 When we return 2012 NBA champion, Steven Jackson is here. We've got questions for Jackson. It's gonna be good. We are back, 2003 champion, I'm fired. Steven Jackson in studio today, co-host of the all the spoke podcast with horse with Matt Barnes, a ginormous podcast to say the very least. Oh my goodness, buddy, I know you love mornings. So do we, as you can tell. Okay, I know we're gonna get to the draft lottery last night, cause it's a big moment, but I know there was a lot made of. Well you are now, cause you mended, I mean, you're good. Yeah we're good. Right, well how did that all happen with you? Well nothing, actually we haven't had any conversations. It's just, you know, times pass, things happen, you know, I forgive them, they did give me an opportunity to win the championship, but you know, I had to let them know what they did. You know what I mean? A lot of people didn't understand how my career ended with San Antonio itself, I had to tell those stories. Let me ask you this though. In the same, in the interview you did with Jean-Tay Murray, you did reference women in San Antonio being meh. You want to talk about that with me? Yeah, I live there and you know, one thing about me, I like my women a friar way from being fat, right? I do, I like my women with some meat on them, right? So in San Antonio it was just perfect for me, you know. All the women that I like to eat, you know, it's one of the leading cities in obesity in Texas. It's just the truth, it's just the truth. But you know, it worked for me because I'm from Texas, so I was used to it. I know, we're allowed to say it guys, not y'all. We would not be fighting the same thing. We would not be arguing over that. I'm a country boy, I'm a country boy. But obviously we know all the expectations with Victor going number one, most likely going to the Spurs. What can he expect, you know, playing in that system, that city, for pop, everything that comes with it? I think the biggest thing for him that he's going to be in a system where everything is professional, is a championship organization they're used to winning. They do everything by the book. They're going to have everything he needs for him to be successful and be the best player he needs to be. I think it's the best situation for any young kid coming into the NBA is going to that family orientated San Antonio Spurs organization where you're going to get the best out of everything there. Look, I'm going to pivot a little bit. We don't talk about Spurs all day. John Murray, this is just something you've been outspoken about. And I know people say a lot of times your vets in the locker room, it would help. Stuff isn't happening in the locker room. But if you were his vet, what would your advice be to him in this situation you've had on situation you just spoke about as well? Like, what's going on? Like, what do you tell somebody going through this? Well, you know, at the same time, you can have vets, but you have to want to do right by yourself first, right? So when I made mistakes, you know, I did have vets to tell me like, okay, look, one more incident and it's over. Guys like Reggie Miller, guy like Steve Smith. So I was able to make some drastic changes in my life to be where I'm at today because I cared about the people around me. I didn't want to be selfish and make decisions that I heard people that I take care of. You know, I care about people around me. So I wanted to be, continue to be the protective provider that I was raised to be. So he has to make that decision on and sit down and look in the mirror like, okay, I'm being selfish to do these things. The second time it doesn't show maturity at all to do something so stupid again where, you know, and then it's self-inflicted. It's not nothing that somebody's doing or baiting him in to do it. He's doing it on his own. So I think it's nothing that a veteran or anything can do at this point. He has to look in the mirror and understand what's that jeopardy. He has to make these decisions. His dad can't tell him anything. His mom can't tell him anything. This is all on him. The second time, I think everything that's happening, the blame, the trouble he's going to get in suspension, all that needs to sit in his lap and he needs to deal with this time to understand what's at stake because last time the little slap on the hand of fake meetings he had with people, none of that. I knew none of that worked because they tried to make me meet with people. You know what I'm saying? We got in the brawl. You know what I'm saying? That didn't do any justice for me. So he has to own up to this and sit down and look in the mirror and understand that, okay, I made this mistake now. I have to deal with it. Whether it's suspension, whether it's missing it all year, he got to deal with it. Nobody could help him this time. Wait, what do you think the league should do? Suspension-wise, how much? Well, I've been a guy who lost 3 million for one punch. Yep. So I really don't want to get into that side of it. It's a hell of a punch. I don't think that's true. You know what I'm saying? I was helping somebody. I was actually helping a teammate, too. You know what I'm saying? I was actually helping my teammate. Y'all were going 12 or 18,000 in your head, too. I'm hurt. Suspension, whatever it is, Michelle, whatever it is, I just think that it needs to be something that is gonna make him realize what he has to stake because eight games didn't do it. Talking to people didn't do it. It has to pay a point where, because for me, when I got suspended 30 games and the game was taken away from me, I really had to sit down and like, and that's what really hurts. Money, the friends, all that, take the game away from him and see what happens. Yeah, honestly, it's sad to me that this kid has it all, right? He's got 230 million guaranteed. He's so talented. He's one of the most successful, fun to watch players in the league. And there's a small window for you to maximize that and to see him do it the first time and now to do the same thing again. Like you said, there was self-inflicted. It's not like TMZ got him, right? So this is just immature. It's ignorant. It shows his apology. Really didn't mean much because he just went. He surrounds himself with horrible people and I hope he gets better and I hope because, I mean, he's great for the league, right? He is so talented. He is fun to watch. But man, you can't, you're a role model. So many kids are watching. You can't put this message out there, right? I have a nephew, bro. I don't mean to cut you off, but I have a nephew. Epso, my brother passed at the end of last year, my little brother, and he's a big John Morett fan, right? He wears his hair like him, dresses like him, everything. I reached out to John and told him my brother, my little brother nephew really wants to meet you. Like he's going through a tough times. He lost his dad and he reached out. So he's a good kid. You know what I'm saying? He's a good kid. I just think that a lot of times when kids from my area fall into money, we turn, we want to be gangsta. We think that money makes us gangsta and that's totally the opposite. You know, I come from it and I made it a point for me to try to get away from it because I know how hard it was being in that life. And a lot of times when you see kids do that, they're trying to be something or not because the guys that really carry guns growing up, they try, they were trying to get out that light. So for him to do that, it shows that he's influenced by the wrong type of people, by the wrong type of music, and he should be the one influencing others instead of being influenced by nonsense. No, I mean, y'all say it all, I definitely agree. I think everything with a pro athlete and a position you're in, it's just accountability and the direction that you want to go. And with Jai, I think, you know, one thing that's occurring is he's going from being, you know, the young, cute, puppy kid that everybody loved to, you know, now being a man and, you know, comprehending that he has to take over the organization and franchise and the whole league to really set the tone and spoke everything down and be like, yo, this is how we're going to do things now. When he says a quote, everybody says it. When he does a dance, everybody does it. So I think he has to be cognizant of that at all times and be like, you know, I just got to at least do all my dumb stuff inside the crib with no phones. You know what I mean? And elevate to a businessman and an icon like he really is. The first time this happened was a lot more favor for him around the league. A lot of guys would say, hey, I get it. You know, this time it's a lot more of like, hey, fool me once, you know what I mean? But I'm talking to players around the league like, yo, he's, you said it earlier, he's a provider. He has too much responsibility. He has Nike, he has the NBA, his power at his, all these situations that are built on him, including his family and all that stuff. Now everybody's like, all right, Doug, like what are we doing now? And he's going to have to, he's going to have to live with that, like you said. And if they take away the game from him, they take away all that, he's going to have to look with, with the end. And I think, you know, we might finally be at that point, hopefully. And just to change pace, obviously I got a question for you. If you're James Harden, where would you be hooping at that shift? Oh, what a side step there. You staying felis, styled by the Lilas, or would you go down? Back to Texas where? But they're a little bit thicker, like you said. Well, you know, one thing, one thing about Houston, they love James and Houston. They love him and Houston. But if you're him, don't you go and just retire there in four or five years? Why would you go to this and? Because it ain't the same. But you're not, you're not winning there. Triple bill, leave, after party, like the streets is waiting for it. He has a restaurant there, restaurant 13. I think for him, man, it depends on what he wants out the rest of his career. Does he want to run his numbers up and have a good time and build his legacy in Houston? Does he want to stay in Philly? And with his guys, Dan Foney, and if he comes, and Dara Mori, and Luz for the rest of his career, because that's what's going to happen. Dan Toney ain't won nothing. I don't know why they think about bringing him in and bringing them back together. What have they won together? Nothing. I don't know. I don't know why they even think bringing that up. Dan Toney's the only guy that keep getting jobs that ain't won nothing. I don't, that hurts me to death, bro. But if you stay in Philly, it's going to really depend on what coach. It's going to really depend on what coach. They blamed everything on Doc. And Doc does have a bad track record of being a 3-1. I can't go against that. But if I was James, I would find a situation where I can beat me, but also win. And I think that's definitely not in Houston. It might be in Philly. Who knows where it is. But not in Houston. No. He ain't going to win it here. Just retire there. Yeah. That's it. If you want to chill, it's cool. Yeah, go ahead. Let's talk about you a little bit. The show we're mad at all the smoke. One of the biggest podcasts in the world. One of the biggest shows. At what point did you two come together and say, hey, let's do this? And when did you know that was the move for you? I think it was just a timing thing. I was doing Fox and ESPN at the time. And Matt was as well. And a lot of the shows, we were doing good and bringing a lot of attention to a lot of shows. We were like, man, we need to do our own show. And we were just sitting in the smoke on one day. And we were talking about the show. And as sister said, y'all need to come over to the show. Name it all the smoke. She came up with it. Matt had a great relationship with Ellen Rakuten. She's one of the creators of Red Table Talk. She brought us to Showtime with Brian Daly. We pitched the idea two weeks later, well, maybe a month later, we're doing a photo shoot for the show. And it's really tall out fans, man. I think for me and Matt, people love us because we wear our emotions on our sleeve. Everything we go through in life, we talk about it. We don't hide about it. And a lot of people that come on our show, they feel like they can do the same thing. Say things they've been wanting to say and get stuff off their chest. So the reason for our success has been for our support from our fans. But a lot of our guests that come on and tell good stories and give us a lot of stuff that nobody knew about them. So it's been a blessing from Showtime. And the shots out to Matt for bringing this together. Pull up, man. I know it's early. Yeah, pull up, man. He the boss, man. He do, hey, I don't mind getting up because he going to do all the hard stuff. He going to do all the meetings. He going to make sure the money, write the contracts, write some, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that. I do the dirty work. There you go. I went on your show. I had a great time. We had a great time. We had a great time. Might still be hot. You gave us the best Kobe story we've had on our show. The best Kobe story. That was crazy. That was all facts, too. It was not gassing that. But besides me, who were you most looking forward to chopping up on your show? Because you've had some crazy list of guests. My favorite guests were after Will Smith and Jim Gray. Jim Gray has been like a mentor of mine for the last five, six years. He talked about him in his book. And he's somebody who I talk to a lot, even with the boxing space now. I'm learning a lot from him. But Jim Gray has some of the best stories. He's been around so long. Muhammad Ali's first and last interview. He got a lot of great stories of sports, man. But Will Smith's first interview was right after the Chris Rock. And also, when he just dropped the Emancipation movie, it was an excellent movie. Antoine Foucault, it was a great movie. And just been able to talk to him. And he announced on the show that he's producing my documentary with Westbrook. Yeah, so that interview was just great. I was able to meet him and to pick his brain. Jax, this has been a pleasure and an honor. All this film, I don't even know. I don't need to promote it. It's one of the biggest podcasts out there. It's been great to see you. I know you're busy and you're off. It's been a while. We're going to come back and wrap things up really, really, really quickly. We're going to back the chance. Y'all gonna give up? Y'all not? Run it back. Run it off. Run it back, yeah, yeah. Run it back. Run it back. Run it up. Run it.