 Okay, now we're being a live stream. So now we should probably clean it up. Yeah flame is amazing. Oh, hold on I'm gonna actually stop the recording and then we'll start the recording again because I Even did it like the real legit way like I looked down over my glasses, you know, like someone my age would Okay Hello, Amanda. Hello Wayne. Hello burned Hey guys Welcome to the big show Thank I will You know We are There is a chance that Brian Bailey is gonna join the meeting and he's in Seoul, South Korea right now Doing some live flame demos And so he wanted to try to join today and and give us an update and let us know how it's going here like a good Traveler in in the year of our Lord 2022 he's been posting pictures of everything he's eating, you know, so I like from a culinary standpoint I have been able to follow him on his journey which has been Kind of awesome, but we did want to hear maybe like a Flamely, you know what he's been doing over there as well as You know, cuisineically or whatever I mean Randy used to work in kitchen So you probably know the word You know, that's that's how the East Coasters say it Right, right. Thank you. See it's way to always make it about the culture Okay John Ag is here Why don't we do our best and by we I mean me to make this feel like a like an actual Episode of logic live, so I'm gonna do we have to have not I have not Clearly we do I have not done one of these on zoom in so long that every button I press feels like a potential failure So we're going to try this. Okay, and if it doesn't work, I'm sure Randy will let me know And even if it does work, I'm sure he's gonna let me know he'll say something like Andy. You're muted So here we go. There we go. Is that too loud? Andy you're muted. Yeah, see It's funny how that works Alright, hey everybody happy Sunday Okay, you know, I'll turn the music down a little bit and We'll take you through the slides. Let me just see if anyone else is joined Interim if you join just Say hi. Oh Jake Parker's here. Hey Jake. Oh The Sun is not oh, hold on. Wait a minute breaking news We have Brian Bailey here Hey Brian, I'm gonna stop. Hello. All right. You know what? Let me just power through I'll try to get through this while the music's going Randy. We have a minute and 50 seconds so this episode of Logic Live is brought to you by AJA AJA to get with flames since 2006 if you need tech support call Jack Harks It's amazing how well this all plays in a browser If you want to be the second person in logic history to use the 15% discount code Make sure you use logic dash 15 at checkout If you need anything from Boris effects While you're checking things out check out the logic merch store I don't know about where you guys are. 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And we wanted to give back to our patrons and so that went to the lovely and talented Brooks Tomlinson Congratulations Brooks and thank you Lenovo for supporting logic speaking of Brooks The Detroit flame user group is having its inaugural meeting for summer 2022 on Thursday August 18th at 6 30 p.m. At Flavor in Detroit If you can make it, please try to be there look at this lineup ladies and gentlemen of presenters Fred Warren who? we just had on last week the Flame user experience designer at Autodesk will be there and then there'll also be presentations from Steve Swike the aforementioned Brooks Tomlinson Finn Yeager is going to be there coming all the way from Hamburg and Javi Mendez from cynicism and don't worry pizza I believe that's destroyed Detroit style pizza by by decree and law Pizza and beer will be provided by our friends at cynicism. Thank you cynicism for always supporting the flame community That's August 18th head on over to the forum for the event bright link I'll also put it in the in the description of the the YouTube posting here We'd love to see as many people show up and support the Detroit user group as possible Ladies and gentlemen returning July 17th We're going back to the render dome for the ultimate conform challenge Bern Hildebrand from Germany and Brian Daley from Dallas, Texas Are going to be competing head-to-head at the Boris FX Arena Which is actually? Brian Fox's garage on July 17th. That's two weeks from today We're still putting the details together for the show, but I guarantee you it's going to be amazing in fact we have burned and Brian here and I would love to see if we can get some some shit talking going and You know all the kind of stuff you have like at the press conference before like a big fight It's there now Andy. It's there now a stare down Yeah, yeah, yeah, clearly. It's it's a it's a genre of sporting that I'm a huge fan of and that's why I knew the terminology So burn versus Brian back in the render dome July 17th, and they're competing for a Cintiq a wake-up Cintiq 16 inch tablet I have it sitting right over here and We want to thank our friends at Wacom actually for sponsoring that let's Do the thing that's the only reason Randy tunes in on Sundays is the update for the forum stats For 2022 we're up to 1149 users. That's up five over last week 901,000 page views. That's up 30,000 from last week 7.7,000 posts. It's up 200 from last week and work to 389 users on Discord if you haven't signed up for discord, please do it's a great way to have a girl As we like to say join the conversation We have live chat and screen sharing everything going on 24 hours a day on our discord service server And you can get the link to that at forum dot logic dot TV Want to remind everyone that we introduced three new classes at logic Academy for 2022 The first one was beauty techniques in flame by yours truly where I covered all kinds of beauty cleanup Techniques and did it all kind of under the umbrella of how to work as efficiently as possible and then the lovely and talented Randy Macinty Gave us two installments one on the machine learning time warp and the other Setting up piebox, which is a way to integrate flame into your pipeline with with other applications in this case nuke And these join the other logic Academy offerings connected conform and the image node intro to NDI and eight-minute aces We have new ones in production right now that we'll get out to you later this summer And they're available for free at logic TV or YouTube comm slash logic TV We want to thank our friends at Autodesk for sponsoring logic Academy Speaking of content from Autodesk the latest in the flame learning channel Our friend Grant Kay has been doing a whole fundamental series for people who are new to flame The latest installment module 8 is all about doing effects in the timeline So be sure to check that out at the flame learning channel on YouTube and speaking of flame if you haven't already Downloaded it. Please download flame twenty twenty three dot zero dot one So you're running the latest and greatest from our friends at Autodesk All right Well, thank you everybody for joining us today. It's July 3rd here in the States. I believe it's July 15th where John is Actually, I should say where John Brian and we actually have almost as much representation from tomorrow as we do today Here on logic live, which is really Kind of a messing with my mind as I as I think about it But Brian Bailey is in Seoul, South Korea, right? You're there to do some presentations for For Autodesk on flame. What's going on there man? How's it going? Good. It's 3 a.m. On July 4th. So that's fun My I've had I have had completely just bonkers weird hours the whole time. I've been here So this is starting to get normal For me just in time to come home Yeah Yeah, so they they have a Convention here called coba see KOBA which is similar to NAB and The reseller here asked me to come do some master classes for flame users in Korea, so It was pretty interesting the I knew nothing about the flame community here before coming and It's interesting to see how they use flame here It's basically all commercial work Nobody told me that they really do color they get like colored Rec 709 files they work You know to HD deliverables for TV and and that's about it So I tried talking about you know social media different sizes and resolutions stuff like that some of them were interested in that kind of stuff a Lot of the flame artists do beauty work and I shared some Like tips and tricks for beauty, but they all knew them already. They're like, yeah, that's old stuff. We know that Trying to think of what else the It's it was interesting. We had eight different sessions and At the end of it we had about 90 flame artists come through wow and What was especially interesting was the gender split is basically 50 50 Which is really interesting. I don't know. I don't know what that says about, you know us Americans We seem to be dude heavy But there's you know putting a very talented very smart Female flame artists here. So that was cool to see That's amazing Are you like is are you at like a convention center? Is it like a kind of a traditional trade show setting? yeah, and actually there's this huge complex called co-ex and There's a hotel, which is where I'm at and I just walked down through the lobby over to the convention center And there's also a mall like it's the biggest kind of like city center. I think in Seoul So that was nice. I didn't have to go outside in the rain to get to the convention It rains it rains most days here. It's it is I Don't know like 90 to 100 degrees and raining which is New for me. I'm from Texas where we have heat But not you know a hundred percent humidity So I just I became one with my sweat basically sure Randy would you like to take that knock it out of the park or I? Mean I would but that's just how I feel so, you know the same kind of thing The one other thing that was interesting was I Asked, you know, who here knows about Python do you use Python scripting and I got completely blank stares like they have no idea What Python is and Well, I mean they know it's you know a coding language, but they don't know what it is in flame so I just showed Some of my simple, you know, I'm I know enough Python just to automate real simple things and Showed a few of those and they their minds were blown by like, you know, wow, I didn't even know we could do this kind of stuff So I'm gonna try to follow up and get the more interested in You know integrating Python into the work they do Gotcha, so you said that by and large it's been a commercial crowd Yes, it's like Absolutely commercial nobody does anything else Which is interesting I'm I Wasn't able to get a lot of details on You know, who does movie and film work and who does commercial work, but everyone That came here for flame was post house doing commercial work And it kind of it sounds like the film industry is Very segregated and it's all done with nuke So And how much longer you there? When do you come home? I'm gonna head to the year Yeah no, I'm flying out today and It's interesting. I leave at like 5 p.m It's a 14-hour flight and I arrive home The same day and time that I left so that's I think gonna be Worse than coming here as far as jet lag Yeah, you're gonna feel like you're 67 when you land Yeah Richard is nodding. I'm assuming you've made this this this track across the dateline to the states Well, at least you got up super early on your travel day, you know, so we want to thank you for that man All right Then maybe we'll just have a quick chat with with burned as well, you know about Render Dome and then we'll let you go In case you wanted about early, which yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna talk trash at all. I'm I'm excited to See what another flame artist, you know how they approach something I do too All right, what a what a mature perspective we're so not used to that Yes, do I need to adopt some Andy Dill attitude? No No, it's probably better That we take a turn, you know, I just maybe we'll just leave the smack talking to the to the Commentators or something like that, you know, okay all the everything on the field would be respectable, you know For the first nine minutes for the first nine minutes Well, let me ask Amanda, are you excited for another Render Dome? Yes Trying to get my material prepared excellent Burned, I don't know if you if you can hear us or if you can turn your camera on Hi there I Can hear you I can see you. I hope you can hear me. I just don't have a webcam here. Sorry. Oh, then don't turn your camera Mysterious burned because right now you're just say you're lifting weights and doing Practicing your additive gear and in timeline action effects in preparation, right? You've added like five Kilo weights to either side of your pen And you're just going like this, right so that you can be that much faster on the day of the competition But now what was a little bit of webcam at the stand Excellent, but right now you're just the international man of mystery and I agree with Randy. Well, look what Randy's doing it, too I would keep that up as long as possible What about the the rest of you is anyone else here excited for another Render Dome We're doing a conformed theme one here What do you guys or what do you all think of that as opposed to the compositing tasks? We've done before yeah, I kind of I'm dangerously automated So I would have been out of my depth if I've done it, you know So I'd like to see I'd like to see someone do it in the in the more traditional math method. I'll see what I'm see what I'm missing Cool. Hey Andy was it planned out to have some pitfalls? That would that would require planning and so It's a real job that's gonna be thrown at them It's going to be as close to a real job as possible Which means anything Could go wrong at any moment make no assumptions that everything is approved or locked for that matter Or prepared No, we're gonna start on time it's gonna be easy and nothing The producer perspective the producer brief right It's gonna be simple, you know, that's we get you can imagine every I know with almost Without exception every conform session that I've been The lead-on I'm told at the beginning exactly what we're gonna be doing all the elements are organized and named correctly and in one place all of the Everything was shot. Well On the same camera with the same Yeah Editing of the DL opens You know Yeah Or it's just an empty folder. We don't know Right, exactly. It's one big empty folder. Figure it out. Yeah, so you never know I mean, I know I'm I always I'm an optimist, which means that I'm usually disappointed But I know that I go into every one of these conform sessions knowing this is so you've allocated like three hours for this session We've allocated three hours for the session the first two hours are for emotional support You know, it's good Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's you know Everyone kind of needs their time to be able to like scream and yell and question their choices and you know blame the client There was no client this time to blame the client Question their life choices. Yeah, exactly have a breakout room so the quiet so the crying can be done and in private Right, I mean it's recorded and well, it's like the machine room, but you know remote. Yeah. Yeah, exactly For me if you want to make it realistic What you should do is Have production ignore at least one of our specs Yep. Oh and we'll be eating delicious food while we're all getting sushi and charcuterie boards and everything Yeah, and you're just gonna be like hungry and drinking warm water and eating dry bread Yeah, and we're gonna you're gonna have to explain to the client why there are no one-by-one deliverables But the deliverables are all six by six And uh, and they're not going to be able to understand why That's a problem, you know For the difference between the web audio and the broadcast audio so yeah, figure out that exactly nobody And just you know with Off It's gonna go back to sleep With and with five minutes to go Will you know have a surprise calling guest it'll be a Larry from extreme reach he's one of the QC guys at extreme reach in Louisville and He found something wrong That he finds wrong with the he thinks when the image plays down its stutters And so, you know, we're gonna have to kind of spend the next 45 minutes talking him through that But that's okay, but privately we'll have a discussion whether dual mono pair left and right is the same as stereo or not exactly yep So it seems like yeah, that's about all of it. Don't forget this don't forget the slates. Yeah, that's yeah Oh, yeah, the tick tock disclaimers. Yeah, the tick tock versions will be delivered with slates, you know, right We're gonna have a series of one second Four by five deliverables that need to be delivered with 10 second slates Oh, and some of two pops some don't you'll figure it out in time by the way. We need some pre-rolls. Yeah Exactly. We're gonna need pre-rolls. Everything needs to have Subtitles and everything's just a cut down, right? Everything's just a cut down Yeah So to answer your question John, there'll be no gotchas. This is gonna be extremely smooth And we're we're looking forward to it. Perfect ADL. Yeah, it's great. Like, you know, that it's almost like There's a not a bonus round, but it's like the Obviously whoever gets to the you know, the end of the task and the amount of time you know Well, yeah, we're gonna assign certain amount of points that don't matter and all that kind of thing that we've done in the past But the first person to cry does lose so I just want to throw that out there On what edit system it was what offline system it was cut on Cmx 3600 The moment the joystick a convergent sweep Yep, exactly Sure, there's one People love the Sony Vegas, I don't know who does but there it's all over the place for like wedding videos and stuff. Oh, there you go There's another clue Brian. You might be cutting a waiting video. I Think crying is my safe word. That's what I'm gonna Yep, we've got a six-second piece that's It's like 144 frames or whatever at 24 and it consists of 144 one frame fluid morphs So I hope everybody's prepared for that. That didn't get the lab. I got a couple of grins. I was expecting that to go over bigger But that's what we've got on tap for rendered dome coming up Wonderful, I wanted to start the conversation today by asking everyone how you doing and So how y'all doing, you know thumbs up or thumbs down. Let's give it. Let's go baseline here Thumbs up is good thumbs down is could be better Yeah, somewhere in the middle like this is we see you we hear you and Richard what let me ask you this what what's making you feel a little matzo matzo. It's cold Yes, it's dark and it's been wet. I see John's got it wet apparently. Oh, it's terrible here It's just the pits, but it's good because I've got lots of work to do and I don't think about wanting to go outside So it's great. How you doing? Isn't like West Sydney like flooded and they're evacuating. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're at a point where it's about to get flooded again It's getting torrential rain. We had yesterday To see what disasters are happening, but yeah, it's like every year. I wish you good luck There's not a big storm coming Exactly I'm sorry. That's a panel. It didn't mean to bring everyone. Yeah, whoo Let me I'll turn this so everyone who did a thumbs up, right? is the thumbs up because you're working on something right now that That challenges you creatively Get you going perhaps or perhaps you've got a very lucrative day rate on the job. You're working on Giving you a thumbs up. I'm thumbs up because I'm not working on something Yes, I see you're out of your normal locale and you came into this zoom with a mask on Yes, I'm I'm in Texas. I'm I'm actually running a AWS flame. I haven't gotten you know, I just got it set up yesterday here Attested it for a while in Los Angeles. I'm here in for about a month with family in Texas and So far and I haven't done a job with it yet, but I'm really pretty impressed with how responsive it is and You know, it looks looks pretty good I'm having a little trouble connecting by a You know I'm connecting to the NAS in another location through Linux, but I'll get that figured out with everything else working pretty good tail scale What's that tail scale? Oh Yeah, that's an interesting product Randy turned me on to this week I'll talk to you later about it. It's point-to-point VPN. It's like solves all your networking problems. Okay Well the one thing that you know, I'm sitting here going wow So, you know, it runs on my laptop just fine, you know the now the sticking point is you know a reasonable monitor at whatever location So I'm looking on Amazon and all over the place for affordable monitors and there don't seem to be any That real candidates. There's like one That's made by ASUS. I guess that's one of those Art pro art ones, but it's only 14 inches It's not quite but I have a funny feeling within the next 18 months The sort of technology gets a little more uptake We're probably gonna see some people making know what 24 inch Super thin super light monitor and we will be able to be digital nomad Code and iPad Maury Yeah, it's just not not quite big enough. But yeah, that's essentially it a giant iPad would be totally fine I mean, they will unfold would be good, you know, like a That'd be cool, I guess The client saying why is there a line in the middle of our talent state. Oh, that's the folding point, right? It's just stylistically which is we'll design our way out of that problem I guess I wanted to also open up the the the floor here to a question of how's everybody feeling About the economy like for the rest of the year, you know I Love to ask actual people who are working and not just like read things in the media Do you feel confident about the rest of the year? Do you are you are you worried? Well, I can tell you at least for me throughout the pandemic I was just totally wall-to-wall from the beginning to the end things stacked up weeks in advance and Basically January one of this year everything's it wasn't that thick anymore things. I've been busy I didn't have a I didn't have a particularly good January But it's not like, you know, it's like things are coming up where I don't know what I'm gonna be doing You know tomorrow and tomorrow a job So it's not like this, you know, it was this everything had lots and lots of lead time and now it's a little spotter So I'm I'm a little concerned that I'm at the point of the year where everyone's ringing me again in one go like the last week I've had four phone calls ready to go on four jobs And that's always hard to juggle when they all have the same similar deadline You know, there's three shifts in a day, right? That's one way to look at it Nice Honey, I saw I saw a spot on the air last night for the first time that I actually Turned away about six eight months ago because they wanted it turned around in 48 hours It's like the badly shot the screen situation great It was nice seeing an hour whoever did it did a good job But they certainly didn't turn it around in the 48 hours to make their make their air six months ago, but they still they still good Yeah, I found I mean I'm only like six six or seven weeks into the freelance lifestyle and I I've had my My first bout of like turning away returning down a job You know just because I I went into this, you know also Committed to achieve some work-life balance and that kind of thing and like an opportunity came up to basically like work a double and I If my every like instinct that I had was like take it take it take it take it because who knows what's gonna happen Whatever next month, you know But I turned it down Did you turn it down because of an event you had or you just didn't want to do the number of hours? I didn't want to do the number I didn't want to Do a double essentially, you know, I didn't want to work 16 hours a day for be working in a bank or something come on Yeah, actually, yeah, it's an emotional bank And the fault is empty Michael It's Yes, I got to in and you're not doing doubles, huh? Uh, I was confident about my decision until right about right about now Thank this supportive And it will convince you the sun rises in the west in about 10 minutes. Yeah, exactly But yeah, it maybe it'd be good to hear from people in in different markets than you know New York in LA how they're feeling about How businesses it's good Michael you go first So yeah out here in Atlanta the Atlanta job seemed a lot slower But we're making up for it because I'm doing all the LA and New York jobs that team to come through and need extra help So it's balancing out Gotcha Bye Jake. Thanks for sure. Thanks for coming in a Brian, what were you gonna say about Dallas? Dallas seem advertising and commercial seems to be doing okay. We're staying busy And then also here in Korea, I got a lot of questions about You know, what kind of hours do you work in the US and you know, what are the jobs like and and From talking to them. It sounds like they do They're expected to pull a lot of hours Kind of like I feel like I did in the early 2000s where there was a lot of work to get done and they You know expected you to work those extra hours when the jobs were in so the in the The other thing here that was interesting is, you know, Korean culture in general Businesses have a very clear hierarchy and your job title, you know, is very important So most post houses there seems to be one or two senior flame artists and then they have a junior and an assistant underneath them So the senior leads and the junior and the assistant, you know, are at his beck and call Gotcha. That's interesting. I heard Something in all also interesting. I had two different conversations with two different Clients who are at work in episodic TV Right and they both Mentioned that they had like three different tiers of VFX vendors that they use on their jobs they had vendors in India they had vendors in Eastern Europe and then they had vendors here in the States and They kind of a portion out the work Based on you know Not not that it's stuff that can be like simple paint or obviously roto But you know simple cleanup get rid of a boom mic or something like that they send to their vendors in in India and then the vendors in Eastern Europe get stuff that might require either a bit more creativity or a bit more of a Like a trusted relationship or like a None not trust is the wrong word but a collaborative relationship with the vendor and the I guess like the VFX supervisor and then things that are either super delicate or You know that much more involved or handled here in the States, but it just means that the it's almost like they They became aware of the possibility of sending work overseas And so I know you know for a while You know we were using Overseas vendors as like our night shift essentially, you know And now that that's going direct to client, you know as opposed to Allowing someone like us to be a middleman. So I thought that was kind of an interesting evolution of the state of VFX And I didn't know it was price involved in that sort of structure 100% it was all price It was really like when they go through the the show or the the movie or whatever and they're spotting all the VFX needs It's like, you know Again some stuff that has to be wrote out or simple cleanup they can get done dirt cheap by outsourcing it How many shots are they doing on these shows? Do you know? They said it was anywhere from like 50 to 100 shots an episode you know so Who knows what that I don't I never I haven't seen the content or anything I don't know what what it meant, but It's kind of an interesting I've done some episodic TV cleanup stuff and At the very beginning they were just offering me X price for X shot mm-hmm and You know you look at a shot and go yeah, okay now But then you get stuck on something and it's like two hours, but I sort of wear it How nice is it to be sent the offline note to court on there you go We're gonna add it look at these shots how much for for doing these effects. That's a that's a rare treat as opposed to just a theory or an idea Yeah, right. I primarily do episodic work I'm in LA I Operate as a small company not as a freelancer and I hire out freelancers as I need them And I do a lot of that We'll call it fix it work a lot of Everything from TV comps phone comps to rigged removals to reflection removals And I always bid per shot It doesn't always work out But I only I generally only hire really high-end flame artist So I don't micromanage. I like to send somebody a group of shots and When they come back, I want them to be done, you know, of course, I'll go over them and then send them off but and You know, I was gonna say I'm double booked. Well, I'm booked through February double booked starting in October Unfortunately, one of the projects is a five episode mini series for HBO That was supposed to start airing this past Mother's Day and now it's gotten pushed all the way through February but another show For HBO starts up in October So it's gonna get a little hairy and of course I've notified both shows that hey, you know starting October my priority has to You know be on this other show that's starting up since the one got pushed So that's something that I've never really had to deal with That was something getting pushed that far And the director refuses to lock anything. I've only seen the first three episodes. I haven't even seen episodes four and five yet And it's very odd. I'll go weeks without hearing from them, which is normally people are like Let's see some shots. And you know, I literally haven't haven't sent a shot in and probably a month and a half and You know, it's really frustrating because for me It's it's not really making me want to work on their show But I love doing episodics, I love doing the fix it kind of work and not the Not the more creative stuff because it doesn't go back and forth. It's fixed or it's not you know, I've done this long enough to where I'm not gonna send something that's not fixed and You know, it works out pretty well. Yeah, I found on on the Episodic or long form stuff. I enjoy that aspect of it as well. You know that there may be a pile of stuff to do But generally it's it's a known it's a given and they tell you exactly what they want and Then it's really up to you to manage the time and the task And so like, you know, when I was looking at some of this some of this stuff and and what the client was offering You know per shot If my mind started to go like well, okay, so how many shots would I have to crank through in a day? You know in order to make this either viable or whatever and it seems like a This seems like an interesting challenge. Hi, Renee They keep having me They keep having you increase you bit add money. Oh man There's one in every crowd Wayne That's great What fraction of the people here are staff and what fraction are freelance? Raise your hand if you're on staff 123456 and 7 from burned. Okay and freelance 12 Randy's three. All right, John is kind of I work from home, but I'd never go into a facility. I just the job comes to me. I do it at my place So kind of the mini facility if you like One man band facility Well, uh, what's everyone been working on lately? I can yeah, you know what it it's it's it's a good you got a good base there, man You know, it's like a good a good even day. You do realize that means going out in the sun, right? Oh Oh, I thought I was just you could do that with hue lights. Okay. Good. Yeah. No. No. Well, that's what I've got going on here The I've dialed in the color temperature on these lights here and it's really it's it's nice. It makes me look healthy studio tan exactly Which is the name of my upcoming album Um, I've been working on something cool. I've been working on a spot Of course, I can't say what it is or anything like that, but it's been uh, it's the first like Uh, like a tv spot that I've worked on since going freelance and uh, when I first got the material I was Like it I kind of Went into like panic mode Of like, oh my god, how am I going to do this? How am I going to do this? How am I going to do this? And then I realized after the first day that like I don't have anything else to do but this You know as the lead flame artist at at a studio I had to do the challenging stuff and solve the problems But there were also all the other things you have to do as the lead artist at a studio whether it was like Facebook, yeah Facebook twitter figuring out what to go what do I have for lunch? um You know talking randy, but I uh, I I'm loving these it's it was a challenging greens. I'm sorry blue screen shoot And um, I had to do some 3d tracking. So I just recently learned synth eyes And so I did a camera track with synth eyes and made some geo and randy helped me Remember how to orient the camera so it matched the the world that it was going in um, then you know Exported an fbx and loaded it in and worked like it was wonderful uh, I've had to do a lot of painting like with wash and uh That's been kind of awesome. So That's what I've been working on. Did you give the flame tracker ago before synth eyes or you just knew that it was a synth eyes job? I well, I wanted it to be a synth eyes job. I wanted to I had learned it. I had used it on a job recently for the first time But it had been a couple weeks and I didn't want it to go stale and so you buy a license You just have to you know sunk cost. So you got to make sure that's what I did I bought a license and now I'm going to use it like yes, you know, so uh Yeah, that's what I've been working on and uh, it's been cool. Like uh, I I'm liking it. I have similar experience to you and maybe because he just had a podcast on synth eyes, but um I had a job come in And unlike all the episodic work. It's a commercial So I have no idea what they're going to give me when it arrives And it was all sorts of gnarly cleanup and it was just me no no, uh, no 3d support No, um outsourcing budget and I thought all right. I'm going to give synth eyes a crack and It was amazing and I was accepting some shocking tracks from myself Just because they were so much better than a bad track from flame. I was loving it. It was great Yeah, it was really good Cool my first my first toe dipped into synth eyes. It was a good experience Now, do you think you would have gotten a better? A similar track coming from mocha or something like that or just would not have happened on some Maybe I mean I've never I've never left flame for tracking. This is the first time I've left flame unless someone is going to do it for me um That's what I mean. So I was getting some really bad Synth eyes tracks, but they were still ahead of a lot better than my flame tracks. So Yeah, and I'll take a bad track. I can always I can always patch it up in flames. Certainly if it's cleanup and stuff I'm not trying to get a creature to walk solidly on the floor. I'm just I'm just trying to you know Get rid of some rigging and stuff. Yeah, it was really good I was doing set extensions. And so I really like I needed GO to be in the right space and you know, it needed to make like the corner of a wall and track it through and everything and then Unbeknownst to me a few days later. They um, you know They a request came in to like add some signage In the space as well, which was not on the back wall or on the side wall. And so it was like It immediately it became a no-brainer because I had a camera track for that shot as opposed to You know if I had done like a series of 2d tracks or something So that was cool That's something cool. Yeah today. I was doing I I ended up for some reason when I get bored. I start lurking on reddit and then start Helping Individuals with really weird cleanup shots because sometimes people post on reddit Like I have this cleanup shot and and I did a I did a favor for someone and then a few weeks ago He called me with a small budget of needing to de-blur some footage he had shot Which was just like anamorphic footage. It was just a little bit out of focus and so um Based on Andy's suggestion. I racked up video topaz. They have a still frame machine learning and AI de-blur tool that makes stills So I just grabbed every 100th frame from the sequence And then use that to train a copycat inference to uh to de-blur three and a half minutes of footage in a couple days Pretty pretty auto automagically. It was pretty cool Yeah, that was a good demo that was Yeah, yeah, it was cool Hey, with the whole copycat pieboxing you need the nuke on the same physical box as your flame, correct? You can't like network it out to someone, you know some other one, right? Uh, can you actually I think it has to be local. I think you should be The runners in the background you could maybe theoretically frame server it on nuke, but Well, do you mean after the training is done like after you have your your the tool there Wherever the actual wherever the nuke is. Yeah, I I'm just not sure with piebox if it has that the nuke or whatever Whatever outboard Application your pieboxing in to it has to be on the same physical machine as your flame Well, you need it needs to be exact executable from wherever the machine can either access or there's a slight chance But I think you should just like nuke is so you can still nuke on anything So I would just install nuke and pull a license from something. That's probably your best bet Right. Yeah, and I think you could pull a Render license. It doesn't have to be an interactive. So technically if you forked out 600 bucks You'd get a render license and you could use it that way so You guys both doing the machine learning on a single box though Andy. Yeah Yeah Was it was it time? Does it time consuming overnight kind of thing? Um, it can be anywhere from like two to 12 hours I mean, it just it depends on like how how what resolution you're working at and then how many frames are in your your data set So I started breaking shots up and like, you know, 13 shots two of them are the same Three of them are the same five of them are the same two of them the same Is that a 13? Something like that. And so you just build these groups and so you don't have to You know, once you have something figured out for a shot, it'll work for all the same setups Which is rare error in in commercial world, of course Um, but more common in films and camera setups. So it just depends But you know, you could you could technically throw a couple a six thousands at it and You know, it used to be, you know, three to six to nine hours could could theoretically be You know something usable and in an hour or two And then maybe refine but it just becomes part of the other recipe and so there's different ways to mix and match and And and and it's really interesting that solves some problems that we used to never be able to solve before Which is well, yeah, you put us in a pickle now because I always I always used to say you can't you can't refocus a defocus shot I'm sorry. You shot it out focus. It's you know, Richie. I'll send you my email address and I'll invoice you I found to um, again, I have I have a an a six thousand But I found this also on a p six thousand On the older machine That I could do the training and run flame at the same time and it was fine You know, I didn't really see a hit I'm a little bit afraid that with all the tools we get in the last years The client will say hey, come on. They can fix it in post by should we care at a shoot now? They always do Yeah, exactly. Why should they start now? You know, well, their time is their time is incredibly valuable, you know And the larger shows with a quarter main dollar us shoot day, which is what 200,000 euros per day You know, like, okay, if it's gonna cost us 10 minutes and we can pay You can pay burn to fix it It's not a bad idea Or is it It depends on if whoever's doing the task, I think exactly Okay And I finished an interesting job Another earn burner I think from from chute To delivery was four days. It was a two and a half TV spot that had a two and a half minute version a 32nd version and everything under the sun. It was like a an 80s retro Music video looking thing for for amazon Lot And you know, they were still shooting while we were we were starting We had to do, you know clean up to uncolored into the flat plate Color would come in and we do everything color And just after we delivered the thing get a notice from the facility. Hey, uh, you had a covid exposure. So start that Yeah First time first time I've been into a facility in a long long time and there you have welcome And welcome back Amanda, what are you been working on? Oh, hey, hi I I got I worked on a short film last august with this production company and I got introduced to it was like a kung fu film So of course i'm gonna work on it Um and worked on some shots for them and then they actually reached out to me Maybe about like five months ago or four months ago and said they had another short film They were working on and it was probably run like 17 shots So it's probably going to take me like all weekend And I was just asking the producer like tell me more about this film. Tell me more about the character. So It was a guy that had transitioned to a female and the story was is based on a true story Is that her boyfriend would hide her so whenever they had friends over she would have to hide into the bathroom And this was all kind of crammed into 20 minutes and it was really well shot um And so whenever friends came over hide in the bedroom hide in the bathroom And then eventually she got sick of it and was kind of wanted to confront him There's text on your phone. Are you cheating? What's going on? You don't want to show me off And it was kind of this very manipulative relationship about like, you know, nobody will understand you like how I do Uh, so yeah, so they turned to a big fight. He ends up like stabbing her like I said This is based on a true story and then you know like six months later She's fine. She's doing well and then she walks outside of her apartment and the guy's truck is there And then it's like end scene So it was like a really emotional Short for something like this and then as I got talking to the producer You know, she wants to spread more of a message. It's this really big deal. This is her first directing and starring So I was like, you know what just buy me lunch And so I just worked all week on on a film that I really felt really like It was really drawn to it's a really nice film. It was really really well shot. So I like the cause I like the message So I thought that was cool too And then they got in touch with me just last week and said they have like a million dollar film coming up and They've got a whole bunch of other stuff coming up and want to get me involved with that too So I was like, oh, this is cool. Like I really like the message that this company is is doing So it's a lot of fun Yeah, that was good. Yeah, and also my other on the side project I'm doing too I post about it in logic is that I'm trying to get like a flame course For the school in Detroit that I went to so this is something that I've been working with in the school And the cool thing is I you know, I have the backing of the school I have the backing of autodesk and then I'm also like in trying to work with since labs To see what we can do about getting some tablets for the students So it's it's kind of coming a little bit into this Very weird moldy shape for the foundation, but now it comes into and I talked with actually some of you guys about it Um, thank you so much for your time Of like how we can get this thing going on off the ground because as you've mentioned before There's kind of like a generation gap happening with flame And so I reached out to my alma mater the college I went to and graduated from and they were just so excited and they're just like how much what do you want? Do whatever you want So we have like full reign To do whatever it is that we can do to kind of get this off the ground. So this is something I've been working the past year Really intensely with the school trying to figure out how we can get a flame program in there And they're very much open to anything So I've been talking with a lot of artists how we can get demos in there and like how do we make this a thing? For them and it's in Detroit too. So there's a lot of talent that comes out of Detroit Isn't that right Renee? That's right Find even more of it with this meetup. We're just trying to get together I'm gonna try yeah, I'm gonna try awesome. Oh my god, that would be super cool So I had a I had a technical thing this week I just didn't call it a technical thing. So I've been working the last week and it's the first Time I was working on my local Flame All the other freelance work I've been doing I've been remoting in right and so I got the beast behind me there And the room that I'm in is just like the guest room in my house and it was getting Like it was sweltering in here. I mean so for like the I finally have had to start thinking about how to manage the heat in this room I mean I have I have like a window air conditioner I had a fan hooked up for a while like a clip-on fan from my kid's dorm room like You know trying to blow the the hot air coming out of the machine just to scatter it so it didn't end up in the corner um I kind of resigned. I'm sorry. I was just curious. I was curious anybody else who has a A ton of gear at home. What are you doing? To manage the heat that these machines I don't exhale. That's how I'd help fans Yeah, and close your window. We have a south-facing window and we close the blinds So though it's not like he isn't beating down in there and then open the doors and put fans in and also if you're anywhere near your basement, we have a the basement has a stairwell with a Very cheaply just it was an idea, but it's working. Um, we got like a piping from I don't know my husband hooked it up. It's some kind of like Ducting that we hooked to a fan and we have it facing up to the main floor And so we are basically exchanging air and it works really well Oh, cool recommend living at the beach. So the yes, that's I was thinking about that But then I thought about going with something like Renee suggests uh Actually, I have like I have an electrician coming out to run the power to this room just on its own circuit in the you know On the circuit panel. So he has to run like conduit outside the house and everything and at first it was just like Let's just let him run power and then I went down to the basement the other day and it was like I don't know 45 degrees cooler than it is in this room right here And so I was like, hmm, maybe I should also have him run some either some fiber Why don't you move your office to the basement? Uh two four reasons actually I was on my daughter and cats Yeah, uh, it's a room that like they use you know when they're home and they're not home a lot because they go to college but For the time being, um, I've got to stay up here, but I thought you know I could throw the put the gear down there. You'll you'll enjoy the silence as well. That's what I did I moved all my gear out of the room. I'm sitting in now To another room which is basically it's under the house and there are no windows and it's nice and cool in there And the sound I can't hear the drives spinning anymore. And it's fantastic. I love this silence Yeah, I think I have to do that in the last month. I've added uh one two two computers to this room that weren't here a month ago and uh, I put an exhaust fan, uh in the little like shelving unit I have back there like a pc exhaust fan because my my synology is in there and I just wanted to keep air flow going and so it It gets loud when everything's on it's like the fans get loud in here. So I think I might do that What was that Andy? I moved the gear. What? I said I said the fans. Yeah, I think I might uh, I might do that I might move the stuff, um Down to the basement And just I don't know I got to figure that out too. How would I connect everything? I guess it would be all like, uh, right? I can go all Teradici or RGS or whatever, but then Uh, not for long Not for much longer, right? Nope. All these people that have basements that don't live in LA Yeah That's a basement Why do you say not for long for Teradici or RGS? Because in a month they're going to HP anywhere and so all of RGS and all of Teraguchi licensing will be a minimum of five Isn't that already the case for Teradici? It is for Teradici, but not for our not for HP zero mode boost. Right So Anybody want to go in havesies? You're grouped by yeah, right? Exactly I might take you up on that right? Well, HP zero mode boost used to be cheap. I mean if it was free if you had an HP box, uh, then If you want to buy a license for non-HP it was on a three four five hundred bucks tops Which is a direct connectable. So it's really easy But now with Teraguchi you need a caca cast a cam lot. You need all kinds of crazy stuff that You don't need any of that But they say they do so it's still a direct connection. It's frustrating when they It's it's it's an odd place when you when you're that small Because they still don't really understand how to serve small. I mean they're just not designed for it So it's it's a frustrating spot to be in Randy is that a full-size wreck you got in the background there. So you got all your gear in the room But he's in the basement Yeah in the basement in the basement they make um 150 foot Uh display port cables they make 50 no, that's fine. You can use 50 foot those work fine Yeah, I mean don't forget I mean flame used to ship with one of those what it was avan view active dvi display port things That and a usb and you know for five five for like four five hundred bucks per Workstation you can extend something 50 feet, which is fine for most residentials You can get like a 300 foot hdmi cable from from a mono price for like 50 bucks Then you can convert it after the fact too. Yeah, mm-hmm their options Isn't that like good luck if that works I've got 300 foot hdmi working right now. What's fine. Yeah. Wow They make these fiber optic display port and hdmi cables that are super reliable and then actually All right, cool. Yeah, that's not too bad Yeah, because this this would go into like a metal conduit That's going to go from that would go around the outside of my house to get uh From where all that is in the basement. You know what else that's called andy a lightning rod Yes Bring it That's what I say Who else Who's working on something cool or has bought something cool? Or he's thinking about buying something cool He just received our newest thread ripper 5995 because he rocks yesterday and Jesse likes it. He says it's fine. Yeah Excellent anyone using nice dcv for um, promoting for remote work That's only available on aws. I believe I was that right and I think I think they have likes you can buy a server at this point Pretty sure, but I'm using it on aws pretty good excellent so so when you're Buying an aws system. How exactly do you Do you get that? Do you because like back in the old days, you know, if I wanted to flame I go to You know, I go to keycode or somebody I call up my go gorek You know, he just sets me up with a box on a license. I'm good to go Nowadays like where do you go to get the cloud system? I'm very unclear on aws.com Amazon.com You say hi, I want to flame or like just My server, you know, that's where I did it using I did using a guy in london um, the company's Assistant computing it took them took a little while to get it going but once Didn't take that long to get going and I think uh, I think it's gonna get shorter and shorter and I and I and I have heard through the grapevine that Some point soon, there'll be an announcement that someone's gonna make I Click for flame product So it's not there yet wouldn't So as does that be one of the options at aws like here flame or is that through through your guy? It's through a through another yet another party Putting got it something like that. He's a middleman then they're they're just Pre-configuring these these these virtual servers Yeah, I think that the concept that this that this other party has is basically, you know Click for your flame for however long you want it and log off You know hey pal him the money and he'll he'll deal with amazon So couldn't you do the same with gunpowder? Don't you just commission them to set you up a flame and then sure could but I don't think that they have I don't think they have like a self-serve sort of situation Like I tried I tried I tried to get a gunpowder to help me and I wrote him letter after letter I never heard anything back from him so Yeah, I think right now it whoever regardless of who it is you need like a A specialist, you know like a systems integrator or whatever to configure all the aws cloud stuff So all the you know you get is a like a front end. He's a plug for coal jack. I guess right exactly But I mean are all the all the the usual suspect system integrators doing that now are they still You know locked in the old hardware, you know world where you know, they want to they want to sell you a bunch of a bunch of boxes Oh, that's a good question. I think that it's still a pretty rarefied group I think there's only a very few people Worldwide right now that are catering to our type of person for these aws I think that's another I can tell you another interesting thing here in korea the Reseller also does engineering support And none of the post houses have their own engineers. They call The resaler and they send a guy to the facility to come, you know fix stuff and they're also really deep into setting up cloud machines when We were talking about Setting up the master classes They spun up a machine for me gave me a log in I loaded all my material and like practiced my you know lessons with that machine And then flew to korea and I didn't bring any I didn't bring a laptop. I didn't bring a hard drive I just got here started up the same machine and everything was there and the uh their it guy Seems to have some kind of app on his phone I couldn't communicate with him real well But he has an app on his phone where he could spin up and spin down uh cloud machines for You know internal use for themselves. So Whenever I needed something he just Had like a little pull down and it looked like he was clicking, you know flame neat video OFX plugins and then that machine was ready a couple minutes later Wow texting gunpowder I Told them that that was that was impressive for compared to the situation in america, and I don't know if they want to try to uh Through communication barriers work with flame artists in america, but that people would be You know willing to pay for that. I think Yeah, that sounds a lot like that thing. I was mentioning to you but not ready for primetime when I Adam Taylor How are things uh over in the uk my friend? Um, it's bizarre Really? Yeah, we're still in the throes of a crazy government that I just I'll I'm not going there. I'm not going there As far as buying new stuff, I've just had solar panels fitted on the house Really, which is amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm still waiting for the battery. That's on a ship somewhere between here and china But we are hoping for 89 months of the year just to be running off the power of the sun Oh, that's great Because how how much did the panels generate then? Um, they can generate the ones we've got we've got 14 of them on the roof Um, they generate about up to five and a half kilowatts an hour in good weather Wow So we're gonna get a an eight kilowatt battery that will Charge up Run the house during the night during the daytime. It'll be running off the solar panels And any excess gets fed back into the network And we get paid for it Excellent It's it's gonna reduce the The overheads, you know, the bills and things quite a lot of hope Which is good because at the moment we're having a A really bad fuel crisis in this country The price is a skyrocketing for everything I mean petrol you're looking at two quid a dick two quid a liter Which I was talking to someone who who's it was told to his friend in american We worked out that's probably about what you pay nine to ten quid a gallon Mm-hmm It's just mad I think the same story here $2.50 later Mad, isn't it Crazy We're getting there Broke seven dollars a gallon here Los Angeles Yeah I wish I was actually I was looking at solar last year and Couldn't It's not that I couldn't justify the cost but it was like, you know It was in the math problem was well, what is my electric bill per month? And then how long will it take to recoup the investment of putting the The way we're looking at this is it's not so much how long it takes to recoup it because We've kind of realized that if you've got the money in the bank To buy the stuff outright straight away You could instantly be getting a hundred pounds back every month in what you're saving on your electric So it's not going to take I mean if you had that in the bank at the moment you would get Nothing the interest rate is practically zero So if you can afford to buy them, you're going to be getting a return as whatever your electricity bill would have been every month And the way the prices are going up I reckon in four years will have paid for it and then everything after that is free electric Yeah, well our power That's how we Went up to you know, it's over $500 a month now whereas before I get some get some solar panels. Ah well some lunatic got an electric car with a big big battery And so, you know, all of a sudden you can charge you can charge them from the solar panels. Yeah No, I'm I'm looking at it again now It's definitely worth it's a minefield, but it's definitely worth it. Two quid a liter is nine bucks a gallon Yeah, that's pricey. We also have solar panels. Just Good for solar over here too There's one fringe that is pushing everyone towards these more, you know ecological environmental, you know Like like COVID and lockdown forced everyone to get a little bit more remote and savvy and and you know online stuff You know this this this crisis that we're in at the moment, you know Everyone can go out get an electric bike or an electric car and think about solar panels. It's got to be You know, there's got to be some kind of kind of silver lining, you know Yeah We looked into it when we were in LA and it didn't make any sense for us because we were running super lean And we don't have big electricity bills But we always wanted to get them and then as soon as we moved to michigan It was just a no-brainer because there's so many I mean we had a lot of power outage in the LA But it was a really big deal where we live here And we have a battery backup now and we generate about 80% of our power on solar panels and we get one to one back From the energy company. We were grandfathered in they don't do that anymore now But I think it's totally worth it. You should if you can do it just do it We don't get anything like one to one back in the UK, but Anything back is better than nothing Right John what company was it where you could send your electricity and they'll give you a beer there was there's one brewery in australia There's one brewery in australia who runs their own solar farm And they they they put an offer out and it was yeah, rather than selling this is a true story Yeah true story rather than selling your electricity. I haven't heard about this. What's going on rather than selling your electricity back to the grid You can sell it right there I'm in the market for solar and I want to get a free beer. They pay you back. They pay you back in beers It was great. It was really good It was one of the highlights from award awards this year John. I must admit That and the rex owner armpit Advertising which I thought was pretty cool My trouble is finding someone reputable to put solar on my roof Yeah, so hearing horror stories on this in this country and I just don't want to get someone bad put Crappy equipment in well australia was subsidised for a while, isn't it? Still is. Yeah, so you I'm ready to jump into it. I just gotta find someone that Yeah, that I can trust We spent an awful lot of time trawling through facebook groups to do with solar power and We kind of found the people that we thought would be a good a good fit through that really and What's the lifespan on these? Adam was that what or or any about 10 years, isn't it? Yeah Takes 10 years to pay it off though. That's that's the weird But then The battery in my car is supposed to be five years and the car's about 12 years old and it's still going strong Are you talking about the 12 volt battery or the electric car battery? I've got a hybrid. It's it's the big lithium thing in the boot right They reckon it's a five year one of five to seven years, but the car's 12 years now, so And it's as good as does anyone here in a Tesla? Yeah So what's what how long have you had the Tesla for? 2017 I got mine 2017 okay, and When's the battery going to be due to be replaced? Who knows I mean, it's fine and they're they're warrantied for eight years. I think it is and You know, I've really seen no degradation in the In my mileage, maybe a couple of miles, but Nothing nothing outstanding. I expected to last at least 15 years Okay, and do you know what the cost of the replacement battery will you replace the battery or replace the car? Honestly, I don't know I'll probably replace the car because by then the technology will be so bad that You know you want something newer something newer and funner even though right now. I've got unlimited super charging So, you know, that's like one of those nice things to have in the back pocket Sure I go gang. Okay. Thank you everybody. See you later. Bye I'm trying to decide between a tesla or an electric golf cart No brainer I live at the beach. I drive about five miles a day So in the cart might be your it might be the way to go there, man Yeah, except the rare occasion I get on the freeway Yeah, do it. It's slow for the freeway Do it just stay in the right lane. You'll be fine. Yeah other electric Yeah, burn makes a good a good point there get like an electric like a dune buggy, you know like what like It's a big cage, you know and just giant rear wheels You know put like a state flag or a You know something like that on it and then just Just have like, you know ride of the valkyries on loop and just round just go man All right Well, there you go, you know Does anyone have anything else that they want to share the stuff that they've been working on or anything like that I'm happy that I solved my space issue. I was doing a job this week And oh, yeah, right I started with like, you know, one and a half terabytes of free space on my drives and then I'm just you know playing through some shots and thinking Wow, it's already dropped to like 600 gigs. Where's all this space gone? And I'm freaking out because I've got so many more shots to do and I'm thinking Oh, where am I going to find this space? So and then it just kept dropping and dropping and I thought It's got to be something wrong here. So I started looking through the flame Store folders and I could see folders there that were 500 gigs in size And I thought what's in there, you know, like what's going on? And that's when I realized that I accidentally cached in an 18 minute clip at 4k 16 bit Which was that'll do it That was one of them and the other one was a couple of motion vector passes and I didn't realize that When you when I when I cached the motion vector pass, it was like a 500 frame clip The It yeah, it takes up that much space But then I iterated and then I think I did it again I flushed it because it didn't work properly I thought I'd do another one and then it generated a second one So bang another 500 gig just disappeared on on two motion vector analysis is a now an alice Yes, yes And so that's where like one and a half terabytes of data just disappeared or one terabyte of data just disappeared really quickly So I had that was when I was thinking geez. I made a really bad decision buying the four terabyte Mac studio instead of the eight terabyte. Oh, okay. Yes. I saw this on on the on the forum or I'm sorry on discord, right? Yeah, discord. Yeah, and I thought And then I was thinking do I Buy another piece by more storage externally and thought no, I'm not going to get the speed and it's going to cost me you know, blah blah blah all those thoughts go through your mind, but Then I thought no, I'm going to find out why I just clobbered a terabyte of data and I found it Which was good. I'm happy now Hey, Alan What's that? Yeah, are you still using your wide monitor for the dual monitor setup on flame and does that work remotely? Yeah, rgs. It works great. So you can do a dual monitor through rgs Do you need it like a any kind of special setup for that or do you need a second like video output for it? Well, no Thank you very much. So here's the key with rgs. The limitation is so Rgs it takes the resolution from the sender and teriichi takes the resolution from the receiver And they each have a uhd a single monitor limitation of uhd so If you're using rgs, you have to make sure that your sender Doesn't have a single monitor resolution. That's greater than uhd So in the case of the 5k by 2k monitors, we set them up logically to act as two monitors With teriichi it ignores the sender resolution and takes receiver resolution So you have to make sure that your 5k by 2k monitor on the receiver is set up as two logical monitors With one being no greater than uhd resolution So two different philosophies for each each of the products, but it works equally well Got it. Thank you. Yes, you're welcome What's everybody using for backups? I'm still using a very old lto 3 drive that scuzzy That I have to keep limping along that old mac pro with the scuzzy card just to do my backups So I'm either going to switch to a more current lto or somebody has something else. That's a better idea I'm using lto 7. Yeah, you know have been for a while You know, I got some old lto 5s that it's still reach, you know So because I've got to get back to stuff that a lot of times that it's You know six seven years or 10 years sometimes, you know, depending on because these facilities End up, you know, it's a long cycle before you end up updating anything, but yeah, it still works good I'm using a thunderbolt Of lto and it's yeah, it works great Yeah, we're moving up from lto 5. I think we're going to lto 9 So we're in that silly situation where we're trying to do generational leaps Which you might need to consider Wayne because you you probably don't want to go What is it two generations? So you don't want to go lto 3 to lto 5, which is ancient as well But yeah to get to lto 9 we're going through a little generational leap kind of thing Which seems a little bit of a pullover, but you know someone else is looking into that so Yeah, it used to be where you used to be where you'd have to go back two generations I think now it only goes back one generation with the doer once. Um, so it's even more of a problem. Yeah, I believe that's correct That's not a magic bullet like it used to be Wayne, how much data do you need a year? Hope you're muted, sir Yeah, uh, that's a good question. Um I will probably fill up Uh, let's see probably that's probably 20 terabytes A year Is this for disaster recovery or for long-term archival? Long-term archival I mean, I I've almost never had to go back to anything Because that you know, uh, I don't think you were on earlier. I'm mostly doing doing features and an episodic work, which you never have to go back to But you know I'm always super careful. So I I keep everything Well for that you could I mean you could You could maybe think about just compressing it which I know was a controversial thought and then just going up to wasabi Uh, which is six bucks a month per terabyte and then you can keep that around for a year You know, I kind of do the same but I'm usually under 15 terabytes of like stuff I'm actively so like the 90 bucks a month for me is worth it because Once I have a physical thing that I need two of those I need one of them in a vault somewhere in some off location something. So it's not perfect, but So if you can get that 20 down, you know down into You know under 21 I'm not drinking age number of terabytes. Um It doesn't take ages to restore something from the cloud. Like, you know If you had to move if you never need it It takes zero time Yeah, true, but when you do need it and it takes four days to get it back the job doesn't take four days I mean if it's what each project might be what a few terabytes Wayne like, you know like Depending on I mean or what's what's one shell like 10 t or what's one shell? Um, you know, it really varies. Um, it's hard to say Um The challenge that I'm facing is our active data set is like 500 terabytes So it's really hard to It's almost impossible to have that as a online cloud storage So we have a lto 7 robot, but that's mostly for disaster recovery Our our long-term archival depends on the show requirements and the contractual requirements. So Yeah, yeah, it's a kind of an awkward size in time. Isn't it Wayne? It's like, you know, you can kind of go either way and it's Right, just whatever stinks less. I suppose Hey, Alan, do any of your shows actually request Archives to be sent to them As of yet, none of our VFX shows are the trailers we do we we do send an archive to the studio of the trailers But the VFX shows have not requested any archival material get sent to them Yeah, that's my experience as well and we basically wait until the Film or whatever it is has been released And then we'll put it to long-term storage and delete it from our active data set But we always wait till it's been released and for a few weeks We did have one show come back. This was like seven years ago and when hdr kind of first started up And they needed us to redeliver some elements that they had lost because they were remastering for hdr But that that only happened one time like seven years ago Yeah, I know in my conversations with randy, especially after that very first logic live You did and brought up the whole concept of compressing the shit out of your archives and sending them up to wasabi I had been firmly in the camp of like let me get two drives and back everything up to the two drives and have a clone and keep them on a shelf and Nothing's ever come back Like nothing, you know, so if if I did have to bring it back. I'll download. I mean, I'm a convert now You know, if I did have to bring it back. I think the largest job I've worked on was A little over two terabytes So why are you feeling that wasabi's a better solution for you than just doing a drive back up on your you know on your shelf Isn't that deeper in the long run? Not not well not really First you're buying the drives and I would buy two so even if they were like a hundred bucks or drives two hundred dollars You know and then um, I mean I have a box over over there that is filled with drives Yeah, but in two years time those drives won't boot up Well, I've said that I'll never that I'll never need again like um Maybe I you know, so I'll throw them for the same amount of money per year essentially I can throw them up to wasabi or AWS glacier or whatever whatever the slow permanent storage is And if I need it, I'll download it if I don't need it then maybe after two years I'll just torch it, you know, I'll even get rid of what's up there like, you know Uh, I haven't reached the phase with my uh, my freelance clients yet. We're like I there's a contractual How long are you holding on to this thing? um The one I'm working with right now. I think I'm just going to give them An archive when I'm done and here you go, you know make it their problem make it their problem. Yeah It is their problem Yeah But for the stuff that I've done, you know direct client or whatever. It's uh, I know I'm I'm a convert now to just um Especially I'd like to to wanes in wanes point if or an allen's point too if it's a a show or a movie And it's been released It's it's not coming back. So I'll throw it up to a cloud storage and leave it there and after a couple years just Let it go So I do similar to what randy's doing though. I back it up. I clone my system and then I clone it to a second one and then a cloud one as well. So um, I spend too much time backing up really to justify the You know This job will never come back. Why do I care about it? You know getting it off to two other systems to make sure it's in a safe place. You know, it just drives me insane Because I've always had the fear put through to me Um You know keep everything that's when I used to work in a facility. It was like The management there said we're gonna keep everything and it was just like lto off-site backup Everything Pardon are they still in business? No, they they closed the doors. They No, they not not closed the doors because they went broke. They closed the doors because the guy got too old and wanted to retire Sell the place and go but I mean, I've still got all their archives and it's on lto 5 And there's probably for 400 tapes That um, you know over the last And I've been they've closed for five years now and over the last five years I think I was asked for about three or four jobs You know sort of kind of not worth it in some respect Just to keep 500 tapes sitting on a shelf Right a great way to play dominoes Yeah, so if anyone wants any, uh pre-loved lto 5 tapes with Gently used on a cache system You're more than welcome to have it for free Yeah, just pay the shipping, right? Yeah, I just realized I've just broadcast this on the internet because this is now being recorded Well, I'll save you from yourself now john I want to thank everybody for coming on today. I know at least here in the states It's a holiday weekend and a lot of people are away or they're with their families and everything so Thank you for tuning in I do have uh, two things to give away. So we're going to do that real quick I've got the uh, license of optics From our friends at boris effects No music this time sorry adam And then we're going to do your choice of anything from the logic merch store and that is going to Do Randy this could be our opportunity to get rid of one of those fanny packs brian bailey You know Because I know when I think fanny pack I'm going brian bailey. Congratulations, brother. Do you have one I can see because that sounds awesome Yeah, I'll uh, I'll send you an image of it And you have your choice you can do that at white or black, which is great because that way It goes with everything Um, thank you again, everybody. 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