 Nintendo Prime podcast episode 45. Now, before we go too deep into it, I want to know right now, am I sounding good? This has been an issue every week on this set. So if we are actually starting and sounding great, we've already achieved more than we have achieved in the entire run on this new set. Yes, yes, actually, I'm here. Yes, it sounds good. It's been sporadic for the last how long. All right, so obviously I'm here, guys. I am your host, as always, Nathan Ruffaljantz, the Nintendo Prime, and I'm joined by my co-host after being gone two of the last three weeks. Yeah, mister! And it feels good to be back with the normal crew. No guests this week, because you know what? I was actually working on a couple of guests and then I realized, you know what? We have enough to talk about just between Eric and I before we bring a guest in, because we'll be talking about E3 and the fact that is it dead? Like for real reels, like gone forever? We get to talk about Summer Game Fest, Nintendo possibly being there, some evidence to suggest, and we get to talk about our own video game event that's happening around Summer Game Fest and how crazy that's gonna be. So we have so much to talk about that, you know, I didn't really wanna drag a guest in for this, but we are gonna start episode the way that we start every single episode by talking about what the hell have we been playing lately and Eric, I'm gonna let you go first because he's played a game, at least one. Well, technically two counting today. Oh yeah, yeah. Technically two counting, yeah. I forgot about that, I wouldn't even count it that one. No, playing Kirby, that is a freaking phenomenal game. Kirby! Only up to the Snow World just started it. Just defeated Mennonite, so yeah. And then playing a little bit of MLB the show before the podcast year. MLB the show, 22, we were playing that on the Xbox series S. So that was, we tried out the streaming, the cloud streaming, it was fine while it worked. Yeah, now we don't know, we're running the console on a wireless connection, so it could be one of those things that we really should have wired in and it wouldn't be a problem, but yeah, they have the beta up for XCloud on the Xbox, the new Xbox platforms, and I wanted to try it out because I'm like, you know, I don't have the series X at the moment, so in theory, it could look better on cloud streaming. I know cloud streaming doesn't support 4K, but it could support, you know, the better looking assets and shadows and everything, higher frame rates. Unfortunately, obviously there were some, there were some drops. Yeah, which again, it could just be because it's in beta, it does say it's in beta. Yeah. And it could just be that, hey, you know what, we were using a wireless connection. When everyone knows for game streaming it's always best to be wired. For what it's worth, I did try out it on my PC before and it worked just fine, but that's hardwired in. So, who really knows what's up with that, but yeah, we got to play MLB The Show 22 today. Pretty cool. Haven't played it on Switch yet though, okay, sorry. Can't comment on that version, but there is full cross play and cross saves. So, the fact that I'm playing this on Game Pass kinda means I feel like I should pick it up on Switch so I can just play it on the go and I can just transfer my files back and forth. That sounds like a really, really great idea. But we'll see, obviously the big thing is the frame rate difference. Apparently the Switch version is unlocked. It's not 30 FPS, it's unlocked and sometimes even hits 50 FPS. Oh, but obviously all the other consoles hit a higher FPS so it should theoretically give them a gameplay advantage or maybe it doesn't, I don't know. Haven't seen a lot of people actually talking about how the cross play works because it's so new. You know, we'll get into it eventually and figure out if the cross plays good on that one or not. Another big third party game came out that I was playing, Lego Star Wars. I know, I will get it. Lego Star Wars Skywalker saga dropped yesterday, the same day as MLB the show and I was playing that on Switch. In fact, you guys saw me play it on livestream. So that was fun. I really, really like it. It's easy. It's a Lego game. I didn't expect it to be a challenging game in terms of the combat. Like if you think about it, for anyone who's seen the Star Wars movies, like I started with episode one, well, I'm Qui-Gun Jin and he's a beast. He's already a beast at the start of the movie. He's literally a Jedi master. He should be able to shrek everyone. Obviously, you know, until the Darth Maul scene. So yeah, it ends up being a lot of fun. They injected a lot of obviously Lego comedy in there and kept the Star Wars comedy. There's certain comedy from the Star Wars. They kept it like, oh, it's kind of lame to see. It's based on the movie. They're gonna keep the comedy in from the movies. And then there's gonna have more comedy on top. Like Jar Jar Bix drinking the hyperdrive. Why? Because Jar Jar Bix just felt like, oh man, our hyperdrive is running low. Go, go, go, go, go. God damn it, Jar Jar. Just another reason that it's like Jar Jar Bix. Me sound no good. Oh boy. That bastard. I know, I haven't used that voice since I was a kid. You're right. And here we are. It's coming back because- It's coming back. Dude, there's a pod racing section. That was so fun. I gotta win it. I gotta win it. It's a lot of fun. There's a lot to explore. And I will say, obviously the superior versions of this are going to be on Xbox, PlayStation, PC, Steam Deck, et cetera. But for being on Switch, it runs at nearly 720p all the time. And which is great in handheld though, because it could only go up to 720p. And it's roughly 30 FPS. It does have some dips to like 26 at times. I didn't really notice it that much. There was like one instance. Like, well, it was like trying to transition between combat and a cutscene that it kind of like stuttered for a second. Otherwise it was fine. But that's not terrible. I honestly wasn't even thinking about it. Like when I tweeted out right when I got done, like, dude, this game is legit. And I'm playing it on Switch. And there was people saying like, why are you playing it on Switch? It's, how can it even be fun? Because great games are great irregardless of resolution and frame rate, unless it's a deemed unplayable frame rate. And I know for some people, 30 FPS feels unplayable. But when I say unplayable, I'm talking about your character is jumping around the screen or it literally locks up like we had happened on the show, 22 one. So like, those are the kind of things that make a game unplayable. This is far from that. You mean like the four to five frames per second that she used to play on World Warcraft? Yeah. And even then I had fun. I think great games are great regardless. And there was one bug I might have ran into with Jar Jar Binks during the big battle scene. I think I got him stuck on the shield but then I switched characters and did it with somebody else. I don't know. Maybe that's what happened in the movie and I just don't remember because I know Jar Jar Binks was kind of a wussy in the combat. So I don't know. Maybe it was intentional, but it was a lot of fun. And I do not regret the purchase one but I walked into Lux edition. You got all the DLC, got the little Luke Skywalker figurine with the milk jug. I'm trying to understand what the joke is with the milk jug. I don't really, the milk jug, the milk mustache. Does the body good? I don't know. Is there a Star Wars reference I'm forgetting? Okay. So yeah, I'm forgetting a reference. You haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. Is it in the final movie? I think so. I'm pretty sure if I remember. It's an episode nine. Well then it's an episode nine that I wouldn't get in. Why is Luke Skywalker the one with a young Luke Skywalker? I don't know. That part I don't know. I got to watch the final one and see what's up with that. And then another game I've been playing. I know Eric's been playing as well. What's that buddy? What? The Kirby? Oh, the Kirby. The Kirby. The Kirby. The Kirby in the forgotten land. Kirby in the forgotten land. What are your thoughts on the Kirby in the forgotten land? You said you were up to the snow level, four levels in. Four stages in. Yup. Nine hundred percent of everything up to this point. Nine hundred percent of everything up to this point. Even including the challenges all the time. All the time trials. The target times beat. Yeah, it's, some of those challenges are tough. Yeah. Levels, they're definitely, they definitely keep you on your toes for sure. Of where they hide stuff. I've only had trouble with like one waddle bee and it was like tucked in some grass. In this little entryway. And I'm like, how the hell am I supposed to see that? But other than that, yeah, eventually. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of funny because we're basically around the same area of the game in the snow world. And, you know, obviously beat Meta Knight and all that in the battle arena. And I gotta say, it still, my opinion two weeks ago, hasn't really changed the further I get in, the deeper I get in. It is my favorite Kirby game I've ever played in my life. And it's not really even particularly close. Like I thought I was doing recency bias. So I went ahead and emulated some old school Kirby games that I, you know, used to love, turned to Dream Land and all that. And frankly, they're not as good. This is better. So I'm not even using recency bias at this point. Kirby and the Forgotten Land is the best Kirby game I've ever played. And I'm still standing by that. And apparently the best is yet to come because the post game content apparently is utterly amazing. Really? And I have to get to it still. And now some people might go, how the hell have you got to it yet? And I got to life. You're right. Plus, that would be the show. Plus I'm playing Lego Star Wars yesterday. Plus I've been playing Madden and everything else on top. So yeah, you know, I'm busy, busy around here. But I am progressing really well. I think I'm actually going to be to the post game content by this weekend. So I've been playing the game pretty much right before bed every night. A little bit during the day. And so I'm making good progress and loving the room. I did 100% everything. There's like two things I haven't gotten, but it's whatever. I think I'll probably end up going to the track. I think what I'm going to do is going back. I'm going to kind of like get to the post game and then I'll go back because you can replay everything. And then I'll go back when I haven't played a level for a while. And then a bit, oh, it'd be really fun to revisit this level anyways. And then let's complete what I didn't complete. So yeah, I'm having a lot of fun with that game. I'll knock the second level of characters of the little figurines. Did you all knock that yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got that, yeah. So yeah, Kirby's the house you decorate and it's cute. Did you do the one minigame, the food minigame? I played it once and it was like I did on the easiest difficulty just to see what it was like. Yeah, you probably dominated that difficulty. Yeah. Now go to the hardest. Yeah, no, hun. I still can't get through a lunch period and I've attempted it 17 times. Yeah. It is insane. The frenzy, no anyways. If you guys haven't played the game, play it and you'll find out for yourself. All right, that being said, I think it's time we get into our first big topic. Okay. E3 is canceled. Yeah, that's insane. So originally they canceled the in-person event like a month or two ago. But they never technically canceled the digital event which they did last year. Then they announced the cancellation of the digital event which did lead into some summer game fest stuff and all that and we'll get into that later. But for right now I wanna focus on E3 the event because they are saying they will be back next year. They plan to do in-person and something digital at the same time. I don't really know how they plan to pull that off but that is currently the ESA, the Electronic Software Association. They're the people that run E3. They also run the ESRB, the ratings that are required to be on every single game which if you don't know the ESRB system exists because the video game companies came together to form it to prevent government intervention into rating games and all of that. They wanted an independent way so the government can't censor games per se. That was the idea behind the ESRB rating. Obviously like in Europe they have the Peggy rating. These ratings are kind of sort of the same in every territory just with different names and I guess different outlets running them. But what's interesting is not just that E3's canceled and we could talk about how what we loved about E3 which we'll probably get into our experiences at E3 and what we loved most about going to it in-person both as media and with a gamer pass. Obviously just watching it at home. We talked about the shit show that was last year. Even though this show was good, their show wasn't bad. So if you enjoyed E3 it was probably because you were watching us or you just skipped everything and only watched Nintendo's part of it. Which okay then it's just like watching Nintendo Direct so if you liked that Direct then you thought it was good. But what I wanted to first bring up is what sounds like some really interesting stories that are gonna be coming out about E3 and about the ESA if it doesn't actually come back next year and is actually dead. Because they were gonna do an in-person event in 2020. Okay, that was the plan the whole way. Of course before the pandemic hit and everything. They were everything was planned for in-person and all the companies committed and apparently it was going to be a shit show. An absolute shit show. They were completely disorganized. They didn't have any idea what they were doing. They knew Microsoft and Nintendo were gonna be involved but there's a lot of things going on with that that didn't sit right. And it turns out that whether people realize it or not Jeff Keely, you don't wanna know why Jeff Keely is so connected and able to do the game awards and summer game fest and all these things and host games come and who is Jeff Keely? Why does he have all these connections? Well, Jeff Keely turns out has been the E3 coordinator for coordinating media and game companies meeting behind the scenes around E3 time to do the interviews, to do partnerships between companies, to introduce people. Basically, for those who don't know, E3, we know it as fans as this front-facing, ooh, we get a bunch of video game news but that really wasn't the most important part of E3. What made E3 matter was it was the one time per year studios across the globe and gaming media across the globe got together in one place. And so they were able to exchange a lot of ideas, form a lot of partnerships, be able to, one developer, if you find a publisher for a game if they couldn't before, this game would get attention by a certain media outlet whether it's like USA Today or something like that that normally doesn't pay attention to any of the video game news. It was a very unique situation behind the scenes, stuff that none of us really ever saw publicly. And Jeff Kealy apparently was the catalyst behind almost all of that. And he left E3 after E3 2019. Now, why did he leave? He opens up about this in a little Twitter podcast, I guess is what you can call it. It's just, Twitter's got this thing where you can, I can start one right now. It's like a Twitter little chat group that's like a live show, kind of like we're doing here except voice only. And you can let anybody who's listening, they can like queue up and be like, hey, I wanna talk, I wanna ask a question. And you can like toss them in and they can ask their question. It's actually kind of neat. I wish YouTube had a feature like that. So I have to like go through all these other apps and streaming things to make it work. But Twitter Spaces I think is what it's called. Anyways, so he was doing this for about an hour and we discovered quite a bit through that Twitter space about E3 itself. And basically, Jeff Keely left, and which ended up leading to a really hard time that for all these companies to organize since they were so reliant upon him because Sony left E3. Now, he doesn't go into the exact details on why PlayStation and Sony left E3. He really doesn't bother to dive into that. But what he does note is that he didn't leave E3 in 2019, but after 2019, he realized, man, PlayStation 5 is gonna be launching and it's not even going to be there. That's not right. That should have never deteriorated to the point that one of the major next-gen systems is not gonna be at a show that next systems have always been at. That shouldn't happen. And you could bring up how Switch wasn't there because they didn't unveil it until October and that's fine. But Nintendo never really did E3 dirty, right? They kept showing up. They kept doing presentations whether they're live or obviously eventually as directs. So, and obviously Treehouse was like a big expansion for Nintendo as well. So Nintendo never really did E3 dirty, but it seemed like there was a disconnect. And it might have even started before that because for many years now, Microsoft has pulled their show floor into their own building, which is like a couple blocks away. Yeah, it's not that far. It's really close to the LA Convention Center, but it's still separate from everybody else. So it kind of felt like Microsoft is part of E3 in spirit. Right. It's almost like the EA Play event. It's its own thing that's happening adjacent to an EA Play garbage. That thing was showing out of itself. And I understand Microsoft using Microsoft Theater and everything, which they used to use for their live press conferences, but then not being on the show floor and ESA somehow being cool with that. And then obviously losing Sony really began the downfall. And it was obviously downfalling before that. And apparently there's been major disagreements behind the scenes about how E3 should be ran, what the show is about, what the focus is, how do we evolve in the digital age, yada yada yada. So Jeff Keely said, look, he tried giving them advice. Nobody wanted to listen to him. And he's like, look, all these companies trust me. They don't trust you. I'm out. And if I'm out, a lot of the other companies started wanting out too. And that's really interesting because I don't know that any of us knew that Jeff Keely was such a key catalyst for E3 itself because a lot of what he did was behind the scenes. Yeah, you'd see him host a few things, but his real work was behind the scenes. So that being said, Eric, are you sad if E3 is dead? Will you miss it? Yeah. Yeah, because it was a lot of fun going out there. What was your favorite part? Because we've attended three? Yes, I'm like that. Three of the last four they did in person we were there. The only one we weren't was 2017. We were there in 2016 as media. Yep. And then we were back in 2018 and 2019. Yep. So that's our in-person experience. I don't know, just being around, not much for crowds, but I don't know, there's something about that crowd that's just kind of awesome. Well, a lot of excitement. Yeah, the whole, yeah. Because everyone's about to play a bunch of games that aren't out yet. Absolutely. And that makes people get excited. I mean, reality is you're standing in really, really long lines. I mean, you get to talk to people. Bring your switch. That's always kind of nice. But no, it's, again, like you said, you get to play a bunch of games that aren't out. You get to go hands-on with things that you may not try normally. Just being, I mean, you and I hang out just bullshitting while we're standing in line. You get to see random passings of, we saw Angry Joe in random passing. I ran into Bob Wolf in line. It's, you get to see. We met, what, Nintendocade? Yep, we met them. Game over Jesse. Game over Jesse, we meet them every year. We see them every year, yeah. I think they have a bunch of sound. I think so. Because they know we're there. Yeah, right, right, right. I swear, they helped me down. Right, right. And Cap. Yeah, Cap with that. And then our good buddies back from the, you know, the old Informer days at Rob. Yeah, it's just great to catch up with people and just. Xeon. Yeah, right. It is now a Nintendo life. I think my favorite memory of E3 though is that the day we realized that we could actually go in the very, very last day of our first one, where we realized we could go in early because we had the media passes. Yeah, no one told us. No one told us. Yeah, and that, but that to me also goes towards the lack of organization. Oh yeah, for sure. There's no communication. Oh, we got this back end portal that says nothing about accessing the show floor. Oh God, yeah, no, not at all. It's like, you either know or you don't. Well, and the thing was just like, really? We walked her up to the kind of the bouncer people and shot her badge and she's like, go ahead. Like what, seriously? We could have skipped the lines and played a bunch of games. Yeah, right. It's really frustrating that we didn't know, which is fine. We only did a cover Zelda. At that point, we'd already played it like 10 times. Right, but still. But we could have played other games though. We couldn't have played other stuff and then came back to Zelda once the floor was open. It was really an interesting experience to me because there's one thing about an in-person con event that's always going to be cool. You meet fans. We bumped into a few fans of the channel every now and then. Bump into all the Quateens from the Zelda universe or obviously Zelda Informer or just bump into other YouTubers. Haven't Reggie literally right next to us where we probably should have been the one selected to go with him because we were the ones actually at the back of the line and the people that got selected were people that just walked up after we had been sitting there for 40 minutes. So that was really, they weren't even waiting and they get to go. But you know. And being like trying not to be jealous about that kind of stuff. Armory's Reach of Charles Martinet. Yeah, Charles Martinet, which apparently is really easy to meet him. He's got to go to a different con. Yeah, but still. I mean, it's still cool to. Like that's the thing though. You're around like everybody, like Tim Schaefer God, he's just literally walking around. He doesn't want to come and say hi to the guy. He didn't have security around or anything. You know, obviously the biggest of the biggest names like a Phil Spencer or a Shiro Miyamoto, they're all going to have security around them. Some of the other developers are literally just walking the floor. You know, like if you know who the person is who created your favorite game who was the lead producer, lead director of whatever game series or game that you really like and it's not someone that's like this mega status like a Miyamoto or an Ayanuma or whatever. Like if it's just, you know, Kojima obviously, but if it's just, you know, like a Tim Schaefer, they're just walking around and you could just walk up to him and they'll be, sometimes they'll probably be friendly. Sometimes it'll be agitated because they're trying to get to the next meeting or trying to figure things out. Bad internet signal, bad, you know, whatever, they're trying to just, you know, get through things. But it was kind of cool because especially when they opened it to gamers because now it was media gamers and game developers, which I know actually irritated a lot of media and game developers, which also goes to the fact that the show lost direction. Well, it should have been media for the first, like extended it, extended it today. Media the first two days, gamers and media the second two days and everything would have been PG keen, but the media was pissed because they had to fight and stand in a whole crap to longer lines now because gamers were there. So it just didn't make any sense. At the end of the day, E3 obviously lost its direction and didn't evolve and it sounds like from what we're hearing behind the scenes. And again, they think if E3 never comes back or is a huge shit fest next year that the horror stories are gonna finally come out about how poorly ESA is attempting to run things or not running things, they're not organized. They don't know what they're doing. Here's an example. Why is E3 canceled this year? They did reach out to companies. That email chain that happened a month ago is real. They reached out to companies a month ago. Jeff Keely's been reaching out to companies for Summer Game Fest as of eight months ago. Pretty much immediately after Summer Game Fest last year ended, he was reaching out to companies for the next one. That makes the most sense. E3 didn't reach out until a month ago. Why? Where are you three, baby? Of course you wanna be here. We're E3. If we invite you, you're gonna come to E3, right? Oh man. You know what, Eric? You just set it up. A new game development studio. We're inviting you to E3. You're gonna come, right? Oh yeah. Oh, I'm so excited. Oh, what companies are there? Well, we can't get Microsoft to commit. Or we can't get into... Wait, what? Yeah. So all the companies we need to draw attention aren't committing. Oh, because they committed to something else. Oh, well, you know what? I'm just gonna email Jeff Keely and ask if I can get an issue or if not. I'll talk to one of the many outlets that are covering the show and try to get on there. Also, don't forget the asinine prices of actually what the show floor costs, too, for space. I've heard some of those spaces are just absolutely insane. And again, a lot of that could come down to them not realizing what the point of their show is. Or the show floor. Like Microsoft leaving, what's cheaper for Microsoft to do it in their own building? But maybe if you would have said, no, no, no, wait a second. Instead of you leaving, let's actually work something out here where we're gonna reduce the prices and make it so companies actually wanna be here and do more elaborate shows. And we'll make up the difference on the back end of those gamer passes that we charge $250 for. That's another thing, how expensive it is compared to going like packs or gamescom or anywhere else. So, E3 got in a lost direction. I do wanna say one other thing. The media didn't think they were better than other people. They literally have a job that is their living. And if they can't get to a game because there's so many people online that hurts their living. It's not that the media thought that they were better than other people. It just was, it should have been handled and done a whole lot different. And what you have to understand is we're not talking about the IGNs, the Kotaku's, the USA's today's. Like all those people get private memos, okay? They waiting in line. We're talking about content creators. We're talking about the mom and pop-out that's like go to Nintendo or Nintendo life. Or us. Or us. Like, we're talking about the under media. You have the mega media, they never have to wait. A lot of them play the games before E3 even begins. And then when E3 does begin, they get to go and have meetings and private showings. And like we did actually at E3 2016, we actually didn't need to wait in line for Breath of the Wild at all. We had a private showing. We could have literally only played the game once. The difference is we were a Zelda outlet once in enough. Right. We're gonna, we wanna play it as much as we can. So it was, while it was neat to play it again up there, it's like, you know, we had already played it a whole bunch. It really wasn't anything new we were gonna experience at that point. But it was so cool to go up there and chit chat. And I mean, yeah, we were right up there. You know, and just to give an example, we know this is how it works because we had a media pass. We were able to schedule a meeting. We did get to go up to the media on the area and guess what? There's Nintendo Treehouse employees walking around up there. You're right up there with Kotaku and IGN and all these other, like all these big names you guys recognize, Greg Miller is up there. We saw a whole bunch of those guys just up there and hey, you know what? They're all there doing their job. And this is their one chance to get to play the game because they're not gonna go wait in the lines. Part of it is because they don't wanna wait in the lines because their media don't have to and they have a billion other games they need to go cover. And two is, well, some of these people kind of give you like celebrities and now that fans are let in, you know, like. Yeah. Angry Joe had quite a crowd kind of like sort of slowly following behind him and it's kind of like, okay, that can get a little old when you are, you know, Angry Joe is there to play demos. He's trying to get to his next meeting to get to his next thing and the fans are trying to stop him all the time so that it can kind of come off like maybe the content creators are ever being rude and it's like, no, they're gonna do a job too. Some of them aren't. Some of them are just there for community. I think Game Over just even though he just comes for community. He enjoys community. He's not making a bunch of videos on this stuff and calling it a day. Me, I'm there to play every single demo that I can that's for Nintendo's platform. There to get footage of it. There to get hands on experience and there to create discussions around it and honest impressions. You guys have seen that content back at E3 2018 and 2019. And so, yeah, I didn't really, like you could argue it's a missed opportunity but I didn't network. I didn't go out of my way to, I'm gonna walk around till I see somebody I recognize and then I'm gonna go up and talk to him. No, I was there for the demos. I was there to do a job. If I happened to bump into people, cool. But I wasn't going out of my way to do it which is why I personally never really networked with anybody. I met a couple people but most of them were people that I was already really friendly on good terms with already like Game Over Jesse. Didn't need to meet him to keep good terms going between him and I. We were all good. I mean the one E3 when my knee got hit. Yeah, that sucked. Anyways, my E3 going away. Like I think what I'm gonna miss is the way E3 game announcements worked. So I love the show floor which is really what E3's point was and the press conferences were sort of independent. E3, ESA didn't run the press conferences. Companies chose to do press conferences around the event itself, around the show floor but the ESA did not charge Nintendo or Microsoft or any money to run these press conferences like they were doing last year. All those press conferences were all independently ran. And what was nice is it was basically a three day event where you would have a day with like four or five back-to-back-to-back-to-back press conferences where you're just getting mega announcement after mega announcement after mega announcement and it's nothing but games. And that's what people got excited for last year thinking, man, they got four days. How many companies are gonna be involved? Like is this gonna be back-to-back-to-back nonstop? And if they need to fluff it up in between, are we gonna talk about the games? Are we gonna do developer interviews? Did Nintendo show us how to do this with Trios? You get developer interviews, you get people playing demos of the game especially since we can't intend in person to play the demos. Now is the time to get on like Greg Miller. Okay, you got Greg Miller hosting, you got all these people hosting. Have them play demos of the games right now that you're showcasing. That should have been, but again, they weren't that organized. And that's not what we got last year. Last year was a shit show for lack of a better way to describe it. And it doesn't sound like, it sounds like it's been that way for a long time, brushed and toppled together. You're going to be here because we're easy. The biggest red flag for me has always been their goddamn sign up website. That thing has been from like when they first had it. I mean, it's absolutely atrocious. And so difficult to sign up. The last time they had E3 in person, what happened? All the media's details got leaked to the internet. Why? Their website's trash. Oh God, it's like an early 90s website. Yeah, I've downloaded the E3 app every year. It's stupid. It's been the same garbage every, it doesn't give me anything else. There's pointless. Welcome to E3. Here's a map that kind of sort of loads when it feels like it. And then the map's not even accurate. Right. Like it's dumb. Yeah, no for sure. They don't know what they're doing. They didn't modernize. They didn't listen to the ideas of the people that actually have the ears of all the studios like Jeff Keely. And now guess what? Now Jeff Keely has his own summer event with game announcements. And E3 isn't even here. Yeah, no. And we don't even have a reason. There's been no reason. It's just mess canceled. Yeah. Cool, why? Dude, unprecedented events. Unprecedented what? You couldn't get anybody to come? Your lack of connections in the industry, which is hilarious since the ESA was formed by the industry. Did you know Doug Bowser's on the board of the ESA? You wanna know how often Doug Bowser probably picks up the phone to call the ESA and exercises board powers when he needs a game. Right? Yeah, right? That's how little these companies care. The ESA has just kind of sort of become a joke. Outside of the ESRB rating system, they just don't care about them anymore. Because I think what's happened is though a lot of these companies have just moved beyond the ESA, they used to need the ESA to represent them in union battles and all this stuff. And these companies like dude, we'll do this better than you can. Why we need you? So well, whatever, E3 might be dead for good. Might not be. They might attempt to come back next year. And I don't know if I'm going to attend if they do. Because if Nintendo's not part of it, we have no reason to go. If Nintendo's not there, that defeats our purpose of going. And then if all the companies are just dropping out and it just becomes like an indie show, that's cool. Yeah, no, it's... But also, you lost everyone? And just look at Summer Game Fest lists this year. They got Ubisoft, they got EA, they got Microsoft and Sony. They got Sony when E3 lost them. Yeah, they got 2K. Now they got Activision Blizzard, which eventually will be part of Microsoft. Like maybe. I know they're trying to push back against it, some people in the government. But it's, they got all the big boys and then a lot of the in-between ones as well and a lot of the indie studios. Not obviously all of them, there's a ton of indie studios, but Valve is there too. Like it's, man, it makes me a little sad. Yeah, no, for sure. Cause I don't know what's gonna replace it, like for like full in-person. That's the thing, the in-person event is, like the press conferences can be replaced. Yeah. And maybe Summer Game Fest ends up being that replacement. But I don't know what replaces the in-person event because I mean, I guess you just go to Gamescom, go to PAX, but like PAX isn't really the same thing. They do have some game demos there, but that's not what it's all about. It's more of a nerd con, which is fine. Movies, comics, et cetera. But like, this was the gaming one. This is where everybody came and you got to play games early. Without that, I don't really know, and I don't know who, if anyone can replace it. I mean, Jeff Keely made it very clear on his little podcast he did that, hey, just to be clear, Summer Game Fest does not replace E3. Why? Because he knows the value of that in-person event. But I don't know if the ESA knows it's value. They don't know what they're doing. The one thing I'd wish is, if it does go away, that Jeff, knowing that the in-person is that important would start kind of a spin-off of the Summer Game Fest and kind of roll up an in-person event. I also look at it like this. I don't know that. So I know not everyone likes Jeff Keely, and that's fine. I think his heart's in the right place, but not everyone likes the way that he wants to do things. And that's okay. He does commercialize, he does take on ads, but he also, you know, his events are all about games. I mean, the one thing we can't deny, it's all about games. There's not a 40-minute Verizon 5G segment in the middle of the Game Awards. Like, it's all about games. You might not like the way it's done, you might think certain things are gonna be done better, but he doesn't waste your time when it comes to whatever he's doing is about video games. You know when you turn into a Jeff Keely hosted video game event, it's going to be about games. Maybe they're not games you care about. Maybe they're not companies you care about. Maybe it's video game music and you just don't care about that video game music. That's fine, but at least it's about games. Which is not what E3 was about last year. E3 was games were kind of like the backdrop to social justice, political talk, and Verizon 5G. And Verizon 5G. That is apparently supposed to somehow- It was dumb. Somehow make gaming better, but I still don't know how because they never really did fully tell us. And they really planned it. So, yeah. I guess that leads well into our next topic. The topic that I know some people have been waiting around for one minute. What are you gonna get to this? What are you gonna talk about Nintendo? Or put it on the screen, period. Being in a summer game fest. What is going on? Yeah. Hey, we were talking about E3, that was topic one. Hey, and it kind of rolls right into it. Rolls right into it. We did this for a reason. All three of these topics are related to each other. And there's an order to it specifically. Because E3 being canceled leads directly into talking about what is our sort of summer replacement. And that is summer game fest. So, we don't know the dates yet. For summer game fest, sadly, unfortunately. They should be announced, I think, within the next few weeks. Or at least by the end of April. Because Jeff Keely said that they have a bunch of announcements coming weeks, schedules, and all that. So, that should be good. He did reference in his podcast that it would probably be about a week long. The kickoff event last year was like three and a half hours. I don't know how long it's gonna be this year. We'll be live reacting to it. And we'll do a super long pre-show. And maybe a little bit of a post-show. Because his kind of runs till, I think it ran till midnight last year. So, we'll see how that goes. But what I find interesting is that he said, I don't want to put pressure on these video game companies to do things when I say to do it. Which seemed to be potentially a shot at the ESA. But he said, a lot of these game companies want to do a joint event where everyone's revealing games around the same time. But they wanna decide how and when it's done during that time. So he said, and even noted, some companies want the whole data themselves, Nintendo. So, it's not gonna be like these 12 hour live streams where they gotta do all this filler content. Now, there will be some, there was last year. But all that filler content that he did have was related to whatever was being shown that day. Shocker! Wow, creating content that's about, oh, is Ubisoft about to have an Ubisoft forward, a press conference today? Man, maybe if we're doing a two hour pre-show to that, it should basically be a pseudo video game podcast speculating and talking about the Ubisoft event. Man, wow, imagine a gaming event talking about games. What? What? And that's what they did last year. All the in-between stuff was developer interviews. It was getting content creators and gamers together to actually talk about the games that were just shown or are going to be shown, or reacting to the ones shown the prior day. It was awesome. It wasn't, you know, the greatest show ever. But all the companies that chose to go with Summer Game Fest last year, which wasn't a ton because, you know, there still was E3. But like Devolver Digital completely went with Jeff Keely and on Saturday, Devolver Digital had the best show of the whole day. They have the best show of like all the time. Ubisoft went that day. I think Square Enix went down that Saturday for E3. Oh man, E3's going to win. Look at this, it's got this and this. And then Devolver Digital shows up and just shits on all of them. Rosh is it. Just shits on all of them and goes, yeah, by the way, we're at Summer Game Fest now. You know, then forget E3. So that's cool. But when you look at the list of companies coming to Summer Game Fest, it's got pretty much all the big names except one. The list does not have Nintendo on it. Now, this does not mean Nintendo won't be at Summer Game Fest. We've had some potential evidence that something might have recently been agreed. No? Because I do have this feeling, this gut feeling, that as soon as the ESA sent out their emails for what E3, Nintendo was probably one of the first companies to respond and say, yeah, we're in. Well, yeah. Because they're in all the time. It doesn't really hurt Nintendo. They still run their event on their own channels. It's just, why wouldn't we want the extra attention? Sure, we're in. And obviously with it being canceled and the email going out to all the game devs at the same time that it's being canceled, Nintendo is probably like, okay, well, all right. Well, now what? I guess we'll just do our own Nintendo Direct and call it a day and whatever. We'll do it when we do it, right? You know, Nintendo doesn't have to do it in June. They can do it whenever. Yeah. And then Summer Game Fest had to tweet out this. Oh boy. So you guys know, that's the Reginator. Yeah, Regi and Jeff Keely are friends, of course. But tweeting out a moment from a Nintendo press conference. And that moment is an important one. My body is ready. Ready for what? This is a key moment from a Nintendo press conference at E3. And they're using this to advertise Summer Game Fest, to hype up Summer Game Fest. Now, I'm sure Regi will be part of Summer Game Fest in some sort of way because of him and Jeff. No, right. But my body is ready. Nintendo reference, Nintendo press conference. You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds like Jeff Keely and Nintendo, today came to an agreement for Nintendo to be part of Summer Game Fest. Now you might go, then why wouldn't they announce it? Well, there's a lot of logistics. Okay, a lot of the logistics. You can come to a preliminary agreement. Maybe the exact day is not picked. Maybe this, not this, not that. Maybe how much Nintendo is gonna show? Are they gonna do a tree house? You know, what are they gonna do? Maybe all that's not figured out yet. But this to me seems like a direct reference to Nintendo's coming to Summer Game Fest and our bodies are ready. Or if you're the rest of the internet, your body's Regi. Now, maybe I'm over-reading it. And do it, what do you think? I don't know how else to read it. Why else would, I mean, Jeff could, are we sure was posted today and not on the first? No, yesterday. Okay. It's about the official Summer Game Fest account. Yeah, because otherwise, if it was the first, it may have, you know, you could argue it was a April Fool's prank. But, I mean, I don't know how else you read this. Yeah, I literally don't know how you look at this tweet and go, how is this not a reference to Nintendo's coming to Summer Game Fest? My body is ready. They were not partnered yet. The only thing that I could think of would be, it is literally just Regi's a part of it. But that's the only other way you could read this. They didn't have to use a Nintendo-specific reference. Right. No, very much so. They could have used Regi's reference from anything else. And instead, they're using a Nintendo one. Now, some people speculated that, oh, well, this was a hardware thing. This is a hardware tease that Nintendo's gonna announce hardware at Summer Game Fest. Guys, just make sure we fit. You guys not remember what, okay, are we really gonna pretend that we fit was a major hardware announcement? Yes, the game sold phenomenally well, but my body is ready as a reference to Regi about to step on a we fit balance board. Though we was already out, guys. This wasn't an announcement of a new Wii. This was an announcement of an accessory for a fitness game. This is not a tease for new hardware. I just wanna like squash that right now. And Nintendo might announce new hardware. Unless they're bringing Wii Fit to the Switch. I guess they could be. Switch Fit. So yeah, I'm trying to understand this tweet. And you could argue we're just reading too much into it. We're gamers, that's what we do. We read too much into it. But I saw this today and I'm like, holy shit, Nintendo's a Summer Game Fest. That was the only thing that popped in my head. Yeah, right. It was, I'm sorry. You don't use a Nintendo specific reference. Which by the way, I think we might have created that meme. Thank you, Reggie. We're the ones with the two million views of it on YouTube. Yeah. No, obviously Reggie's the real king here. Yeah, I would be shocked if Nintendo chose not to participate in Summer Game Fest. One, Reggie could be a good liaison to get Doug Bowser. Cause like Doug Bowser and Reggie probably still talk. Oh, sure. Cause he was gruing them for years to take over. And he was the VP and everything. I have a feeling that, you know, if Doug Bowser wanted to know anything about Jeff Kealey or any, you know, you just talk about Reggie and do a whole meeting or to lunch, take care of that. So I don't think there's any way that Nintendo won't be able to freely talk to Jeff Kealey to be in this event. Even if Nintendo of Japan might not have as tight of a connection. That's what their Nintendo of America office is for anyways, right? Right. This is an American event, so a US based event. So I do think that this is a, at least our first sign, before there's an official announcement that Nintendo is joining the game awards. Or the Game Fest. Summer Game Fest. It gets all confusing cause it's those are the two events that you're right. Which takes my hype level for Summer Game Fest already to the next level. Cause I was already happy. Man, we're getting a Sony show. Sony's gonna have games. We're getting Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, 2K. I mean, EA does have some good games here and there. They do. It takes two and stuff like that. From Joseph Farris and pretty much anything Joseph Farris touches is cool at this point. But he just, you want someone to understand gamers. Yeah. Right. Joseph Farris understands gamers. Like to the end of the green. It hits the Oscars. And by the way, he was correct. He was definitely correct to say fuck the Oscars. Will Smith kind of slapped the Oscars to make it relevant again. So yeah. The Oscars have Will Smith to thank for the increase in ratings this year. And maybe Joseph Farris starting the ball rolling by telling the Oscars to fuck off. And then Will Smith saying, yeah, fuck off Oscar. You chose this bitch to be the host. Anyways. So yeah. I think that the game awards or in this case the Summer Game Fest is going to end up being really, really interesting. If Nintendo joins, I think we're almost back to this being what E3 was, at least before the show floor. The press conferences. You have the showcases. You have the kickoff event, which is basically like a giant conglomeration of press conferences where there's a bunch of games that are often teasing further events that are going to be happening throughout Summer Game Fest. So are you excited? Like this is different. This isn't E3. This is Summer Game Fest. Right. Are you as excited for this as say we were for E3 heading into last year? Um, if Nintendo joins, 100%. Right now I'm probably about 75% just because I'm no one, obviously. But if Nintendo kicks it in, that's just icing on the cake right now. So yeah, no, I'm definitely looking forward to it. And it's going to be a lot of interesting stuff from us, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah, look at that. That's our next topic is our show. Yeah, like it's hard to know what to be excited for yet because the schedule's not out. Once the schedule's out, and Jeff Keely said this in the podcast, what he feels Summer Game Fest is, hey, it's under our umbrella so we can tell you when things are going to happen. There's no surprise Nintendo Direct. Surprise Sony Showcase. Surprise, no, no, no, no. Don't be surprised. Surprise is at the show. But we're going to have it nice and organized for you on a calendar. So you know what time to tune in to the things you care about. And I think that is, that's important. That's called organization. Kind of an important thing to have. Oh, for sure. I don't know. That's just kind of what I have to say about that. Do you have anything else to add about Summer Game Fest right now? Besides, give me the games. Where's the games? Give me the games. Give me the games. I want to see what's going on them now. And I can't wait for Devolver Digital's gonna do press conference. Yeah, Devolver Digital's involved again and I can't wait to see how they follow up last year. When was, they have an ongoing story arc, by the way. Was it 2016? What? When they started that ongoing story arc? Or was that, was it her first year? That story arc is a bit, like, if you guys don't believe me, go look up Devolver Digital E3 press conference going back like five years and then to the Summer Game Fest one last year. It's an ongoing story arc. Oh yeah. No, no, it is. It's going on over, oh my, it's insane. It's freaking awesome. I love it. I love Devolver Digital. And the thing is, you don't even have to watch like the old ones to understand what's happened in the new ones because they make sure it's always relevant to today. Yeah. It's great. But they somehow tie it back to one long string of kind of coherent references and stuff too. And it's just, whoever designs their show is a freaking genius. I'm convinced it's just Joseph Harris. It's possible. It feels like something that would come out of that guy's mind. Right? OK, so our last topic, and one that's obviously really important for us, and you guys can see it in the little title card of the show, is Prime Gaming Fest. So the first on many of you guys' minds, what the hell is Prime Gaming Fest? Why is Amazon doing a gaming event? Do we really eat, is this just like a sales event or something? No. Prime Gaming Fest is actually our gaming show that we are building around Summer Game Fest and probably going to build around it mostly every summer, depending on what's happening with E3. Obviously, if E3 can bounce back and become relevant again, that's going to create quite the conundrum for what we're going to do at that point, whether we're going to do the live show and still attend. I have no idea. Are we going to be like, oh, let's cover all Summer Game Fest and E3 is like a day after. I guess we're flying out the night after the show. I have no idea. So we'll worry about that if and when ESA can actually get their shit together. Pull her head out of her ass. Until then, this is what you get every year, which is totally fine by us. Prime Gaming Fest is our follow up to the E3 extravaganza we did last year. There'll be thousands of dollars in giveaways, hundreds of winners, yada, yada. You guys should know that by now. If you don't, well, that's what happens. Things like this Gully King Kong 2 controller, we got one of these to give away for you guys. Let me see that thing. I have yet to hold it. And it's got Hall Sensor, so it cannot drift. Oh my god. Just the feel in the hand alone. I know, right? This is insane. And I'm not paid to say it. Yeah. I'm not paid to say it. I got paid to advertise it today, but. I'm not paid to say it. This is, damn it. I'm going to have to get one. Son of a bitch. It is nice. The question is, do you play on TV enough to matter? Oh no, I can start playing on the TV enough to make it matter. It does work on PC too. And Android and Apple. Oh, nice. So you can use it on multiple devices. But it's obviously was purpose built for Switch. Yeah, no, that's a sexy controller. Jeepers. So I am so excited for the show. And the thing is, what's different is last year, obviously we knew E3 was going to be streaming from this hour to this hour. So bare minimum, we had their content that we're going to react to. And then we kind of knew, OK, I don't think they're going to do a good job. A lot of their content's going to suck. That was right. So we created a lot of. We at least thought the presentations were going to be OK. Yeah, and even though it's not. I almost felt like we needed to cut away from those just to do something fun. We did mute how many of them. Yeah. And started playing games. So like last year, we had things planned for events. So we had gaming events and contests between Eric and I. And this year, we don't have the exact dates yet. So once we have the exact dates of Summer Gamefest and all the press conferences or whatever is going to be showing, we can start building our show around that and get a better idea of how many days we're going to be streaming, how long the streams are going to be, because last year we were doing 12 to 15 hours a day, which is totally fine. We'll do it again if we have to. In fact, we might still make them super long anyways, even if the Summer Gamefest stuff itself isn't that long, because we have our own show to do, our own giveaways to take care of. And what we are, and this is just a little bit of a word. We might need the extra time just for our giveaways. When we were just discussing this before the show, we have a lot of stuff that we're going to be adding, because we are legitimately going to be putting on a show. Now last year, I know that it felt like we put on a show, but we still had that base reliance on, hey, what the hell's happening at E3? This year, oh, we're live reacting to the Summer Gamefest. That ain't a problem. I ain't worried about it. It's going to be all about games. We're going to react to it. And so you don't have to go anywhere. You can catch all the Summer Gamefest right here. But we're going to be building our own show around it, our own gaming competitions. And by the way, some of these competitions are Eric and I against you guys, all of us in a tournament together. Some of it is going to be literally, we just talked about this a moment ago, video game Wheel of Fortune. Probably will probably keep it specifically to Nintendo until maybe the final bonus round. But real prizes, of course, giveaway items and all that involved in all that. And yeah, you guys from the crowd will be playing the Wheel of Fortune. That's the crazy thing. Eric and I will be hosting it and four random people from the crowd will be selected to play. And they'll get eliminated as we go across the rounds, just like normal Wheel of Fortune. We haven't decided who's going to be the pretty lady yet unveiling the letters on camera, but we'll see what happens. And you're going to be like, wait a second. Is that a letter there? I think I can. Is that a letter there? Wait, is there a letter here? And then obviously there's the whole, do we digitize it and make it where we green screen it and then you touch the green screen and then I can get really fancy with this and make it all computerized. Well, probably do a real in-person hanging letter thing. But anyways, it's going to be a lot of fun. And it's not just that. We have competition between Eric and I. We're going to be bringing a lot of the good old fashioned drinking games into it. Not necessarily ending with doing drinks but spinning a wheel, a wheel of death that we are still working out what all the punishments are going to be. Clearly it's going to need to be a rather jam-packed wheel so that's going to be fun. And the one thing I haven't decided is it's going to be a digital or physical wheel. Obviously a physical wheel is a lot more fun. But every time I look them up online to buy them, but apparently none of them are well-made. None of them have enough room for what we need. So like everyone's like, oh, just make it yourself. And I'm like, no, it's going to be unbalanced and it's always going to land on the one thing every time. The hot potato chip. Like there's going to be a, we're going to have the hot sauce challenge this year from Hot Ones. The new hot sauce. Hot sauce is straight from Hot Ones for that where I don't think we're going to do a shot of the sauce. I think we will have some bonus wings. Or maybe like, oh yeah, I want to do that one. I want to do that one. Yeah, I want to see if you can survive the bomb. That's really the one that gets everyone is the bomb. By the way, when you buy the Hot Ones hot sauces they don't give you the original the bomb hot sauce because it's that disgusting and that gross they refuse to actually sell it to people. So you have to go online and buy it from my store. So I want to make sure we get the original hot sauce and we'll have the one that they come with them to replace it with. So maybe we'll end up having an extra hot sauce in the. Oh boy. As long as it's got flavor, that's all I really care about. That's the one that's just, no. Kind of like Buffalo Wild Wings that they're blazing sauce. It's just, it tastes like pure gasoline. That's so beyond. All like some of these cold little levels are so far beyond it. Yeah, the cold little levels are one thing. It's just, if it has, it's gonna have some sort of flavor with it. I can tell you right now, based on every episode of Hot Ones I've seen, the bomb has no flavor. Yeah, fine. Fantastic. It's just, it's just poison. It should not be legally allowed to be sold, which is why Hot Ones will not sell it with their official hot sauce pack for their seasons. But you can find it, it is actually sold. You can't, it's not like it's illegal to sell it. It's just, no one, I would like to meet the person who actually enjoys that hot sauce. I want to meet the person. That being said, I don't know who's gonna end up doing that because that's gonna be on the wheel. And who knows, maybe we end up both losing at one point and we both end up having to do it because there'll probably be two sets of wings. So, you know, we'll see what happens because that's one that will probably leave on the wheel until it's done for the off chance that both of us end up doing it. No one will have to, any of the same things twice on the wheel, except for some basic things like Chats of Tequila might be on there. Okay, like that'll just, not gonna stay on there for years. I doubt that's gonna come up 10 times when I'm pulling my, no one, no one you're lucky. No one you're lucky. Right, right. But anyways, so we're gonna be spending a wheel whether it's digital or otherwise. And just having a lot of fun, punishing each other and entertaining you guys. And even on that wheel it might be, hey, time to give away a big boy prize. And that's like, you bastard, you're lost and then you don't get punished and then they win. Yeah. They double win. They double win. They double win watching me lose and laughing at me. And then I get to laugh back because I don't have to do anything but then I have to realize, oh shit, I'm giving away a $700. All right, here we go. Hey. It's gonna be a lot of fun guys. We have so much planned around this event and it's still going, so many companies already partnering up, another three more potential companies partnering up at this time. One for sure. They're waiting for the release of a brand new game that we're actually gonna get codes for to give away underneath it. That's gonna be cool. Holy crap. There's just a lot. We should really just make a master list that we can throw up on screen. Well, the thing is, it's still all being planned. No, no, for sure. So there is no master list yet. Once we have the summer game fest schedule and then we can build our schedule around it, that's what I'm gonna be able to be able to do. Here's what's happening. Here's what our events are gonna be. Here's what our gaming tournaments are gonna be. Here's the games that we wanna practice for that show if you wanna win. Here's this. Here's that yada, yada, yada. Here's what the rules are gonna be. Like we have a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tournament. We're not just gonna say, oh we're having a tournament. Here's the race rules. It's a 200 CC. Is it frantic items? Is it no items? I mean, we have a no items race. Is it 50 CC, no items? Oh yeah, baby, really test those driver skills. That would be hilarious. I actually feel like I wanna do a 50 CC, no items tournament. That to me would be hilarious. I don't know that I'd make people suffer through 48 races. Make it a shorter tournament, probably like 12. But still, it would be. So what you're saying is they're probably gonna buy it. Finally break down by Mario Kart 8. Maybe. That's up to you. The best selling game on Switch. You'd really only be like, you know, you're on the other 50% that doesn't own it. Yeah, right, right, right. There's just a lot and the big thing I wanted to bring up on this show is you guys. We are more than willing to take fan feedback on last year's show and fan input for this year's show on what you want to see us do. Not just what things you would like us to give away. Everyone has things they want us to give away. Every time I'm like, oh man, you should give away 20 PS5s. Okay, well, let's be realistic. You're right. I would love to do that, but that's not gonna happen. So obviously, you know, not just on what to give away, but what events would you like to see us do? What gaming events would you like to see us host? And what ideas do you have for competitions, for punishments, we have a bunch of ideas ourselves, but we wanna know what the community's ideas are so we can maybe find a way to implement some of your guys's thoughts into our show because a lot of the show every year is mostly just me coming up with shit. And then Eric just goes along with it because he's crazy. I lost my brain a while ago, so. So I like to make it a collaborative effort to make this show even better than last year. And yeah, we'll have better equipment, better sound, hopefully no sound issues, hopefully no crashing. Hopefully no crashing. But yeah, we really want your guys's feedback on that. In fact, you know what? We're kind of reaching the end of the show of what we had to talk about today. So why don't you guys leave some of that feedback in the live chat right now? And if you're listening to the audio version, you can always head on over to our podcast YouTube channel and leave a comment on the episode, episode 45. Man, you guys can put your ideas in the live chat right now. We'll kind of maybe go through some of them. Also, we'll take a little bit of Q and A from the chat as well. If you guys have any questions you wanna ask? Before we wrap up this podcast, I'll let Eric answer the first handful of them, because obviously I've done a lot of talking about Prime Gaming Fest, because a lot of it's still being organized and sorted out. A lot of it, I have no clue what's going on. Yeah. I mean, he organized our master list of game codes. Eric plus wig plus dress plus lipstick. I can't eat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. Man, the one chip channel, we did it last year. I know. Eric, I should say. Yeah. I feel like because it was last year, we already did that. That's kind of like, let's check out the list. That's why we're doing it. We replaced it with the hot sauce. Hot sauces? Yeah, yeah. Is the D-pad on that controller any good? So I used the D-pad on it for the first time today. I thought it was fine. It doesn't, it seems to be all good. I have not taken it apart to see how it's built on the inside, but I haven't had any complaints about the D-pad. How does that compare to that diffusion? I like it way better. Like it way better? Way better, yeah. And the big thing is, and this company's like, they're all over Twitter, just like, dude, we built this controller because we were so tired of nobody giving us what we really want on Switch. Now, they say that there's still digital buttons. However, I will note, pretty much nothing on Switch supports analog buttons, like triggers, so it really wouldn't matter if they did that right. They did make it so you could change the travel if you want, where you can go in just a smidge like that and press the button versus all the way in. Just like they made the rumble can be more intense or less intense. You can control that as well. You can also control the sensitivity of your sticks all the way down to putting a zero dead zone on if you're one of those FPS players that likes to have that super fine tune controls. You can have a zero dead zone if you would like. So anyways, that's just features of the controller that I've been using it. Eric just held it and he's like, this just feels. It just feels, it feels right. It just, I don't even know how to describe it. It just feels, like you hold it like, oh, it's a little light compared to what you might expect for, oh, wait a second. There's something about this. It, this, this works. So. No, for sure. All right. Yeah. Eric's like, I'm so good. I'm gonna buy this, I don't even play in TV mode. I will for that controller because it feels like good. Yeah, right. I wish we'd have some premieres, but I don't think we're gonna have any premieres. Maybe. I would not count on any. I'm not gonna say I haven't talked to some people about it, but I definitely want like, Nintendo Life had their own little like, sort of their own little indie world today. I don't have that sort of relationship with these indie companies at this time to get our own trailer reveals. I don't, I just, I think it's, cause we're just not big enough yet guys. You know, they want maximum attention. You know, when the highest we draw is like 900 to 1,000 live. These people want, you know, 10,000 live and we just can't do that. We don't, we can't do those kind of numbers yet. Maybe someday. Nazi said the biggest feedback I have is the giveaways felt a bit sporadic. That's sporadic last year. I would like it if you had set items to set times, maybe. So we, I will say this, giveaways are intentionally sporadic. Some of them we did have set times for actually, but the giveaways are intentionally sporadic because we don't know what's going to happen at the events that we're reacting to. So a lot of the giveaways are built around that as well. On top of that, we also don't want you to know exactly what we're giving away when we're giving it away. Cause here's what happens. Then you get people who only show up for giveaways that are just going to show up at that one specific time for the giveaway and then dip out. That don't do us any good. No. That don't do you any good. How are you going to find out if you enjoy our channel and enjoy our show if you don't actually come to our channel and watch the show? The giveaways are the backdrop to the show, not the main attraction. That's why they are intentionally sporadic. Now we do want to get it to where we don't end up having like rapid fire 10 at the end. Yeah. That one was a little bit. But that just tells me if we have a similar number of giveaways the last year or more that we need to do more of them in our pre-show. Yeah. Before we get to before. And that's why I said, like they're going to have like this big three and a half hour, four hour event on kickoff night. We might be streaming five, six hours before that and already have given away, you know, 50 items before we even get to their thing. So that's kind of the why I said we're going to have our own show that kind of goes into summer game fest shows. So, including special guests, by the way, I plan to have a lot more special guests this year coming on and talking and kind of doing pseudo mini Q and A's and podcasts. And I'm not going to say interviews per se, but. Um, I see any questions there? Do you want to answer? The N64 controller, is it a must for the N64 expansion pack? I mean, for me, yeah, because that thing is just, I played my cousin's kid in Mario Kart and he made the mistake of giving me the 64 controller. Whoops. Whoops. Yeah, it, I wiped the floor with him. Give us those joysticks and knock off joy cons and take my money. Yeah. It's a bit harder to do that because you need so much space for these. It's hard to make knock off joy cons that aren't going to be really awkward looking. You mean like some of them that are already there? Is it a leak controller? What, what a leak controller are you talking about? You gotta be more specific. You should have just thought through that better. That's okay. I'm glad you brought it up because it was obviously you felt like it was a bit frenetic and a little crazy but it was sort of intentionally so because guess what that did? That also helped drive the hype. That also helped drive the excitement and kept people engaged, which is way the hell more than we can say for easy. I mean, to be fair, some of it was just flying by the seat of her pants. Oh yeah, why not? Hey Eric, have an item play. Grab an item. I'm bored right now. Grab an item. Right? Not going to lie. Some of it was just pulling it out of her ass but. Let's be honest. If we're bored, they're bored. Oh, 100%. Let's take care of that boredom and give something. But that was also kind of part of my plan going in. I wanted it to be sporadic because I know how boring some of those things can get. I know. That is the one thing we do have to figure out how we're actually going to do giveaways to you still. But, sure as hell you're going to involve Twitter. Mojo Horizon, would you be able to get a Nintendo sponsorship? Absolutely not. Nintendo doesn't buy sponsorships. They give you the privilege to be in their little program where they'll send you games. Nintendo don't pay people. They'll pay for ads on YouTube. They'll pay for ads at Super Bowl. They don't pay content creators. They don't sponsor. So, not going to happen. Not going to happen. I kind of sort of don't want it to happen. Just be honest. There's nothing that's going to create more of a bias with a channel than saying, hey, we're sponsored by Nintendo. Oh, how can you be critical of Nintendo then? Because if you were critical, they wouldn't sponsor you. I mean, yeah. You're not wrong. How can you continue to drink on life? Do you want to get to change your content? Man, you better not swear. You better always be family friendly. I'm not exactly the sort of image Nintendo wants to project forward. Not saying that I'm the worst guy on the planet, but it's, they want a family friendly image at all times. And I'm more of a, hey, this is real life image, you know? Like I'm a real person. I'm, I do have a family. I am a parent, but guess what? Parents don't always want to just be family friendly all the damn time. They want to be adults and say adult things and talk about adult things and not just, oh yeah. Yeah. Let's go play some Mario party. Woohoo. Hey, we might, I might do that. We might do that. We might do that. Fine. Then you know what I'm going to do? Shots. Every time someone gets a star, everyone does a shot. Everyone starts avoiding getting stars. Yeah, right. Shit, I'm buying a star. 20 stars later. Would you like to buy a star? No. 20 stars later. Oh. No. No, definitely no. You can send me a pick of anything. Yeah, I want to see. I want to see. Wow. Wow. You have a Hylian shield coming my way. Careful with saying anything. I mean, you can send me a pick of anything. I might not respond. I might ban you. Or I might just say, man, that was impressive. Well, that's like you're not impressed. Congratulations. Do you think with the fabled Oracle of Seasons remake this year, I don't think so. A little too far from your max. What? When is your max 40? Who the heck is GMM? Hello? Please stop trying to mimic GMM. Streamer is super cringe. I got some news for you, Preflate. One, two, three. I don't watch anybody else live stream. Who the hell? I can't intentionally mimic somebody that I don't watch. And have no clue who the hell it is. You're not getting a mimic. You're getting me. Maybe they're mimicking me. Are they talking? Are they talking about Rhett and Link with Good Mythical Morning? Good Mythical Morning. Yeah, with Rhett and Link. You know, Rhett and Link. Do they live stream? I haven't watched one of their videos in ages. Yeah. Is that what you mean? Maybe. Good morning, Mario. That's not a live stream. That's a show by SwitchForce. That's a new show. What are you talking about? No clue. Oh, yeah. I know this. I don't know why the hell you say it. I don't know. Whatever. I've never seen it. I had no clue. I just Google search GMM. Eric knows me. I'm just myself, man. Yeah. Yeah. This is what you get. It's Zach mimicking me. His name is Zach. The guy who runs SwitchForce. 15 shots. Come on, Netsu. With a few swigs from the bottle. I mean, don't forget. Put a little tequila on top. Oh, boy. And then put some whipped cream on me and spank me and call me. Oh, boy. Things are getting spicy. These are the things that Nintendo will not talk about. Good morning, Mario. It's cringe. Stop the cap. Yeah, oh, boy. Hey, one, we don't talk bad about other YouTubers on our channel. Birdman, you should know that. You are one of our moderators. You know the rules. We do not bad talk other YouTube channels. Starting there. Starting now. No, no. That's better rule I've had all the time. We don't bad talk other YouTube channels. And on top of that, I don't wanna ever hear anybody compare my channel to anybody else. People are gonna do it. It's only natural. Oh, well, yeah. I am who I am. You don't like it? Bullshit. I don't know what to tell you. I am who I am. You think what I do is cringe? That's cool. I buy into the cringe, man. I love the cringe. I eat cringe for breakfast. Seriously. If people tell me, like if people watch me on live stream and they see me do like a little dance like this or whatever and they go, cringe, I go, that's right, baby. It worked. That was the intent. You're just jealous. You can't do this. You're just jealous. No, you're just jealous. You don't have the confidence to look this stupid. Because if you're that confident in yourself that you're having that much fun, who's really enjoying their life? The person who's willing to look stupid in front of thousands of people and just not care and have fun, or the person that's gonna be cringe, you, I can't watch. Oh my God. You're so lame. I'm like, maybe you're just boring. I mean, this is who I am. That's a different possibility. This is who I am. You know? Never really apologize for being me. See here. Would you rather play Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or Super Mario Bros. 1 on NES? Those are so fundamentally different games. Are you all right with that? I don't, I don't know. I mean, there is some, I'm kind of the nostalgia guy. So, then again, I don't know, they are so different. They both have their pluses and minuses and yeah, I don't know, I can't answer that one. Depends. Do I want a single player experience or multiplayer? There is that, I guess. I'd probably just go Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Like, I have both of them on my Switch right now and I'd still rather play Mario Kart. As for putting, you know, GIF cut-ins in some of my videos. Dude, I've been using GIFs since before Zach was born. I'm just, I'm older than him, if you guys didn't know. I've been using GIFs since the 90s. So, if anyone's gonna come at me about using GIFs in videos, get over it. Dude, I've been using crappy memes since like the day I was born, man. Like, I was out there. I was the one pissing off a fellow YouTuber with a kick-my-dog reference which is an old school meme. Good Lord. From like, back in the late 90s, early 2000s. Like, dude, I've been using lame cringe memes since before most of my audience was born. At least based on what the YouTube metrics say. So, I'm not gonna stop doing something just because somebody else does it. Who cares, man? Other people also cover Nintendo news. Should I just stop doing that too? Like, you know. Would you, let me see here. Two days ago, I pre-ordered Nintendo's for sports from GameStop. Damn it, Pinecone 531, I'm just kidding. Should've used my Best Buy affiliately. Pre-order from wherever you want, man. Especially if you're getting digital. If you get digital from GameStop, you can double up, you can get GameStop points and you can also get gold points from Nintendo. You can double up your kickback. I've been saying that for years. Um, you guys have a better system set up for keeping track of the giveaways. Eric, you wanna answer that one? Not yet. Did we have had discussions? Yeah. We've discussed the pros and cons of multiple different ways. And nothing really satisfies what we want. And you could argue well when nothing's as much worth making yourself. You're not wrong. But we ain't got the time to try to put together something that I would trust people to enter info into that wouldn't get hacked or leaked or anything. So I'm still gonna be reliant on third-party companies making things for us. I can't say this, we won't be using Twitter to submit like your evidence, your proof. We won't be doing that. That's one thing that we won't be doing, won't be repeating from last year. Cause now we have a separate giveaway email and we can just manage everything through there. But there's still a lot of ins and outs of over balancing people going to a link to enter versus people entering in the chat. We haven't really figured out exactly how it's gonna go and how we can start around people trying to fake wins. Yeah. Cause it happens every time. So. Now we had a handful last year. And I've had a handful since. So I think there's not really a perfect way to do it. We just do the best we can. So for some giveaways, we will have preset up links that we'll put out that people can enter with. And for some giveaways, it will be done still through the live chat. The exact methods of entry, the exact how people can claim their prizes, all of that's still being worked out. Especially for physical, and digital will be, that's super easy. Besides if we've issued the codes not working, which does happen. You wanna read that super chat there, bud? Uh, from Eric Winstead, fellow Eric. There we go. Hey, old bro, how's it going? I've only been playing, what is it, Temtem? Yep. So far on my PS5, but it's interesting. Waiting for Corona Cross tonight. Nice, man. I know you just got a PlayStation 5. It was just his 39th birthday the other day. Nice. Well, happy birthday, belated. Happy belated birthday. And enjoy that PS5, man. It's a great system. Great system. Your friend made it for you. All right, well, load up. I can't show the chat. I don't have it set up to do that right now. We will have it set up for our show. Oh, yeah, nice. Show the chat stuff. Through a message, probably. That is a pity. The company that made this controller was at E3 2019. And now that they know us and like us so much, we could have met up with them if there was an E3 booth. Sad day. And it's fun watching that company retweet our content. Yeah, right? I told you they like us. I wasn't kidding. Yeah. And that's the one. That is awesome. Is that a handmade one? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that. That was fully custom. They said their friend made it. That was great. That is fantastic. It's a mock up of one of Link's famous poses. Yeah. Nice. That's nice. And then one of the talents to make that. Wait, that's Klee? Holy cow. Nice. That's impressive. Suits this year. It's the plan. But we're gonna leave it at that. Swimming suits. Speedos. Speedos. Oh, God. It's a lump. No, we may have a special surprise with the suits, but I don't want to get to it yet because I haven't fully committed to it yet. I have to get through my other financial commitments for the show for my cruise. That's right. Okay. We'll hit Eric remember. Yep. Once I get, once I sift through all the finances for it and I see how feasible it is, we might have a very special get up for you guys. That is a suit. Technically it is a suit. Oh boy. But we're gonna not spoil anything. Just like we didn't last year. We didn't spoil it. We were gonna wear suits last year. This year it's like, oh, we're gonna wear suits. But I mean, you know, we got to step it up. So just wait, okay? Because I'm not sure exactly how it's gonna come together yet. Because again, there's a lot of financials involved with the show that we're doing. And obviously I have a cruise, like a week after the show I have a cruise. So there's a lot that goes into it. Um, where there'd be pants with sets. But once we're in, we would have pants. I don't know if we'd keep a mile in the whole time. Okay. No, we probably would since part of the stream we'll be walking around for and standing up. Well considering we're wearing short slash. Well yeah, this is what we weren't really getting up. This year, like the given idea, we're using both sets this year. And my, you guys know the live streams I do normally that have the motion camera. That motion camera is gonna be involved in some of the stuff we're doing. There's a potential we might be using three different cameras at any moment during our show. And both sets could appear at the same time. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Maybe some of our gamefests will evolve into what E3 once was. And until there's an in-person event, we can't even begin to speculate on that. Maybe you two can switch costumes from time to time based on your games or penalties or themes around what's live. Mario Kaepernick, yeah, I don't know about that. I usually don't wear a hat for the show. Multiple reasons, one, it gets really hot because we're in front of studio lights the whole time. So like, and the suits we would get would be fitted to us. So like his suit wouldn't fit me, my suit wouldn't fit him. So that wouldn't really work. That's the air we're gonna get up. I just wanna get an exclamation on the cost. Yep. But the first thing I'm doing is calling around a couple places to see if they carry anything like it to get exact measurements. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. So we make sure they fit. 100%. But, oh boy. If we pull this off, it's gonna be... I'll decide if we rent them or if we buy them. If we pull this off, this is gonna be... It's gonna be great. Fan-freaking-tastic. Are we wearing pants right now? Ah! What'd she like to know? I'm always pants-free on the podcast. For organizing giveaways, you mentioned you have an email for it. Why don't I try to make folders for the prizes of the winners of one? That way it could be easy. I could tell you right now, I'm not making 400 plus folders. It's just not happening. That part's not the issue. It's the... That part's like, literally here's what happens. Like right now, when I have a giveaway thing in that email, that email comes in, I immediately go and check the email and I say, I got different categories. One is sent, so if we sent you the item, like we sent you the code, we sent the item, gave you the details on it. I literally mark it as sent and it goes into a sent folder. The other one says still owed. So like, when the initial email comes in, you haven't got your prize yet. So it instantly gets marked as still owed and then once it's sent, we mark it as sent. So I know every giveaway that hasn't been paid out yet right now, I know because it's still marked and there is still owed. And that's how I keep track right now and it seems to work just fine. And a lot of the stuff that, like all the digital stuff should be taken care of almost instantly. It's the physical items that take a little bit. It's also verifying actual winners' information and making sure we're not getting scammed. Yeah. That is the number one issue. Yeah. That we're letting into four people DMing and emailing all of them with similar looking claims to a win. People try scamming legit, especially on the expense of items. People try scamming. It just is what it is. When I gave away the PS5, Xbox Series X and Switch OLED last week. Oh, I emailed the winner. But because I said the person and showed the person's name on screen in that stream. Oh, magically I had five emails to my inbox trying to claim the win. What was funny about those five emails to my inbox is none of them matter because I had the personal email of the winner. So like, it was obvious to know they were scams. But even in that situation, people tried scamming. So like, that's just how it goes. Nintendo Academy had a thing where you threw some up, what, you mean this? We talked about it earlier in the show. All right, I think that's probably gonna wrap it up. Oh dude, I got another idea. Yeah, you don't understand. I got another idea. The bigger my channel gets, the more people try to scam. I got another couple of ideas. Oh, this is gonna be fantastic. I like when someone else comes up with ideas because sometimes the well runs dry because I'm constantly making content as it is, let alone trying to think of future stuff. All right, well, I think that's going to do it. We did have a $5 super chat at the very beginning of the show. No, we did. Yes, we did, yes, we did. I don't remember what it was. Let's see if I can actually hope we'll be able to find it. I wanted to get to it before the end, but I can't scroll up high enough. Oh, son of a biscuit. So whoever that was, thank you so much. You know what, sometimes I can double check on. Let me load up my app here. Sometimes it'll say it on here. See, I'm sitting at my streaming computer and I don't have it set up right now where I can read my computer. But I'm going to try double checking right here. Sometimes it'll show me on the back end here. What, that $5 super chat was? And then we're going to wrap up the show, guys. I want to thank you guys so much for tuning in. Make sure you go subscribe to our on the channel, our podcast channel. Let's see. We had a, it is not showing. Well, whoever it was, thank you so much for the support. I obviously appreciate it. All right, guys. You guys are awesome. I would appreciate if you guys would go on Spotify and or Apple podcasts, or wherever you prefer to listen to podcasts and leave a review of the podcast because the more reviews we get, not just how high the reviews are, I'm not going to tell you what to rate it. You rate it, give it your honest rating. You think my show sucks. Give it a zero star, I don't know. You think it's awesome? Give it a five, I don't know. You guys rate it however you want. I just appreciate the reviews because the more reviews we get, the higher chance there is for new people to discover us on those platforms. So you guys are awesome. Thanks for tuning in. We'll catch you next week for episode 46 with a new special guest. Peace out. Later.