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And today we will focus on how would you be able to help you to become a manager without a technical background. And in the past, I've helped 100 people land a dream PM job offer in fan companies, a unicorn startup. And today we are giving lots of free coaching to lots of our royal followers on YouTube and LinkedIn. Okay, so today we also have two people with a live to receive free coaching as well. Awesome. So let's go through today's stack very quickly. And let me share my screen so that you know what we're going through. Okay, cool. If you guys can see my screen, come on the chat, say hi. And say yes, you can see it. Awesome. So today we'll talk about no technical background, no tech degree. How can you become a manager? What should you do? All right. So before we get started, so let's do quick introduction. And also here is a story of other students. And it's very interesting and crazy experience you had regarding her experience on lending a job offering Microsoft. So even if her the experience example gave it to someone who had a commercial degree, but we have many people with who doesn't have commercial degree. So I'm going to share with you regarding how exactly you can use very different strategies based on your unique background. But why I love to share with you guys regarding Amy's story is more about the challenges, how she saw her unique personnel and also school challenges. First of all, I do want to share with you guys regarding the mindset shift. Okay, so all of you guys probably thinking about, well, I do not have tech degree, I do not have like, or, or any degree, and we also have students have zero degrees. So no college degree at all. So Oh, I don't have these degrees. How can I become a manager? Or someone, even if you have tech degrees, Oh, I don't have an MBA. How can I become a manager? And also it's crazy, lots of different kind of mind blocks. The city in front of you guys saying, Oh, I don't have this. I don't have that. How is possible. But why don't we shift it saying that, Hey, other people who has no degree at all, later on, I'm going to share with you guys, well, and that's during my has she had no degree, no college degree, but he was able to become a senior product manager and mastercard. Okay, and also like Amy, even if she had a tech degree, but her challenge was she never got to grade schools or like Harvard, MIT, those kind of amazing schools. And her school, nobody heard of her school. And none of her alumni actually was working for Microsoft and any other fan companies. Okay, but how was she able to figure out, well, given all the challenges in present in front of me, how can make it happen? So number one thing is I want to get really set a final role model figure. Oh, for Amy, she was able to become a manager Microsoft or also an Eddie, Eddie had no degree at all. She was a he was able to become a product manager senior PM at Mastercard as well. So it's definitely possible. First of all, once you guys understand, it is definitely possible. Okay, and then let's figure out specific strategies, how you're able to solve your unique challenges to become a manager. Okay, so here I'm teaching you all the strategies, but I want you to use all the inspirations I just shared with you like student Amy, went to school and never heard of, but she was able to become a manager in Microsoft and she was just an undergrad. Okay, so remove your these beliefs regarding, Oh, I cannot make it. Yes, other people can make it happen. My role model can make it happen. I can make it happen as well. So now today I'm teaching you the strategies. Okay, cool. All right. Now, let's also continue the deck. Also quick reminder, everyone, please take a screenshot right now. So if you're interviewing for any kind of big tech companies here, one company coming up, please download the 50 fan company interview questions. I also understand lately, there are lots of like crazy laid off in Google. I think Google lay off like 12,000 people and Microsoft and other 10,000 people like Amazon 18,000 people all happened within a week. Okay, there's a loss going on. But if there is a great opportunity, very few opportunities being presented in front of you, you really need to know how would you be able to capture the opportunity to be the top 1% candidate? Okay, so one of the ways to make it happen is directly use the interview mark interview questions database, a real life interview questions database, and you can go through this website, docnancy.com slash 50 fan to download those mark interviews database so that you know what's the best strategy for you to become part of manager and use those database, you can improve your interview skills as well by doing more practices. Okay, take a screenshot right now and go to the link and download this sheet. 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Okay, of course whoever has the most likes, comments, and shares of my YouTube or LinkedIn content, you're able to receive free coaching as well. Just email my team. We're going to ask you lots of questions. They can join us just at Amy and Lena today. Awesome. Okay. So final reminder, anybody who is interested in parliamentary access program should go to this website, documents.com slash masterclass to receive free coaching, not free coaching, to receive. This is also one hour free coaching from us regarding the best strategies how to learn and keep your dream PM job during a hiring freeze. Okay, go to this website, documents.com slash masterclass. We're going to see you there and at the same time towards the end of the masterclass. We'll also tell you different packages regarding who do we select to join our program inside the PM access. Okay, cool. All right. Now, final reminder, here is the mock interview groups and you guys can directly scan the barcode and join the WeChat group and LinkedIn group to get ready for your upcoming interview so you can find your mock interview partners as well. So take a screenshot right now and then scan the barcode to join the groups later on. Awesome. So looks like we have four people joining us today. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. So let's do live coaching right now. Oh, I think I had no slides. But anyway, so my point is, so this slide says about the offer celebration inside the PM access. My point is, there are lots of new opportunities coming up in January. I really want you guys to get prepared for example, I was going to receive offers from Bosch and should be nine months pregnant and also some of you receive remote key positions. He also landed this person also earlier this week also received like a senior director position as well and other people join like a digital banking offer or someone received a PM intern offer all happened in January. So I want all of you guys to capture this wave. Okay, there are more opportunities even if Google, Microsoft haven't laid off, but other companies are still hiring as well. We just need to be prepared when opportunities have been presented in front of you. Okay, cool. All right. So let's do the free coaching today before we review all the pre-summit questions. Let's do this. Let me give a high level overview before we pull three people here. Lamaha, how are you? All right. So all of you guys who join me, the three of you guys join me on Zoom, please put in the Zoom chat. You can put your, yes, you can questions, can talk, you're sorry. Cool. Okay. Yeah. If you cannot talk, put your questions in the chat. Okay. I'm going to answer your questions live. And they are two persons because we always do live mock interviews, live Q&A and live 30 seconds elevator pitch review. If you are here with us want to do any live mock interviews, or 30 seconds elevator pitch, you can put in the comment in the chat as well. I'm going to pull you up. Okay. Cool. All right. So now let me give you an overview regarding if you do not have a tech degree, what should you do right now? First of all, let me be transparent with you guys. Majority of our students inside the PMX, they do not have a technical degree at all. So it is like very normal. So you don't have a tech degree. It's like, to be frank, it's like, yeah, most people do not have tech degree and they can become a product manager in like different kind of companies, including fan companies as well. I'm going to tell you what type of degree or what type of positions they're going to hire people without a tech degree general. Okay. So now, first of all, when you do not have a tech degree, there's several things to do. Number one, immediately, you need to understand that I think the study, 5% of product managers out there knows how to code, something like that. It's like crazy. Literally, this is like McKenzie study, 5% of product managers knows how to code today out there. Okay. There's just a lot of people who already keep the spot and they become product manager and they transition into product management. Okay. And now, and like majority of the people who knows how to code, they all work for Google because Google won product managers who knows how to code work for them. Okay. But lots of people, the difference is between coding and also understanding technology. For example, myself, I don't know how to code, but I understand technology very well and I was perceived by my team, oh, she's very technical. Okay. So therefore, number one, you need to tell yourself that, hey, for fact, 5% of product managers today knows how to code. The other 5%, they don't know how to code at all. Number one thing. Okay. Number two, knowing the fact that you don't know how to code and also like majority of product managers don't know how to code, what should you do? And number two thing, in this situation, you need to find the opportunities that is able to leverage your prior experience. For example, in the past, if you work in the cloud space before, or in the past, I worked in the AI space before using machine visions. So that was my very first job, right? So at the time, I had no clue how to code, what is machine vision, but I was able to understand the concept of AI machine vision. Okay. And then talk about how we're able to use the technology to create better product and also talk about how users are able to leverage the same technology to create better solutions for them. So you do need to understand what is AI, but you never need to know how to code. Okay. So understand the concept yourself. Number three is that you should actually just take some classes, AI 101, Cloud 101, the many 101, like technology 101 classes. Also, I have a YouTube video that links to all the three classes. And some of those classes really good on YouTube. Just like I myself even watched those. So really understand what the difference is. Okay. YouTube amazing. Okay. They're giving you the technology 101 training for free. Now let me share with you regarding different YouTube videos, and then I'm going to share with you the number four regarding what jobs you should target if you don't have a tech degree. Okay. So let me do this. Let me go to, let me, let's go to YouTube, where I like to share with you regarding different types of here. You're so cool. Channel membership. Unlock a new way to earn money on channel membership. You want me to create membership, which I plan to do soon. Yeah. Look out for our new membership announcement. Okay. So in the description of this video, top 20 Google Power Manager interview questions and how to answer them. And I put in lots of courses. See? All those are free courses. I also have recommended like LinkedIn courses. So it's like, I think it's part of your like $10 per month, something like that. You can take lots of courses. Now let me give you some examples, right? If you don't know how to tag, how to code. Okay. So now no tech degree. What should you do? Cloud computing architecture tools. And this is the same type of classes I recommend my student inside PMX services take as well. So we guess it lucky you get in this, the free training. Okay. So we come here only 40 minutes. It's really good. It's actually really good. I have my student watch this and myself watch this multiple times. Okay. It's like giving you the concept. And there are so many other courses here. Cloud computing architecture foundation. How does like the web work website browser function software architecture basis. Like those are basic concepts you need to understand learn and all linked in the description on my YouTube video. Okay. They are here. Oh, hold on. I think oh, this video was taken down. Oh, no. I'm going to change the link. Okay. So anyway, so go to, oh, I see YouTube slow down. Okay. So basically go to this video, the top 20 Google program interview questions, how to answer them. And I'm going to change the link. Interesting. Interesting. Somehow the link doesn't work. But it's all here. Okay. Click those links and watch those free training yourself and software architecture classes. You can also download the recommended linking classes by me, all the technical classes like AI 101 database 101. Everything is very fast. And the link is also in the description of this video. So are here. Come here. Okay. And also give a like and subscribe to this and like like and share of this video. Okay. Cool. Okay. So now, now step number four, you go here. You go to LinkedIn and find the positions doesn't require any tech background. Let me show you how to find it. It's very easy. There's so many, there's so many opportunities you guys don't know how to capture those. That's why you'll see free coaching here. Okay. So now, for example, you can search product manager position and sales over 300 jobs, like 33,000 PM jobs in the US right now. It's crazy. Okay. There's still a lot of opportunities. Just don't know how to capture those. So let's use this. Oh, this is a remote position. I love this. And senior program manager growth. For example, this one. Oh, they are remote. I love this so many remote positions. Did I make it remote? This is amazing. Okay, guys, it's also lots of remote positions. I personally prefer remote positions because I'm just new mom. Wow, lots of remote positions. This is great. Cool. For example, this one, you don't need a tech degree to do the job. Senior program manager growth, focusing on product growth, interesting retention, lifetime value of a customer is all focused on growing the value of your customers and running AB testing. You don't know, you don't need to know how to code, like, or any technical degree to understand AB testing. Once you, you just need to take some classes about AB testing. Actually, inside PMXI we teach AB testing as well. Okay. So take some classes about AB testing and then you say, oh, this is how you design it. It's more about designing AB testing. Okay. So right here. Yeah. So for example, you see this minimum serious experience in fast-paced environment. They didn't say, hey, you need to know how to code, right? Understand conducting AB testing, different things. You might, so for AB testing and in this job requirement and saying that you need C code in reality, when you run AB testing work with engineer, okay, or data scientist, they run C code for you, but you design the AB testing cases for them. Okay. The end-to-end customer design process, those are not tacking at all. So you should all do it. Okay. So like so many, like, positions out there. Like senior program manager, let's do, they gave me senior result because I'm senior. Okay. When you guys show, searcher is likely to find non-senior positions. Okay. So my point is this, like, for example, this one is crazy. Probably creators, right? So basically this company is also remote position. Why give me so many remote positions? I love this. I think last time I searched remote and now just give me so many remote positions, which I like. Yeah. See? So this is more about, hey, how would you create solutions in an AI company for creators? So understand the creators is more important than knowing how to code in AI. Okay. So those are something you guys need to, like, understand how to leverage your strengths to make it happen and see the job description, the insane code at all. So there's many new opportunities for being presented in front of you. Okay. Cool. No, no, no. No. Let me stop sharing. Let's do Q and A right now. So for the four steps, and then you know how to leverage the non-heightful background. Okay. Become a PM. Awesome. So let's do this. Putting in the chat. So Amy, you're not working. You cannot speak, but you can direct your type questions. Lena, question. Do you want to do mock interviews or review a 30 seconds elevator pitch or have any specific questions for me? Feel free to turn on your camera and unmute yourself. Hi, Lena. Are you here? Hi. Yes. I'm just here. I'm just listening in. So okay. I'm not prepared for anything or a mock interview. Just listening. Awesome. Okay. Then you can stay on here. Amy had a question. Can a scrum master become product manager? What would they need to do? Oh, very good. Very good. Okay. Great. Cool. Yes. Scrum master can absolutely become product manager. I think it's very close. Very, very, very close to become a product manager regarding scrum master background. Okay. So now for scrum masters, and here's what you do. Number one thing, let's analyze your strengths and weaknesses. So your strengths is engineering process very well. You also understand the agile process. You probably know how to work with engineers. You also have seen product roadmap. You have seen people return requirements in the past. Basically, you know it very well. The weakness is your experience. You didn't design product roadmap. And you may not get opportunity to write user stories either. Someone, the product manager, wrote it and you work with the engineering team to implement it. So here is how you can become product manager with a scrum master background. Number one is you immediately in your current job as a scrum master, try to get involved to influence the product roadmap. You don't need to be a woman who calls a shot saying, hey, here is what I want to do. I want to design roadmap for two years. Probably other people will do it. But you can influence the roadmap by proposing product features, by working with any customer feedback. If there's any customers engaging with the product, any feedback, the key is you need to collect information so that you're able to make proposals and say, hey, there is something we add to the roadmap or we change the roadmap or we change any prioritization of any features on the roadmap. Okay. So number one thing immediately influence the roadmap. Number two is that you can start just like write requirements for your team. And your product manager probably written requirement in the past. You can just be, hey, there's something else I believe the requirement is missing. I will find more requirements adding to your existing ones so we can build a better product. You can just write it yourself and make it as a proposal so that I think we can write new requirements for this and this. Because most people, most product managers today, they haven't had down like systematic training regarding how to be a great product manager. Lots of them are mediocre product managers. So in this situation, it is your opportunity to shine to the L. Those like requirement was written okay, but not good enough. So let me just write more to help you to build a better product. Okay. So you can definitely directly help them to write a requirement. And then through the process, you start to gain product management experience based on working on those opportunities. So this is a very, very, as a scrum masters, I think it's very easy to become a product manager for short. Okay. So 200%. This is one of my, I think the easiest position to transition to PM because you get access to everything. You just need to know how to leverage it. And also finally scrum masters. I really recommend everybody to immediately learn what's the best way for you to actually know in real life how to become a great product manager. So because if you kind of afford something, in order to influence product roadmap, you don't even know yourself what in reality, how to build a better product roadmap and then say, well, how can you influence it? So I encourage you guys to learn. Okay. So this is how big tech companies build product roadmap. Okay. So this is how the product has different features. This is how they write user stories. Okay. Great. So I know the right way to do it. And then you can make proposals, you can write your own and whatever proposals you may will make like, well, this sounds very great. Okay. You have to make good proposals when you influence other people's roadmap. Okay. So therefore I recommend you guys to learn before you make it. Okay. Learn it before you make it. That's a, that's a tagline was in PM, et cetera. Okay. So if you guys interest in PM, et cetera, actually we teach people all the skills, how to become the, how to master the fan-level PM skills, become a great product manager inside PM, et cetera, as well. So you can go to the website, docnancy.com to learn more. Okay. Cool. Let me also and see all the live questions. We have other live questions on LinkedIn and YouTube. Okay. So I love this. Karam said Karam from India Resolution 2023 is invest in yourself and gain new skills. I love this Karam. Yes. I believe that investing in yourself is only investment with guaranteed return. For sure. Anything you want to learn, just a list, put it on your list to start learning this actually in January, how much money is spent. I already spent like $3,000 in different courses already that is going to last for the whole year for me to continue to learn. And also January, I spent $7,000 on my team. So I purchased a Tony Robin training to train my team to teach them leadership skills for half a year. It's a half year training. I spent $7,000 on my team to learn as well. So January is the best time for you to decide. You want to learn something, continue learning. Okay. So good for you, Karam. I love this. Jamie, what you saw on doing MBA and computer science especially for someone who doesn't have computer science or business background is early 30s. Okay. So you are like early 30s, 31, 32, and you're thinking about getting MBA or computer science degree. Okay. And I assume your goal. So, Jamie, I assume your goal is to become a program manager. So therefore, you think about getting either MBA or computer science degree. Okay. So now here you think. I do not recommend people to take MBA degree for the purpose of becoming a program manager. Okay. So guess what? The Harvard MBA, only 7% of Harvard MBA became a program manager. Only 7%. Okay. You searched public information on Google. So how many people percentage of Harvard MBA become a program manager? 7%. Only 14% of MBAs from MIT actually became a program manager as well. Only 14%. Not 40. Not 40. 40 is high. Okay. 14 from MIT. MIT is the most technical school in the US. Okay. Only 14% of people from MIT MBA school actually became a program manager. It's crazy. All right. And then Harvard 7%. So doing MBA doesn't guarantee you're going to become a program manager at all. And actually, if your goal is to become a program manager, and I think the MBA invests $200,000 per year, investment is a big waste of money only for a small goal. There's more return. There's higher return on investment opportunities for you to become a program manager much easier than spending $200,000 per year to become an MBA. Okay. For sure. Okay. So now here's how you do it without getting MBA. So I believe so PMXR is the most efficient program for you to become a program manager. Go to our website docnancy.com and check out more. Okay. And if you don't want to spend money learning, you can also go to Udemy for a $10 course. But I personally believe that $10 is not going to solve the problem. Okay. You just need to find the program that helps you to actually gain the right skills to become a program manager. I really do not think MBA is the right choice. Okay. Of course, I also have high confidence. PMXR actually is the best program out there, helping people to become a program manager. You should definitely check it out for sure. Okay. And now, computer science degree. By the way, my team had a question for me. And what's that? Let me respond. Okay. Now we have this next question I have is, hold on, I have many texts. Oh, computer science degree. Okay. In your early 30s, do you really need a computer science degree? I personally believe that if your goal is become a program manager, you just end your 30s, I wouldn't just for the purpose taking a computer science degree to become a program manager unless you want to become a software developer. I do think like computer science degree helps you to become a software developer. Okay. So it's for someone doing MBA and computer science degree, unless here's a different thing, unless you feel like, wow, I feel so great about myself. If I know how to code, I feel so great about myself, I can gain so much great network within like my MBA program. And for that purpose, I think you should. Okay. As I said, most part of the manager, you don't need to know how to code, but there's a, there's a hat to do it. Okay. So for those different kinds of computer science degree, I wouldn't do a computer science degree to be frank. I would write systems management. And I believe those like systems management, for example, I took systems design from MIT, right? I did system design management. I think those systems design and management degree is better than computer science degree because as a program manager, you don't know, you don't need to know how to code at all, not at all. But knowing systems design is the second level of computer science. Okay. So system design based design, different kinds of like functions within the technical systems. So those are the better degree for you to take if you really want to take a degree. Okay. So I don't think computer science degree is the right choice, but system design or system design management or information design management or information system management, those are better degree for you to take. Okay. But again, I don't think you need, you need to know how to code. So leverage your resources effectively. You are conflating coding ability with the tech degree. They are on the same thing. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Cleavies are two different things. Okay. A tech degree can involve many different things and you don't need to know how to code. Now, for lots of program manager positions, if you, let's say you have like computer science, oh, we don't need to talk about science, you don't need, let's say you have electrical engineering degree, right? So if you have electrical engineering degree, you don't need to be like, hey, I need to get electrical engineering degree to become program manager. I think it's like detour as well. Okay. So now for tech degree, let's say you don't, you don't have, let's say for tech degree, yes, you do not need, let's say you get electrical engineering degree so that I can become program manager. So you don't need tech degree either. Okay. So it's more about, hey, do I know how things work in the systems? So therefore, I recommend you guys take those three classes on YouTube or LinkedIn or different places to understand, hey, this is how things work, exactly how things work. This is how I learned the AI, different kind of knowledges, and actually a student of mine, Diana, she lands 3pm job offer, one of those, a TPM job offer from Metta to work on AI product. Okay. So for those kind of roles, she was accountant. She was purely accountant, completely accountant. With her background, with accounting background, oh, she's also CPA. She literally doesn't know how to code, but she was able to land the AI position in those like a TPM position for AI space. So it was because she took those classes about AI. So you don't need a degree, but you need to take those classes to understand what you want to work for AI company, you better understand what the heck is AI. So that's the key. Okay. So ego says, thank you for a wonderful session. Looking forward to the interview questions database. Yes, you can go to the interview questions database we had that I shared with you earlier and go to docnancy.com slash 50 fan. Let me show you again, if you missed it for the interview questions database, where is my where is my database? Yes, go here 50 fan PM interview questions database. Go here, docnancy.com slash 50 fan, you are able to directly join us. Use those interview questions database prepared for upcoming interviews. Now let me do the next question. Okay. So you're assuming portal manager in the software industry. They are portal manager in various verticals, not just software. Yes. So are you assuming that but the examples I gave you guys have many different like directions where you can go try like PM in fintech space or PM in healthcare tech space and then many different type of PMs out there. You should give it give a try as well. Cool. Let me see. Oh, we also have pre submit questions. Feel free to put your questions in the chat. We're going to go through this. Okay. So let me go to the Q and A. Is this the latest question? Hold on. Let me go through that. All right. So how to develop the skills and show the qualities and skills from coursework and class project. Oh, very good. I assume you mean to build the product portfolio so that you're able to show the quality of skills from coursework and project. Okay, different skills. First of all, let's assume this is a product management skills. Okay. So how to develop product management skills? First of all, I recommend everybody to take a course about product management and very sincere. You freaking don't even take a course of product management. How do you know how to learn those skills? Just like go take some courses about product management. Okay. I'm very, very sincere. First of all, take it. I don't know where you're coming from. You're going to learn those skills. Learn it first and then you develop those skills. I assume you already learned how to become a great product manager first. And then when you develop those skills, you just need to apply what you learned in the class and by building a product portfolio. I believe product portfolio is the most efficient way to demonstrate, hey, I know how to build the product. And here is the example of how to apply the skills in the real-life scenario. For example, the customer interview skills and writing requirements. This is a typical product manager skills. One on one. Okay. And then you apply the skills you learned in the product management class and then you apply this in a real-life scenario and that's how you develop those skills. Okay. And then show the quality skills from course one on a class project. Okay. So now I assume for your class project, if this is something related to product and then it's easy, you just turn it into a product portfolio. Now, the quality has to be good. And the way you show the quality is actually do what the real-life product managers need to do. That's the best way to show the quality of those projects. Okay. So therefore, I still highly recommend you guys, hey, you need to understand in real-life how product managers write requirements. Okay. So that's how they write requirements. Okay. That's the best way to write requirements. Okay. Great. And then you learn this first and then you go here. Okay. So this is how I did it in my class project. This is how I requirement following the best practices of how to write requirement and then you turn it into your product portfolio. Okay. I talked about the importance of product portfolio in my YouTube video. So let me put it here. Oh, come here. We have it here as well. Where's the portfolio video I had? It's in this playlist. Come here. It's very important. Okay. Okay. So watch this video regarding how you're able to leverage product portfolio to succeed in your upcoming PN job hunting journey. Okay. So this has many different things. I talked about things you'd be included in your product portfolio, how you design it, the differences of product portfolios and everything there. Okay. So make sure you watch this video and then you know how to show quality work to demonstrate your past experience. Okay. So next one. Do you have any, oh, by the way, any videos? Do you have any videos help understand how to transition to PN without having a technical background? Yes. So let me show you the first video. Let me put a portfolio video in the chat first. Okay. Now let me share it in the chat here. Okay. I post in the chat regarding product portfolio video. I think it can only be posted on YouTube nor not LinkedIn. If you're on LinkedIn, go to this, what I'm sharing right now, my YouTube channel. I see only YouTube can see it. LinkedIn integration is not good. Cool. So go there first. Okay. So now next video. One sec. Let me go back. Hold on. Let me, this is right here. Next video. Do you have, do you have any video helps understand how to transition to PN without having a technical background? Okay. Very good. All right. Yes, we have some videos. So this is live training. It's actually talking about what you need to do. There's another training where I talk about do you need tech degree and different kind of courses you can take come here. So do you need tech degree is here. One sec. Let me go here. I believe this also is coding required. Okay. So this video, do you need tech degree, commercial degree to become a manager? So this video has more recommendations, right? Different things you can leverage and how to become a manager and identify the type of product that's more relevant. And then different courses I recommend you guys to take. Okay. Even if you don't have a tech degree. Let me share this video with you guys. How to share. If you're on LinkedIn, just go to my playlist. How to become a manager with no experience. Talk about do you need tech background, computer science become a manager and that video has lots of resources. Okay. Watch this video on YouTube. You should get the link from my chat as well. Awesome. So let me go back to answer the next question. John, how can someone break into PM without tech? Is it possible to join a fan or any other company? Yes. Okay. Now, as I said, you don't need the tech degree. Okay. You don't need you don't need computer science degree. You don't need electrical engineering degree. I also think it's stupid to study electrical engineering in order to become part manager. It's like just like wrong paths. Okay. You don't need to study those stuff to become a part manager at all. And now without those technical degrees, what can you do? How can break into without tech degrees? We covered this in the earlier thing. And most importantly is you take classes, learn the foundation of AI, cloud everything. So you actually just need to understand how things work. You have systems design. Systems design is most important thing you need to understand and study. So when you go into like Google interview, okay, or any like many different like technical companies interview, especially Google, they'll be like, Hey, let's do systems design. The reason they test your system design instead of coding experience is because system design is way more important to understand how different systems relate to each other, different requirements and flowing in between different systems. So those are most important classes you should take. And also does that cloud architecture, different architecture design, as I said earlier, it is in the training on my YouTube channel. Let me share with you guys. So it is it is there. I encourage you guys to study those compared with getting like other like a degree in tech space. So it's possible and also like the degree I got was like systems like systems management. So it's a management degree. So it's a systems management is way better than a computer science degree and also way better than MBAs because accessory actually become part of manager is much higher doing the route. I just show them. It's possible to join FANG or any other companies without tech degree. Yes, it is possible. Now, depends on the type of team you're going to join. Okay, so for example, my student Diana, so I said earlier, Diana has three offers and one offer, TPM offer from Metta. She was accountant. She is a accountant CPA, no tech background for sure. Okay, didn't get training in the space, but she took lots of AI classes. Okay, we shared the AI classes she took with EMPM accelerator community so that everyone can learn from her the same kind of classes she she had as well. So when you go to the the technical eighth technical classes recommended at the download is also have the classes we recommend for entry low PM job as well. So the answer is absolutely possible. Now, Metta Metta is also another company they do not need tech degree for sure. We have students MBA students or like someone entrepreneurs join Metta. They don't know how to code. They don't have tech degree at all. They join Metta. So it is extremely reasonable for Metta. Okay, so it really depends on the type of team, type of companies you're looking for. Okay, so it's possible but right now to be frank, all the like Google type of companies they had layoff. So the very limited hack on right now. So therefore in this situation, I wouldn't think about Oh, do I only want to join Google type of companies? I would focus on other type of company who still had hack on right now and also for Google, Google needs you to know how to code behind PM or you or even your lineage up within three months to get fired. They really want you to be able to code so that you have authorities to lead for a manager. So in the leadership was you guys earlier. Do you need tech degree become part manager? I break it down into different companies. It's there. Okay. For other companies, yes, for other company for sure, only 5% part managers, they know how to code. How do you know PMA program? So if you're interested in our coaching program inside PMX, so if you go to this website, docnancy.com slash masterclass, you can directly register for our upcoming free masterclass. And then stay until the end where we're going to discuss who do we select to join the program. Okay, but still it's going to give you the whole framework, the blueprint, how would you be able to land and keep your dream PM job offer during recession without applying for 1000 jobs online. Awesome. So let me, I think I answered all the questions here. Let me also post the question. I'm doing YouTube live. Okay. So sorry, home interruption and put a link here. Okay. Family interruption in one second. Sorry, just found out my my son is sick from daycare. I need to pick him up. So sad. Yes, that's what happened. Now, let's finish our YouTube live before I pick up my son. I'm sick. It's crazy. Okay, so let me see. Do you have any questions? Any remaining questions? Okay, so looks like we answered all the questions. This is awesome. Cool. All right, so I'm going to see you soon. And in our next live training and also Lena, thank you for joining us live on Zoom as well. Anybody who wants to receive free coaching, want to do the mock interviews or any like review your 30 seconds at a bit of pitch or review a resume, you can join me on Zoom live as well. Just like Lena. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, great. So I do need to pick up my son. All right, cool. All right. Talk to you guys soon and make sure to share and like our videos and not also watch other free trainings in our YouTube playlist. There's a many different kind of similar answers for your interview questions. Okay, so study those. Awesome. Okay, cool. All right. Talk to you soon. Gonna pick up my son. See you guys. Bye.