall i just think that it's going to be like a great ride like honestly i'm just happy with whatever they get what was that like the award ceremony for construction projects hey okay but in fairness in fairness they have gone through the heat of the summer which is unusual for canada so i'll give them for this for that yeah that was funny i'm sorry specifically this slide but it doesn't even have anything to say about this because this is an interesting topic and on site side like they have total right and um your prediction in there on my side doesn't add up so what do you guys think i still think the drop is going to be longer than val ravens but the height might be shorter i don't know i agree anyone else i think that would be a fun twist because like everybody said like they're not used to beating cedar points records usually you know some other chain will try to beat cedar points records but within cedar fair they kind of let cedar point be the shining star so i think that would be a really fun twist where wonders wonderland's kind of like hey hey like we've got game but they're still leaving them that one record all right so we asked well i asked some questions on instagram i asked what do you guys want to ask us on instagram and here are first one's interesting um so the coaster height uh we were asked why our predictions have ranged from 215 to 301 um and you all know for any of you that have actually like watched all my videos we state in all of our videos we don't know the height we are basing this off of um speculation rumors and some some of it is facts that we see in front of us and sometimes those facts can be misleading so when you see a footer its location could be for something else and i will say that the coaster will not be under 200 feet in my prediction so it won't have a then that is my final prediction if i end up being so be if he would um this coaster could be in terms of i still think that the coaster will be a larger drop as you just heard um but yeah just that that sums it up we have never claimed we know the height we always tell you guys to take what we say on the height with a grain of salt um 50 feet if you don't believe me wait until announcement and then what is carolyn's ingredient i'll get all of you to talk about this because i have no idea i'm a there with the mist september's tree and the um the barn has something to do with that maybe the break run you'll be in a barn and it'll be the same kind of element what do you guys think kobas um hmm maybe i'll just go back to what mist september's people thought what was in the shed maybe a drop track or something if that's possible on that type of coaster or if mock rides makes one but maybe it's just the sheer number of inversions or how fast it goes or something like that maybe the it's themed to something like i don't know a little old lady that was in the shoe or something yeah we have some uh a crane has just i'm sorry i had to throw that in there i literally just got the message from my source wait i didn't hear what you said what was it oh did i cut out am i cutting out again just a little bit it's manageable though okay uh crane has okay yeah but yeah uh yeah keep going sorry no i was done anyway um we'll get to your guys's questions in a second i just want to answer instagram questions and then you guys can start typing your questions and i'll answer answering them i'm going to scroll answer these ones really quickly and then we'll get to you guys um does anyone else have anything to say about the special ingredient for carolyn's any unique ideas i just think it's really interesting how they're like kind of releasing their ride facts every week and it kind of reminds me of what they did last year with uh twisted timbers because it also kind of went down the same path where on a specific day every week they released the ride fact and that's what twisted timbers did you know what they're like three inversions and 20 is better than four and you know like i like so i like how they're like releasing ride facts every week that and also kenny would did that as well what they're not specifically one once a week but you know i like how they're releasing ride facts and you know having us you know not only the enthusiast but the gp as well you know well mostly the enthusiast but trying to put in the um pieces together as to what this could be and you know ride facts and all that stuff i just think it's really great you know how they're teasing in your crystal i like that too i love a good interactive teasing campaign um and i would love to see something really surprise people like something totally new and unexpected um because when you think of a special ingredient you think of somebody you would really think of right so or maybe like a twist on an element that we have seen before but i would like to see it be something like new and unexpected definitely yeah um all right and how themed will wonderland's coaster be good question um i think you can't really theme a dive coaster except for in the station queue line and maybe there's one section near the pond that might be themed maybe you'll being elements but other than that but then i just thought about baron but other than that you can't really theme it too much i think you'll have a theme tunnel i think in terms of dive coaster this will probably be the most themed coaster and that's probably what the most unique means i mean we already know that this is not a clone of val raven this coaster goes all the way over and i'm going to get i'm going to make some people mad here but the coaster goes all the way over to the timber wolf center and comes back this is an out and back dive coaster this isn't a val raven chicra griffin style dive coaster it's not a clone it's very unique i already know that i didn't need that quotations to tell me that i'm just going to quickly go over these so we can get to our viewers questions um why is the poster themed with a rock um i don't know if you've seen my videos but there are rocks that literally look identical to that sitting in that same storage area a lot of them so you're probably going to see a lot of rock work in terms of this coaster and that's what that means i wish they used a different typography i really hate that um one that they used for that i feel like they could have used an old and timed one to symbolize kind of the theming they're going to go with or even maybe had like an animal print in it if like a bird footprint in it if it's going to be zizz like you know what i mean like something a little more than just that i think it's it aims kind of low yeah i was just going to say welcome to Jurassic Park because of that one um sorry i'm trying to so dory park question mark do i think they're getting i mean who if they are they're getting um delirium a superloop i think you're going to see that maybe go to um something i don't know it's going to be something small at this point nothing is showing up at any other park i think to say which parks are showing more signs of a coaster coming i'm looking at king's island and cedar point even though i think king's island's getting their big coaster in 2020 what do you guys think i agree don't park i don't know i mean i think a lot of us kind of jumped on the coast like the new coaster 2019 train when they removed stinger but we haven't seen any signs of construction like at all adorn a and i even know people who go daily and you know they haven't seen anything either so i'm thinking maybe this isn't dory's year maybe this isn't their year for a coaster maybe they're saving that year for 2020 possibly or something later down the line but as of right now um i don't think that they might be getting a coaster if they do would that be amazing of course the east coast 2018 you know wasn't amazing and if dory park gets a coaster you know i think that'd be great like for sure all right and oh anyone else have anything to say about dory park i mean we all want a raptor or a gci or something like that but it's dory so probably won't happen for another few years if it does happen at all but they really do need something as stinger spot it's just bear over there now so hopefully it comes in all right um and what's next after the dive coaster and will the hotel have an indoor water park the hotel will not have an indoor water park we actually have a video leaking all the information about the hotel on our channel already um and what's next after a dive coaster i'm assuming a gci or a um wing coaster or an invert or a flyer one of those what about you guys i agree i agree with that i'd say that sounds reasonable i really want a flyer but i don't know probably a wooden coaster i hear rumors of the invert and i think that's possible but i also think that a wing would do really well with our lineup like just another b&m for the park as of right now including 2019 they only have three b&m a giga a hyper and a dive machine are we talking like short term or long term um uh short term like what's the next yeah like within the current expansion plan yeah not like a list of what's next just like what would the next coaster be and i was just presenting like a a four option i like those options and i like eastern's uh eastern's theory as well i think more short term what i would like to see is some ride removals and i'm going to get some angry comments but i think we have some crappy rides and rides that are um like they just don't have lines anymore that can be pulled out to make room for one of those great ideas in the near future not that the park is running out of room just that they could be using their room more strategically like if you're removed i always want to call it top gun still flight deck uh and time warp that would be a nice big spot for one of those suggestions you guys made and i think it would be a much better use of that space and it would bring lineups back to that part of the park yeah awesome do you guys have any questions for us before we wrap up um time warp and flight deck needs to be removed i'll just read some comments save your dorney park should buy a steel coaster the track is now arrived at kennywood yes i saw the pictures that's really exciting and that proves that it probably will open on time fingers crossed one more michigan's adventure get a new coaster passed i don't know i honestly don't know if they're gonna get a new coaster i'm assuming it's maybe gonna be wonderlands flying coaster um if it were to get removed to be honest i think michigan's adventure doesn't have much of a um a clientele and this is a to me this is a very good point and you guys can correct me in here if you want i think the reason michigan's adventure isn't getting a new coaster anytime soon is because you have cedar point king's island and canada's wonderland that literally enclose that park and investing in that park with a nice big coaster is only kind of keeping um an audience that goes to those three away from those three other parts so they have three other parks to choose from for them to go to that are relatively close so there's not much of a a demand to put coasters in there what do you guys think about that yeah i agree they're surrounded by so many big parks which was kind of the issue with geoga lake and six flags uh astral world correct me if i'm wrong they were surrounded by all these large parks like if they would have kept investing like they probably would have their like their future probably would have been like not as good so i think even though a lot of us are sad that michigan's adventure isn't investing as much they can't really because if they invest in michigan's adventure then it kind of takes away from these other larger parks that dita bear is trying to invest in so i think that's the really that's like the real reason as to why we don't see some of these smaller parks you know closer to these larger parks getting as many of uh you know expansion and investment i would love to see those parks get a little more creative with the way they make their revenue because you guys are totally right that there are some big giants in the industry that are really pulling a walmart and crushing everybody else and um they i think if they started like hosting festivals and like really utilizing their parks and it's i'm thinking of multiple parks but i think there's opportunity there to use those smaller parks in more creative ways like i'm if anybody ever went to ontario place when it was in its heyday that's what i'm picturing like hosting concerts hosting like like there used to be the big chinese lantern festival and that was really those festivals and those concerts were really their bread and butter and then when they didn't have those things going on they would still operate as a theme park during season but um obviously they didn't need that it was wonderland all right um so daniel has a really unique question i really like this and we're all going to answer this one because i like this if you had if you had to come up with a haunt maze what theme will you choose okay taunted maze at wonderland that was my favorite it was called miners revenge and it was in the whitewater canyon the river rapids ride they used the actual flume of the ride to build like this mine theme they enclosed in everything it was phenomenal and they had chainsaws in there and it was like epic i missed that that's the kind of maze i would want to see come back or i would build what about yucca bust that's a good question something like an abandoned prison theme or something like that i kind of like that whole thing where you hear like giant metal doors closing in the background or you hear voices of people coming at you something like that all right you guys just going i i'd probably i'd probably i'd probably do like either something doing with clowns or like clowns in a house like an like some type of like haunted house that you see in the movie where like you're being dragged away by like a clown or something or i would do a like theme park i'm wrong so like an abandoned theme park would like go shoot something like that something like that to scare people but you know honestly i don't really go to the haunt maze during like you know fright best in haunt so i can't really say how about you uh javin um i really like brennan's reminding me of minors revenge that was definitely one of the all-time best haunt mazes at wonderland and um trono area also has other haunts like screamers and whatnot that's not necessarily a theme park but are much more interactive and that like people actually would reach out and touch you and things like that that a lot of parks don't allow um but like yeah back in the beginning days of when it was fear fest they had some like really really cool ways of utilizing their spaces that they still do now but it seems like sometimes to a lesser extent and so minors revenge i would like to see come back and uh i would say something that reminds me of like like i really like the way universal does their so something where like you kind of recognize the scene but then it takes you into a whole new story from there um and i think it would be really cool to see this would take a lot of theming but like a winter themed haunt maze like fully winterized um and people like scaring you out of the snow and stuff like that yeah honestly anyone else did we lose people no we're all still here yeah we're here okay what about you soli what would your haunt maze be i'm not a big haunt person but uh i'm not really sure i don't really go to a lot of haunts not really into that but uh it'd be nice to see if like the jasms are like using more space in the park like uh i forget what park it is uh maybe great escape uh they use their river trowel as a haunt like you actually go down to the trout it's really really cool um so that that that'd be maybe a cool idea for other parks but you never know anybody else luffy easter yeah luffy um not really too sure um i mean i love haunts um the one that i would probably bring back is uh wait we're talking about which one we would want to be added or brought back something that you want oh well i want my precious werewolf canyon back that used to be my favorite maze and i just really wanted to return again and so yeah that used to probably i think that used to be one of the best mazes at our cga haunt at the time and um and and yeah i just really wanted to come back because that used to be my very favorite one i lied it's kenny wood that uses their river rapids trowel but that that's a really cool concept that i wish more parks did that but yeah hmm oh so um so cga kind of uh kind of used one of their rides too as a haunt maze um and then they just turned into an attraction uh logger's run which is r.a.p now um it used to host blackwoods cavern and they used to have like covered sections of it and they uh and they used it with uh and there was here actors and it was all like with uh spider themes and everything so yeah awesome okay thanks for tuning in guys i does it does anyone else have anything to say before we wrap up nope great stream all right awesome yeah that was a really good stream um stay tuned i am going to be posting a post very shortly um i have this really unique concept i didn't want to post what the concept was because i don't want my idea but i think it's safe now to post the concept based on diverse ride reviews um and that kind of i never really like took that off well i'm gonna i'm gonna bring that back but i'm also bringing a direction um so if you saw my post about a week ago i want anyone that has a home park getting a coaster in 2019 to record their reaction to the coaster announcement the day they're in um so if you'd feel comfortable base um and reacting to what you're getting um please reach out to me um i want as many reactions as i can possibly get and i want to put together um for each project uh group of reactions from differing people to kind of give you a more diverse reaction to a coaster instead of just sitting here listening to me giving my opinion on it um i want there to be more diverse reactions and in every aspect because i i feel like most of the time you come to a youtube channel and you hear that one person's opinion you're like you disagree with it sometimes and you kind of feel that down so i want there to be more diversity than what you see from us in a lot of cases so again feel comfortable uh there's lots of people out of it so thank you i will post um for your people finally reach out to me and i'll get your names down yourself reacting to your coaster being announced or ride and i will post a video on that attraction so hopefully you guys think that's a cool idea because i really did think it was a cool idea and i hope it takes off all right um thanks for watching i guess we're gonna wrap this up now bye guys bye guys bye bye