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Yeah, I tried a new a new supplement again I've talked about Agmatine before if you guys heard of this no affiliation anything, but it's no I would remember if you actually so it's in some pre-workout Supplements, it's this sounds like a terrible like superhero. Sounds like it's like generic Argonine. Yeah, wow close It's a metabolite of Argonine. Okay. Yeah, so it's a neural modulator It decreases depression in some studies. It decreases the perception of pain. In fact, mm-hmm It helps with Withdrawal from opiates, so people they've done studies of people who take opiates addicted stop taking them Take Agmatine helps me increases nitric oxide a lot So it's it's what so in terms of animals are in human human studies, too So if you want to like get a better pump, hmm, then there's almost nothing that I've seen that According to the literature is as good as this besides pharmaceuticals Anyway, threw a little bit into my pre-workout cocktail and I loved it Wow got a great pump and I could tell it's got a little bit of a stimulant effect So I feel like it was so maybe if someone's a little sensitive to stimulants But it's not like caffeine or well That's kind of how I felt about the you know organifies like the red juice with the root powder or whatever like that stuff like For me is always given like that great energy without the stimulants involved And that's I've recommended it multiple players on the team because like that's a big concern I like it too. They don't want the caffeine Agmatine is definitely more of a stimulant than the red juice the red Yeah, red juice is actually good way to get off stimulants, right? If you're going off stimulants do the red juice for a little while to help with the side effects Agmatine is like it's not like caffeine not nearly as strong But it's definitely got some stimulatory effects and it read in studies It shows that it reduces the perception of pain which is probably why it helps the opiate withdrawal But I tell you what dude This is the second time using it in it before my workout and holy cow I could so how do you stumble across this like randomly like do you have like some kind of wheel at home of supplements? Agmatine you want a bunch of forums. That's probably what you're budget Well, there's a couple different ways one way is to I like to go through popular supplement Companies and look and see what ingredients they're throwing in there and then researching every ingredient to see what the deal is So that's one way to do it the other one is to go on to forums Agmatine is in some pre-workout supplements And so I wanted to to do a little bit more research and buy it by itself to add it to see if I noticed a difference And I did one gram so a thousand milligrams, which I think is on the higher end of a dose But I mean I could tell man and I got like I said, I got a great pump I think negative you foresee potentially yeah because it's got this kind of neuro modulating effects And it's mildly stimulatory I could see you building a tolerance and then have it in going off and feeling But I don't know there's only my second time using now How how consistent are you with your pre and post stuff? Like I see you on your day of your your life story thing that you do I see that some and sometimes it's different Sometimes I see you using forcing mad stuff. Sometimes I see you using the bone broth protein Sometimes I see you use an organ file. I mean you seem very inconsistent with what you're consistently taking something I got that part, you know Yeah, so do you are you always kind of manipulating and playing or oh, so I'm yeah, so I rotate with whatever cordyceps I'll rotate that in Organifies red juice if I'm dropping stimulants. I'll do that Ashwagandha, I'll rotate that in sometimes so sometimes yes sometimes not caffeine is pretty consistent Unless I'm going off of stimulants beta alanine I'll mix that in there sometimes and then I'll throw in weird stuff like you're really mild with the caffeine though Right like you don't do very many milligrams. You're not like Justin and I know most I'll take in a day is about 300 milligrams Most you'll get you'll get that high even though one that that's all day. I won't do more than that So I know you guys will typically have at least a couple doses of that right today Yeah, well Justin's a couple doses that I'll normally have one big dose like that Which would be the rock star or a pre-workout so you'll have like I never do both So if I do if you see me drink a rock star in the morning, I'm not doing a pre-workout later on But if you don't see me drinking any caffeine in the morning time, you might see me do a pre-workout So I'm probably I don't think I peek over right now 400 so I'm not that much higher. Okay. Yeah, that's actually not bad because 220 is a rock star Yeah, and if I and I have my cup of coffee, maybe I have two cups of coffee sometimes So you're talking about Yeah, so I would say bad at all. Yeah, like 250 Yeah, well not that high. No, I don't think it's that depends how big the nitro is. Oh, yeah Oh 20 Yeah, maybe Doug can look up. I was thinking that little nitro. Yeah, I was a little six ounce eight ounce thing we drink You're talking about 20 ounces. Oh, yeah, and then probably rocks are like another coffee You're fucking like a thousand Coffee I would love to see the caffeine content of nitro grande though Doug if you can find it I've done two of those a day before you have yeah, I think it's closer to 300 for for something that big with the nitro Oh, yeah, let me see 12 ounce. Well, that's regular coffee. Oh, yeah, that's cold. That's cold brew It's got to be over There's an actual website that gives you the caffeine Right there. That's enough for me to tell. Yeah, it's like 350 for 12 ounces. Yeah, you're right That's a good guess Speaking of workouts on stuff the Olympia happened recently Follows a strong word I peeked in I peeked in a little bit. Yeah, I was just I like to see what's going on You know what I you know, okay, so you know is really impressed me So they have now they have of course the mr. Olympia, which is like the biggest most muscular freaky whatever looking guys, right? Yeah, big Rami again. Yeah big huge like just crazy looking and then they have the classic which now it's like and it's I don't know 50 or maybe live broadcasting this. Yeah. Yeah, like a live stream. Okay. Yeah You can watch it live, but I follow pages and they'll post like what's going on And the clap the mr. Olympia the mr. Olympia classic see bum. Yeah Chris Bumstead, right? Yeah Now that's supposed to be more of a classic kind of throwback 80s Maybe 70s kind of look maybe a little leaner than that great physique Chris Bumstead great physique And you know what he does regularly. I know and I this is what I'm such a fan of him right because we talk about this all Time and there's still a lot of these knuckleheads That are in that space that don't deadlift and don't squat. He's not that guy He's pulling serious way. He squats and he has an amazing physique He is he actually has probably my favorite I have and that's not to knock or to say anything like the big Rami those guys or Phil Heath are fucking Insane, right? But I never in my life would I ever even want to look that big, right? So he's got a physique like he's like that. That's like the peak of what I'd ever want to look like same Yeah, and in what you he actually incorporated if I'm not mistaken deadlifts and squats later To bring up some of his body parts. Oh, I didn't know that it made a huge difference in his back Oh, he would be great talk to you just because of that. Yes, and you know, it's funny. You're right There's there's knuckleheads that talk about how deadlifts don't really work the back or they really don't work other body Dude, some of the most winning is bodybuilders of all time like Ronnie Coleman Deadlifted regularly and he had the most impressed impressive looking back of all time There's plenty of evidence that that exercises phenomenal for developing when I was competing I'm completely stopped doing all of their back exercises. That's all I did and it was the best back I ever brought the stage. So I don't give a shit what anybody says. They're so they're stupid They're stupid if you got someone who's still arguing that to people that oh Deadlifting is not for your back like yeah, it's it's not you're right. It's not an isolation exercise 100% It's not okay So there's lots of isolation exercises that are out there for the back that it kicks the shit out of so totally If you get to a place where you're pulling four or five hundred plus pounds I guarantee you have a sick back show show me somebody who deadlifts 500 pounds and does not have a sick doesn't have at least a well-developed. Yes all of them. Yeah, you have to I know It's ridiculous. Yeah, you see that one guy's flair, though Speaking right side bus this kind of say We're trying to like chime in here What if Justin was like undercover like you went to his like his garage his like his room posters He's like teardrop quads I actually didn't see much though other than I saw our boy do are you placed eight? Oh, he looked great I love Ari. Oh, he does look he looks really good, dude. I just got a cat. I mean talk about he's on like his fifth Appearance, I think at Olympia. It's so time-consuming. Oh, it would just it's all day. Yeah all the time training That's like a couple hours a day. It's the diet. Oh my I remember when you were doing it It was what a pain the ass you were Yeah, you know, it's please it you just reminded me that when we're talking about leaving right now You're like, we're gonna eat. I'm like, bro You just ate right now And I can only get me because I remember being that asshole where it's just like all every time we anyone talks about doing anything I'm like, whoa, wait. Where are we going? You're doing it. I said, hold on. Let me let me eat I gotta eat. No, you're mixing it up. I enjoy eating for the social I do try to be social. I'm gonna hang out with you guys. We're trying to hit the road right now You're like, we're not trying to sit down be social for an hour. We're getting out of here You're always in a race. You're gonna get there before the time. There's no time I don't want to sit in traffic Tell me I bet neither one of you. I know you didn't watch this probably you not either and I know you didn't either what? The Tyson fury so the very wilder fight. Yeah, I think I saw the knockout wanted to watch Yeah, I saw the end best boxing fight I've ever seen in my life. That's what I heard Hey, by the way, you saw it. Yes, by the way Tyson fury an example that you don't need to look aesthetic like You're crazy physique to be a good fighter. You know, I mean the guy looks like Bro, he's I mean, I think this solidified him as greatest all time and a lot of people gonna freak out about that because Muhammad Ali's right there, too Right you can make the that's how dominant he is. How big is he? Is any huge guy though? Oh, bro He's 280 to two between 260 and 280. I can't remember what he Both these guys have like knockout power. Oh, he was able to starch him when in a and I would like to see this Because I don't know what I don't think they talked about this, but maybe Doug to look this up I don't know if you know what to search. Okay five Knockdowns in a heavyweight fight that goes to the 11th round with a knockout in the left Just imagine that first that doesn't happen to heavyweight guys with knockout and the both times accounts were seven to nine Yeah, you know if you get down once it's usually it. Oh my god, bro. It was so really such a good fight Now where's he from yeah, I'm fury. Yeah, is he American? No, no, no, no, he's from the UK. Yes Yeah, yes, I thought he was part of like kind of the the carnival like yeah gypsy king That's what I call him. Yeah, really? Yeah. Yeah, do you know that? Do you know that fighting is a big part of that culture? Oh, yeah Documentaries about that. Yeah bare knuckle how they settle their differences still one of my favorite documentaries all time called knuckle You still haven't seen it have you you show me I saw like clips But can I just tell you that you would fall in love with that of course you would love it so much Yeah, it's not even funny. Well, I'm so surprised you haven't seen it like like you You know you kind of sort of feel this attachment towards like Italian culture stuff like to me That's like, you know it between Scottish and Irish kind of folklore. I'm like only well I just love I just love the way that they I mean there's there's I love seeing how there's always honor and rules that are Around this very violent. Yeah way of handling, you know, sit you live by a code. Yes. Yeah, it's very interesting I love that. Anyway, you guys don't wish me a happy Columbus Day. So I'm feel a little Columbus slum is that why there wasn't traffic today. Hey, oh, I was like man. I thought for sure. I'm gonna be late today So I know we're this will probably air past Columbus Day But I can't just tell you right now that Columbus Day has become the day where you can just talk shit about What has been hijacked? Why is that true? Is that true? I mean, okay? What does that have to do with because it be every people I we need to like not celebrate Columbus Day because he came here and killed all these People was that the do the Italians because Columbus Christopher Columbus Italian, even though he was a Spaniard wasn't he representing? I guess he's representing. Oh, I didn't know that you don't know Italian celeb celebrate Columbus Day No, I didn't realize that he was Italian. He's he's Spanish. Yeah, technically. I know but I think like but here Okay, here's a deal. This makes me So he's Spanish, but he's recognized by Italians as Italian and so it's a big deal in Italy And that also caused everyone to talk shit. Yeah, okay Italian celebrate it big time on the East Coast especially. It's a huge Columbus Day. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a big deal But you okay, so here's a part that annoys a shit out of me and yes, I know what Columbus did I know they came here I know that there are people that lived here already and they killed a lot of them I know that I'm not saying that's a good thing, but man We if we judge every single historical anyone by that criteria. Nobody nobody passes the Nobody does no nobody in fact indigenous. I don't care. I don't want to encourage any more cancel culture I feel like that's just encouraging that so well That's what they're already trying to do they're trying to cancel Columbus day like crazy I just look into the history of the Comanches. You know, that's pretty inconvenient Do you see their cancel trying to cancel John Gruden right now why over like in like an email sent like 10 years ago Had nothing to do like he was and they're trying to hold like the NFL They're trying to hold the Raiders accountable to like hold him accountable. Really? Yeah He was in some legal dispute or whatever and he sent an email out and it was I think it had some sort of a Racist slur and there's ten years old not he was not employed by the NFL at the time And he was not with the Raiders and yet cancel culture is trying to get the Raiders and the NFL to hold him accountable for something like So here's your okay, I know ridiculous So here's the thing that you have to be careful with this this new this way that we cancel people and you know based off of Things ten years ago 20 years ago five years ago is If a camera followed you around and recorded you for your entire life Nobody nobody would would come out scot-free Everybody would be fucked and what this is why you have to be careful. It will be used against you I promise it will and here's your here's some of your evidence It's happened in the Hollywood people are totally really interesting to watch. It's so stupid. It's all good So that it turns back on you. Oh, yeah, and again, here's your evidence that it's that it's politically This is all like politically driven. You don't see cancel culture directed in particular areas for example, and I'm just gonna pick The Democrats because they're easy targets here They were the ones that fought to maintain slavery. They're the party that founded the KKK. They were the ones that Fought to to filibuster the civil rights movement. Why aren't they ever why aren't they ever cancel? That's a bad example Why because you're you just took something that you're drawing a conclusion on a no, no, you're right I'm using the ridiculousness. No, but I mean you're yeah, but you're also you're not using an individual using a party Parties aren't canceled. Oh people are being canceled. Oh, they'll cancel people just for affiliation for certain things No, they'll cancel a person for that, but you're saying why is the Democrat Party being canceled? I'm just saying it's never It's a bad example to use another individual. No, they'll use entire groups They'll say oh you belong to that that group over there again of that person They will demonize that you're talking about the individual you're referring to a party being canceled That's not gonna happen. Well, I mean, why not? Look at okay. How about this? Do you know who founded Planned Parenthood? The lady Margaret Sanger. Yeah, what her history is. Yeah, I know that that I know But she's still lauded as this wonderful person my point is that now we should go back and cancel these people My point is that this is a very strange criteria and Nobody will ever pass this so you have to be very careful with I think it's super ridiculous You're not gonna go back in history and find anybody well It's yeah, it's promoting the the idea that there's like some people are pure Yeah, like there's this purity out there, which again, this all like boils back down to a religious ideology So if you're gonna talk about what this looks like to me Mr. Colt guy, okay This looks exactly like a cult that you know now they found Sort of their their talking points and their things that they want to decide that they don't like and they're gonna like impose Their ideology out there, you know, and it just it resembles exactly that same sort of blueprint That you're never gonna be good enough and they could find an angle in there to expose that I think this is what's that? What was that study? I was asking you about the other day that where the people stand up and everybody starts standing up What's it? What's the name? Oh, I know what you mean Could you find that Doug because I want to use that as an example for because that's I feel like that's what's going on here I feel like what and whether the intentions were good or not with a lot of the things that we started to do I think everybody's just falling suit because they don't want to be the person who doesn't fall in line It's yeah, they're just falling in line because they don't want to be that person I mean you even see that now with all the I have a lot of people that are friends of mine that have that work for like big companies and stuff and Everybody's like following suit with like the pronouns and everything on there And I and it's like I don't think it's because necessarily every one of those CEOs maybe You know believes that or thinks that's the smart. They don't want to be fucked. It's pretty much like a popular belief Yeah, it's just because everybody's standing up. We better stand up You know say because I don't want to be I don't want to be the one company who doesn't do that And then we have some employee come out and then get sued Maybe I feel like there's a lot of that going on with this this woke culture is that in even like I said Even if it was rooted and with some good idea a good idea originally to like help Minorities or any anything like that or protect people I think what's happened is that it's just be turned into this thing where everyone's just I'm gonna stand up Cuz I don't want to be the one person it's called the waiting room experiment. That's the name Yeah, better name for I thought there was like it. I thought it was like a it's it's a social experiment on human behavior They've done other ones too where people are in an elevator And they're all facing like sideways and someone walks in the elevator, you know They're all actors the walk and then they'll naturally face sideways like everybody else I saw a great the great waiting room experiment one were like a bell with Dean Yeah And it was so it's like a big waiting room and there's like there's like 20 people in there And there's like one or two actors that are in on it And they start up like the bell with ding before the doctor came out after the next patient and as soon as the bell would ding They would just stand up and then what would happen is like as as an as an as new people came into this room Yeah, everybody before you know it like the third person and the fourth person then everybody's like standing up Especially when I got to a place where like, you know The new person walks in and like almost all of them already stand like instantly that person stands up Where and it was neat to it's neat to watch the progression the first time that they said the one or two people stand up People kind of look around like oh, are you supposed to do that? And then they are yeah And then after a while when the majority is doing it. Oh, it's the first right away. They don't even twice I saw my first example of of this, you know in terms of my own sphere And I didn't really want to bring us up because it was like I'm like, oh, here we go You know why why did this? become you know portrayed as Like necessary right so I was at the homecoming for the game and they're announcing the winners for the homecoming court and First of all the announcer is just like this isn't like not gender specific and well I'm like, what are you talking about not gender specific? We have a king and a queen like this is like a prince and a princess like this is already established, right? And so no now what they decided to do was to Basically they had the prince princess But now there was two kings that got awarded so and and it's not even like you know, they were pushing it anything It's just like they just decided Because of like this this popular thought that this needed to be you know an example of like hey We're progressive or whatever the case Meanwhile, I'm like why don't you choose two queens because the guys don't give a shit about this to begin with? Took away these poor girls dreams So what's so progressive about having two two kings instead of one king because you don't have it's because then it doesn't matter What gender yeah, so now these poor girl they built these fancy dresses like they spent a lot more money and guaranteed on their clothes You know I mean and they're just like yep, sorry. We've got two kings this year. They got to do a little dance together Yes, it's a male conspiracy theory like we're gonna win everything. Yeah We can't take over this dude You want to hear some more this so this is this is a left, but it's also ridiculousness So there's this new have you guys heard of this cucumber cleanse that's going a little viral that doctors are warning about so it's a cucumber cleanse and Apparently it was going viral for a second and people doctor was like don't don't do this. This is not good for you So here's what it is you take a cucumber you peel it and You insert it into your vagina and twist it around. Whoa, and you bring it in and out and it cleanses the yoni I don't know what the hell the yoni is. I guess that's a lot of cucumber water. Yeah, they suggest it resets your pH balance So apparently this is a this is a cleanse now I feel like it's like naming shit you want to do to make it sound like you know, I mean, no, this is a cleanse I like right. I like to put a cute like Yeah, this yeah, so we just wanted to make a video. Yeah, and this like hey, this is a thing now I feel like you could sell almost anything by making it sound good and you'll have people put things in their body Just cuz you did yeah, exactly speaking of selling and good that just reminded me of our sponsor public goods and Doug I've been meaning to ask you this so I almost have converted almost all all soaps detergents In my house to the public's the one thing I toothpaste all that stuff The one thing I haven't converted to yet is a razor and I thought I heard you say that you've done that Are you using their razor yet? Yeah, I have for probably six months or so. Okay. What do you think? I love them. I have two of them one of my house and one of my travel bag And so I I buy the the blades. I think it's a buck for like five of them Wow, so it's very inexpensive. So one of the things is is making sure you're always changing out your blades Otherwise I get dull right and at a dollar. It's you don't have any second Have you guys ever seen Doug was stubble? I was just thinking about no, that's why he's a good person ass That's never always like baby soft skin. So they're they don't feel like the cheap like no They don't at all big ones. They're super nice and sharp. Really. Yeah. Oh, what do you shave? Huh? What do you shave my neck my line? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean obviously Vicki comes in and takes care of us on Monday So whatever but shout out to her. She gets us looking good. What's the name of her what are her faded faded? That's in San Jose. Yeah, he's capital expressway capital expressway the best place to get lined up or whatever But yeah, no, I still I still after about like three or four days I'll start to get the stubble and then I'll I'll still I'll line it up when you were doing when you were competing Who shaved you did Katrina shave your body or did you shave myself? Even your I would not make my I don't have a lot of hair on my back part really You don't have to ask. It's because you got you got the big shorts. That's right. Yeah Yeah, you don't have like a lot. I mean so you would have shaved legs and then a little hairy on butt I don't know. I have I did never get it like a real good snapshot. It's like a reverse career How do they decide because there's like the dudes and thongs like what's that category? Nobody competes in a thong not thongs you mean like a bikini What are you watching Don't find mr. Olympia and Pornhub Justin The bikini briefs are you talking about that? Yeah, I don't know that's all that's everybody But men's physique men's physique are the ones where shorts everybody else is in bikini break Yeah, classic and and your traditional body He is right though that the trend started where they would give themselves a wedgie So they did that and it got popular with Sal's guy talks to Sal talks about him all the time was like the first sparring Yeah, was the first guy to ever have like striated glutes Which means if you get your if you get so I'm it's like one of the fattest parts of your body, right? So if you get your glutes lean what you say especially Justin clap, but that's pH Yeah, if you show striation in your glutes, you are lean as fuck So that's it got popular once bodybuilders and and competitors got to the level that they could get solely before that They couldn't get that lean. Yeah, I don't even really judging on that. It's just like brownie points It's like a way of showing like look how lean I am. Okay, Doug Can you can you pull up put Ronnie Coleman striated glutes? Okay, have you guys ever seen have you ever seen this fucker flex and when he was in his prime and he does the striated glute pose You gotta see It's it's crazy look Powerful, bro, that's ridiculous. He could he could shoot a bullet out of that thing lovely That's insane looking it. It is a muscle, right? But insane. I know so much more impressive than anybody right now I feel like oh, yeah, there's his weight look at his waist compared to his his like how wide his back is Yeah, his waist looks crazy. Yeah, that's a ridiculous amount of muscle dead lifting like 800 pounds heading into Talking about you guys. Yeah Yeah, you know what though? I don't know where they would that's thought that sport is so extreme I don't know where they would where they would go. There's a lot. Have you there's a lot of deaths that have been happening in that sport? Yes, someone else just passed away. Yeah, they think it's from deretic you so a lot of people don't know this But yeah, it's one of the darker sides of besides all the other drug use that you know Including anabolic steroids and growth hormone stuff is they'll use deretics Before competition and deretics are like they're used for medical conditions that suck the water out of your body And that can cause your heart to fail or your muscles to seize up There was one competition in the 90s Paul Dillett. I think was on stage Was posing and his body froze up They had to carry him off stage in the back and so calorie depleted and everything like everything on top of that and then like Taking the water out so dangerous. Well, remember Adam would get sick before every show because every but a lot of shows That's what you said because your immune system. Oh, yeah. No, I was I was super it would I mean you figure right? You're depleted for that long along of a period of time for weeks and weeks and weeks and if it would come around the win It would be one winter time if I was competing and it was around winter time It was like almost guaranteed in prep. I would I would get sick Yeah, till this day whenever we get people who caught who ask a question if they think oh should I compete It's almost an always a no for me such a such a not good for you Yeah, sport to compete in yeah, I think I was really lucky that I did it at the point in my career that I did I don't think that it would have been good for me if I would have done tried to do something like that in my 20s I don't think I was in the right headspace to do something like that. Yeah, but speaking of things that Sal watches late at night. Oh, great. Did you guys see that? You know, you're watch running Coleman's glutes at night time. Do you guys see the VR strip clubs? Oh Wait a minute. Yes, wait, who's did you say clip or someone send a clip in our group text? I might have I don't know. Are these like video game? Yes, people or is it like real people? Yeah, it's like it's like video game avatars as of right now I mean, but it's so I saw much longer. I've you seen some video games where it looks like people so it's Yeah, I saw okay. I saw a clip. I don't know if you sent it or tagged me on it or someone did they still move Weird bro. It was this what is this it was this overweight 30-year-old dude That looks like he lives at his mom's basement and he his avatar is this hot elf chick That that's VR turns me Like just catfishing every dude like you can is that the one you saw I think so yeah I think I saw I actually after I saw it. I got interested because I don't see how much it was So I started to dig around I couldn't actually get to the bottom of it So maybe Doug you could help me find that but I was curious to like how expensive it was or how popular These things are but they're moving in that direction closer to the where you don't have to leave your room Yeah, I'm telling you it's like that's what's how especially with the what's gone on with COVID and the lockdowns and don't go See people and stuff like that We're already encouraging people to do that and the technology comes out to go. Oh, you know, it ain't so bad Yeah, they know I can do this all day home dude. I I watched three VR paradise what that looks more real right there You know what and the tech is only gonna get better. So they're gonna look more much Why does it say you're already? Saw boobies. Why is it say you're a subscriber? Did you really just say that like that? It's a it says welcome back Doug Liar you got credit Wow, you can actually choose what you like to look at wow look at that has like a sliding scale for breast size and bottom size Hey, what you dress her on the one hand We're trying to be like super progressive on the other hand It's like this is as bout as like you can objectify bodies as much what does it say by now Doug in the corner? What's that say? I can't read it from here. Yes by now. I know above that I can read by now What does it say or above that is what's the price? Oh, I'm looking for that right now. Oh, it's night Well, it's in euros interestingly 1999 euros for what? I don't know probably a month. Oh my god Oh, and I guess when you move your hands. Well because you have VR goggles on yeah, so you move around and then you could talk to them Wow, this is gonna get weird Wow, this is interesting. This isn't tank. I'm not gonna lie No, I don't want to experience this just cuz I want to see like does it isn't like I'm not a big strip club guys It is so I don't just evaluate. Yeah No, really Heat nothing here. I feel weird Here's the thing though look how oh my god. Wow Wow This is only gonna get more real looking and we're not far from it looking less You know virtual reality. We just made Andrew super uncomfortable Shot the websites. Yeah, yeah, no, that's crazy though, right? That is crazy I didn't know it was already I didn't know it was like that already And so the strippers are people too behind right? So that's the article that I saw that I probably share with you because you're referring to what I saw too So that is like a website where you go in you pay a monthly membership And then you have access to the and you can build those suits with the For the green screen where they had like the different tracking Sensors on them to do all those sexy moves Yeah, what I saw on the bill you think so yeah to build it what I saw in the commercial was there was a dude and he was the stripper No, he had yes, and like I said, he built the avatar. Yeah, so that's more like an interactive one Which I believe it'll go to that right. I think you'll see Eventually what will make because right now, you know, you're going into like a video game there What will make it probably more of a turn on for somebody is if you're interacting with another real person That's also in the virtual world right that the virtual world's more normal than the real world. What happened? What what's a speaking of crazy shit? I found this series on Netflix that I think only Justin would appreciate okay Have you seen it? It's oats studios and They're short films so like 20 minute or 10 minute films But all of them are sci-fi post apocalyptic based type film scratching my itch bro The first episode Sigourney Weaver is in it and it's like a post apocalyptic world with these aliens that oh my god, dude It's intense. It's really fun. It's really really interesting. I'm surprised you haven't seen it. Well. Yeah I mean, I've still getting in that foundation. Oh, yeah, how's that going dude? It's so good. Yeah I could totally see how again and Star Wars did take a lot because this was a series before stars existed So to your point of last time we brought it up with the Empire and all that There's gonna be a lot more verbiage and and similarities You know that they extracted from it, but I just the whole concept to me It's like really trippy and it's out there and it's like it's a fresh new story that like is original You know that I think you don't see that a lot people put a lot of money into that what episode are you on? I'm on episode four. I think current would you go back and rewatch the first four and then go forward totally Okay, cool because we're all gonna be going up together And I actually I mean again, it's heady and it's a little bit. It's not like actually pack You know, it's like it's building a storyline. Yes. That's a good one for us Give it I mean, I'm probably the least into that and I'd watch that with you guys I started clickbait with Jessica. So we watch. Oh, you did how far did you get we're on episode four? I think or three or four really good. Yeah, I think it's it accurately depicting the Social media tech. Yeah, Doug and I talked about this afterwards because he benched director I sent him over to it and it's I will give it C minus acting but a plus story Okay, so like I think the acting is kind of weak But the story is so good That it kept me coming back and I watched the whole thing and I think it's great I think the whole thing is great, but yeah, the acting was just kind of like a little cheesy or whatever I want I do want to show you guys because they're short episodes I do want to show you guys when we go hang out to work or whatever at night Let's I do want to show you some of the oats studios. Oh, I'm in dude. Yeah, it's it's really it's like the first one was really good I have another good recommendation for the audience as far as I tell you what and I feel like I'm eating crow here because I was One kind of shitting on Netflix as far as coming out with really good content Especially hitting some dude. Have you seen bad sport yet? I haven't seen that I just saw the preview for that another so and it's all these Like they're like sport stories that you knew a lot of people don't know about like I mean I'm I'm into sports and some of them like I'm like, oh, I kind of vaguely remember that they're like in the late 80s early 90s these like crazy stories that happened in sports very similar like I said to the And it's a this is different the other one was untold stories another kind of 30 for 30 very vibe Yeah, I got it's got that same kind of vibe where it's like these great documents short documentaries one hours one hour Documentaries on a specific, you know Subject or topic or sport of something that a story that you didn't know and some great stories that I had no idea about that We're just and it's shot really really well. Well, I got to give you guys a bit of an update with the whole football Situation so we have been it's been frustrating the last like two three games Like we've actually lost but like one touchdown or like a field goal. Oh, it's just it's just strong The third one I've never like lost three in a row. So to me that one really stung But turns out, okay So we were down to like the last minute in this this caused some controversy amongst the coaches even of like how to Strategically handle this kind of situation where basically they had the ball and they got up to like our 40 yard line and so they have like, you know 60 yards to go and Apparently they have a really strong kicker which like I kind of saw a little bit of one of my other friends He's a coach. He saw he had a really good leg on them. The other coaches didn't really see it You know that he had a great leg so their thought and philosophy behind it was to run the clock out and let them You know go for the long kick Then we would get into like overtime, right? And so that was sort of like we're like time out time out time out, you know trying to save time So that way we get the ball back even if they do score so we have one more chance, right? Right, so it's like the whole play-to-win or play not to lose type of strategies going on there But so what happened was they kick like is like a 46 yard fuel goal, right? It's a really long fuel goal especially for this is high school. Yeah, right kicks it flies. It's going in the air for days Score Wow, wins a game We review this later It did not go in what you have the you have the refs that are sitting right underneath exactly what the fuck Right Wow, so I'll have Andrew post right here. There's a picture, right? So the balls on its way you could see it literally now you can't see it because it's behind the goal post It wouldn't be behind the goal post it'd be in front of the goal post Wow Does okay does this high school high school have I imagine probably less refs than NFL But in the NFL when they kick a field goal you have a rough you like there's two refs You have two refs then there's they're standing right underneath the goal post so they can it has to basically go over their head Yeah, so so how did that even happen? Yeah, there was you guys had refs there like that Honestly, it's it's baffling to me because like even we saw it and it was such a long kick I think we're all just amazed that he kicked it so far And I think that just took over everybody's like whoa, and then oh like right when we saw they throw their hands up We didn't even think that you know it messed. That's the lizard people Yeah, so oh so that was even worse. I was like, oh, what a day dude, you know now I find out that So what's the record out right now because we were you out right now? So we have two wins. Oh, yeah, so yeah, so we're tuned three But you know the first two games were scratched because of we couldn't feel the team because of COVID Restrictions like dude this team has gone through the ringer I feel feel for them a lot because we've just had like, you know other kid like left us and went to our rival team Yeah, we've had other kids just drop out like we're literally down to no Alternates and everybody runs like every play and we're just like piecing it together And we're still fighting and these kids like still these games we should have won, you know That's what's so frustrating like they have the heart. It's just you know, like it's so limiting like what we can do right now Well, it's not but it sounds like they're all Getting benefit from it. They're improving and working together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean everybody's still like about it It's just like, you know, it's it's it's hard, you know, it stinks now when these games are going on and you're watching I know you personally I know you're normally a very calm measured individual But I know that what is under the surface is a raging inferno. Yeah, are you how are you at the games? Are you like the coach that's like are you very like chill and like yeah, I would guess you would you would call me the the coach that's sort of Almost ready to choke somebody out. Okay I'm very into it like it Ramps way up for me, and I just can't help it because it for me. It's just the association I want to get out there. I want to cause a ruckus and like I just you know It's hard for me to be on sidelines. Yeah, we still haven't come to a game So I think we need to do that. No, no, I want to go the last game Like I said, it's the rival game like we'll get you guys out We'll make we'll make whatever, you know push that we have left The game let's go Brandon Let's go That's the guy. You started dude I would love to start that Well I dare you dude Now if you guys actually watched the original clip Yes dude it's the best they ever seen in my life Oh my god it's freaking a lot I don't care what side you're on you should be able to laugh at that If not you're letting it go As you can hear the chants from the crowd Let's go Brandon You know reporter like just totally You know what the irony of that is It's only going to make it spread That's why it's so great She's trying to brush it out of the rug like it wasn't done Now you just made like a viral sensation because of that So great Well since you're going to talk about controversy One of you guys had in your notes And I want to bring it up That they passed a law for toys Gender Is that true? Who brought it? They're going to use some gem instead of focusing on Oh this is our place California preventing us from getting forest fires And you know like attacking the homeless problem And responding to it and did some stuff already He passed a law that said Every store that sells toys has to have An aisle with gender neutral Toys in it Which does nothing Kids want like naturally gravitate Towards what they want It just does nothing Okay so yeah let me get this correct So like a target now We'll have to have an aisle that is Dedicated To gender neutral children Gender neutral toys So Another great move for small business To now have to like you know account for that So what's it going to have in there? It's so funny in the pursuit Of being inclusive I feel like We're segregating us Even more It requires a gender neutral Toy section Now here's why this is annoying Because it's a lot of like Look at what we're doing and it's done There's so many things you could do And this is what you do To signal to everybody how much you care Also by the way I'm going to piss some people off Studies have been done on this Not just in humans but in primates as well And the toys People think that we give toys to our kids To make them be a particular way They've already done studies that show I'm sure there's some of that But most of it is driven from what kids Want to be in Boys tend to like Things and girls tend to like People or you know like dolls and stuff like that And that's just an evolutionary In fact if you talk to evolutionary Scientists they'll explain that I guess I'm still confused here What does the gender neutral toy Isle look like that's different than the other Isle rocks I have no idea I don't know that's a good question Puzzles and crayon That's where I'm confused right now Are they going to take toys that are like Okay this toy doesn't have a sex Because it's not a doll or a transformer Thing or whatever Ken is already there He doesn't have anything He's supposed to be a guy as far as I know So maybe there's going to be an Isle that will be dedicated to like Balls, a bat, a puzzle So here's why it's not going to do Anything because Target Is going to literally just take the toys That they already have in there That's what I'm trying to get at right now This makes no sense Because if you're the governor Now you get to say I made a law That required gender neutral Isle And it looks good It can't be that ridiculous There's got to be like some Desired outcome that's different The desired outcome is You always want to let Your kids creativity drive what they play with And you don't want to impose upon them What you think they should be playing with And I get that I get that but what does this do for that So let's pretend I'm one of those woke parents Who's like I've got my little two year old And I'm like I'm not going to tell him if he's a boy or girl yet I'm going to dress him in white all the time And then we're walking down the Isle And we're going to go get a toy and I'm like You know my Child that doesn't identify with anything else I'm going to stop him from going to the boy or girl Isle We're going to come over here to the The non-gender Isle and shop So I don't want to pollute her No one's going to do that No one's going to do that You're right you don't get it because it makes no sense Again the gender neutral toys exist And what they're going to do is put them in one aisle It's not going to do anything And they're still going to be trucks And they're still going to be dolls Because there's a market demand for this kind of stuff Connect four Yeah so it's not going to do anything But yes this is a law They just passed this law Can you believe that? In California which is Bleeding residents has a homeless Problem that's grown I think 70% in the last Four or five years Crime has gone up Tremendously, especially petty crime Because we've taken No small businesses left And they're like alright guys I know we're getting paid by the minute By tax dollars so here's we're going to solve something Right now we're going to pass a law Makes all these stores have to put all these Particular toys in one aisle Deal the toys anyway as long as it's under like 60 dollars you don't get a criminal fine Have you seen the videos of that? Okay because a lot of cities Like San Francisco passed a law So if you steal it's usually a big deal If it's under 900 dollars they don't do anything Something like that People are walking in and they're literally just When I tell friends that are like out of state And family that are out of state When I tell them like no this is like a real thing That happens in San Francisco where Literally someone will walk in there And everything They don't waste their time And they walk over with a trash bag And they empty under 900 dollars Worth of supplies Bathroom supplies and stuff like that And then they out their black trash bag They walk right out the door And they don't get stopped because if they get stopped The police officers pick them up Bring them in and let them out that same day And so it's a waste of police time It's a waste of the security guard I'll have two aqua persons please Yeah so my brother lived in San Francisco Filmed there was three people That walked into a store Filled up bags with deodorant And like you know bathroom supplies Filled it up And then when he left the store He had to walk home right So he walked around the corner Selling it I bet They had it on the floor laid out Selling them Can you believe this shit? Of course I believe it Because if I was homeless That's exactly what I would do Like easily take advantage of that What they should do Is they should pass a law Making an aisle of free stuff Here you go Here's the free stuff You know we know you're going to do it anyway Here you go Weird times Weird times We got that going for us Hey real quick I hope you're enjoying the show Look we are a fitness and health podcast But we also know that there's value In improving your quality of life Which means sometimes doing things That maybe don't look so healthy On the surface For example drinking alcohol Drinking alcohol can be a very healthy Practice when you do it with friends For the right reasons The problem is the day after you Tend to feel like crap Well there's a company called Zbiotics That makes a genetically modified This is the first only In the world Genetically modified probiotic drinks So it's literally designed These bacteria are designed To produce things That break down the 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the surgery I had put her on a Strength focused Pretty linear progression Anabolic-esque type Workout program And she was doing really well Her strength is doing Well as she's going up In weight And getting stronger Every session But we did her body fat About The beginning of August And she actually Went up body fat So my question is How do you increase A bariatric patient's metabolism I think I also put in my question Like would things like Aminos and other supplements In her case Be more important So if you could just speak on that Yeah a really good question So first thing I want to ask you though Is how did you do the body fat test Because you said she got stronger But her body fat percentage went up And I know body fat percentage tests Are notoriously challenging to do When people have a lot of body fat The larger they are And the leaner they are So when you get in the extreme ends The more inaccurate they are And the harder they are to track Yeah but don't you think that's I mean that's almost obvious That's what's going to happen If she had the surgery In the last year Or even two years She's losing weight like crazy Because her calorie intake She's losing just total weight Too fast Maybe But she got stronger That's why I want to ask How did you do the body fat test The first time And then each subsequent time Yeah so I do work at a studio I moved from a big box Gym that did in bodies With bioelectrical impedance To somewhere that does skin calipers So I was curious about getting her On an in body machine But we did calipers And you did calipers the whole time Yes And how much did her body fat percentage go up By like 4% Okay so that's within the realm of error But again what Adam's saying Could be true I mean losing that much weight The only thing is that her strength went up And honestly when you're dealing With that much weight loss That's really the main thing That I'm looking at Is are you getting stronger As far as the supplements are concerned Of course you want to work with her doctor Because they do have Pretty specific Nutritional requirements She's probably already on Multivitamins and other supplements But can amino acids And protein powders help this person In my experience Yes very much so Easily digestible protein That's easy to consume And convenient can help When somebody's stomach is so small Or they can't consume As much at one sitting Digestive enzymes can help So can amino acids But I would work with the doctor To make sure that this is all okay How many calories is she currently on right now And how long goes the surgery So I have her tracking But she's not very good at keeping it She seems to be around 1200 Sometimes can get to like 1250 It's pretty low And how long How long has she been on From the surgery Away from the surgery Removed from it Yeah how long ago was the surgery A little over a year Okay well there you go I mean that's Sal if someone goes down If someone was eating 3000 plus calories a day They do the surgery They're eating 1200 You can get stronger Especially since you've been training with them It's very normal For her to get stronger But she's losing weight At such a rapid rate That the ratio of muscle To fat is higher So that's what makes The body fat percentage go up Which is extremely Common with this situation So that's not I wouldn't be too worried about that That's how I'd explain that to her Is that listen We have dramatically cut your calories And even though we are Building some muscle And we are heading in the right direction You're losing so fast That it's very normal For you to also lose muscle Because we're no longer Feeding it enough calories To sustain it on your body So that's all normal Yeah I would be Entirely focused on performance I've worked with a few bariatric patients And essentially that surgery Forces you to lose weight And when it comes to supplements I always would work with the doctor Because you're not dealing with A normal digestive system anymore So there are special requirements But I would focus entirely on performance Make the whole thing about performance I wouldn't look at the scale First off she's going to look at the scale anyway She's probably already getting Tracked by the doctor She's very aware of how much weight She's losing or not losing Because that's why she did the procedure I would focus entirely on performance Stamina, strength, mobility And endurance And move in that direction Because in my experience It's already so body focused That if I keep placing focus on body It can oftentimes make it A very stressful situation And when you're dealing with somebody Who medicated themselves with food For so long What you don't want to do Is make an experience Something that may not be as enjoyable And I found that just focusing entirely On performance Tends to do a better job With this particular population of people I would also I would personally You don't need to probably Involve her as much I guess But I would definitely make an effort To keep her protein and take protein Because she's going to be so low calorie That making sure she's on a higher protein diet Will be muscle sparing for her Even though to Sal's point That shouldn't be the focus We don't need to worry too much about that It's inevitable that if you reduce your calories At that rate from the size That she probably was at before We're going to lose muscle too But to minimize how much muscle we lose I would be focused for you as a coach At keeping her protein and take You know But you could tie that to performance right So rather than saying eat more protein So you don't lose muscle or so you get leaner Say be stronger Exactly, we want to look at strength We want to see how strong you can get I want to see your performance And I think we need to increase your protein And take in order to do that And then shakes can be very valuable For people in this particular situation Because of the procedure that they had It's harder to digest food They don't have as much capability To have as much food at one time And liquid shakes can oftentimes Be something that helps quite a bit And here's what's happening is you were So low calorie that fat and muscle Is just coming off the body at such a fast rate At what point that will start to Especially if you're strength training If you're strength training Or you're getting adequate protein At one point Probably the fat loss will continue And then she'll start to kind of hold Her muscle mass And really that's kind of your indicator Of like you guys are really on the right path Is that you know she started to level off On the body fat percentage But I would She has She has Well and best to update since I wrote in the question A little under a month now She's been at the same weight Like she comes in She's like It is not budged This is so funny So I'm hopeful that like the next time We do the body fat percentage There might be a change in that composition But I don't know And again it's a different client I've ever worked with I told her to try to up her cow See I wasn't sure about Upping it with protein or carbs Because I know protein is very satiating And for her it's really hard She's already had I think it's called Dumping syndrome Which a bariatric patients can get And it's just they get really full And they feel sick kind of thing So I actually told her about like 200 calories surplus with carbs You're saying protein instead most likely Yeah proteins and fats I mean you know you want to get that But I mean if she feels better with some carbs That's fine Small meals throughout the day This is where the benefit of that is You know someone like this would be doing like Seven or eight you know snacks Throughout the day because Eating too much at once can cause problems Like you said with dumping syndrome I do want to go back to the body fat test though Because when you're testing Especially skim fold When I'm doing someone who's super obese The error that I can measure With that is tremendous Like how much should she weigh The first time you tested her Versus the second time you tested her Where was she when you first did her body fat test Yeah so she came in She was 186 186 and now she is Budgeted at 162 Okay well that's not too Heavy but you know So it's not as hard but it's Still interesting Yeah but again I mean I never tested body fat With bariatric patients I didn't mean We didn't even talk about that No that wasn't part of the conversation The focus with that they've Obviously took extreme measures To lose the weight At this point now as a trainer To be able to establish Building muscle as the main goal And objective and getting active Recovery with that and being able To implement these better habits Is the utmost priority So to focus on the strength part of it And really just keep reiterating It's going to take a while Like this extreme shift You have to really kind of take All these steps which is going to take a lot of time To establish a built Repaired a metabolism to be able to Go forward from here Increasing the calories through carbs and fat I think it's fine so long as She's getting at least The bare minimum protein That's the one thing otherwise We're going to continue to lose muscle She's eating 20 grams of protein every day And the rest is most carbs And fat to get to her 1200 or so calories Then You can do all the strength training in the world In a caloric deficit And grossly under consuming protein We're going to lose muscle Minimum we want to hit 70 grams That's how I would decide What those calories come from Is if she's hitting A good amount of 60 to 80 grams Of protein at least Eat whatever feels the best for you Whether that be carbs, fat or protein But if she's grossly under eating Protein 20 to 30 Even 40 grams of protein every day Then I'd be encouraging those extra calories To come from protein Consider this Anna, you're working with One of the hardest segments Of the population in terms of getting someone To achieve permanent Success with fitness and nutrition It's one of the most challenging Segments of the population So think that way the entire time What you don't want to do is think of goals Short term, but rather How can I get this person to Develop a relationship with exercise And nutrition to where They'll be able to maintain it forever Okay, always and forever They've already, I mean it's We can guess that they probably had a bad Relationship to food to begin with And exercise is very closely connected to that So measurements, body fat Tests, weight yourself Macros, counting calories Like that can all Be a stress and make it feel negative And all that stuff So I like to really focus on performance I can imagine if this client Really started to just love They stopped thinking about their weight And really just love getting faster Getting stronger, being able to do new exercises And move in different ways And enjoy that The often side effect of that Is they eat better, they start to eat To fuel their body, they start to develop This relationship with exercise I just love doing it, I just love going to the gym Doing these new exercises I couldn't do before So that's really the direction that I Would say to focus on Because don't think of yourself so much As a, I'm a trainer and you produce Results for this person Think of yourself as more of a guide And I need to lead them to a situation Where this person now has Achieved permanent success I don't know if you're familiar with the Long-term fail rate Even with bariatric patients It's not very good So that's where I would place My entire focus, at least That's what I did, and I still didn't have The greatest success rate, but it was better Than when you looked at the averages Gotcha, yeah, no, she Starting to get there, and I I mean, I started working with her When she had already dropped a lot of weight You know what I mean, after those initial Months, you start losing really Quickly, so she was already Down pretty much And the other day I tried to pick up the 45 pound barbell And curl it for like 12, so she's getting Into the strength part of it, and I think The strength is actually what's Exciting her, so Perfect, well thank you for calling in And actually, you know, I wonder If this person would benefit from our Intuitive nutrition guide Do you have that? No, I do not, no Let me send that over to you You could read through it and pull from it And it might help you communicate Client in a healthy way With nutrition, there's some good stuff in there Awesome, sounds good, thank you very much Thank you, Adam I appreciate it, guys Do you guys remember, so I know you guys Have worked with clients who've been I've trained quite a few Yeah, and I know the 24-hour Santa Teresa It was a clinic there I worked, and I remember My first time working with this population And it's very, very Challenging, I remember the first client I had, I got them They lost lots of weight, got them in shape We did the whole meal plan, the whole deal Didn't see them for years Ran into them later And I could not believe how much of the weight They had gained back, I thought it was impossible To gain the weight back, but I guess Through just sheer will And not having a great relationship With nutrition and food, they were able To do it, and I remember thinking to myself I need a completely different approach Same thing happens, not addressing The root of it all, and it was so frustrating To see that, but I Again, it's so addictive Once you start losing weight, like that's Like one of those things, like to slow them down And to be able to kind of really address It through, you know, behavior And to change those behaviors Later on in my career, like I figured You know, how to do that And how to communicate that a lot better But I mean, you're their cheerleader In a sense, too, like you want them to lose the weight Because you think the weight is really The biggest issue that's keeping them unhealthy And then, you know, further on realize Oh, well, you know, this You know, the root of this behavior hasn't been Addressed yet, and so therefore You know, this is going to keep coming back And something that you got to keep continually dealing with Well, and for all of the trainers That are listening to this And that have clients like this It's very normal to see the body fat percentage Go up like that, so that's why I was trying to stress that, like it really doesn't matter What they're using, calories And clients like this? I know And that's part of the reason why you don't worry about that Because it's not good news, you get back You know, they're training with you three days a week They're doing what they're supposed to do, strength training They've got a good balance in their macros You would like To show them, oh, look, we got You know, you lost 30 pounds the last two weeks But we got more muscle Like the reality is Their calories are so low And they can't absorb very much And never really can absorb muscle with it They're gonna plummet, and really The strength training aspect of it Is just to slow down The atrophy of muscle during that process That's the sad truth, isn't it? Yeah, because it's inevitable because of how low a calorie they are And then, again, back to my point About the protein, that would be my biggest concern As far as helping slowing that process down Because if she is Eating only 1200 calories And only eating 20 to 40 grams Of protein, that's gonna continue for a while I mean, she's gonna continue for quite some time Before her body probably levels out Or else she's gonna continue to see body fat go up Even with the scale going down Our next caller is Jackie from Virginia Hey, Jackie, how can we help you? Hey! First of all, this is Super cool, so I listen to you guys pretty much every day And if there isn't a new episode out I go to the archive and listen to something there So I'm gonna coach myself I find a ton of value in the content you're putting out So thanks for all you guys do Yeah, so A little background on me I currently compete in Olympic weightlifting At a pretty high level I've been competing for six years And in that time I've won Two national championships An American Open Championship 20 national medals I've competed on Team USA And I'm just getting to a point where I'm in my 30s I've accomplished all of my goals And more in the sport But I also have a full-time job And a fitness And a coach on the side So I'm just kind of ready to retire I've also been an athlete my whole life So I started out as a gymnast I did that for over 15 years And then I just went into normal strength training In college I did some CrossFit And that's what introduced me to Olympic weightlifting But I've always been strong Pretty much my whole life Especially from gymnastics And just having like good genetics To have really strong legs So I can squat over 350 pounds My deadlift is about the same Because I'm super quad dominant So yeah, I've been strong My whole life, been an athlete my whole life And now I'm looking at the next chapter Of being in my mid 30s And wanting to maintain a strong physique But I also don't need to be as strong As I currently am Because if I'm not competing I don't need to be able to squat Over 350 pounds I'm not looking to But I also want to be strong in strength training So for one, I'm pretty lost On which program I should do Because I've been training really hard for so long But I'm afraid that if I don't train enough I'll gain body fat And there's a ton of muscle So I'm trying to figure out what the best program is For me to start with So you came to us from a program that will get you Not as strong Is that what you're saying? I mean, no I'm 5'3 ish Between 5'3 and 5'4 I weigh 145 pounds But I cut down to the 64 kilo class For competition So I feel like I could lose 10 pounds to get to a physique That makes me happy And still be strong Because I'm not trying to be I have giant quads, but I'm pretty lean But I just want to Change my body composition And Get to a point where I could Also eat at maintenance Because right now I've cut For competition back and forth So I haven't been able to actually reverse diet Because I don't have enough time Between competitions to do so So I'm trying to also get to a place Where I can eat like a normal person You'd be a blast to train I would love to train I bet you were all going to have different opinions Because you could go a lot different directions I have some good news and some bad news So here's the good news With someone of your caliber You could do whatever the hell you want And you'd be fine, okay, that's the truth I can't say that to everybody But someone like you with your obvious Great genetics And how responsive you are to resistance training You can do whatever you want And you'd probably get Great results, no matter what Here's the bad news It's going to be hard to lose muscle If your body is so responsive The only way you could Lose muscle in a relatively healthy way Would be to focus on endurance training And that would Probably do it a little bit Although I wouldn't get too excited about it Because I've seen people like you do endurance training And not lose that much muscle Not to mention she wrote that she hates cardio Exactly, so I mean that's the good news And bad news Now what I would go if I were you Is more of a maps aesthetic I was going to push your performance Than aesthetic Performance would be good too With the focus sessions You could go to the gym And be more like a bodybuilder And sculpt your body And not train your quads as much Maybe focus more on your hamstrings And just focus on the parts of your body You really want to develop And neglect the parts you don't want to develop as much You can really have fun with maps aesthetic Because it allows so much of that Modifiability in that Right, I was going to say For that specific reason of the focus sessions And just to kind of get you outside of The compound lifts a bit And really just kind of Take your body as Individual muscle groups That we're really hyper focused on But then also too, you mentioned you hate cardio To me that speaks like something Maybe your body needs To venture into that a bit Lean into the cardiovascular aspect And just challenge yourself through that Which then you can maybe see the benefit of that Going forward And your body responsive in that direction Okay, well it sounds like we all are a little bit Closer than I thought we were going to be To your points, I 100% Think that you could go a bunch of different directions And we could have success a lot of different ways I did ultimately want you In maps aesthetic I was going to say performance first Just because I know that I know Olympic lifting is obviously More dynamic than power lifting But sometimes we tend to do a lot of Sagittal plane exercises Primarily there's not a lot of multi-directional Exercises that you're probably doing And so I think you could benefit from that And because I think there's a lot of Unique exercises in there So I think your body would respond to that But I do think that a kind of Bodybuilder-esque type of routine Would do you really, really well So maps aesthetic, I agree The one add to that is If you were to go to maps aesthetic I would love to see you even though I know You don't like it or want it I would try and push you towards 30 minutes Of cardio with your focus days So the way the program's structured Is there's three foundational days And then you have two to three focus days On those two to three focus days When you are focusing on the Which is basically like a 20 minute Workout, 20 to 30 minutes I would spend the other 20 to 30 minutes Doing some cardio You could have fun with it Stairmaster stuff, electrical stuff Power walking on an incline You know, row for a while You could have some fun But I would encourage us to do some Cardiovascular training like that For about 30 to 40 minutes On the same days that we do focus training With maps aesthetic, I think the combination Of that, I think your body will respond Really well Here's another route you can go Jackie And I would almost never recommend this I did mention you have a full time job And obviously you're not going to be Competing at that same level So maybe you want to work out less Maybe you don't want to work out five or six days a week You're one of the few people that could get away with this You could go to the gym three or four days a week And literally focus on whatever you want Like literally you could go to the gym You're probably so hyper responsive To resistance training You could look in the mirror and be like I want to work on my back a little more So I'm going to do a little back today My odds are really big I think I'll avoid quad training for the next three weeks Or whatever You could totally get away with going to the gym And kind of doing what you want And having a little bit of fun with Watching your body shape and sculpt Based on what you do Most people's bodies are not responsive enough To do that They just wouldn't see their body change Quick enough for them to be able to make those judgments But in your case You're literally one of the Literally three or four days a week And kind of do whatever you want And look at your body and say I want to do a little this A little that And like I said when you first answered your question Any direction you go So long as you don't hurt yourself and overdo it You're going to do fine I think she did bring up a concern though That would be a concern of mine Of reducing the volume too much Is that because she's got a lot of muscle She's probably been training her ass off like crazy She probably has created a high demand Of calories for her body So if all of a sudden you dramatically reduce The volume of training I would imagine she's going to have to change The calories whereas if she does something like Maps Aesthetic Which is one of our higher volume programs In addition to 30 minutes of cardio Two to three times a week I think that's enough calorie burn That she won't have to reduce her I agree but you know it's funny So Jackie I've only really trained A few people that I would say are probably Like the kind of genetics that you have That really competed at super high levels And so what Adam's saying is You cut your volume down oh no I'm getting some body fat What I noticed with these few people that I trained Is they literally like oh no I gained a little body fat I'm going to work out a little more body fat's gone It's like it just responds very quickly Whereas most people are like Oh my gosh I'm stuck what do I do And I'm sure Is what I'm saying resonating do you feel like You could just kind of pick it up a little bit And watch your body change I love training Like obviously because I've been doing it For so long at such a high level So I don't necessarily want to Stop going to the gym on a regular basis But I'm just trying to change up What I'm doing not put so much stress on my body Because I've been putting it through the ringer For quite a number of years And also doing like Those extreme cuts For competition like I end up water cutting most of the weight That I need to like right before the meet But like kind of like a fighter would But I'm still restricting calories so that I don't gain weight So You know it's hard to I guess figure out which Route is the right one But I feel like when you say like aesthetic Adding some cardio and like maybe that's Yeah I love that I'm standing by what I said I think maps aesthetic 30 minutes of cardio 2 to 3 times a week on your focus days It's still allowed you're going to the gym 6, 5, 6 days a week minimum Which you probably like to do anyways You're just changing the focus if you're not stressful on your joints Yeah not stressful on the joints No it's bodybuilder style so it's really Phenomenal for your body Awesome yeah I think that makes a lot Of sense because it's way different than how I train now And I think my body would probably Respond well to that Well Jack if you don't have it we'll send it over to you okay Oh awesome Thank you guys so much I would love to see you because you'd be a fun client to listen to And talk could you add her to the forum To Doug and I would love to hear Your process through I don't know how often you use Facebook hopefully you get on there I don't know If you do I would love to see you In the forum so I'm going to give you access To the private forum because you are Somebody like back to Sal's point this would be fun to try Yeah you would be fun like we could be going through maps aesthetic And you'd be like oh you know my quads You guys and we'd be like you know what Drop this exercise You guys that are in that program let's switch it put this in instead And like you'd be a fun person And I can easily help without having to Like feel like I'm having to coach you full time You'd be real easy to tweak some things So if you go in the forum And you actually share with us What you're doing what you're going through what you're seeing You know one of us three We'll get on there and give you tweaks Awesome that sounds great Thank you so much Thanks for calling in Cool yeah thank you guys It's cool to have someone of that caliber It would be a fun client Those are the best Here's why they're the best Anything you do something happens That's like a champion That's why it's fun A couple things too right so you know if she's that talented You know that I like this is what I love about clients too When you teach like a new movement I could say things like oh tuck your tailbone Pull the shoulders back oh head up And it happens You could cue them like that They just their body will snap right into it Which is fun to teach and Of all the strength athlete Athlete based sports Olympic lifters Are among the most athletic I've seen Olympic lifters Who play no sports watch them do stuff And it's not like a bodybuilder Or a power lifter like they can move Then they can move dynamically So it's the highest like technical Lifting sport Dude 335 squad at 355 She competes at 62 kilograms That's a hundred and thirty something pounds That she competes at I mean that's insane Yeah tremendous strength and power But you know I guess the challenge At that level is How do I scale down Right because you competed at a national level That's more of a mental challenge I think than anything like how do I bring it down Because I'm no longer competing At this ridiculous level Our next caller is Matt from New York Hey what's up Matt How can I help you Hey guys so A little back story So I was around like I'm five nine I was around 230 pounds I dropped about 60 pounds Last year I was doing a lot of running A lot of weightlifting as well But I came to realize How hard it is to keep that weight off After doing all that running I was running about 30 miles a week And I was wondering now That I've gained about like nine pounds About like one seventy nine right now Is there a way that I could build muscle And Drop a little bit of body fat While maintaining the same The same weight or do I have to bulk And then cut No a hundred percent could do that You can it's hard You know you might want Your Goldilocks zone Yeah you might end up gaining A little bit but if you If you put your calories at a small surplus A little bit above Maintenance it makes it much more likely And then just focus on strength Am I getting stronger in the gym Do I feel more stable That'll make the biggest impact And then what you do is you slowly increase Your calories from there So that you can get your metabolism to keep Boosting so that it's more Maintainable because what you experience Is what we talk about all the time Where people lose a lot of weight But place so much focus on this kind Of manual calorie burning That they find themselves in a position A little bit easier than what people think it is It's tougher mentally Right the toughest part Of this is that We allow the scale of Up and down a little bit or even the mirror What we see in the mirror to all of a sudden Dictate what you do inside The gym or what you do with your calories I mean honestly if If your goal is to hey I want to Build some strength build some muscle I also want to Lose some body fat the same time Then the goal really is to kind of hover The same on the scale like that so you don't Want to see too much north or south On there and just get stronger in the gym So you basically are feeding the body What feels right and normal which sounds I know vague but that's The goal is to eat to where you're satisfied Don't over consume don't really try And restrict have good balance Make sure you hit your protein intake And then get stronger in the gym But don't eat over on the calories To where you're kind of staying the same scale If you do that you know and you focus On kind of hovering there while you're Strength training and eating a balanced diet The body will kind of naturally do this You know you'll have times where you're probably A little bit of a deficit so the body Utilizes some fat first energy and then You'll have times where you're a little bit Naturally above on calories some of that will get Partitioned over to building muscle And you should have this nice little exchange It's the mental part that fucks with people Because they go okay here's where I need to be Calorie wise and because the scale isn't Moving in a direction they all of a sudden Things up but this is how Like whenever I'm training and dieting If I have a goal in mind it doesn't matter Like this is kind of where I want to be I don't want to see huge swings In any direction that tells me That I'm feeding the body adequate calories And I know if I'm training Consistently and following a good program I'll build muscle and then the body Will probably lose some fat along the way Okay cool thanks guys What are you following Matt Of the maps programs what are you following right now Yeah I'm following anabolic right now I just started stage two today actually That was my second question I had can I swap out For the trigger sessions can I use A suspension trainer rather than Using the bands Yes you can any kind of resistance Training can replace the bands The only key is don't overdo The intensity which is easy to do So yeah and the reason why we recommend Bands is just because it's a little less Damaging too so you get a nice Pump and you don't really Exceed that intensity very often Yeah that's the one thing I'd caution about Suspension trainer I mean like if you do a Suspension trainer and you make it pretty easy To do push ups and to do some like rows on it Even some curls and Try some extensions all great exercises For the suspension trainer and can do The triggers but You don't want to be struggling to get That 15th rep if you do 15 And you barely your arms are shaking Your intensity is probably too high Just trying to keep driving that signal So whatever you use because obviously You're not using weight you're using the leverage Of your body make sure you don't leverage it So much that you're struggling to get 15 reps you should be able to do 15 to 20 reps relatively easy If that's the case then you're probably Doing the right intensity for the trigger sessions Does that make sense Okay cool sounds good Thanks for calling in Matt Thank you guys I appreciate everything Yeah that's the eternal Struggle It's like I lose all this weight But what I did to get there is unsustainable Yeah I can't keep it up What do I do now I mean if people only It's like 80 something percent plus Fail rate after people lose a lot of weight It's really not a weight loss issue it's a keep weight off Well this is part of why though I feel like lately I don't know why I don't know if it's because we've talked about this On the show more often than not Is the whole cardio thing You've been getting flack for like You guys are so anti-cardio It's like no we're not This is the perfect case in point This is the most common thing This is more common than the other way around Most people use it as this tool To get down to a certain weight Abuse it Yeah I know but they don't think they're abusing it So I don't like to use it because then someone goes oh I don't abuse it I'm only doing it so many you know what I'm saying So it's like you don't think It's the fat loss button They think that they have to keep hitting that button In order to keep a shaving down Yeah and insert any starting point Any sex it doesn't matter But using cardio as one of the main tools To get yourself down 30 40 60 whatever pounds Not a fat not long term Yeah unless you love doing that Like if you like if one of your favorite Things is to get up now and go for a run In the morning and you want to make that a lifelong Pursuit and you never stop that then by all means But that's not what happens Most people that decide they're going to start Doing five to six days or 30 miles Of cardio are doing it Because they have this massive weight loss goal And that is a that's a fast Way to get there problem is As soon as you stop doing that the weight Is going to pile back on so that's why That's why we don't like To recommend people in that Direction because now you're in the shitty Situation versus how do we Built a good meal plan and built A program for fat loss Around resistance training And just moving and walking more Throughout the day way more sustainable For this person for the rest of their life Our next caller is Zachary from Boston Hey what's up Zach how can we help you Hey how's it going guys Thanks for having me I was just curious so Every four days or so I work in a hospital And we'll work 28 hour shifts Pretty regularly So been trying to bulk For the last few months here But the lack of sleep And kind of rotating schedule has been An issue and was curious If you'd had clients with this Similar sort of issue or Any sort of advice To kind of address this Yeah okay so really good question So because of the Every four day 28 hour schedule You're You put yourself in a bad position In the sense that your body is not Going to be able to handle Normal workouts or workout loads Or stress because you're already putting quite A bit of stress on your body no matter Even if everything is perfect that alone Is a very challenging thing for the body So you have to work out very little In order to build muscle so that's the good news The appropriate dose is going to get Your body to adapt the appropriate dose For you is a lot less Than it would be if you did not work This kind of a schedule so when people That I've worked with in this particular case When I've trained people like this You're looking at a couple days a week Of resistance strength like two days a week And you're doing full body routine You're going moderate intensity You're focusing on building strength And then as far as the bulk is concerned Of course that's just a matter of a caloric surplus Make sure you hit your protein Eat about 500 calories or so above Maintenance and you should be okay If you're getting stronger Then you know you're on the right track Yeah I was going to recommend MAPS Anabolic Three times and the two to three times Would depend on the way this is broken up So it's not once a week You have this 28 hour shift It's literally every fourth day you have 28 hours so within an eight day Period you could actually have Two of these days being 28 hour days Which would be over a day So yeah so you're right Probably one to two days a week One to two days a week max is what I would do And I would maybe even Especially trying to bulk too You might even want to do it this way So you go 28 hours Then you're off for four days So what you may want to do Is after your 28 hour shift Don't work out the day after Work out the second day And that's your one workout And then wait until the next cycle happens again Start with that, go to the gym Do a full body workout One exercise per body part About three sets Focus on compound lifts And then see if you can get strong You could add some restorative Stability or trigger session Like in the in between days Where it's really low to moderate Type of muscle contraction Or activity wise But that would help to At least get your body To recuperate and restore And with that amount of stress Already being absorbed In your bucket from having this type of a schedule You just got to be mindful That it's all going to stay at a low intensity You know what we could do Is we could go a MAPS anabolic Foundational day one day On the day that Sal set So the second day after the work shift But the day before and the day after Could both be trigger sessions So I would take MAPS anabolic I would use one of the main foundational days That's your workout routine And then I would take the trigger session workouts That would be the day before And then the day after Getting three days of kind of touching And you only got one really hard High intense day The other two days are more like recovery focus But then also kind of just touching the muscles That's what I would do right now Now how's your nutrition with all this Are you able to intake a lot of whole foods Or is this a struggle Yeah I mean try to But it's tough because the I mean obviously when you're up for 28 hours Kind of just meal timing is difficult Yeah I mean There's no whole foods But honestly less is more here Don't push your body To see how much you can do But rather see how much you can get away with With as little as you can do Because the sleep I'm sure you're familiar with this You work in medicine So I'm sure you've seen the statistics on Swing shifts and this kind of schedule On the human body It's a tremendous stress Exercise is another stress But for the next six months of his life I'm not training like an animal In the gym my body can't handle it And I'm just not going to My body's just not going to respond So take it that way Now if you do this with maps and Ebola What you literally do Is you're not looking at a seven day cycle Like most workouts right Because it'll give you the option of two workouts Or three workouts foundational every week Literally just do one foundational Workout when you do that second day Because the next time it's up And don't worry about a monthly Or weekly schedule the way it's broken up Yours is obviously very different So just do it like that And I'd love to get some feedback From you to see how your body feels And responds No problem Zach Thanks for calling in He just came off of one of the shifts I'll tell you what dude One of the hardest to help If you read the statistics on It's like a carcinogenic Their cancer risk goes up Like they smoke cigarettes Their heart disease risk goes up The lesson of this The stress that your trainer adds By telling you all those things We just want to move you out of that schedule You know what So I've trained a lot of people Like this and you know what's funny They tend to have They're attracted to this kind of work So I've trained ER doctors that are just insane They literally have to say this to them Because their mentality is Go go go go no matter what Push through You're gonna hurt yourself This is totally bad for you And because they're in medicine That's why I do a little bit of the fear You know type of stuff with them But I mean you can progress You just gotta remember it's another stress You're adding to your body And you're probably almost at your limit So it's not much that you can In the middle like you said Timing that right so whatever the breakdown is The middle day after you've got a nice Recovery day of recovery rest From that long shift And then on the other days And they could be all the days because it's so light You could do these light band works Band work or suspension trainer One or the other or both I'd have Access to and then I would be like Okay the way I train is I get after it really hard this one day And that's my full hour and hour and a half routine Full body and then the other two to three days It's this real light kind of Band work or body weight work And that's all I would try and do But I mean you can make some moves on that for sure Definitely, excellent Look if you like our information Head over to mindpumpfree.com And check out all of our guides So we have guides that we wrote That can help you build muscle Or burn body fat, improve your health Move better, squat better We have guides for personal trainers Body, guides and information You can also find all of us on Instagram So Justin is at 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