 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always my one and only co-host it's Tyler. What's up, brother? How you doing? It's good to be here. It's a bit feel like it's been quite a while Yeah, I mean it has been it has been you've you've got some time off here Congratulations So enjoy that but it's good to be back It's good to be back home after a lengthy trip joining us this week as well Is your co-conspirator? For the upcoming vault wars. It's Travis. How you doing Travis? Good. How are you guys? Glad to be on the show for the first time. Hopefully not the last We'll see that depends on what you do today, yeah You're already starting out strong. You've got bellicor behind you watching over ready to dark master the show So I appreciate that He's been pulling the strings for a long time. There you go. I think Tyler complains about it's probably because of me Vince you don't know Travis I mean he's in the running for one of the earliest to have played at least to my knowledge I mean way back when when it was Loka legion of what chaos ascendant. I think that's what it was called Sure for the first prince. Yeah, he was playing all the filth what before COVID around COVID Yeah in COVID times with the vermin lords and the God summoners and The the chaos dwarf fired demons It was truly doing that during the dark times of the pandemic that Loka came into its own Assist that remains with us to this day that we can only hope will be excised in some fashion by the Eventual slaves to darkness book and by that I mean it will actually officially be a real army and hopefully brought into some sense of Normalcy, but until then I hope the wackiness continues. I know we've got somebody in the chat right now Who's bringing bringing some legion of the first prince to this tournament this weekend? He's one of little spoilers He's one of my odds on favorite to bring it all home, but we'll see how it goes we're going to talk about vault wars upcoming tournament that Travis and Tyler are running this weekend and Of course first the news Yeah, indeed. Yeah Looks like we have a seraphon weapon with this rumor engine Yep Yep Check out that It's a seraphon weapon. All right Any guesses on what it is an underworlds warband I Odds are in your favor. Yeah, I mean I Don't know what else to say right? That's what these things are when it's like like we're not getting a major re-sculpt of seraphon or something so A seraphon it's gonna be there. They're one hero that will be added to the box set It's either that yeah exactly it's that or they're you know an eventual book for like early next year and we're seeing the Model now, I mean to be clear With the Chaos Space Marine reveal that happened at Warhammer Fest We had some of the oldest rumor engines going back to like 2019 finally answered So there was quite a quite a quite a many rumor engines were answered over the course of this last Warhammer Fest reveal So hopefully that means the world is healing As we as we were getting these old old things cleared out. All right. So anyways, yeah some kind of seraphon thing. There we go Good Night haunt and daughters Kane on pre-order Open up this weekend, right? That's right. Yeah this weekend Of course night hot all of the pretty much everything's already out there I'm not sure. I haven't been keeping an eye. We've been a little busy So I'm not sure if daughters of Kane has leaked yet, but I know I've seen night hot floating around I know some certain night haunt players are excited and I know some certain co-hosts can't talk about it So, yeah Correct. I can say we'll be doing our night haunt and doc shows in the upcoming weeks The next two weeks will be those shows. I can say that So there you go Travis, what are you excited about these two books? No, they're not either of my armies and I have quite a few so I'm excited for their players except when Tyler takes up Okay again and and ruins everyone's win rate That's what I do they ruin win rates professionally Tyler What about everybody I tend to think those I don't know what everybody's problem is We've been over this. Yeah, you were basically you were you were basically playing the fair version of the list So, yeah You were being sincere there, which is yeah, no, I'm being real. That's you were really legit. You were playing the fair version of the list Yeah, I don't absolutely It was me playing nights at the empty throne versus Tyler with doc where he told me to be a better person Yeah, that was our lowest point as friends. I think yeah Yes, an unrequited lecture that this man got That if you were at a tournament and that this happens, yeah It was after that moment events that I decided we need to do a gotcha hammer show to prevent Madden like this from existing sure Sure, absolutely. We still we still haven't done it I'm sure much will be revealed in the coming two weeks as we talk about our opinions as per usual You know, we're not doing a show At whatever it is 5 a.m. On Saturday, you know, we'll let everybody else get out ahead of there It's like a rabbit or sorry a tortoise in the hair situation Let that we'll let the the hairs run out there give their early opinion will take a more more measured response All right, really let the thoughts marry try to provide some some insightful commentary We'll fail at that, but it's certainly the goal All right, what else is going on son It goes of doom coming soon What might this be referring to It's the box Box all right, it's a scaven box Makes sense. They reveal that on the one on Okay, excellent Well, well the Sylvan at the War Scrolls are out there Grab have you see again try one of you and I chat about what you guys just talk about this go ahead knock yourself out Yeah, you just ignore the rats, right? Everybody's everybody's seen the death master or scroll. Yeah One word We're grown we're grown We are At the doorstep of Sylvaneth utopia Anybody doesn't know in These war scrolls we're not going to let it detail but in these war scrolls they Peer to have made it clear We might actually only have to play this faction with a single awakened Wildwood kit That we can turn existing terrain features to overgrown terrain Laporte to and from Like I don't know if we're ready for this world and what that would mean It's too much Anyway, what do you think? What do you think about the war scrolls? I Think the war scrolls so far we've that we've seen have been good the only thing is Still takes you 30 minutes to find your first place That's For deployment Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's true. Oh Everything very careful player, you know, he just makes sure that that everything is within the rules Yeah Sometimes he makes his own rules Absolutely, well, which they mean anyway We're moving a warm a weekly we're supposed to take credit for things So yeah, some of those look look a little close to some of those house rules just saying just saying Anyway, yeah, it's they look very excited. They look solid lady of vines looks fascinating Derthu fascinating Yeah Give us the book. All right, I'll shut up. We move on. We got a lot of time up. Oh I forgot sorry Yeah, I didn't I didn't have a picture that let's go to the next thing. All right, so next thing is What do we got here? I? Think I forgot to add this thing in the news but I wanted to talk about anyways. I gave my reaction show I'm gonna jump in here Tyler. I'm gonna insert myself Because we did our reveal show I did that with Rob on Thursday for the AOS day super great fun Rob has as I said on the show like a spaceship setup. It was awesome He's like no no we can just stream to your channel here Just type this stuff here, and I did and he was like boom and now we're doing it I was like how to do that. He's he's like magic. He has some kind of AI powered control NASA like Technology going on there much better than what I do But I wanted to say that I didn't get to talk about the war cry day yet because obviously that happened I say on Friday So we saw the horns of a shit in the Warhammer Fests reveals and we saw this big dude this forearm Centaur guy Who is a rumor engine by the way? To the net the net was a rumor engine The tail yeah, yeah, and the tail. Yes, absolutely. Thank you absolutely correct This dude's like I think this dude is actually three rumor engines the net the knee like his front knee Was also a rumor engine like his front leg that's poking out with a scar on it and the tail If there's a fourth one somebody please tell me if I missed one, but I know he's at least those three But what do you think of the horns of a shit slash this guy? Yeah, I dig it. Yeah, he looks very very sweet The shut's usually a chaos dwarf, but you know, I guess humans can worship him Look, I'm glad he's he's in Modern times require modern solutions and how should decided to open a big tent. He's welcoming all And I'm excited for it. It is all the people who were so excited to see that that entry in the in the box They're in this the leaked stuff of slaves are sorry and then There are oh my god. It's happening everybody. It's happening And they were you know the first chaos dwarf warband here it comes we're gonna get we're gonna get everything we've dreamed of and then they show it and it's just like All the way down My answer is I thought the warband was kind of underwhelming is my honest answer The actual horns of a shit warband itself. They felt like just some guys like like just guys Here's here's some guys. It was like, okay, but this dude is boss I love this guy now since he's got forearms and four legs. Is he technically an arachnid? Mmm, he does have eight limbs. Isn't that the definition of an arachnid? I don't know. Maybe it may be like the exit skeleton is also required We need we need Paul Wagner in here to help us out on the spider definition, but Just saying it feels like he's in the he's in the group So yeah, all that slaves dark and stuff looks incredible. Yeah, I mean this dude was great I was all about this dude Travis any thoughts on any of the war cry stuff No, I I'm just excited for slaves of darkness. They're they're one of my armies. So added in Yeah, yep. Yeah, this dude's cool I'm not sure about like actually painting him for anything because as you can see here He has he like he has no golden angle He's a really tough sculpt to like resolve because his one arm is pointing directly towards you while the rest of the Arms are open like I'm not sure he has a good viewing angle, but he's cool. I like him I like forearmed Monster guy, so that's cool. Yeah, sweet good stuff But I just wanted to get the little war cry mention in there since we didn't get to talk about it on the show on Thursday Well, we're talking about Fest just real quick all of the reveals that we had that were there Obviously, we had the the Sylvaneth and the Skaven reveals and everything like that Tyler, what was your thought on the the general AOS Warhammer Fest? What was your take? Oh? There was the previous really good I watched the 40k and the AOS really enjoyed the AOS There was a nice change of pace from the adepthicom preview that we had gotten so yeah a lot a lot of good stuff I mean obviously Just like over the moon about the Sylvaneth models dude I mean those are insanely beautiful and I know there's a little bit of freak out about the breaking one of our cardinal sense mortal wounds on Modified six is to hit with shooting, but I at least the price point on those things looks to be Sufficiently high. I mean we'll see who the hell knows until we see the battle tone And I think what 215 for the gossip and archers for five of them Modified six to hit deether mortal wins two shots each Two shots each. Yeah, and they've got some funky unleash. Oh, they get they can do unleash Oh, and then retreat immediately after to hop out of dodge Yeah, they look strong They are expensive and very fragile, so we'll see Yeah, all those simple models were we're insane. Was there anything else in that one of us? I just know this over the stuff. So we can we can skip everything. We can skip everything else Sure, obviously, we had the new KO guy in the new vampire both of whom I thought were like really Black library, I thought they were just yeah, I Really dug back out of those two guys. I thought they were top-notch sculpts Definitely the demon prince. Yeah, then well, yeah, the 40k when obviously we saw the other side of the prince The other the other system version of demon prince But what was important about that was we saw that we're not gonna have to suffer through the like derpy face Right that they showed in the aOS preview that we're gonna get a face for each God So there's gonna be just a ton of head options in there, which is awesome I really liked the the I thought both the corn and slanache face looked really good So that was super cool Yeah, and then obviously we had that the city's a sigmar journey So we know we're not getting anything cities anytime soon And instead we're going on a journey like the sisters battle that was very that's what it was very reminiscent of to me Right like if you remember back when they did the sisters battle thing where they'd have these design guides Here's the stuff we're working on. Here's the sculpts. Here's the iconography. Here's the way we're thinking blah blah blah blah While I was over there, I did put in my own pitch to retain to since I'm in Warhammer world and you know people who are Theoretically working on these potential models are around I did put in my pitch to keep the mixed Race and like to have mixed race units Within the city so like humans elves and dwarves all together As cities models, you know, I just I said don't lose that. I think it's a great thing make some mixed units that are all that As well as mixed gender obviously So, you know, I I hope that it's I'm excited to go on that journey And I think it's gonna be something long overdue Right of us getting a complete basically re-sculpt of that line because that's what that that's what that Portents, right? You think it's gonna be like at least 50% if not 80% of the same something like yeah, like 80 90 percent. Yeah, I mean when you look at sisters, it's not like there's You know It's not like much of the old stuff survived I like that was a completely new line and I assume if we're gonna hype this up with a year-long design journey like We're going into the paint hard and I say you're long. I don't know that they actually specifically said a year long I'm just saying like that's how long the sisters was. That's what I'm using as a benchmark, right? You can see them keep in the big stuff like a steam tank or Prost heart maybe the Huracanum like some of the the new newer I'm putting those in big quotes But but newer plastic kits that are frankly still good like there's nothing wrong with the Phoenix There's nothing wrong with the the Huracanum slash lumen arc, right? Toph wants to know is this a new addition for work, right? They didn't say anything about a new addition Who knows if you want my guess yes We'll have a new addition this year because that would be the three-year cycle, but they didn't say anything about it So I don't know anything about it like but it's you know, I guess we'll see is the answer The the hope would be if we do get a new addition. It's like a incremental change that doesn't invalidate anything. So right Time will tell we also got news about we're moving to six months seasons Which we thought might be on the way because the 40k. Yeah, so yeah, GSP six months seasons You probably talked to Rob about this. I didn't take it. It was curious perspective. I'm We talked about it a little bit a while back, you know, the asterisk if it's done Well, I'm on boards like I like the idea of Six months intervals to get us new battle plans for example Sure, we just went through this dude where yeah, we had a I mean, that's why war code exists, right? Because we just didn't have enough good battle plans and we had some great ones that were on the shelf So let's let's translate them. Yeah, if if this could potentially Less than the need for war code. Cool. Fantastic Yeah, I mean my Travis I want to get your take on this but I'll here's what I'll say on the six-month thing I don't I don't know what to think about it because I don't have enough information to know what to think about it yet That's the problem Like there is a path where that could be implemented in a very positive way that actually makes the tumult and change and sort of ease of delivery And what you have to know very simple like let's say one of them is very match play focus And one of them really introduces and leans a lot more into like narrative editions Or switches up and add some new battle plans as you said, and that's kind of the impact there and that's kind of it Where it could be very positive There's one version where it is Very very negative where everybody is now on a six-month treadmill and is having to buy all these throwaway books And that's super negative, right? So it's about sort of the nature of how compulsory Everything is and what's contained in there and the balance between like it's a cool thing You want to buy because you want to buy it and it delivers value to your table Versus it's a compulsory buy because you feel like you've got to keep up with the Joneses and I don't know from the information We have I have no idea which way it's gonna go So I hope they do it right is what I'll say There you go Travis, what do you think? Yeah, I think it would be neat like, you know, we're we're in Gur so right now We're in the the time of beasts Well, you know monsters had all their things and then what they said that we're going to With basically horde armies now We're still still staying in Gur as far as I know They confirm that yeah, you know if they you know switch to a different realm for Six months and then you know that's got a certain theme and they keep it in that realm But switch it to a different theme I think that'd be kind of neat And if you as a to they let you play you know any battle playing from you know As long as it's in the same realm Be kind of neat Yeah So yeah time will tell me all right W. Soren said what did you have in the case as a worm world Vince? The answer is absolutely nothing Because I couldn't bring anything my my luggage my one care like I only I travel light with a backpack So I just my backpack was absolutely full. I couldn't bring any any models To do with I like the new style of paint competition They had and the actual things I had painted which was the alpha legion and Perturabo the Primark of the iron warriors both got stuck in customs So neither made it to the show on time Even though I sent them a long time ago. They were in customs for like three weeks And they are still there as far as I know So boo There's having all kinds of good experiences with the UK My models weren't there. It was very bad So CW says I doubt horde. It's hard to hoard with for reinforcement points. I disagree with that CW because We Probably are gonna see them start to play with that as a rule It would be very easy to break that as a rule like let's do a theoretical Gitz book here like we did on the show a couple weeks back Whenever we did it Goblin shooters and stabbas Any reinforcement of goblin shooters or stabbas do not count toward reinforcement points There you go. That could just be a rule Right like boom. There it is right or it could be like for every loon boss You include you can double reinforce one of those units without accounting towards your reinforcement points or whatever there's five thousand different ways you could implement that and My guess is we're gonna see a lot of that get played with pretty soon. So there you go Okay, all right last thing and news Linesh white dwarf update. Yeah. Oh, there's the box I did have a picture the box set of this of this thing that got spoiled. I'm sorry of our little archers in the lady For the lady and then I love by the way just real quick back to this box I know I'm jumping around because I thought I had my pictures in the right order, but here we are um, I Love that the Sylvaneth side of this has what 10 models And the cave inside of this has 32 models and yet I still feel like the Sylvaneth side is like doing in a way better position Like that's a yeah, I'm I'm concerned about the efficacy of the scaven side of this box It does not feel good for my little rat boys Yeah Um, but any who? Okay, uh, yeah, let's talk about the white dwarf update because that's where we were all going. You knew it was coming. We saved The best for last Question mark Uh Yeah, so anyways slanash got its white dwarf update On the scale of What's our scale here? Obviously beast of chaos is at the top Okay, that's that's the top What's the bottom? Horn What's that? There's got to be horns got to be near the bottom if not the bottom I was near the bottom, but was it worse than like slaves to darkness? Was slaves to darkness again? There you go. Exactly Crap Oh, what was theirs? Oh, goodness. They were one of the early ones. I can't even remember now. Uh, you're you're uh cultists got Marks and could be bad. The cultists got marks. That was actually pretty good Yeah Like I'm trying to think of what was the truly like it was it was a neat thing The problem is most of them have like one neat thing Right Uh, well cities gave the griffin thing the griffin's come back and you turned into phoenixes Which was like kind of a cool thing So, yeah, the slaves had the cultist thing like most of them had one little tiny thing that was at least neat So it's hard to pick the bottom, but cities were certainly underwhelming. I'll say that much for sure Uh, but anyways, whatever the bottom is We'll let everybody argue about it. Uh, I would argue we just got a new contender though Because We cut we've got a power bottom coming in here real strong Okay and We get this new first of all Most of what's in this white dwarf update. I didn't even literally like I had the other pictures I didn't even bother to put them in here. I was like it's not worth it I'm not discussing these underwhelming battalions I'm not discussing these Like the battalions were okay-ish um And The grand strats and battle tactics were as usual pretty terrible No, we're losing the argument that to that one battle tome and white dwarf update at a time We're losing the argument it's an uphill battle like this is going to happen my friends at events Like I felt I got so much crap for vault wars because I refuse to give in This first year No, I think you're exactly right People were complaining because they wanted to use their tomes battle tactics. Is that what was? Yeah, absolutely. Hey everybody Stop stop being bad monster. Yeah, just stop buying We those those need to be thrown into the ash bin of history. They're terrible terrible Uh at any rate Uh This is like this is something The basic premise here just to bring everybody up on it is if you're it you now get a running bonus For your army based on the amount of depravity points you have Six plus giving you they're cumulative obviously six plus giving you Rally on a five up for your heat knights units 12 plus giving you two inches to the move characteristic and 18 plus being a five up award I have seen some people defending this Uh, you know because the corn one was really popular with most players Most people love it when they can spend the thing that lets them summon um To get rid of buffs. I think that is really What people wanted the corn one proved so overwhelmingly popular They were like, let's do more of that The corn one has a certain appeal to a certain psychographic profile namely like a certain johnny player who really likes being able to Have all those options and play in that sort of liminal space of like am I going to move in the hero phase or or or summon something? um But they actually had really powerful options that change their gameplay Right Like being able to move or fight in the hero phase or you know do things like that cause mortal wounds heal their units whatever Um, this is much more of a static thing uh and I don't know what any of this is doing Like I rallying wasn't a problem for me with slanesh. My units are all dead I you can't rally back from from The pile of corpses that is any slanesh unit if it gets touched by any enemy thing Um, yeah, you can't rally in combat either. So you're either you know in combat or dead Well, so I mean the first thought is bliss barb archers with that. So which I have seen A number of people who are trying to be competitive with slanesh leaning into the bliss barb archers for better or worse So I could potentially see some rallying on them. But again, I I get it Can't rally if your unit of however many they are get wiped out Um, I uh, I touched the unit of bliss barbs with two fulminators I One of the guys on top attacked that unit because I was touching two units I put one of the guys on top not both One into that unit of bliss barbs and lifted them To prove a point Gone very rude. Okay now Given I I did have the points advantage there 230 points to 180 points, but I mean they evaporated on Uh One less than one third of the attacks out of that unit Okay And like I get it fulminators do a lot of damage her her But most things do a lot of damage to a unit with with a six up save and a six bravery Right. So So okay, cool Um, two inches to move is fine What's that? This wife dwarf update is I much needed nerf to those who would summon fiends Taiwan Yeah, like man Two inches to move is fine. I've got a better idea Let's just make everything in the army faster rather than 80 12 depravity points Winnie-Pie we become one of the slower forces in age of sigmar on slainesh Like it's really just depressing how slow slainesh is compared to most armies Uh that like fly the whole the whole army like base moves eight to 16 and flies You know or something like this like that's there are by the way, what army am I describing there? Could be multiple because there are multiple armies that fit that criteria Uh, so that's exciting And then the 18 plus which you're not gonna like unless you're playing a depravity farm You're not gonna get that until Two three depending on how the game goes And you know like yeah a ward of five up is cool. I'm not gonna lie like that is a cool ability But boy if you want to keep that around that means you basically don't summon during the game in any in any meaningful way Nercle gets that without having to try Sure sure and we can't make like I don't want slainesh to be like nercle I really don't like I don't know why we thought of like None of this is correct None of this is correct. This is all bad Good send this back to design. This is just Bad. This is just bad This shouldn't be borrowing another army's weird ability Yes, there's no defense. Good. That's slainesh. That's not what slainesh is about It should be hitting hard and fast like this is a very simple thing. There are three basic themes to slainesh okay Which is You go real fast You cut through armor really well because you got big sharpie snappy claws And you cause euphoric ecstatic revelry. That's it folks That's the army Figure out how to design those three things into an army Like if you want we could just use you know, like I don't know any of the versions of Daughters of Cain and just like Scrape off all the names and you'd be pretty close Because all they've been is a classic like all Daughters has been in every incarnation of their book so far We'll see on the new one has been just like good slainesh basically So like I do not want this I do not want some like because here's the trick if I don't summon I'm still all of my units that I took in my army are vastly over pointed because of my summoning ability Okay So like am I going to pay a 30 premium on every unit? for The ability to rally the two inches of move and then in turn three on a five upward Is that worth 30 more on every unit in my book? My answer is real simple. No Because slainesh games don't go that deep you you losing like the first you either lose or win in the first two turns often Like the game is decided because just that the nature of your army has no staying power right So and and every other army is very fast and hits very hard so No Do not want I have I have I made my point anybody anybody the comments don't want to defend this I would say works I would like to see how we go. I have to get some games in We've got a guy who's slainesh Probably you've won five six thousand points travel with bryce the slainesh that are been collecting dust for the past year Have to get them out and give them a go See how it feels All right Yeah, I mean by the way my answer is real quick My answer is very simple like I'll play this as well Just because whatever I still in I play my slainesh every so often. I mean you know, I have a ton of slainesh and love this army but like I see nothing here that makes me think that that the the correct strategy with slainesh Isn't still spend as many points on not slainesh as you can Like step one get bellicor get bellicor in there. That's that's essential step two Stuff that full of chimeras and cockatrices and things that can mortal wound shoot So you can get good depravity and have like range threat Right like once you've spent about eight nine hundred points on anything that isn't in that book Then you can start looking at your own units and I have nothing in this change is my mind enough Guys, we're off to a fantastic start order is being restored to warmer weekly Hey six minutes in we have a new guy daddy news He's going really well tonight. All right We are in for it. We're in for it tonight All right. Hey by the way everybody after that hit like subscribe if you haven't already as we leave the news section behind Don't forget to hit those buttons. It's super fun and we appreciate it. So Hit like and start and such it really helps the channel Hit like if you Are excited about these or hit like if you're not excited about these buffs The youtube will know which way you feel. It's a very smart algorithm. It uses tubes and stuff to know okay So let's move to pick of the week. Shall we tyler? excellent All right week. Well, we'll get you we'll get you on that at some point. Yes. He's got a correct you singular Uh at any rate tyler, why don't you start us off since you've got a million? Absolutely Three I was very concerned Uh one per week that I've been off. Here we go aos worlds 2022 rob simes and company knocking out of the park fantastic video It's ton of work went into it reviewing all the lists the teams. It's amazing. It's uh short like 45 to an hour Check it out. If you haven't yet, uh, really excited about that. We've been talking about maybe trying to do a show after aos worlds So reach out to some folks. We'd love to Give some coverage after the event. See how it goes for team america And yeah, it's just it's fantastic Some scary scary list showing up to that event a lot of dragon ogres all the dragon ogres Oh my god Yeah, I haven't even looked at that new which is minus three brand right on dragon ogres right now something like that Some crazy Uh, let's see. What else we got Smash and bash gt 2022 The event pack so this put on by awesome weird knobs Some texas guys responsible for the incredible score sheet in the community for other things incredible gaming club They have put together one of the coolest Best design best thought out packs that I've seen in quite some time Nice and so I mean this is just yeah, like you would I think you'd really enjoy this man They did something interesting with the sportsmanship All the discussion that we've been having in the community of lights. Obviously, it's a it's an annual discussion But they all yeah, let's let folks check it out. It's a lot to get into in terms of how they're doing it But you know, it's different it's interesting And yeah, there's there's a lot to say about that pack, but I love it and kudos to them for putting that together So uh their events it's gonna have 90 players It might be in june. I'll have to let me see here. It is smash and bash gt And four through fifth. I have no idea if they've got spots left, but yeah, check them out awesome weird knobs Finally But this one was my last one. I've got too many I can't remember them. I can't even remember all your picks I literally blanked on what my last pick was picks of the week asylum war gaming the new swedish champion, konstantinos kellis Congratulations, buddy. Obviously we had him on fairly recently talking about eiden at deepkin one of his absolute loves He took it home There was a great discussion that he had the other day on asylum war gaming on twitch Just talking about his experience. He played nergal The guy Is just incredibly thoughtful with this game. So yeah, I really enjoyed that chat with konstantinos master player Awesome human being go check out that show if you didn't watch it. He was he was doing our idk show Because he's also a big idk player and man just just an all-around amazing person I couldn't be happier. Congratulations to him on bringing home the big trophy for taking home the championship Uh, so yeah, good stuff. I I love that and uh, I wanted to shout him out because I was such they're so amazing Uh, travis, what's your pick? What do you got for everybody? My pick of the week is dug with two plus tough Making his call-out video for his grudge match against uh, brennan melnick And I think it had a response video as well. So if you're the Warhammer youtuber or influencer, I think we need more of these in the community Uh, I love it. I know that obviously, uh, you know, joe pagano and randy when they were doing their big showdown back in cancon 2020 They had videos They had hype videos and lead up to it, uh to their big showdown Uh, so yeah, I it's all hilarious and obviously in very good fun on both cases. So Yeah, I love I love the good-natured ribbing. So absolutely fantastic Uh, my pick is going to be if you want to see some more in-depth discussion Of some of the leaked stuff, especially out of the echoes of doom box set Uh, go check out the uh, hey, woe. Hey, woe twitch Our good buddy, hey woe who did as as usual in combination with uh, sjrkade and Many other people he put together a nice preso of all the stuff and talked through it and I thought he He had some good takes especially on the gossip at archers Uh, so as as as there has as you said tyler been much consternation Around it. Uh, hey woe is on youtube. It is a youtube video He he streams it on twitch and then he cuts it together on youtube The all of them are linked below greenskins. So you can find this link down below I linked the youtube video since I don't know how long the vod stays around on on twitch Uh, but yeah, so go check that out All right, awesome Gentlemen, let's talk hobby time Tyler you're still not painting anything yet, correct? No, no I of uh Officially one more weekends and I'm out of excuses Officially I have a lot more time than that. We all know that I've got to get models gathered I've got to figure out an army. This stuff takes time, Vince. All right. There's a whole process. Yeah They release stormcasts and you know dollars of cane and sylvaneth now Four hour games with sylvaneth. Everybody needs that in their lives again Yeah, lots of decisions to make here. I put some Uh, did a little bit of work on the sylvaneth table Some help from my one and only mother Was amazing and scott scott sprawl We'll have a photo of that coming up. So people get to check it out The work of our good good friend good painter buddy scott sprawl and my mom So, yeah Very nice a little bit. I can take a family affair for a piece. I love it We're we're gonna talk more about Tyler and the inevitable painting here in a little while. Don't you worry about that Travis what's on your hobby table my man? Got a few I am finishing my uh drakespawn height Or uh, whatever the Templar for my city's a sigmar Uh, he's coming together Then I also have Recently got a uh guo for legion the first prince to uh wreck some faces with that 15 attack four full blade Hmm Because I'm such a nice guy Okay, that too big gribblies. I love it. I love it. Just two giant monsters to dive it in fantastic events Travis used to be narrative Travis. Uh-huh. Uh, how long ago has it been? Started in 2017 with free guild And so you're saying now he's become he's become whack is what I'm hearing here Just a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I mean the point The year of uh, covid and playing tyler every single week really broke me All right, nice Uh, very nice anthony in the chat says two more tables of terrain are on their way to your house as I type That means two boxes of skanks to paint tyler. So there you go Everything you said there was right up to the skinks. Uh, polkasro and then uh, We got we got two plus tough dugs out in the chat dug We already shouted out your call out video to brendan and we're going to talk about dug a little more later on Uh dug is going to feature in this show around vault wars as you'll see Uh, all right for my hobby time I continue to make my way through the nether maze Scaven Um, so I got these two little dudes done I'm working my way up from the least interesting sculpts in this to the most interesting So I have the two little boys done like the two little weedy dudes who hang out in the back And uh, now I'm almost done with net boy Uh, little net thrower guy with his throwing star He's almost done And then I've got uh the character and the smoke jumper left So this dude will be done basically I'll probably finish him up after the show like he just needs a few little touches uh and Up brendan in the chat as well saying dug stands no chance versus his mighty trees Uh, so getting through those guys and then man, I don't know what I want to tackle I've got so many things I want to I want to paint right now. It's uh, it's ridiculous and not enough time I'm actually ready to be done with these nether maze scaven I'm honest, but I'm not gonna not paint them Um, I've just got a bunch of individual models. I want to do so Uh, so there we go So people are going to see a whole bunch of stuff in coming weeks Uh, we're actually going to see stuff that you're doing. You can talk about it. Yeah. Well, yeah now I'm not exactly like I I managed to uh To survive the whole heresy thing and all of that like it's just kind of this bad time of of getting a bunch of stuff Where I wasn't allowed to show anything but now now I will be able to Although some of it will be 40k stuff because some of it's for golden demon So it's going to be less exciting to everybody but hey Deal with it. Uh, there we go Um, there will be videos though Okay Uh I mean, I feel like I don't know tyler. I feel like with that echoes of doom thing coming Uh, I should probably do a sylvaneth video, right? Should I shouldn't I do something sylvaneth related all day, man? Give me give me a entire series Exactly. I'm slow. Yeah, just give it give give it to me. Help me get going sylvaneth month Absolutely. Yeah, get some slap shop action going. I know you're a huge fan Well, you know, it's rob really changed the game and I'm excited about it. So it's it's nice um Okay, uh, let's move on to our main topic which is vault wars Let's talk about vault wars There it is vault wars 2022 tournament coming up this weekend Uh, so tyler and travis are co-conspirators in this tournament Uh, and and carl morgan shout outs carl Metagame is unlimited our host our wonderful host our flgs an amazing store Yeah, carl is the man who's making this all happen for us Uh, awesome very good. Um, so We're gonna actually do the full shout outs at the end Uh, so don't worry, but so that that will be limited. There will be thanks much. Thanks incoming But uh As we get into vault wars and leave all the rest behind I hope everybody out there is hobbying I hope you're all doing something or painting something or getting your stuff painted if you're gonna be at vault wars this weekend I hope your army is all painted up Again, don't forget to hit like and subscribe and do all those things if you haven't clicked a button yet There's a lot of people watching and I don't see that many likes that means some of you aren't clicking a little button when you could click a button So click the button Okay, let's talk about vault wars. What is this tyler? Take us through I've got inspirations and awards here on the on the thing So kind of take us through your thoughts around this because as we've said the awards are often a lens into what people are trying to accomplish with the the tournament Yeah, totally So, I mean Honestly, so some of this stuff is we wanted to do an event like so carl came off a war machine weekend He did that for a long while. I think that was up to it was the biggest war machine event Certainly united states up to 600 people. So he's got a lot of event background experience I've got background experience travis co-conspirator. We want to do an event I've been bugged for years now in the community about doing something. So finally gave in and you know, we We didn't have some big like first principles. This is the design intent of vault wars that we went through You know, we had a little bit of a little bit in our our heads about what we wanted to achieve You know kind of pulling our different values different interests uh events, you know, one of my big ones is Sonic warhammer challenging warhammer basement warhammer. Whatever the heck you want to call it That's what I like letting the gas off the pedal a little bit bringing War scrolls you don't normally see Underdog list Wanted to have that be a core part of this brucey brawl is probably the best existing example that I know of in the world For that kind of spirit Brennan and I we came up with the whole underdog hard mode award and incentive idea way back when 2017 2018 I mean, it's like not that special of an idea. It's kind of obvious kind of straightforward But so yeah, that was going to be part of it. Uh, trev, what are some of your thoughts on What how you think about vault wars? um, I think, you know, we we have a pretty good group around the springfield area right a lot of regulars that come and I think, you know building these uh Well-painted tables mine's okay But about a bit away However, um, you know once we get these good tables in I think it'll be a real good place for us to showcase different, uh, you know artwork besides the, uh, you know painting models um, but also, you know, just get out that It's not that hard to run a good tournament. It just takes a lot of planning Absolutely. Yeah Yes, we wanted an event that will work for a range of different people, but yeah Oh, I wanted to list some of the inspirations here just to Again be transparent about the development of this event and where it is. This is our first event, right? Oh We started planning the I don't you know when we started Travis. It feels forever ago At the time, you know, we last year this year sometime, yeah At the time we went through a lot of different event packs And these are some of the the ones that we went through and that really inspired us Notice a running theme with with some of these, you know, I mean, there's a number of midwest events There's not many west coast or east coast events And in part that was because we didn't have as much awareness about that scene and that you know events That's why we wanted to have gareth, you know, tom on right Of fill in those blind spots So I think like one thing to be upfront about vault wars is that I think when you look at it from a Like a design signature standpoint If I were on the west coast maybe on the east coast some of these like like the smash and bash gt for example That has a fairly different design signature Then vault wars and a number of these events face hammer gt Nash con That's all fine. But so, you know, maybe vault wars will look a little different next year. Maybe it won't But yeah, these were some of the ones that had a big influence on us Can't calm with called the glory a lot of our Structure of our scoring is right front right out of face hammer gts pack with russ and company I thought they did a really nice job with how they structure things with their last event At nash con, I mean, I won't go through all of these but just yeah shout out to all those Events and groups that that had an influence on us and there's certainly more that could be names. But yeah Yeah, so I want to dive in real quick on underdog and hard mode I think monster slayer is pretty honest slay a lot of monsters, right? Okay, so not not too tough there again, nash con also had that it was a lot of fun Whoever's trying to go after monster slayer vault war. I just want to point out The current bar said it nash con 2021 the winner of that award killed 20 monsters I want everybody to really think about that There are five games played in a tournament killed 20 monsters. That means the average four per game so That is a just wild number to to hit um So I want you to talk about underdog and hard mode real quick. I want to answer green skins green skins The answer is it's meant to be mixed with valio metal color copper the copper is very red the green the gold is very green Green and gold are complementary colors. They make brown in the middle So you're supposed to mix it like three to one with copper or two to one depending on the warmth you want Okay, there you go answered that Uh, now tell me about underdog and hard mode and how a list qualifies for these and what this means Uh, absolutely. So underdog when we were first developing it the idea was Let's have an award that incentivizes folks to play underperforming factions. How do we determine what factions are underperforming? I mean generally speaking, I know There are asterisks with asterisks with the data that we have from the t-sports stats center But that's generally our best source. It's an amazing source that we have in the community You can look at win rates kind of get a ballpark idea Dive into details. Do we have enough games that are being played, you know, what's with these factions? But Looking at those that are underperforming and if you play any of those factions, we came up with a list Old boys, Sylvaneth, Knight Haunts, Lanesh, there were quite a few on there Then the hunt came out and made it easier Right, exactly. Yeah Yeah, totally. Yeah, which whomever was uh prime hunter We thought the the prime hunter list was missing a few like corn was not on there Sure, FEC should be. Yeah, BC. Yeah, absolutely. Oh That was basically it whomever Does the best in battle points We'll get into how we broke that down We'll win the underdog award And we did have a if nothing else a thematic element to it that we added as we got into this Which was that we didn't think it made a lot of sense to have somebody Playing a quote-unquote underdog army that was led by the gash or led by cragnos Or any of the quote-unquote god models. So we yeah Goat trick was kind of the one that was on the fence my friend against scott's role He's playing go trick in a Sylvaneth list. We decided to throw go trick in there. Is he a god? Is he not? I don't know. Maybe somebody can tell me but that was the one that we were on the fence about You know should go trick be on that list or not? Yeah, so that's that's underdog hard mode is basically Similar to that, but it's open to anybody Faction as long as you are toning your list down enough Yeah, you are trying to take a really challenging list And over achieve with it is the basic idea there Sure Like even very winning lists like you could take a serif on hard mode list because there's certainly picks you could you could There's ways you could construct that army that aren't Thunder lizards to bestilladons Right like you know so on right Yeah, when when we were discussing hard mode. I I think we said it's got teeth, but not fangs I like that. I like that. Yeah, I mean for the person like if you want the serif on hard mode list it'd be like The guy on karnas or plus two 30 blocks of soruses You know Two by five sorus knights, you know some something like that right like that's the kind of thing you're looking at there, right? So keep going you're you're literally writing our friend dan pits at epic on list And uh the And for hard mode you all had to approve it as being a hard mode list right that was out went It did yeah, because I didn't want There to be a question And so I mean the point is it's entirely subjective like this was a real challenge We got into debates, you know events. I think I reached out to you should bellicor So james matthews just to be transparent on this, you know, james if he's listening knows back story James did not reach out to ask if he could qualify for hard modes And we were debating should we offer it, but he's got bellicorps. He's got sigmalds, but he's playing slanesh So I think Vince you thought that basically whomever's playing slanesh Yeah So yeah, there were there were a few fence centers we weren't entirely sure about And we just ended up going with the folks who would ask To be eligible for hard modes and then we assessed from there Sure Yeah, we would yeah I mean when you're touching the 30s depending on how you cut it for win rate That means you you've fallen below two and three like I feel like that's a good sign That there's not a lot of gas in that tank like the best list in the the best list you've got is still hard There ain't fangs in the army. It's not found Yeah, okay cool. I love it I think this is definitely something We'd like to do more next year like one thing I realized trav as we were we talked about as we were doing this I mean we could have just reached out to a number of players and had an invitation to play on hard mode play underdog We didn't really do that. We just kind of let players do whatever they want But I mean do events. I think there's so many ways that you could do this Our friend Dave Nordstrom is rolling back the clock to 2017 running skull crusher spam But one of his lists has I think it's maserall the butcher Yeah, only this is a unique character in the corn battle tome. I've never looked at the war scroll. I've no idea, right Yeah, what if we had it to where you had incentives for running the the not played war scrolls Or you know, I'm sure there's a number of ways that you could do that that could be interesting It's kind of part of this spirit Yeah, I love it. I love it Okay Let's talk about scoring. So I've got the I've got your your scoring basically broken out here Um, so you want to walk us through the the scoring here? Yeah, totally and again as far as I can remember this is pretty much spot on with face-emerg-t's scoring. So Uh, yeah, I just I really liked it at the time again. I might do things a little differently with current knowledge But here we are so army lists very straightforward Just want to It's traven iceman an entire weekend last weekend going through all the lists getting the middle times We didn't have to be doing it right now And so that's very straightforward. Let's do that painting Already gw's battle ready standards traditional, you know, three color minimum orientation 15 points army is cohesive all models look like They belong together 10 points The differentiator for some players will be the parade ready army has extra effort applied The way that I I look in this events It seemed like mostly games workshop is to find this in terms of essentially is the army highlighted or not Does it have highlights? And it's see a whole lot of detail beyond that in terms of a definition of parade right? Yeah I mean to me it's pretty it's pretty fair to say what this is, right? Like has there been like, you know Have you put in the effort like you can tell Right did people go to the effort to create some depth some contrast did they do some fun things there? Maybe they tried some freehand. They've got some cool custom basing whatever that means, right? Like all of those things could be construed as extra effort, right? And that's that's what it's so it's a wide net And it's a you know, it's overall it's a fairly minor part of the score And I like the way you just construed that very broadly I think that's a nice way to go right like we all know what extra effort means when we're talking about over battle ready That's the sense right and you kind of know it when you see it with us Yeah And I like that a lot better than than sort of saying like did you do conversions? You know one point and right like I hate that because some are some people don't want to do that stuff Like you know, you give a point for freehand It's like well my army didn't have any real Chances for freehand like there was no what am I going to do like I'm just then I'm just shoving things in there for no reason Right, so I don't I don't like that. I want the army to be You know painted how someone wants to to a high standard. So anyways, there you go That's a lie. Yeah, and we get into more detail in terms of best painted You know, that's kind of a separate thing this obviously just for the painting score portion And and yeah, and then sports we've had a lot of discussion in the community about this. It's fantastic There's differences of opinion. I get it. This is essentially adepticons A way of doing sports. I know a lot of people hate it. A lot of people love it We've talked a lot about it. We don't have to do it again. I'm still I think all of us Travis fair to say are getting You know a sense of our perspective on this and getting different viewpoints and we'll see what we do next year You know, we may change this up and like you're going with a checklist sports core here, right? Whether it's quantitative value easily Evaluated metrics like was your opponent on time and had everything they need to play that is a yes or no question Right if yes one point did they resolve any issues amicably? That's one point. Did they play in a time? All right, like these are these are questions that have yes. No answers Right, there's still a little bit of maybe gray area in there, but for the most part there's these questions answer themselves Um, absolutely And yeah for solo players like me sometimes You've got to talk people Yeah, I uh, yeah, I made a I might have got docked at adepticon Or for it whether it was warranted or not. That's fine. It's all good And yeah, so that's that favorite opponents So you vents if you're a rock star and give everybody their best games of their life Five games. You're still just getting five points, man. Sorry. Cool. You're not getting you're not getting five I am no one's favorite opponent. I don't know that nobody votes for me. It's fine I don't think I'm a very good person to play against. I'm not sure why but I just I don't think I am That's true. We need I might have to graduate at NashCon so we can actually finally get a game in Yeah, indeed All right, absolutely. Let's do it. Uh, let's see So that's that so again, it's only five points. There kind of be a point. I think you've got it there in the corner Yeah, so we'll come into that as the summary portion of this, right? So mission and so battle this we're now into the battle portion very traditional 2015 1050 for the mission That's 100 points available max 20 per game strategy So I've separated out The battle tactics and grad strategy to give them a points association for each of them But everybody does this again. It's another topic where there's differences of opinion about it. Is it the right thing to do? Is it not? Uh Talked about the west coast show that we did. I know garith with his pack He not only basically does this maybe the points are a little bit different But he also has points for denying your opponent battle tactics and grand strategies You can get and he uses it. I believe as a differentiator Smile about I just I was laughing at anthony who said you were my favorite. You're my favorite too anthony Nice And yeah, so Vince, I know you're not the biggest fan of this We've had some discussion about is this a good idea or not to give you a little bit more context about it. I mean I'm seeing this as Another way to create differentiation now whether this is the best way to do it I'm not sure that it is But it's a way to do it. We're going to try it out. I don't hate it I think there are other events that are doing it and I've been doing it and it seems to be getting good results That tribe. Do you have anything else to say about this approach to We're doing battle points I think, you know, it's it encourages The players to also keep track of what they did besides. Oh, yeah, I win or that And and to give something to play for I mean like at least in my mind when I think about like just secondaries in general I I like the idea of Continuing to play the game because we we need people to play games to completion and a was 3.0 With a lot of these scoring systems that are out there. I mean, that's generally true The vast majority of packs that I've seen that are being developed. However, you know, whatever the details are And yeah, this this encourages that I think, you know, you want to try to get all your battle tactics that you can You want to try to get that grand strategy as opposed to just like, oh crap. This game's over in round two I'm going to pack it up and and concede at this point Yeah, no, it's There's obviously some good and bad to all these choices, right and you know, that's like Every it's fine. It's about shaping the tournament you want I don't I think the goal is to steer away from anything that's like overwhelmingly negative, which I don't think that's the case here Um, and yes, as you said basically 75 of the points is shaped by the battle plus army list and 25 of the points are shaped by the hobby And you know, so like because that there's very small differentiators there for like real real super serious stuff, right like in this right Yeah, that kind of mostly battle doing a lot of work there The battle is doing the best majority work. Yeah, like my expectation is that most players Uh, regularly wrongly. I mean, there could be some critica within this We're going to get Most that like the vast majority of those hobby points, they're gonna most people are going to get them most people are going to get Uh, you know max out on sports each game most people are going to get 25 out of 30 On the painting they'll be so the main differentiator in my mind It comes from the plus five on favorite opponent and the plus five On the extra effort applied with the parade ready and that's a pretty small scope in terms of the differentiation So that's kind of one way that yeah that we've been thinking because we we didn't want the hobby side to have Too much undo influence particularly on the best all around in terms of all those debates, but yeah Okay, very nice. All right So then let's talk about your battle plans Uh, Travis or Tyler. I don't care. Whichever one of you wants to take this Obviously, it's kind of a an interesting situation here with battle plans Uh, so so what do we got Travis? Why don't you why don't you take us through some thoughts? No, jeez. I don't have to pull it up if we're going in the order. Uh, no, no, we're not not the order They're happening Just that so we obviously have I'll set the stage for you here Forcing the hand focal points in a game of heroes. I don't recognize those from the ghp, but where could they be from? Uh, and then obviously savage gains and first blood both of which are from the the ghp And these these are these are the revealed battle plans, but players don't know what order they're going to be in Okay, yeah So forcing the hand focal points game of heroes were the battle plans that Tyler and I developed using war kota bouncing ideas off each other Trying different things out seeing how it looked for I don't know what another six months Something like that This month's which is why we didn't get further on the on the train and all of our painters wanted to kill me By the end of it. Yeah, that's we got a little distracted So, you know, we these are the three, uh battle plans that, uh I think we're the most favored out of war kota We kind of did a a vote from people that Played it who had helped us test it who had, you know Been through the ruffs of it and the the goods of it. Uh, and I think these three On the the top three positions for war kota um Yeah I mean, I will say I have played the heck out of a game of heroes. Just so everybody like Like real talk here That has become a very regular staple at my uh table at my weekend games And I love that scenario so much. I I just I absolutely adore it Um, can we get more of this box to box corner to corner deployment? It's such a good deployment Um, by the way, focal points here the extra box you've got there is also great I don't know if you saw tyler, but they they stole the extra the extra box deployment in the uh thondia battle pack It did. Yeah, I was watching your guys show and I saw that. Yeah, they went the other direction with it They're doing it the long l instead of the short l but um, but anyways, I think we tried both ways. Yeah, yeah, sure And I yeah, I mean just like I've I've played all of the war kota quite a bit and just really enjoyed the living heck out of it So I'm excited to see it being such a major part of the tournament And I think your other two that you've picked are are two good ones. Um, you know that that I enjoy So I I don't see a problem there You know first blood is it is it's pretty stock. It's pretty standard. It's pretty solid You got to have you know, shan said he liked that. There's only one three in the middle battle plan I think it is important that you've got one three in the middle battle plan there have one Yeah, it was this or tectonic interference. Yeah, and I think this is the much better one I agree too much of that is very bad It sort of incentivizes a certain kind certain kind of play But you got to have one three in the middle because that's also an important sort of aspect of being able to Manifest your army strategy on the table. So yeah I'd be curious people's perspectives, you know, what to would you guys have chosen Um, in the in the chats or or events you yeah, I mean, you know, savage gains is like almost there and then they ruined it with the f aq It's still a fun scenario. It's not it's not bad under any circumstance. I guess ruined it is too strong ruined Um, that's probably too strong. Uh, no, I think that in in my mind the I mean There's a there's several different ones you could you could pick Um power struggle I think is okay Uh, maybe feral foray like feral foray would have been an interesting additional pick just because then you would have had two Um six six. Yeah two six times, you know items. I don't know if that's over waiting that or not, but I think it's You know in the current meta that we exist and it's kind of nice the six ones pull armies apart and it's hard to hit them All evenly and they can they can let more mobile weaker armies that can that can do the board control spread out strategy be stronger I'm not sure we need to make shawn's leech in the first prince list even better Uh, but But you know, I I I tend to really like feral foray. I think it's just a a really really really well designed Uh scenario that just like has a lot of great back and forth tactics in it Um, but savage gains isn't bad. Not at all. It's a perfectly perfectly valid pick Traveling your hero put you on the spot. What would have been your alternative to savage gains as the Our third pick if we had not done savage gains on the spot, tyler It would be the relocation or maybe you're going to say that It's never happening get over it. Let's move on For me, it's power struggle Feel like I think power struggle would have been in my third slot here I think that's a really Interesting we're saying interesting a pretty compelling mission played it at been playing it a fair amount lately and feel like I undervalued I mean, it was on our list. I think in that original show with dan I believe it was on the the the top five events that we did. Yeah back. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's in our list. Yeah Yeah, so yeah, I've just grown to appreciate that battle plan more like the other one that's on the list is Uh is obviously device like I could have seen the vice as well So definitely. Yep. Vice doesn't have very many friends around springfield. Well, the problem with the vice You have to have like a good table setup for it Right. Um, because you have to have space on the like you have to be able to move all the way around the table If you've got if you got a table setup and and then the vice is like a non-starter right, so Okay, but if you've got the space in between tables, I quite like the vice I just I find it to be interesting the collapsing and the movement it causes All right, let's talk about a defining feature of this. You have a different take on the two-list format Obviously, this is a nash con staple, but theirs is differently implemented So take us through your particular version of the two-list format Play yeah, shout out, uh, Dave We both love uh, tribe. You're gonna get to nash con this year Vince Tom and I we absolutely love the the two-list format. It's been a hit there OGAOS had the sideboard format that for some reason I don't quite understand it and has kind of disappeared from the scene vince for a number of years now I don't know of any events that are doing like a true sideboard format. That's kind of odd Uh, so yeah, this was our take on it. We're trying it out Uh players have the option to bring two-list Same as nash con you well nash con requires you to play Both lists at least once so that's immediately one differentiation. You do not have to play both lists Uh second part this is the same as nash con both lists must be from the same allegiance So Vince you bring slanesh. You gotta hang out in slanesh for both lists. Shade forward. Yep This is the the key thing both lists must share At least 1600 points of war scrolls actual war scroll points Yep, so This was a little challenging for some folks to wrap their head around It was kind of challenging for me initially to wrap my head around. It's it's new. It's different It takes a little bit to get used to it like Finally you start with your core template, right? You figure out your core of at least 1600 points and then you go from there The key thing is that within that your unit sizes and weapon options can be different So Vince you could have You love list bar bar chairs obviously so you could have a unit of 20 big fan You could have 22 in one list and you could have 11 in another list The 11 that you have Will count for both of your lists, right? Sure because you can have unit sizes be different So that's kind of the idea there Weapon options can be different. So if you're running protectors, you could have all glaives in one list You could have four star souls in another list Quickly legal unit counts is the same across both lists And then finally everything else can be different sub-faction command trades And strategies on down the line everything can be different at that point And then finally sons of bayon mats We this was kind of a last-minute addition that we made because we had three sons of bayonet players Yeah, like we want to give them a little bit of love after they got uh kicked around with the hunt Oh, yeah, kind of for an obvious reason the key thing here is you're not swapping out gatebreakers You're swapping out your ally your war stomper or your krakenators Yeah, sure I mean it had to be 1500 points because everything in that army is 500 points basically it's just it's just what You have four units. They're all 500 points effectively Just which way are you combining the four of them? That's that's more or less the story of playing that army Um, so yeah makes sense Okay, great Trav, what are your thoughts on what's your perspective on this on the two this format after can we go through everything here? I think it's been a a good experiment I know it it was a little bit more challenging for us to read through all the lists and make sure that You know, they they followed the rules But uh, I think I think it would be a an interesting thing for the players because you know, it does give you a choice like uh, I think Tyler Baker, I think he did one list that was a multi drop legion in the first prince And then he did one that was like a one drop or two drops. Yes Oh It gives you a good flex, you know to deal with different uh opponents and that kind of thing Now, how are you doing your when you choose your list? Do you walk up to the table present both lists to the opponent the opponent does the same for you? After you both understood the two lists that people have at their at their disposal You then hand back and go, okay. I'm using this one You both put it kind of put them down make a choice and then reveal that sort of thing Blinks first Yeah, awesome very standard. Yeah. Love it. I'm sure. Well. Yeah, totally. I'm sure we'll get into more of the nuances with this but there's uh I think there's a lot of Compelling depth and you know nuance to this format And what it what it can mean and how it can play out, you know a lot of army We have a not necessarily all I mean there's going to be differentiation in terms of Certain factions can get more value out of this than other factions, right? Certain factions have more models in their range have more Variants in their sub factions to adapt like storm cast is a great example You can have one storm cast list with guard of steel soul and hallowed knights Boom, you've got your five up ward orientation And then you could do something completely different with your hero setup A different sub faction of storm cast while your core template your units Your your mean potatoes is the same across both lists Not everybody can do that with you know as much value, but Yeah, I think Anyway, we'll get into it more as we get into the list, but yeah, I'm really excited to see how it goes in stress then Fantastic. All right. Oops Let's talk a little about terrain because we've got some terrain stuff going on here There's a lot going on with with around terrain. So I want I want to we're going to do a little subsection here around terrain so okay Our our journey through the terrain story begins With the terrain co-op Which is a collective effort to help further the use of quality terrain in age sigmar so, um, obviously the end of this road is we're all going to make tyler paint stuff, but You want to you want to talk about this tyler the the terrain co-op and its current plan? Yeah, man, we've talked about a little bit on the show And so it has three initial goals. It's laid out here. I mean like Let me start from the top like the the why of this, right? I mean, we there's a lot of events that are happening The midwest has a lot of events each coast a lot of events. Tom mentioned on the west coast They sort of already have something like this a terrain co-op where they're sharing a lot of terrain Which is amazing and so cool to hear and you know So the idea is why don't we get together and start creating basically infrastructure that we can share across many events And make sure that infrastructure is high quality Yeah, because the number one barrier of entry Of getting new tos in the game running tournaments is the amount of terrain you need right it's Time and cost in a massive way to be able to have enough terrain That isn't just like styrofoam ls or something nonsensical for tables Right, um, it really really really is tough, you know, you want to run even like a 40 person tournament That means you need 20 tables of terrain. That's not a small amount of stuff to do in any shape or form So the idea here to have You know sort of a co-op where you can get all these themed terrain tables, right now in this case We're talking about sort of a midwest hub Because you've got the the first hub here is based out of missouri and supplies the midwest But you know, you can just like ship people effectively these tables. Hey, I need to run a tournament I need this many tables of terrain. Boom. You've got beautiful high quality themed tables They can roll out to those events that that the to can can get their hands on um And allows them to run events that they otherwise not might not be able to run All right play And so that's just fantastic Like I absolutely love the idea and because it's it's kind of depressing when you go to a tournament and the terrain just Isn't there but but but at the same time I don't blame the too Right because it's just really hard and really expensive and really time consuming It's just you're just like, oh, that's a shame right This helps counteract that and hopefully it also helps more toos get in the game Because I have to imagine that this is a major thing that's stopping a lot of people who might otherwise want to run cool events from running cool events Um So very well, and you've got a big mix of different terrain here from a lot of different suppliers You know 3d prints and and all sorts of dark fantastic mills and and you know Just a great mix of stuff on these tables as we'll look at a couple of them here in a moment So on on this photo just for context So I just pulled a few photos of gray tables that are out there Top left the ogre mall tribes. That's from printable scenery Bottom right also printable scenery. I'm forgetting the gentleman's name at printable scenery. He did those of course there in the middle One and only season of war Take a drink top right. We've got one of the uh, I'm forgetting the name It was this shrine campaign incredible Kickstarter campaign By the guys whose name I'll try to remember painted level studio I'll try to remember studio levels something like that And then finally we do have that table the game at.eu probably a lot of people have seen that that's one of the the badlands Terrain sets from game at.eu just an incredible set and everybody knows you need pebbles Around your terrain. We all know that we're all bought into it So, yeah We only have one of those tables And obviously the end the end of this road is to actually have A website that people can go to obviously it's not up yet But it will be obviously you have to get all this together Um, because you're still you're still receiving terrain as we mentioned earlier in the show More boxes are incoming. We're going to talk about the challenge here in a moment. Uh, but you're you're you're on your way And you know to have this Website where people can look at the tables share resources make requests so on and so forth. So totally And yeah, some examples. So here's three of the tables that will be a vault wars. Oops. Sorry I got I'm going to start with the sort of uh, tomb kings kind of like a themed table. So that's the first one up That's excellent. Yeah Cute the one and only bricewick line the man Who has been doing way too much work for us over the last six months Yeah, this was one of his tables. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you to pokastro. He provided the terrain for this one I turned out really well The next one is from urban mats. This was a sponsor table And I love this train set like it is so nice in person These houses just the quality is is fantastic. I'm not getting paid anything to say that It's It's just great terrain the Next and last one is the silver net table got to have that in here again. I mentioned earlier scott's roll Did the painting for this? at the knee did the printing And my mom did all the the flocking there Tyler thanks Tyler's mom I can say credit for one piece But I think I think it's beautiful. I love how that one turned out Yeah, it's really gorgeous. Yeah, you're my my uh My compliments to your mom for doing a lot of good work there Uh, so that's awesome. There's there's just three examples of some of the tables and the kind of stuff that you're building twirt, right? where you can You know, and the idea is to have these tables that then here's the silver net table You can pack it up and send it to someone they can use it in their event, right? So that's great. I've seen multiple people ask Is there uh Is there a way that they can get involved? Why yes, there is Absolutely, so there's part of there's a fun challenge that's part of this if you're a longtime fan of the show You know that tyler doesn't paint for reasons none of us can fathom or understand like at all At all there's no reason he could easily be painting He has this completely ridiculous fear of it for no no purpose and so We for tyler has agreed Basically for each each finished terrain table i.e. Well printed well painted tyler will paint one minimum sized unit So 32 tables equals 32 units that he has to paint Um, and tyler people can just get in touch with you Um, if they want to donate terrain uh to this this project So for the community to use obviously this isn't all going to tyler tyler is just going to make this available to everybody um, so Sure, can you give your email address that they could shoot an email to or can I give my email address? Can you give me probably an email here? Uh, that's rather than have you say it out I'll put it in the show notes as well as your twitter so people can reach out to you there Yes, cool. Perfect. But yeah Just reach out to me. Uh, i'm on the hook. I feel like this should be the sad benathlect with him smoking outside image That's on the other side of doing all 32 units. It's not a small number of units, so It's pretty good. Yeah What are we already signed up for here tyler? How deep into this are you already? We're including the sponsored as well. We had a discussion about that and it's definitely part of it So I think the official count is 10 out of the 32. Okay. Okay, so we're good progress. Good progress You're on the hook for 10 units, which could be a whole army in some cases depending on what we're depending on the army We're talking about At least two suns armies Absolutely. Yeah, yeah two different suns armies. Yeah Tyler see the problem with suns is tyler's gonna try to cheat and call each man crusher its own unit because it could be used individually Right. Yeah, and they factored you can even arcane tome and take a little spell That's all Not the here it done that at the big I'm talking about the little boys. You're going to claim each little boy as a unit, but They're taking us a mob homie in threes. So that's what that is No, but yeah, uh gonna touch everybody. Let's let's make this happen I'm so jazzed about this project. We're gonna have prizes and recognition. I'm gonna get sponsors on board Uh, you know just do some amazing things for people who are stepping up and and being a part of this Except with the terrain website, we're going to put all this online Have guides for how to create these tables do as much that as possible You know painting that was done get details on how 3d printing was done get get polkastro on the hook for You know sharing some of his dark arts with the community about how he does what he does just yeah, there's a whole lot to this We're also going to showcase different artists. Uh, also, you know Give links to where if you wanted to build this table, this is the pieces that kind of thing Awesome. It's so late. It's fantastic. I steal files. It's such a great great great, uh Uh option so I'm just for for all these toos for people to gain you know for people to like Know where to go get this terrain to see what it looks like, but they could have with their tables just to be aspirational and It's fantastic. So Yeah, good. So how many how many units my painting events How many units are you painting? What do you mean? How many how many tables you doing? Oh, how many tables am I doing? I got a lot of terrain. I don't know. It's fine. I could think about it. We'll see might be fine How how many tables would you like to donate sir? Yeah, exactly? Yeah I'll have to think about it. I'll see what I see when I can I got a very busy summer here Uh, all right Okay So good stuff And then let's talk a little bit about the terrain rules the thumb and the terrain keywords because you are also using this this information here as well So the your terrain rules the thumb are if parts of a terrain feature are four inches to taller Only those parts are considered impassable if a terrain feature has the impassable keyword All of the parts are considered impassable Basically meaning you can't land on things and be like, oh, this is here. I'm up on this little spire And if you if you assign something impassable, it's just impassable Defensible is garrisoned like garrisoned, you know like that So that's like all the buildings and stuff like that or or whatever would make sense impassable means impassable this thing that we actually have on some aos war scrolls, but are not part of the core rules for Really no perceptible reason whatsoever. Anthony. I need no additional boxes of terrain. I could seriously do it Just out of the stuff I have I have way too much extra terrain pieces sitting around um And I it's great to integrate that in there Uh, and then obscuring which is visibility between two models is blocked of a straight line Uh, one millimeter wide drawn between the closest points of the two models passes across or over obscuring terrain Then obviously that can't block out uh models with the wounds characteristic of ten or more In other words line of sight blocking terrain And the nice part is this will all be labeled. I believe the next slide actually has a little picture of that There we go. So we've got our little got our little pictures here of defensible and passable obscuring impassable plus obscuring or defensible plus obscuring Absolutely. Yep. Got these. Thanks to uh, you'll uh, laser smith a friend brendan I created all these. We got the image of the little widget as well. We're doing the widget as well in there Very we're very proud of that little widget. Yeah, everybody is attending is going to get that and yeah, we wanted uh, the thought of raising the Raising it up a little bit so that you could get it in amongst the models a little bit better Sure, and but still maintain the the three inches On the side there. So yeah fully folks will like that But yeah, and i'm excited People like tyler who like to do max effort All the time max effort precise measurement try to get into it. That's sylvanas belt I need that exact precision. Absolutely. All right Wonderful guys very excited Uh excited to watch the terrain project continue to build and excited for what that's gonna Portent and then, you know, I hope to see that eventually we get into a place where we can build expand that beyond just the midwest But into to other regions as well So it's going to be a journey because getting that many tables of high quality terrain is not a small Uh task, but I think it's going to be very fruitful in the end once completed. So yeah, awesome All right Uh boom boom lists All right folks here we go. It's time We're not going to look at every list because I don't want to be here until the end of time All of all worst players watching I sent vents. I think 30 lists somewhere around 30 Between you and travis you just had like all the lists and I was like we ain't doing that Then then vinstex stepped in with editorial and was like started cutting Started cutting was my line. I I get to be a lunatic You get to dictate reality. Correct. Something like that. Yes. Very very very apropos Okay So let's talk about some lists. We picked out some of our favorites here of the various types Certainly there were other ones here that were really cool as well So if you're a vault worst player and your list isn't on here, don't feel bad It doesn't mean your list was bad It just means that like there's a lot of lists and I can't cover all of them But if you want a full list review breakdown Doug two plus tough who was who he was. I don't know if he still is but wasn't in the chat Uh, did a whole breakdown on his channel, uh, of a did a list review show so you can go check that out So there you go. He he he already did the hard lifting or the hard work So this is just us coming in with with cleanup right here. But Okay Before we get into the specific list, let's talk a little about army makeup So you did a little breakdown of The various allegiances here As well as our our drop count Of the number of lists uh, so Now obviously I should state when the with the allegiance there Total it totals out to 40 because remember your two lists have to share an allegiance But with the drop count it totals out to 80 because obviously there are two different Lists everybody could have potentially had And they don't all square like that's to say like they could have different drops or whatever. Okay, so yeah Yeah, kind of kind of forged it. Thanks to paul right by the way for putting this together for us Paul's gonna make David. We had him on the show a while back. I think last year Uh, yeah, so thank you paul for putting this together for us Uh things to stand out to me One lumineuth and one seraphon list boy. Oh boy. Look at that Uh, so okay cool Cool I'm glad to see that. That's a nice. That's a nice turn of events I would not have expected a three to one ratio of charadron overlords against seraphon. That is not We stole all the ko tournament players. Yeah, the united states. They're all here There's literally one that went to adepticon and it was a former springfield missouri player Yeah, he's not part of our crew anymore. Yeah, he was the only one at adepticon out of like 200 people There you go. There is there is one amendment to this list So we had a last minute drop. Uh, it was one of the daughters of kane And so we need to So just be one doc and there'll be one more sons of bayonet. So we got three sons coming So three sons Uh, I and that that that will slightly shift the balance, but I do do enjoy it's a shame I enjoy how even the balance is here with like 20 order 10 chaos and then five death and destruction That'll move that around a little bit, but boy does that does that sort of evenness make my brain happy Um, it's very funny that still order is twice as popular as chaos And chaos is twice as popular as either death or destruction. So Really says a lot Everything's in order vince as the universe should be Yeah, I again Whatever the whatever the story or narrative is in the mortal realms. I don't believe it The ludonarrative dissonance here is strong Uh, because order has all these other factions on the run. Let me just say that We'll see how long that that dominance continues Okay, we we had a lot of you know, I can't remember what the percentage was exactly but Well over a majority of strong majority of the factions in the game are being covered Yeah by 40 players, which was pretty pretty damn cool and You know in terms of like my overall sense of the field is that It's midwest friendly. Yeah, like this is not aos worlds that we're looking at here Which I mean aos world should be absolutely filthy You're there to take on the championship. It was interesting to see how I'm curious trav we haven't talked about this, you know, your your view kind of overall in terms of just let's say the Teeth or how many fangs we have, you know, like the length of the fangs In terms of this tournament. I didn't think it was that scary as a field. We got a few though There are a few. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think you know, there's there's the all the all the Yeah, I wanted wanted posters for the shooting armies seem to be here Yeah, there's a two by six long strikes making an appearance Play we got the I know some some nasty storm cast Uh, I uh, you know, there was uh, but still it on Yeah Uh, the you know, there's some of those identha less. I think you get three identha less here's the identha was idk List or uh, there's some there's some strong Uh idk running around in there. Uh, so yeah, some good some good players with with the two. Yeah Yeah, so We'll see I love that we have, uh, one 14 drop list and one 13 drop list Pretty pretty strong there. Uh, we've definitely grouped around the one through four area Yeah, as one would expect Uh, but not as strong into the one drop as I would have thought frankly Mm-hmm. I would have expected one drop would have won out, but no in fact it's in third place More people wait for the two drop Yeah Does uh, rob and company have data on drop count as part of t-stat t-sports stats or not? I think so Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have to look into that. Yeah, it'd be interesting to look at Yeah, indeed So, um, good stuff Good spread. There are some notable missing no zinch Uh, no obr And as as uh, pinfold dwarf just pointed out no cities Cities is the really strange one. Yeah. Yeah, three fire slayers players No cities That's that's a wild field right there. Okay. No, no Um, yes, there you go Uh, travis just said Uh, missing cos obr gets beasts of chaos disciples of zinch Uh, s and slaves to darkness. Okay We Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, we had uh slaves. Yeah, unfortunately I had to drop but yeah Definitely no slaves no beast and no cities. They that really stands up. I wouldn't say I've been missing it bob. Yeah Indeed as far as each goes. Um Uh, okay, uh, and tom said he is both the 13 and 14 drop list That's amazing. Yes, uh, we're we're gonna of course tom's list will be in our our picks here Okay, you're scripted list tom. That's uh, yeah tom your lists are too damn long my friends like you have Jesus they don't fit on a single page very well Let's take a look at some lists. We're gonna start out with the grudge match Of the century brendan melnick the lord of death He's abandoned death. He's run straight into the the welcome arms of life I don't know that he could have gone farther the other direction thematically Uh, so, you know, truly a death player through and through but now he's he's found the light He's found his lord and savior a laurel and he is bringing sylvaneth We're not going to go through these beat by beat But of course he's running sort of a war song revenant. Good mix list Um got some kernaugh. I noticed he had three great swords in there. That must make you very happy Hey Yep Still amazing Uh, you know, he's got some dryads the ancient kind of what we would expect run in a heavy endless spell list for for uh For his both lists there with cogs spell portal and spiteswarm hive clearly hoping to put a little war song toots through that uh through that Spell portal while still being able to threaten you with uh the six hot scythe's coming in and off the spiteswarm uh, yeah, I mean This had to make you happy to see Absolutely. This is I mean the this is the kind of list that you know, I want more of than that Going to events. This is a variety pack list. This is when games workshop sees this kind of list They should be absolutely thrilled. We've got one two three four five six seven We've got eight different war scrolls in this list, man And I think they're kind of like that sweet spot is right around at least six I think like seven war scrolls all as equals a nice sweet spot for things I mean, we can't leave behind the fact that in his second list He has a tree lord Not a tree lord ancient not a spirit of durr through a tree lord the regular lord tree lord in both lists actually Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. Yes. He isn't both Yeah, sorry uh A durr through is the swap that he did in his second list. He wanted some dps So, I mean, I don't know why he thought durr through is going to be the answer But apparently durr through has been overperforming for brendan I mean, it's things are perfectly set up vents for this weekend I just can't wait to hear stories about durr through make an appearance game one And all all attacks Absolutely the tree is just getting burned down by dug I'm just gonna I'm absolutely team dug Uh, well, we'll see because that takes us right to Our second less dug two plus tough Coming in hot with bone splitters Running a little ice bone Uh, he's got a weird knob He's got two savage big bosses. He's got a profit Uh He's got a savage big boss and a savage big boss. So four four Four savage big bosses rocking around in there all fighting one after the other Uh, and and then he's got he's got pig boys. You got some pig boys. You got 20 pig boys Uh, just the regular savage. It's not the maniacs Got some big staffers and then Oh, no, it's 10 more more boys, but these are the maniacs So rocking 30 pigs Total 10 of which are the maniacs and of course his rogue idol. Did you see his special rogue idol that he brought? Yeah That's great Can we also talk about dug going hard in the paint going double battle reg That's right Uh going for the low drops with the big wounds Uh in this showdown by the way Uh, brennan's list one is one drop and his other one is nine drops So dug right in the middle if brennan chooses list one He'll he'll beat him out if he chooses list two then dug gets the choice. What will he select? Uh, it's not going to be a bunch of questions. Doug's really bringing one list So that does give brennan a slight advantage Uh to to sort of decide the early tempo of the game So a lot of meat to chew through if he goes with this one drop that one drop I mean, it can do some damage, but it's not Not as much potential damage as is at a list, but again, it's dark So who who the heck knows both of these are potential damage potential damage not realized Yes, vinces concept here, uh damage actual damage potential Actual damage potential. Yes, correct EP, baby We'll do a show on that or we'll do a show on the unrecognized sort of foundational elements Like I want to do a show sometime in the future just about like damage Just damage and thing because everybody's perception right now is that damage is very high When it's actually like or the highest it's ever been when it's not it's not at all It's not even close. It's not even the ballpark of the highest it's ever been It's like sort of people's perception of crime if you ask people crime is always going up even when it's going down So, um, I want to talk about but why people feel that way Anywho, that's Are just to say that these are underdog And hard mode. Yeah, but they qualified both very nice. There you go. Love it. Uh, so this is gonna be Doug said he's gonna need every advantage he can get calling him out hard I mean, it is a lot of pig meat on the table So it will be very interesting to see how this match goes down Now they've grudged each other. So are they the are they the round one showdown? Are they playing each other round one? Game one. Absolutely. Love it Love it And ball wars players don't have a grudge and let me know you still got time. We need more grudges Dude, I I have a suggestion make a video. There you go Oh I have a suspicion of what your your game one is going to be out of your five scenarios And uh, and and that'll make for interesting times with these two lists Meeting on the field of battle. So Uh, pinfield or the rogue idol is a Thing that's still around He is a he originally came out of the sort of monster sarkana Yeah, so he's it was like a forge where he is still I guess a forge rolled sculpt but he migrated into the the regular book And um Yeah, it's a model you should never buy. I don't want to like, you know, it just is what it is because um Because it's not worth it to buy it. I guess is what I would say It's like your own at home depot for about five dollars Right, you can just cut him out of foam like he's And you're good to go Yeah, you just glue together tiny pieces of foam and you get to the same place Um dug as a custom one in a in a bore give it because you know the bore thing. So there you go All right, google if anybody doesn't know google uh the rock The rock and rogue idol or dwayne the rock johnson rogue idol and you'll you'll find what you're looking for as an alternative There you go. Okay Jacob burleson Had to call I had to bring this list in run in some karadrun overlords Uh, which I was excited to see uh, so to barrick ziflin lists Uh, or barak zilfin. I guess is the better way to pronounce that that's probably the correct way Uh, but I liked this I I I chose this one because I just liked the various elements of it Uh, you know, I liked the hero suite. I liked the 12 andren rigors Uh, I thought that was super fun and then still got a you know a gun hauler and uh an iron clad in there Pack in the old warp lightning vector warp lightning vortex as a spell in a bottle The only time you ever see that thing Can't leave home without it. Nope the chaos stole all of them There are no more left to scaven scaven lost access to this spell chaos swooped in stole all the warp lightning vortex This isn't then bounced Nobody misread a contract Exactly they missed the footnote. That was like also we get all your warp lightning vortexes. So Uh, four and five drops on this one, but I liked this a lot. Uh, I thought it was was uh, it was very fun. So Either you guys have any fun takes on this one Well, well first question should ko be underdog or not. I I struggle with ko the most out of any faction in the game right now We're all the bad guys It's tough Go ahead Travis. I'm sorry. What do you think they used to be the bad guys, but so did slanash Slash did get underdog Yeah It I mean ko I believe by the win rate right now is out of the danger zone, but just such Such yeah, I think they are it with you know within the fat middle But they're at the the lower lower side of that So, you know, I mean my feeling of it is it's hard for an all shooting army to ever be completely terrible You know, especially even though it's a target rich environment But yeah, I mean it's tough. It's tough. They're one of those borderline forces. So I get it But I liked it a lot. I thought it was a super cool army super cool take I like his uh grand strategy vendetta. That's not one you see selected too much He's he's gunning for your general. He's got all the shooting. He's gonna train all the guns All guns weapons weapons free going after generals Or sorry all stations weapons free Okay, there you go, uh, yeah cool stuff Uh, james matthews With a slanash list Underdog, so yeah, this was underdog not hard mode. I already told that story. So yeah Yeah, I mean taking away vents. I mean obviously we're still in lurid haze invaders, which as as his main list That's generally the only way to play this army right now I do appreciate that he went for scarlet cavalcade god seekers in the awfulest like that's a heck of a choice Um, obviously he's doing that for the secret chariot Battle line because that's what you get out of god seekers um You know, so I mean you've got a lot of things that we would expect to see here like sig vault Uh and bellicor bellicor Never leave home without him. Basically. He might as well have just joined up into slanash at this point um and you know a lot of bliss barb archers in his main list and a A cygore there is a cygore in this list If you thought the tree lord was weird There is a cygore in this list and that's in list one in list two He has razor gores folks razor gores. Okay. These are two units that I don't I don't think I've actually seen a table Let alone a tournament table in years Like the model will probably just be confused because it doesn't know what it's doing It's been so long since it's been off the shelf uh So, yeah, I mean Very interesting takes obviously here. I I had to pick it. I love that you you get through his heroes And you're like, okay, let's go to units and you're like This is it. This is the units Thousand points Somehow this is uh I mean james is a good player. The man knows what he's doing. He's part of the oklahoma crew So, yeah, I wanted to add him He's got uh, you know, he's got both one drops too I did I bet he's got a plan for that cygore Despite all the disrespect we're throwing his way I mean the the list with the razor gore I would point out has 87 wounds Like I want to know what this list does if it runs up against dug And the and the and the screaming bore boys Where where dug has almost almost double his wounds Okay and Now he out drops him. You better hope that's enough. I mean, that's it Because that's going to be the beginning and end of that I'll be at any hill or just running away. Yeah, just fleeing from these these lunatic bores just all over the table um Yeah, so I mean just very cool. Obviously. I uh, I always appreciate seeing slanesh I I I hope james. I hope james brings it home. I want to see him. I want to see him do it I want to see him prove himself in the in the hall of other great slanesh players like bill susan And uh and take the take it home Okay, so Uh, this guy this guy this uh tome leon's I guess is his name. I'm not sure how to pronounce it Uh, now this is tome's list. We had to mention our buddy tome Who's running night haunt list the last the last roll of night haunt before The new book obviously because this will still be the the old toe Um, so still rolling with the old rules Uh, list one with dread blade the guardian of souls two of them the Cruel gas cruciator Reich nor the grim hailer hauler hailer whatever and a spirit of torment and then 30 chain rasps 20 chain rasps 10 chain rasps all the chain rasps Uh, and then some chain gas to back it up heritons banshees and more chain guests As well as tom's favorite I have no doubt that will continue into the new book the black coach Uh 127 or 133 wounds over two lists as as as mentioned either 14 or 13 drops Yeah, um, yes, I guess that's true tom said a pretty partially old tome He has to use the new scrolls. Yes, because the as soon as the box was published. It did update the scrolls. Yes, that's correct So mostly old Uh, but yeah, what do you guys think about this tyler? What do you think about the chances running running? pseudo basically old night haunt ah, I mean knows what he's doing obviously with his army and i've generally for a long while thought that it's I mean about every army in this game, you know, you get good players skill can you can do well with good players And night haunt is absolutely one of those armies He has changes tom if you have any thoughts you want to share about why you made the changes That you did without giving too much away. I would be interested in hearing So he's got a pack of 30 the 20 the 10 in one list and he's got two packs of 30 and then five hex rates in the other list so I mean, yeah, maybe just the opportunity to keep those units a little more alive Uh, he's got a couple of changes with the other units. He's sharing the chain gas. He's sharing the herodens He took out the mermorn banshees Yeah, I mean the banshees have no purpose if there's not if you're if you're not really going up against somebody who's using the spells Right that they can eat Yeah, so that's probably that right there and then yeah, hex rates a mobile unit given in a nice utility piece I know he's a huge fan of the hex rates And he's ran a lot of them in the past Of yeah, like I have a I think this is definitely one of those lists that will do well Piloted well and tom's definitely capable of that. So Yeah, man, let's let's see a 4-1 tom or 5-0 man. Let's do it. He is of course underdog and hard mode Yeah, a lot of mobility here. Um, you got to remember the dread blade and and you know whipping people around Um, you got to you got to also watch out for a little little shady stuff Like, uh, like snuff and candles You know ol reik nor is going to be snuff and candles to pick people out things like that There's a lot of little little tricks going on here And I would just say don't sleep on what chainrass hordes actually do Um chainrass hordes are incredibly scary, especially when backed up by Spirit torments and chain gas and all that stuff in there. Um in reik nor is condemned. They just go ham on people through weight of dice So and and they're very very very hard to actually lift Um, so especially if the gas is around The best part is you can ask your opponent, uh, what's the rent? I don't care Favorite part of bellicor Yeah Oh, I've played a list like this early on in 3.0. And yeah, uh, like two bricks of 30 chainrass A surprising amount of mortal wounds can be done by these kinds of lists I also noticed he's got the terminexus Uh, events were huge fans of that Traveled out. I don't know if you have you looked at that worse scroll the enlist about the terminexus It's it's pretty tasty. Anyways, it's got a number of ways Yeah, number of ways to do a surprising number of mortal wounds out of that list and then on top of the weight of dice that it can do Uh, pretty good wound counts great mobility. Just yeah, it's it's an ultimate johnny type list, which obviously tom loves so So you can see what it does. Yeah, the new book, uh Goes on pre-order this weekend the tournament is running because the tournament's basically this upcoming weekend So it will not be active obviously at the time. So this will still be under old rules. So Okay Uh Tonya, I know one of the two of you picked this. This is the flesh eater quartz list Who want who who picked this who wants to talk about this one? I I think I'm the one to pick this one. Uh, I I just think it's neat because Normally when you see a flesh eater quartz, it's it's still the old gristle gore, you know a bunch of uh The the big bat guys versus this these noble knights and these serfs that are out, uh, running around trying to win the affections of the lady Indeed Yeah, we've got uh, you know the arch regent. We do have uh Uh, a ghoul king on terror geist and a ghoul king on zombie dragon In the first list and then two crypt gas quartiers Uh, and then as well, we've got some ghouls and a lot of flares A lot of flares two reinforced units of flares in both lists. So a lot of screaming Uh, want to get up there get in combat Uh start screaming at people doing some some good mortal wound damage that kind of thing all of a sudden blisters Blisters blisterskin blisterkin however you say it Um, so very fast very very very fast That play Yeah, that a running theme of all wars is a number of people are playing lists right out of 2017 2018 Bitch fantastic. I love it. Tonya. We would see this all over the place in 2018 events Oh, yeah, you go to national wherever this was. This is what you'd see. I feel like I think shawn I played him in ash con. He was running a fairly similar list. He might correct me if that's wrong But I seem to recall. Yeah, he had now. I think he had some of the other the cryptors and some crypt flares He didn't go all crypt flares, but yeah, he was blisterskin So but yeah, uh, again underdog hard mode all day. She is grudging Dan bears Co-host of cubic shenanigans dan is running. He's not on here, but he is running a negash led night haunt That was another one that we debated. He didn't ask for hard mode. We were debating should this be hard mode or not I personally happened to think that Negash is not all that impressive in night haunt. I think there are people who have other opinions Uh, that's not sure what you think about that, but I mean given toms performance of bruham or I would tend to agree Oh Like that that was about the worst. I think tom did at a tournament and quite some time Uh, what three two two three Yeah, yeah, I don't it was is he was he was I don't know. It wasn't great Yeah, I know he's sure. Yeah, I played negash a few times. I mean without his obr teleport nonsense I mean, he's he's a very honest piece And especially if you don't have umbral spell portal, you know, you can chaff him You can stay away from him. He's pretty slow Yeah, yada, yada, so I yeah, I don't think he's all that particularly that impressive when he's half your army in a night haunt army But anyway, yeah, they're gonna be grudging. So that should be a good one. Nice okay Next up just in newman quite a quite a you know, we saw as we saw but quite a few nergal lists Uh, but uh, you know, hey Thank you. Anthony said he went two two one. Yes, that's right one Uh, so there you go two two seven All right, so anyways just in newman with the nergal list This one I picked there multiple nergal lists but I thought this one was fun because to me this is going to be the proof point on uh, you know, can beast a nergal hack it Uh, because we got horticulus. This is all in befalling host by the way We got horticulus our little our little snail farmer We got slobby. Got a lord of afflictions in list one as a general in the second list It's slobby is the general which that's a bold call Uh, the vendetta guy is really hoping to run into that situation Like That is a dream come true for ko vendetta grand strategy chooser like Just blasting away at that little guy But the lord of afflictions of course with a splithorn helm and overpowering stench very powerful combo Uh, and then good old orgots demons few in list one and blowab in list two love the ability to alternate between the two magoth lords And lots and lots of beasts baby one two three four five six seven eight Beast and nergal and then the two pluscoyle blight lords to back them up and just hide in the middle there Uh, ton of battle line all wrapped up into battle reges for a two drop with 117 or 116 wounds So, uh, love it. Can the beasts get there? Can the flood the flood the table with squidgy You know worm things that are leaving behind icker trails. Can it do it travis? What do you think? What do you think about this? Well, I I think what particularly gives them plus to charge. Is that right? Or let's reroll charges Whatever whatever you did game one that we played. It wasn't that when you cheated. Uh, whatever. Yeah He's an honest mistake But uh, yeah, I think I think with whatever he gives they they can get up there and you know They'll just summon in some more beasts of nergal and just keep it going just keep it going Keep rolling a lot a lot of charging a lot of retreating a lot of mortal wounding on the impact And then the retreat and just all sorts of silliness happening there. Yeah It is one of those interesting things when you've got that many beasts on the table all charging and retreating Just how many mortal wounds you're actually doing when it sort of like aggregates Uh, it's it's pretty wild really right like you get a bunch of those charging in simultaneously All doing their little impact hits and then you know the next turn they're all retreating away If they're still alive, which they're actually like decently difficult piece to remove because of the size they're based It's hard for people to bring a lot of damage to bear on them And you know, I didn't rate beast very highly when we do our show. I think history is largely proving me wrong Uh, and I think that a list like this is a could be could be a really big proof point of it as well Uh, definitely. Yeah, I played against uh beast of nergal spam more than I would like They're they're fascinating. I came in what your phrase was events for these kind of armies We talked about them at the depth con that the meta was Moving in the direction of more of these armies where it's just like a bunch of crap and you don't have any particular Yeah, it's it's the yeah, my my statement was it's the moon night altered panel That's that's random bs go, right? I that's it's just like, you know, just you throw it out there and see what happens I would also say that's partially tom strategy as well so, yeah But yeah, because you like playing stormcast lead damage output You're trying to get as much efficiency as you can out of your damage output Against beast of nergal spam you often feel a target prioritization is difficult You know, you feel like What are you supposed to target? You're gonna You can easily underkill you can easily overkill with these stupid beasts of nergal with the five of their you know All that in their high wounds. They're not you don't want to be shooting them in the first place It's it's just a very weird army to play against particularly for Some of these armies that have been in the meta that are very elite damage oriented So, yeah, I think he's gonna move on to something else after this This is his final test. He's been getting a lot of games in on the dies cast youtube doing pretty well with them Oh, yeah, hopefully hopefully we'll get some good results. I think it's a pretty strong list And then uh, we've got there is a beast of nergal are sold out Yeah, yeah, yeah Um, fortunately you can kind of throw any nonsense onto a base and it's a beast of nergal. So that's fine Any squidgy pile of gross nonsense you just cover it in slime and pretty much there you go. You got it You got it. You nailed it Didn't enjoy instantly you uh iron getsman's counter perspective on beast I don't know if you saw that in that episode that he did a while back Stuart he had he had some Some counter takes along your lines about why he didn't like beast of nergal. I thought that was that was interesting But anyway, yeah, yeah Well, we'll see exactly whom history proves right Uh zano, uh, I picked this is our stormcast list Just because I thought it was fun knights excel to your list With the lord imperitent lord relicter, of course our standard combo there of mirror shield and translocation And although interestingly Not making the lord relic to the general, uh, which was surprising to me. Yeah. Yeah, but but here we are Um, and then annihilators of meteoric grandhammers annihilators of meteoric grandhammers the 10 protectors that I know you love so much Oh, baby tyler and then 10 judicators with skybolt bows Uh, a little little pack of aetherwings Little pack of prosecutors to go in and absorb some unleashed shell or something like that if he needs to or just be a general Mobile piece. I'm a big fan of the of the prosecutors now. I will say he's chosen the wrong unit here My guess is he had the ones with hammers modeled These should obviously be the javelin and shield because those are the better ones, but hey whatever Um, he has the points Uh, and then a storm strike chariot, which I love. I'm a big fan of the storm strike chariot I think one of those in the list is fantastic Uh, big mortal wounds on the charge in hilarious when it when it explodes Uh, when you when it actually dies Um So, yeah, I'm I'm all about it Uh, love the choice of the storm strike chariot really the only thing I would take issue with in this list Is prosecutors with hammers instead of prosecutors with javelins But like I said chances are he just had the three prosecutors that had hammers and was like, well, I'm not I'm not cutting their hands off. So I get that that's totally fair. We all have like a million prosecutors Just celestial hammers because the initial box said Um, but I love it. I mean this this is like truly a shock and awe list Right. Um, those grand hammers are so scary being guided by the imperigent Because they're coming at seven inches. They're almost impossible to box out and they are just going to Wreck whatever they hit son. Like it is that is it Um, they drop they pop Uh, and and then, you know, that's it So and I love I love being backed up by the protectors and the adjudicators as well. Sorry go ahead and missing the cogs I don't believe it. Oh, yeah, it's unnecessary. It's unnecessary. It's a nonsense piece This is the dumbest thing you've said all night Cogs talking about everybody knows eights Are easy as hell to hit as opposed. You don't you speed up time already got sevens with this. What do you what do you need? Oh, we're talking about I'm thinking about the protectors. I like here about the protectors here. Yeah, yeah set Well, that's to actually know You fail sevens all the time You nail eights all the time and you fell nine all the time. That's how that math works out So you move it to six and eights. You're golden. Yeah, you're right to get some cogs in here Uh, and you both took out He took out the birdies and the prosecutors add in a second storm strike chariot Totally man. I played against uh, loran one of our st. Louis crew guys. He's coming down Ron runs all kinds of amazing less. He ran some chariot spam with like three I don't know. I lost count how many night judicators he had that he was shooting me with There's like night judicators and and chariots for days and yeah, it turns out like six chariots. That's the thing That's pretty good. I beat him. But still he So it's fine, but That's that hopefully that's much ego that comes out tonight The I've done terrible at tournaments. I shouldn't be talking smack. I have no grounds to stand on the I love this list It's very similar to what I've been running. Trav, you know Right, like this is basically the same thing same archetype But instead of the the grand hammers the united grand hammers and a period 10. I've got prime time, of course Um, I've got I've got thunder buddies got to go thunder buddies And so that's my three, you know, two by three annihilators version and then 10 protectors five 10 judicators and two by five Libs with kulf raid and thunderball volley. So yeah, very very similar pattern. It's amazing I think he's going to do really well with this This is a great example of an alternative stormcast archetype. I completely agree I just love all the all the threat that this puts out, right? Um, the protectors are threatening and very hard to remove The annihilators are coming in hot and it's very hard to stop them The judicators are back there and just ready to like they could drop they could set up They can do whatever depending on what the mission is and what needs to be done And they're just like they're just present damage with those with those skyball bows, right? And they represent a a good decent number of wounds on decent save much harder to remove than say, you know, an equivalent amount of points of Long strikes or something like that, right much easier to Rally back up all those kinds of things So and just the chariot out there wheeling around just being a problem like people don't that chariot is actually so tough to to get rid of just because of Uh Because of like it's a very high wound count on a three up save. I mean that's basically what it boils down to So, yeah, just great. I really liked this storm cast list. So it was the one I picked out of there to to do because I thought it was awesome Yeah, definitely. Yeah a bunch of good storm cast list Uh mergonx got some really strong list. Mergonx has been doing incredibly well with storm cast Uh, he would definitely be one of one of my picks to do out the events, but this is yeah So this is really interesting Arkansas Mergonx also run in the annihilators with grandhammers, by the way like the the the amount of annihilators with grandhammers showing up in this tournament is Boy, oh boy, like, uh You should just have thunderstruck on in the background the whole time because it's gonna be happening across tables That's not a bad idea. Yeah, I love that Uh, it's very important to cue music up to the important parts of your of your your game strategy So I always try to have like, you know songs teed up to the right place Uh, so that way when I do something in the game, I can just hit play and then let the music play as I do my thing It's very important. You gotta you gotta soundtrack your game, you know I really feel it's a cinematic experience You're announcing, you know, finish up your games. We're just gonna start playing closing time. There you go. There you go Yeah Like the eighth best semi sonic song. Let me just say that like it's fine But there's semi sonic has so many better songs careful. This is gonna become semi sonic chat. So anyways, yeah I'm I'm still waiting for the show with you going through all of the factions and putting forward the theme song for each Oh my god, that's a show. Why that is a show. Yeah, we did talk about that. I forgot all about it. I know I forgot all about it. We absolutely need to do that show Uh, that is a That is a don't don't have me on the show. I'm useless You need to have somebody actually knows knows pop culture, but yeah, I'll just enjoy it That is that show is happening more important than silvaneth. Let's let's get that on the books soon Uh, yeah, it really is like we might have to push back the book review shows just to get that show in. I mean, it's a high priority Well, I mean, look look audience. What do you want to hear us talk about? You want to tell you all about these new and exciting books? Or do you want to hear us rant on about nonsense songs that go with armies? I think the choice is obvious Uh, all right Last up cody bailey with a soul blight grave lords list. Um, I picked this one because Uh, it was in legion of blood and avingori and I was like, I love everything about the two things I'm seeing here Did not expect to see a legion of blood or an avingori list ever But now I've seen both in one player Uh, so cody just became instantly my hero with this Uh, so list one in legion of blood with the necro Vampire lord on foot vampire lord on zombie dragon and the vangorian lord and five black knights 60 big old pack zombies 10 death rattle skeletons five blood knights 20 grave guards. You talked about using using you know, like nose to tail Of the book, right tyler. I mean, this is everything one two three four five six seven eight nine scrolls nine different scrolls See that's an award right there the variety pack award. What do you want to call it? Yeah, your list has got to meet a minimum. Yeah Do you know what else has nine those zombies with a nine inch pylon? Oh god, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah How many charges we're here? Yeah, cody is a very solid player, so Could be a sleeper pick Oh, I I like this list a lot. I again I love all the different threats coming out of this list and all the different tricks depending on how cody arranges his units Right, you've got the vampire lord on zombie dragon. Obviously a big scary hammer You got the 60 zombies. Obviously a hammer. Obviously very frightening Pylon no need to charge all that kind of stuff. You got the blood knights They can get in there and do a heavy amount of work You got the grave guard who can go ultra choppy with the with the vampire lord backing them up You know, so just there's just options on how he wants to put stuff together Never mind the vanguarian lord who's out there able to get around real quickly do the important stuff Uh, and and then also be you know presenting challenges as far as removing and debuffing the enemy so Yeah Yes, sir The this is the exactly why I've long thought At this book is the strongest most fair army in the history of alas that I can recall this soul blood book It is I it's been the bane of my existence trev as you know, I cannot beat soul blight I lost to cody in a game that we did at adept con And yeah, it's it's it's fascinating though I think you can do really well with it. He knows he knows this stuff. He's been playing death for a very long time I'm excited to see how this list plays Tom by the way said he uses 10 war scrolls in both of his lists. So there you go Now most of those are a bunch of different heroes because it's a grab bag on hero time for tom, but I'm still going to count it I'm still going to count it Yeah, so that's kind of a fun selection of lists. I was really happy with that Overall, I thought it was just it's a lot of really good lists We're going to be there that look really fun to play and to play against I'm going to leave this up here for a second. We're not going to read all this But this is the thank you list to all the people who make vault wars possible So I'll leave this here For everybody to read Thank you all For for helping tyler with this tyler anybody particular out of this you want to call out for special thanks Oh, well, definitely the crew at metagames alan carl jeremy. They're the reason that we're able to do this event in the first place and The painters the printers linus sharrick dan scott brice for all that the train Train painting and the torture that I put them through Jt kala brian polkastro scott brice for the 3d printing Uh, yeah, just do an incredible work zono. He has gone way above and beyond on all of the design work I mean, that's the problem. I'm going to want to shout out everybody. So yeah, just thank you to everyone and maybe Thank you slightly to trev slightly Get too excited here. I want you to get too excited. Yeah, you need we both know you got a big ego that you'd do your best to To not hide. Yeah, I gotta make sure this tournament goes well so that you know, it's it's not uh, You know fire tyler or something like that Absolutely Yeah, we'll get that hashtag going. Yeah cancel cancel. Yeah Uh Anyway, yes, did full dorff said is there a link to see all the army lists why there sure is Uh, there sure is uh, I will put it. It's all it's up on uh Tyler's twitter I will link his twitter down below so also that so people can both see all the lists as well as contact tyler If you're interested in the uh terrain project, so that will be in the description And that's what is I was curious we didn't talk about this What's your perspective on the list overall since you got to go through the list just kind of Yeah, I went through them all I was really I really like it was hard to just pick that small number to go through Is my honest answer I really liked what I saw and what people were bringing it looked Super fun a healthy mix around of a lot of different stuff Um, I you know, I liked even that even a lot of the lists that were in things The more commonly seen factions often had either unusual unit picks or unusual Makeups that made them look more interesting and fun. Um, I yeah, I I I think including things like hard mode or like underdog and stuff like that. It has some incentive I think you could you can even you know, that could be played with even more Um, but I think it does a lot to set the tone and tenor of the tournament Um, so, you know, there's there's gonna be uh I think a lot of really really good games Happening at vault wars. That's what that's what I think based on my read Well, try any final thoughts on the list and you know just kind of There's a fellow, you know, legion the first prince player. Uh, I really like shan siders with the 60 wounds of God, how have we not talked about? I mean, I think shan is our pick to win this tournament all three He's he's in discussion like my there's there's certainly we've all got our own dark favorites Uh, the both are our favorites in the dark horses as we're sorry Um, shan is absolutely in my mind in the conversation that legion the first prince list is just nasty as all get out He is an amazing pilot of it. That's a dangerous combination Um, I you know, I I normally bag on tom But I do think tom puts a really really great game out with that night haunt list And I think people won't know what to do with it because it's something they didn't play against We mentioned redonk earlier amazingly good storm cast player like I think we got lots of strong players There's some very interesting lists. So Um, I think there was also some of the nergal I see the ones we reviewed or there's a couple other ones, you know Nergal very much the conversation for this Because the the nature of the makeup of this tournament nergal plays very well Into the the middle armies. It's very strong into the into the sort of The middle tier and That's a lot of this feels very middle tier as far as the armies. They're here So those nergal armies are strongly positioned Yeah, dude, that was my impression as well, which I was really excited to see that. Yeah And I can't I got a mission a few you got to give me a few real quick I mean, we've only like two hours 20 minutes into the show. This is insane We got like another 40 minutes to go here. We we do not we do not we're coming down to the That's fine. You may mention a couple understanding that people cannot see the things you're talking about and so we'll not find it as interesting That's fair Shout out to nick ravarty. I think nick for what it's worth Is in the poll spot for the person who made the best use out of the two list format so The tldr of it is so he's playing ko and One list has dragons That's all you need to know The other list has is in so that's the zilfin spell on the bottle iron clad kind of some of the usual stuff You'd expect to see And then the other list is brock thring. How do you say that thring? How do you say that? And yeah with the rune smiter rune sun Sun and ten hearth garb zerkers 400 points on the nose. He squeezed all of the possible value out of the format that he could I love the juxtaposition of those lists and as i'm looking at it here I'm lying. He's got storm drake guard in both lists So I think what he yeah, what he took out was ten thunder. So he's got more shooting And one and he's got more staying power durability, you know melee bodies and the other I just love that juxtaposition. Yeah Then uh, we've got you know, the new dock battle tom is on the way, but maybe One Change of the marathian the bow snakes my friend chad. He's running. We talked about You know the new gladiatorix and he was getting excited about that. He ran A lot of witch elves in 2.0 He's running bricks of witch elves with two gladiatorix and just leaning into that Minus two rend on the charge or minus three rend with mine razor for all those witch elves with drake you can f gladiatorix I think I think that could be you know, that could surprise some people Be really interesting to see how that goes Sure Our knives don't work anymore right right All right, uh, I love tracy. She's got an amazing list Gardas with with drake. I'm really really hoping tracy can do well with with her list We played and I'm excited to see how she does with with her lists as well. So okay, I'll shut up Very nice travis anybody you want to give a shout out to as your your your picks or anything like that Watch out for alex codder. I played him last night and he has gotten very good with his lrl and it's very techie Very nice the one lrl list So, yeah, absolutely can can can the one lrl list Go the distance. We'll see we'll see Actually, I just wanted brice our friend to win with two gatebreakers and cragnos So he can stop complaining about the battle scroll the hunts Uh, I'm just yeah, brice like i'm just i'm tired We get it Totally fair. All right, totally fair All right. Well, thank you all everyone if you didn't already hit like, uh, please do so Uh, subscribe if you haven't already Uh, really appreciate it tyler Uh travis everybody who's going to be at vault wars this weekend I hope you have an amazing time. Uh, I'm sad that I can't make it out this year But I look forward to attending this tournament in the future in future years Uh, so look forward to the the the the recap and following everything on twitter From my basement where I don't plan to leave Ever again, and uh, yeah, no, thank you travis. It was great to have you on Thanks for having me. It's been fun. Absolutely. Good luck to both of you. Good luck to everybody playing Thank you all so much for watching. 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