 On the breakfast, protests at the unity fountain in Abuja by civil society groups demanding that President Mohamed Abouhari should sign the electoral act in Tullour happened yesterday. The former governor of Kano State Rabi Musa Kwankwaso has announced the formation of a third force under the agents of the National Movement for Nigeria of the National Movement Rada in Abuja but what will this third force be able to do to dislodge the two dominant political parties in the country in 2023? And as always, we will be looking through the national dailies and have an analyst join the conversation. A very good morning to you. It's the breakfast in Plastiv Africa. We're back for another two hours of robust, interesting conversations and analysis right here on Plastiv Africa. My name is Kofi Bartels. And I am Mesebo. What's beautiful are Wednesday? Yes, indeed. It happens, Mersi, sometimes that, you know, you forget the day of the week. It's okay. It happens to me sometimes, you know. But anyway, it's been quite interesting. You know, yesterday we had interesting conversations and today new developments and new developments regarding what was said by some politicians, some other politicians have replied to them. For instance, we talked about the trending issues was that one of the first presidential aspirants, Bola Mettinubu, said something. Olucia Gorbasanjo also said something that his generation should get out of the way, you know, so the younger people can emerge. And that's beautiful. Oh, really? Which one is that? I can't say it because the lyrics are not very clear. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, I see. Ah. Okay, interesting. But anyway, let's get into our top trending segment. And Tintubu's Get Dirty Comments, Nigerian Youth to Return to Ansar's campaign. You had a lot of people tweeting Ansar's and it was trending all over social media after Tintubu's statement. But of course, Olucia Gorbasanjo had said something but people refused to allow that, you know, distract them. I mean, look at all the presidents who have been, or the heads of state, the five-year-old guests heads of state in Nigeria's history. You have the likes of Mutala Muhammad. You know, you have, what's the name of him again? I'm trying to remember the person. But Tune Diabon is there, Mutala Muhammad. You have even himself, Yakub Goan is also there as well. You have, even President Buhari was president, I think, at 41. And before he became president at 41, he was a federal commissioner or what you call minister. And he had been an administrator, a governor of a state. But for us this morning? He was a top military, you know, lead officer. Well, but for us this morning, we set off on the fact that you have a teenage girl who is called out. Another girl, we don't know whether the girl is actually a teenage girl. But the fact that she's a young person, I mean quite very young, the issue surrounding this conversation is that she's too young. A lot of people would say when I was in my 12, 14, 17, about this age, this was not my priority. So this teenage girl calls out Esther to leave her boyfriend alone because she's back. We quickly just, I don't know if we'll have that audio right now and we can take that. But for me, it's, you know, for me this has been like a serious argument with the production team as regards this particular story because I feel like, I don't know. So maybe this, with all of this, the reason why this is happening is because the older generation, the generation before now, we're thinking that this is not a priority. Okay? Usually, so she looks like she would be in her, she could probably be a 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. So she is a teen. Yes. But we just quickly take, you know, take a look at this, play a role, the tape, you know, as Goofy would like to see and afterwards, we'll come back to continue the conversation. Just take a listen. Hello. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. I'm Goofy. She just Shefts for me. If you need Shefts for me, I'm going to try to leave her, no, please. Okay, so, so that's it. So you have this young, I mean, she's a teenager from it, not with a, in particular, specific age, but I think that she would be between the age, or ages, we're looking at her, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, not 19. What did she say then? She's there calling out another girl named Esther to leave her boyfriend alone and the big question here is how did we get to this point really? Well I don't know what to say about the situation you know being a teen it's something I think kids are just being kids you know and people have come out on social media to say you know this is this is wrong you know why children are saying things like this you know but it's a kid just being kids basically you know children always be children. That's alright we'll just quickly move away from that and let's also look at another issue the federal government has directed the filmmakers to drop money-retro content from the movies now if you follow the trend if you live in Nigeria if you are in this space then you will know that there seem to be a pattern and that calls for a little consent whether or not you have teens involved in ritual killings because of a head of you know young boys are killing people in the name of making money and so they call it ritual I mean so you kill people ritual money or money rituals have I want to put it now the federal government in her knowledge is thinking that this is actually you know we should actually blame this on the fact that you have the film industry that's nollywood responsible for this particular act so the federal government has directed filmmakers to drop money-retro content from their movies now you have the minister of information and culture like Mohammed confirming that particularly move during a visa to a media visa actually in the FCT now the minister said that some suspected rituals killers have been arrested and they confessed that they learned the ritual killings act on social media that's number one and this has called for change by the federal government to you know cleanse the entire system that's the social media space now another is that many have also blamed nollywood for future in money rituals in some of its movies saying that these have you know they've directed and because you have the nollywood putting out some of this content where you have a saying of when you make so there's a scene where you probably just go to the bubble allow you bring a head and all of that and then you make money and this has also been blamed for the spate at which you have a lot of people engaging be it teenage people be young adults whatever it is that you call it but that's been on the increase constantly you have lives been lost and all of this so but but there's been a lot of argument with this particular one talking about ritual killings the content in Niger some people are saying it's necessarily this is really not the problem the problem is a lot of people are jobless a lot of people do not have means you know to echo leave it and so we need to pay attention to the economic situation we need to do the need for it's like saying we want to stop so you stop the acting the movie but that doesn't necessarily stop I'm robbery so you if you look at the Hollywood movies some of this movies the portray a lot of things gone carrying their robbery but doesn't really stop the real action so if you stop the movies does this stop the people from carrying out the act it doesn't necessarily so we need to and that's why I constantly have to say that if we have to address issues we need to look at the root cause of it we need to understand why people have actually moved on to it yes we we cannot also what's the root cause in your opinion no so if you if you really look at this the issue right here is money and then what do we use money to do we use money to you know purchase I mean money is it's actually that tool where you used to make demands you actually buy and all of that and so at the end of all of this you when you see people do is people get into robbery because they want to probably feed and all of that people do a lot of stuff and so the big question here is are we addressing the issue so if the federal government says we want to enforce a new law to ban money rituals and nollywood does that really solve the problem does that take away the issue of money rituals you know so so it's so interesting analysis from you mercy people have been commenting on this and saying you know bearing their minds and opinions in this and of course you know that they are Minnesota information and culture al-haji line Mohammed isn't particularly the most popular amongst young Nigerians right now the issue of you know rituals killings and all that has become pronounced amongst young people recently and so young people are the ones who are at this center of this and they the reaction the comments to a large alive Mohammed have not been really favorable to him you know people saying okay and how can you tell people who are using their money to run their business how to do it this is just a movie industry and maybe the industry in the movie industry just I'm mirroring what you have in society you know that's that's what basically we're saying so leave the movies alone they're not the ones calling or asking people to go and back or get involved in rituals and some of those who also criticize this statement by the government said that every movie that has a ritual content you know or you know acts out you know rituals in in some part of the movie always has an ending that tells you that the rituals are not good it always has an ending that tells you that doing bad is good I haven't seen an Nigerian movie what about rituals or about Queen of the Coast I'm working on the coast I'm not seeing anyone that ended with the people who went into these things succeeding they always lose that's how I come in the Bible and then an angel dropped from heaven you know I mean these new ones don't do that you're this banking doubly at this one and what's the name of that other guy your body man guy you know all this they don't but the days of the other guys he used to do you know kind of your kind of y'all and then cool you know Mama J and cool you know but you know the way the Bible an angel for fire or strike the demon you say I'm dying I have died you know but but we don't have any you know so so anyway so but but you need to also understand where all of this is coming from I don't want to talk about nollywood they're doing very great you know but I think it's evolving yes you know we don't see those things again where someone is still there so it's been categorized if you look at if you follow the films there's some movies that have been put out in cinema cinema okay yes yes and over time this is what has been going on we cannot negate the fact that these would probably have contributed we're not taking that away so there's a possibility there's a plus on that okay that's probably the hype of course I mean I haven't seen the likes of the media actor I don't know what I he would want to dress in red and black and green you know I don't if you get it I'm saying that if you have if you follow if you've been following nollywood and the content that I put out of the recent recently not recently okay prior to this time prior to recently okay you were friendly that the content has always been about it and then the spin like category so you have the epic movies and if it's like some of the epic movies would you know tell you about all of the juju stuff and me I'm still questioning how but but have you seen anyone I don't know how anyone you know let's say it's kind of your kind of your for instance and you know sorry I'm using your name but have you seen any one of those movies that ends with the people who are involved in the money rituals winning or you know so in the movie right yeah they always don't pay attention to it people do they watch to the end it doesn't really matter what the end is it's what they get so it's what they see because usually in the films you got to see that when they probably use some part of their bodies and sacrifice and then they begin to get money you know money's will start coming out in the house I don't know where how this narrative was gotten I don't know how real this is because I constantly have questioned I am still asking till today how does that really work does that really if you look at to be realistic I'm sorry if you look at it if we look at all of the recently you have folks putting our list of people I haven't really seen anyone saying that because there's a way money works money works if you're rendering service you're producing something no no no one who is yes so the way money works is you have to render a service you probably have to be mercy I have a question for you if you want to preach against the movie against them maybe maybe the kind of content is for I'm robbery for instance I'm robbery or you want to the movie against prostitution I want to do a movie against sexual trafficking you understand I want to do a movie against unprotected sex you know when AIDS was new remember that means watch movies I want to the movie against teenage pregnancy remember when teenage pregnancy was a thing you know it is still a thing no but then nobody was afraid now I don't know what are the the teens are aware of it like we were where you know if you're pregnant then it's almost like the world has come down you know starting you cry so all those movies you don't preach it against teenage we don't see people preaching against in each pregnancy anymore you can you do such a movie without acting showing someone who got pregnant as a teen so this is no it's a simple answer no you can't move against against human trafficking you know without showing so this is the premise I'll come from the Nigerian government is thinking that the content has been chunked out or been brought by nolly nollywood yes nollywood is influencing you know younger generation but I asked you a question I question which you are not answering I said can you put out a movie that speaks of preaches against maybe drug drug abuse without showing somebody who involved in drug abuse so it depends on the January depends on where I'm coming from so I know let's talk about a contemporary movie say no to drugs right or let's preach against rape or abuse of women and girls can you social issues can you put out a movie against drug abuse without and depicting someone who was so movies are stories that's number one we need to understand I don't want you to put me in that box I'm answering your question but I don't want to be in a box no it's a question that you're not answering it no I am answering it you want a yes or no answer and I can't give you that okay so you've been to answer that no if you want to you know you want to show effectively show young people that drug abuse is wrong you know that you know they should stop buying loud how do I know about loud one day I came to Nero here here for an event and someone came up to my car and was selling it to me they've done that a couple of times to me okay all right the police don't know that they are selling loud on Nero they don't know let's do that for another day that's enough for another day if you want to tell I don't want to take a loud or to take a codeine or to take cocaine or to take crack or whatever or crystal meth which is everywhere I don't know that one crystal-ethic method they even have a local name for it and put me I think it's called in the southeast we're going crazy I'm mad about it you want to tell you about you have to show effectively we all did drama in school you know so somebody who went who went into it took it and then their life just went the real and maybe they were helped and they came and said I shouldn't have taken this thing or see my life is better now these movies are teaching and preaching they move preaching against ritualist showing you at the end I've not seen anyone that the ritualist or the guy who was doing the blood money was was the winner and he always lose out at the end they're showing you it was a moral of the story tells my moonlight was a moral of the story that oh and Richard Ossifo or Kanayo Kanayo so I'm going back they came went to do blood money and at the end of the day he died so blood money is not good that's it that's it so people are not listening to that moral then so you know how so what I'm saying is this year we have a government that constantly misses the issue and the major issue is that the major people who are engaged in ritual killings in this country have people in high places true they are people in high places and if it's just like the problem of cultism they come on TV stand and talk and shout and say and not the laws even sometimes they both send the laws and the laws are members of cults and secret societies and so they'll say these things so if you want to go after those who are funding ritual killings in this country you start at the top because that's where they are so who is who is who is fooling who why is it that during election period we have an increase in ritual killings people's children being abducted babies being killed why is that during elections these things increase why this let's stop deceiving ourselves let's move on you know like I rightly mentioned it's more like chasing the shadows like we have rightly said we have the issue of inflation we have the fact that a lot of people are jobless there's a lot that needs to be done but we cannot also take out the fact that yes there might be one or two influence I mean there might just be a moral you probably have a story truth is people actually listen to what they want to people actually practice what they want to do and that's what it is so like you have mentioned that in the tales by moonlight when you have the tales by moonlight the story that's been put out movies are actually stories and it's a reflection of what happened in societies if you look at Hollywood over time a lot of people have criticized criticized the nollywood industry and saying oh how come you you constantly just put out or the fetish stuff and you know this is the kind of story somebody poisoning somebody it's just a reflection of what's going on and that's what these people put so you have the nonfiction and the fiction stories and usually mostly you have the fact that these producers these directors this content providers that put out what's actually happening if you look at nollywood have you ever had a time where they say oh let's you know stop the use of gun gun issue gun control is a big issue in the United States and that's the an issue but we have never seen we've never come to where you have the government thing or we need to take out it it's like stopping he's like saying we can go we can go on this one I know our producers are asking us to move on but maybe we should just ask the country but you know you know you know and society is dynamic and we can't you can if if you narrow down the problem to just one second you just stick to that you know and then then you're not going to move forward you're not going to solve the problems the problem is is that the moral fabric of our society has has been has gone down okay has been eroded and one of the things that has eroded moral fabric of society is the the the thirst for money they believe that you must have the most money at all costs you must get rich at all costs all right and and it's been fueled by politicians it's been fueled by those who are in leadership who steal the nation's money and also blow it in our faces you have one politician who is moving in on the road in the convoy you know and over so it's about money people want money see the the able traders today who have shops would tell you that they can't even put the young people in their shops anymore because the young people who normally will come to the shops as apprentices mercy you know do not want to stay in the shops because don't believe that I will give them quick money they want quick money all right now how did how did the young people get exposed to having quick money fast money this are the values that we've talked talk them you know these are the values you've talked them and even if not it would stop producing these ritual movies it won't stop it's actually about money greed you want money won't have big cars drive faster cars have five phones live in big houses because everything in this country is big you know so that the authorities especially not national orientation agency minister of culture and tourism and a government at hold they need to start you know reorientate in the country you know and and having a values revolution that's that for me is the answer you know and I do agree the movies have a role to play but this is not the approach well we have to you know take a break down that's the much we can take on top trending when we return we'll be looking at the national dailies and of course talking about the big stories on our papers this morning I guess we'll be joining that conversation please stay tuned