 In most of the world religions there are forms of worship and prayer and celebration which are group or extroverted in nature. They're not introverted. Yes Something ritual or something ritual Yes, I would say wherever there is a deep archetypal experience, which is always also an emotional experience There's a spontaneous need for acting it out And in a way that is a ritual and if Congenial people are together it can happen that it becomes a group ritual that something is done one does together But if you organize it the great danger is that then people come in who are not in the congenial mood They had just an annoying letter before they at home before they joined or Something or they are just in a sober mood and not They are not into it and then it becomes a formalism and the dishonest gesture And that's is the death of all ritual and that that's what makes the religions die that there are rituals and prayers and gestures always become mechanical and Done by people who don't feel them anymore more and more and more and that's the great danger That's why you prefer to leave it to the spontaneous happenings The hippies meetings where they just waited for happenings was close was close to something real That was quite good One should be if anything I would say one should keep it to such a in such a form To come sometimes together and wait for spontaneous happenings What about have you ever seen an American Indian dance the whole village participates? And they have this long process of preparation as a way, I think maybe of bringing each person into it Yes, I haven't been there, but I've read quite a lot about it and my impression is that that is really genuine That's not a formalism. That's a genuine and living expression of an archetype But you hear already now that if Indian children had gone to school and have been indoctrinated by White man's nonsense They can't participate anymore. They don't get back into the mood So that means as long as you are in it. It's all right, but you can't very difficult to find your way into it again once you Rationalism has thrown you out and that's That's why I don't know if unions who are not Who come generally from having had a neurosis and having been indoctrinated by rational school education If they can do it genuinely, I Have wondered if there isn't something for example, what happened in in Germany because there was such a sweeping over of the culture and a kind of Falling into Yes, ecstasy. Yes, that was a genuine religious phenomenon But with in a negative form in a negative form in a negative you see that's the danger when it happens collectively It generally slips off into the negative Jimmy Jones it slips off into Unconsciousness and letting oneself go into emotion Losing self-control while for instance those Indian dancers though. They are ecstatic are highly formally controlled. Oh, yes They are highly formed And not just a black letting out one's emotions and falling into them And you see religions have a huge shadow I mean the Islam who went around and right to the doors of Vienna Beheading everybody who didn't worship Allah and so on these are these emotional religions who are just mass movements And they are not not necessarily Something ideal They are just the archetype sweeping people away You can see the ones who are in it enjoyed and the ones who are out of it pay the bill If you don't worship Allah head off I Remember reading about Max Zeller's dream that he was in working with the inner life He was building on a temple that Would take hundreds of years to be built and young called him back after an hour to speak about this dream And he said you know how long it will take for the temple 600 years Well, that's image is Quite a powerful one as if all this individual work is building a temple Yes, I think that's what I meant when I said before there are thousands of unions who have never heard the name you All the people who are honestly working on their own inner problem in their own way Are builders of a new temple and he takes 600 years because that means it takes as long till we are fully in the Aquarian age and then it will probably come out what was Building itself up, but one must not want it with one's mind or head or want to organize it One must let that happen That's a dream, which would compensate feeling a bit lonely Feeling a bit an outsider and their consciousness to him. No, no do your own job and you are one of the builders Hermes treats me just as said in one active imagination to an alchemist. I am the friend of whoever is lonely The unconscious doesn't speak to you when you are with people your attention goes to the people Well, when you are lonely, I've lived in this tower sometimes three weeks alone without speaking to one Where to anybody and I sometimes thought I was going off my head, but the unconscious became alive It was my partner and that's why you have to be lonely so that the unconscious becomes strong Are you it's like loading up the unconscious and then eat manifests and then you are not lonely anymore So we have to support the unconscious. It's not enough to just have it We have to actively turn towards it and support it so that it then helps us