 All right. As you can see, guys, I am in my best attire ever in this whole world. I don't think you've ever seen me like this. I'm talking about coffee, and then I'm talking about coffee, and I'm talking about Santa. But anyway, since I've mentioned Santa, there's something about Christmas, the mood, and every activity that happens around that is usually, you know, somebody wishing, you know, I love the Americans. They're so big on this, they're so big on these things. Why can't we also be big at such things when it comes to, you know, Santa? They even have songs. Santa said, you give me what? Santa, give me a car. Bonus is here tonight's a video. But me, I will try. I will try to call upon Santa. I'll be here next year. Anyways, that's not even the topic of today. The topic is about Christmas and spending. But before we go too far, we've posted a question on our social media, and I'd definitely like to sample just a little bit, a little bit of your feedback. Right, semi-tab closed, but I'll get to that in just a bit. We've posted a question right there. Let me just read it for you. I'm going to show you the normal size. I believe in full blasts. I believe in full blasts. But I'll definitely love to just hear from you as we progress with this conversation. And I've been joined live by two powerful gents, Denzel Cantana, he's a music producer, cinematographer, and artist in general as well. Mike Gerugida, who's a marketer and entrepreneur, Karibuni Sana. You look nervous. You look like you're used to this thing. Anyways, let's get to it. I watched a video on today's Monday on Saturday. There's this YouTuber who's live. Man should not be excited about Christmas. If you're excited about Christmas, you're turning to another gender. And I was like, brah, but it's a holiday being marked in the whole world. Does it have anything to do with gender? What is your reaction to this guy? I was also asking myself the same question. It has been an holiday all along. Yes. I must say, my man should never be excited. I'm not a kind of a beginner to me. I'm not a stopper. Come on. So holidays should be categorized in such ways. I think that's what he's trying to say. It's Christmas here, my dear. It's Christmas different to in Chang Hur. People are still celebrating. And it's tomorrow, by the way. That's true. Do you feel like some of these holidays are over-hyped and overrated? Some of them are like, you're not even aware. I don't think so. It's not over-hyped. It's Christmas. It's not like I'm at home. It's not like I'm at home. It's like in Chang Hur. It's not like I'm at home. The difference again is Christmas is not just ours. It's a worldwide thing. In Chang Hur, it's just ours. It's just for the country. As soon as I recognise the holiday occasion, but Christmas is the big mountain. Because it's talked about everywhere. How many times do you hear people talk about Chang Hur? When it comes close to December, people are just talking about Christmas. That's what you see, advertisement everywhere. From the Jingles, promos, on radio, TV, shopping. You're right now. Look at me. It means something big. But you see, it depends. It's Christmas. It's like a chocolate Christmas holiday. It depends on the person. It depends on the person. It depends on the person. It depends on the holiday. It depends on the person. It's just a holiday. It's very hard to celebrate the holiday. It's just a holiday. But what if you're storming to... Some people are saying that if you're at home, you'll be able to join Shirella. That's not relative. You can just move. I'm not sure, but I think it's good to get together. Get crashing, especially Shirella. It's just events. Parties are big. But Shirella is a part of the group. Shirella is a part of the group. Shirella is a part of the group. Shirella is a part of the group. Shirella is a part of the group. And again, this day is not like a long time ago when Christmas was coming to close to Christmas. People start budgeting for it when it's almost there. But these days, people plan for a way back since from January, people are just planning. Oh, on December, Christmas, people start planning. December, people start planning. And now, with the cost of living, the economy is going down. I don't know if it's normal, but it's bottom-up. Bottom-up. Individually for you, do you have any plans to celebrate it? Of course, travelling. Like today, so everybody is busy in town. People are with bugs. So for me, I thought I assumed they're going to work. So you can't want to talk to Nairobi. You can't go there. Which one? You can't go there. You can't go there, right? For you? I think most people go to Ushago. But in Ushago, you can't go there. So you can't go there. You can't go there. Yeah, that's true. There used to be that thing. If you had cousins who were abroad, time-cursing was like shopping. So there were gadgets. If you had a dog, you had one who was in New York. And you had an airport. At that time, it was literally... It was an airport. It was an airport. Some people like to listen to music, but they don't have a place here. You can select a track. They were big way back when they were making the airport, whatever, at that time. So I went to see them. I went to Africa. And then there's something about them. They usually have a certain cologne. It's so nice. And I went to see them. And they were like, how do I talk to them? I went to see them. They stay in Nairobi. Maybe you don't live in Nairobi. So I went to Ushago. I can make mistakes. I don't want to blame you or see you. There's just something. What are some of your experiences on that? For me, I've lived in Nairobi most of my life. You don't visit Ushago? We visit. And most of the time when we used to go there, especially when we go to the market, when people just look at your dressing code, they're like, this guy's not from here. They look at your shoes. Where did you get those? So they see you as like, you're just a different human being from a different world. Yeah. They think that other people don't know who they are because they don't know who they are. I used to get such when I was a kid. I remember. Yeah. And sometimes this way, your grandma, if your grandma is loving and caring like mine, or she changes her cook, like I cook after cook after cook. You see, when I cook, it's mandatory. You know, it's not like I'm a chef. Yeah. I'm a chef. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Interesting. Yeah. What about yours? You know, Ushago is not the same as Ukyo Ushago. Then Ukyo Maju is not the same as Ukyo Nairobi. Right. Ukyo Maju is a way forward. 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Stories like how is your Ushagoes, especially during holidays. Do you guys have a family meeting? Do you guys do an evaluation? You're like, hey, I'll let them too. I'm 27. I'm 20. I'm 20. I'll let them too. Do you guys have such even for distant cousins? They're like in Kirinaga. You know personally I'm a half-cous of Meru in Kirinaga. But Christmas is like in Kirinaga. So we do it in the Kirinaga way. That is a show show. Saydea Mama, Saydea Dad. Saydea Dad, of course. But there's also so we do it the other way. Yeah, yeah. But sometimes it's just like maybe there's a get-together with you. So most of the times it's just like Saydea Dad get together. So we're like cousins, we're like, come-tramied. Relatives, we're not cousins. But we're like, hey, what if I'm not a cousin? You know, who's that? I'm not sure if I'm a cousin. You know, like I get confused. We do it together. So it's like, bad, it's time it goes. But now we're like relatives bad. We do it together. It's a big family, it's a big family. It's a big family. Do you have these introductions now? Let's say my parents, my parents are just, how will I put it, modern parents. They're not those kind of parents who will be like, eh, it's time for, eh, where it's someone. No, they know that in life there's a step. Everything you do can take, you can just ration things because if you got age, you don't know who you're sitting down and all that. And for us, unfortunately, my grandparents passed on like a decade ago, so I'm going to up countries, it's not as frequent as long time ago, but we do visit, but most of the time. So the grandma who's there? No, both of them. Both of them are parents. A decade ago, like they passed on, one this year, then the other one passed on the next year. But then maybe also, maybe if you can tell, Ushaguni. Ushagun, Homa Bay. Homa Bay County. Yeah, Homa Bay County. So definitely don't have those frequent visits there. For now, we used to, but right now it's, you know, let's just go this time, you know. But you see, as you know, we all know, these days everybody's head bumped on, busy, he like it too, but people just... And you're all grown up, you're a dancer, you're dealing with a dance stuff. Yeah, you're all grown up. Yeah, finances, health, you know. Every one is grown up in, like all my cousins are grown up. What about your grandson anyways to your... Yeah, grandson. What about your eldest grandson? I'm the eldest grandson in my family. In your family? Yeah, I'm the eldest. So there's like many others? Yeah, they're like more behind me. Like in our families, in my cousin's family, in my family, I think for every family, there are like five children, each family. And there are like four, five main families in the family. Like so, to keep it down, each family has five children. It's a whole school. There are many, yeah, there are many. But the good thing is we got time to mingle with each other, like, you know, to interact, sorry, to interact with each other, to join in, to join in CC water. So there's that, it's a little bit of a fusion, it means we know everyone who is in our family, yeah. But if you had kids and then your other, your brother who's also live in studio had kids, and then maybe he's in a far off place, and maybe your sister, if you had her, if you have one, has kids. Definitely there's a combination. I'll make sure they know each other. I'll have to make sure they know each other. Like you just have family, people should know, eat their family. Yeah, because you go meet up someone, there's a news, there's a video I saw, someone met up with someone, they arranged their marriage, Nenek Fika Kua Alter, the mom, the mom to the guy, is the mom to the lady, but it's in another family. It's one on one and I'm gonna say hi. Is this the recent wedding that was cancelled? No, no, no, that one, I think it was in Congo or was it? Oh, it was not in Congo. Yeah, I saw it, it was in Congo, I guess. Yeah, it's not that one. And so, you know, things like that, we just avoid things like that, we just make sure your family members, children know each other, so that even if they meet out out there, they know, hey, this is family, and this is someone else. Yeah. But also, at a time like this, there's a lot of pressure to just, you know, mark that day. Way back, we used to hold on to things like, you know, being bought for clothes. Once I really used to love new shoes. Yeah. I would take a few of your tomepia and say, I'm not new, I'm not a café-rèche. I'll take your to a vazi. New Nike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe people would let you in and ant shoes are brought. So, hey, it meant the whole world like you would floor us, walk around wanting everybody to go in there. To go in there. I don't know, did you also, you guys experience that where when we were buying gomepia, when I took out a tomepia, it used to be a Christmas. There used to be this thing in my, in my, in my, in my, in my Ushagil, in September. Yeah. In September, in September, in September, I used to have ice cream and I used to drink it. I used to have ice cream and I used to go in there. And then, I started to do it. So, I'm like, hey! But those things used to mean a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And they still mean a lot to some people. And as much as you guys are all grown, you're like, ah, stop it. Yeah, that's true. I have bills to pay. Do they still mean a lot? Do you still do them? I'm a few harlots. That's why I've let no, that's around like 10, 10 years ago. Yeah. And then I was like, uh, on Christmas, we go to the night, we go to our room, we go to the bathroom. And after a while, we go to the bathroom, we go to the toilet, and we go to the toilet, and we go to the toilet, and we go to the toilet. But I, ah, I, I used to have to pay. Pay. I used to pay. And you're saying about the money. Yeah. So, what you're telling me, yeah, you just come and do it. It's not about the money, bro. It's about the money. It's not about the money, it's about the money, just, we do nothing without it. Please quit it. It's not about the money, and I love it. I love it. But traveling, do you have also plans? Because you know, you have to have a budget, but if you get away with it, you'll say, hey, bro, you have two campers. In Zuzi too. But when you get home, you don't have to go, and you have to go to the toilet, and you plan to dis them. That's how they dance, and they're alone, and their parents are here. They're going home, they're going home, they're going home. So, I was sent to a new place in Mefika. I was last month at home. There was no place for me to stay. There was no place for me to stay. If I had stayed, I would have stayed at home. So your self was compared to him if his grandparents were still alive? Because for him, they are gone for you, Ako. I don't know if you're also first born, middle child or last born? First born. Is there any pressure to impress your grandparents? Yes. My parents are much better than me. They are full-blown adults and they have their own thing going on for them. I can also try and surprise them. Surprise your grandparents. See all the siblings. I'm sure there's a way you can fix your big brother or big sister. I need 5k urgently in this situation. He's killing me. I don't have a big brother. I don't have a big brother. But I have a lot of friends. Do you get the calls? When you're an artist, you have more than 20k followers. But for me, it's different. My sibling is close to me. We stay together. He's your only brother. I have two small brothers and another sister who's currently studying outside. My two small brothers, they reside with my dad in Dar es Salaam. My dad resides there. You don't get the pressure? Big brother sibling. Big brother support. I can say for them, they just feel comfortable where they are. They're reaching out to me. Maybe when they come, they want to learn something online. Those are the kind of things they ask me most of the time. See Christmas? Christmas, we're always there together. We travel to Dar es Salaam to go to those sides. And that's therapeutic as well. Just living in your country. We need a break from this city. Your breaks will tend our coast. You'll thank me. You'll travel to Nairobi with your Shidah mouse. That's true. Those are the kind of things I want to help when I'm younger. It's rarely when you're financially supported. I'm trying to find a comment that's okay. The question is, Christmas holidays and the economy. There are too many of them. To Punguseshirea, I'm about only full-time. It's a relevant comment. In this month of drink Samba in courts, I don't like such advices, especially for the economy. The rest are shout-outs. Shout-out to you, Maria Kian, Ibrahim Yasir. I'm representing from Bondi, Cherenghanyi. I'm from Vashem, Iwara, Tundan. It seems like the comments are disappearing. I think it's Riki Kei. I'm locked in outer Kachmasiv. I believe that's Kaka-Mega. The rest are made to my links to subscribe. And to subscribe, I promise. But right now, for those that are living in the city, do you think they should have a budget here? Yes, you're going. Last week, I tried to tell my co-presenters who are also on vacation. Look at me. I've been working here for a month. I've been working here for a month. January is coming, but it has 40 days. But here, in December, it's around two weeks. Two weeks, the last two weeks. Pick a side. Pick 40 days of January or two weeks of December and stand on it. Well, you see, it's true. People should have a budget or anything they do. Because the problem is, a lot of people out here, when they're outside and they see someone do something, they also want to replicate that and just to prove that they can do it or they can do better. And when you see a girl, it's normal. When you see her behind the scene, how are you living? Nobody knows how you're living. No one knows how you're living. So the way you spend your money out there, it should be according to what you have. Not what you don't have. You see, she's negative. Balance to balance. She's negative. She's negative to revive yourself and everything. But if you want to do something, you see, she's negative to the general budget. She's negative to the general budget. What's the general budget? They've increased rate charges for loans. So come out and borrow a loan, generally. What's the general budget? Among the guys, if it was 15, there's a bank or if it's 17. 17? Yes, so if you're servicing a debt, thank you for mentioning the bank or people say, there's several banks, big, prominent ones right here, among those that charges the loans. If you have anything to borrow, no next year, it's going to be hard. But I believe the universe got you. The universe got you. If you survived COVID, say you got normal, you can go out and come back. If you survived COVID, you can survive anything. Do you have a budget as well for holidays? Yes, I have a budget. I've seen people say I have no money in my debt. I have no money in my debt. The money I have is my own money. I have no money in my debt. I have no money in my debt. I have 20,000. Some people are getting into the traffic. They're getting paid a lot of money. Some people are spending a lot of money. Some people are just sitting in the house. So, you can earn money by spending money in your own business. You can also spend up to 50. That's all. Have you ever found yourself in such a situation? Yes, once. How did you find yourself in such a situation? I found myself in such a situation. How did you find yourself in such a situation? I found myself in such a situation. Do you reach out to... You have a good debit score? You can just go there. And all the even tracking美元 buns are for leasing. And you are definitely not eligible for over-drafts. Since I am self-employed I did not do anything wrong with carings. I am always happy to have two people do it. Most of the time we get to keep our dough out of the work that we're doing and maybe a holiday come We don't really plan for a holiday, we plan to go to Ch'a'a'a Because at the holiday we are thinking of having a session We are going to have a holiday and a holiday We are going to have a holiday and a holiday and a holiday But we are always busy We always take time because we are busy We spend the end of the month And it's easier to spend than to be working on a holiday If you live the house with a thousand bob You can't spend more than 50 You can't spend more than 20 And the value for a thousand bob has been reduced to 500 And 500 reduced to 250 bob So it's like it's down, down, down, down It's like it's down It's like it's down It's like it's down You won't get travel when you run out of road Road? We are going to continue We are going to plan for a holiday and we are going to go to Ch'a'a'a That's right We are going to go to Ch'a'a We are going to go to Ch'a'a We are going to go to Ch'a'a Alright I'm told we have four minutes to go Because you are out of time Do you think there's things that young people overdo? Especially during this festive season Like I said, if I need to during Christmas Definitely I don't overdo Maybe some that you've come across Somehow you landed on someone because I'm like Hey, this is the way This is the way Well, you know, not everybody out there drinking Means that they're celebrating Some of them are just drinking their sorrows away So yeah, so if you meet someone drinking It's not basically a sherehe money Maybe he's trying to get rid of something in their mind Or anything, but there's some people But does drinking a problem make it high? It doesn't solve a problem It doesn't make it go away But some people say At least it's not a problem At least it's not a problem It's not like you come and say Like a guide, like a help friend So some people like Instead of saying You come and say Guide me and save me and save me You don't have to go to a liquor store I teach you something You have to get rid of it You can't get rid of it You can't get rid of it You can't get rid of it You can't get rid of it Then you can't get rid of it So it's like It's like how do you go to a liquor store So like Sometimes you can't get rid of it Like it's like It's not advisable Yeah But there's a lot of energy To pull towards an event To just put a little bit of pressure Like over the weekend we had Was it coffee or Lomide? Yeah, coffee or Lomide We had even several Before we went to the country And there's one coming It's been over-hyped But I thank God for Gospel They said it's reviving Gospel music Is it possible to fall under pressure? The people You're hugging out If that's the thing that they do They influence you Because even me The people I hang around with The people influence me To push my work or do it I can't Say it Because it's not good Because it's not good She says it's not good This group of people Are people like We can't do it Bro, it's not good It's not good It's not good I don't live in that style sana But of course there's time for that But there's no way we can do it It's not good So if you live If you stay around such people To you know Gas you up You know, it's not good It's not good Because it's not good It's not good It's not good If you stay with such people They'll influence you That's true But also being a notice This comes with a lot of pressure You know Like you said You either have to cut out yourself And carve your own space Because there are so many voices Coming through Even from your fellow artists Yes Some of them are funded They're living these lavish lives Yeah Maybe for you You've intentionally started Your business from scratch And when you maintain You have to make bad decisions In you So that's what's going on Big brand But what's going on What's going on And you get sucked into it Yeah You make your worst decision And when I regret later Yeah, I've been through You know I've had friends before Who were in the same You know The same path But you know I cut them Because I've been having Oh Lifestyle in your naishi Ni ni ni ni I decided to put them aside And work on my art first Because at the end of the day Once you make it We're going to make it If you're not doing good I come to you and say Ah, I'm not going to ignore you But when you want to Scream me You say I know this person I know this person But that's only if You you put in some discipline In what you're doing And you know And focus on what you're doing Exactly I'm told we have to end it But your advice to Anyone young When you're in the Christmas size According to In your own words Your opinion On how me adds Size Okay, say Say to because I'm talking I'm on a discipline To lay I was talking to myself I was talking to myself To sit and see If the place is all up to you So relax Come out I'm going to take you Yeah So relax too But when you're in the So go to the bathroom Good time is always the best Your advice and then You can say your social media Both I'm sure you're going to get Are you going to You know You know If you are If you are You are going to be You are going to be Or you are going to be Over the Run your race You're going to be Over the Yeah, just run your race All right social media Very fast Denzel Cantana Cantana is C-A-R-N-T-A-N-N-N Denzel Cantana, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Denzel Cantana, and Hyperdellic Studio, we are based in Kasarani, Santon. Many of you are a music producer, singer, rapper, writer, actor, all those things. So check him out very fast. Yeah, I'm West Neka, Instagram, Twitter, all social media pages are digital marketer and also an entrepreneur. What's your Instagram name? I'm West Neka. Your business? Yes. But you're an entrepreneur. What's your business specifically? I'm a digital marketer. Oh, digital marketer. Yeah. So, you know how to get him. Please do that. It's up. So, Samar, thank you guys for coming. Yeah, thank you very much. Definitely for extending this conversation in the next episode right here on Why In The Morning. We are actually done. We're not taking a break. So thank you for watching. We'll see you tomorrow for help and entrepreneurship Tuesday. I'm Brian Sanko. Have a fantastic Monday. See you tomorrow.