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Vu, thanks for coming on the show Can you give our audience a little bit of a background as to what you do before we get into our topic sounds great So I was originally trained as a conventional MD as an interventional radiologist So a lot of people don't know what that is So radiology you go into the hospital or a clinic x-rays CT scans MRIs Ultrasounds are all these different advanced technologies that you could use to pierce inside the body So as a diagnostic radiologist, I was able to see pretty much all different type of diseases And what it looked like inside the body as an interventional radiologist Actually use that technology to do minimally invasive surgeries So I was able to use a real-time x-ray machine to see inside the body What type of surgeries would I do I would basically if blood vessels are clogged up I could put a small little tube inside a blood vessel and open them up There were blood vessels that lead into tumors I could I could put a tube in there and deliver either radiation or chemotherapy in I With a CT scan I could see where our mass is and direct a needle into that mass and either take a sample of it Burn it or freeze it. So as a radiologist, I was able to see lots of disease as an interventional radiologist I was able to treat a lot of disease but I didn't Go into longevity and performance medicine because of all this fancy technologies I went into it because five years ago. I was trained at probably the best institutions in the country the NIH UCLA UC San Diego Howard Hughes Medical Institute, and I'm not saying that to impress you I'm saying that to impress upon you that five years ago I was this doc on top of my game and I was overweight. I was diabetic I was hypertensive and I was taking prescription medications not knowing that I didn't learn how to be healthy going through the path of conventional traditional medicine and it was really that journey of understanding what health really is that I was able to reverse my conditions in a short period of time and now This is what I practice with my concierge back up for a second for a minute So walk me through how a kid who's aspiring to be a doctor one day says I'm gonna be an intervention radiologist Interventional radiologist. Okay. Yeah. So how do you how does that happen? I mean, what drives you into that that that field? Okay, well great question. Well for me. Well, I have to go back even further now to my history I was actually not born in this country I was born a couple years after the Vietnam War and My parents were were from the South and they had seized all the businesses there And as my parents were actually Chinese immigrants to Vietnam They took away their businesses They took away all all all their money and my parents were like, hey, you know what? We're about to have a child I can't raise him here in this country. And so they took me And we escaped on this refugee boat. I was on a refugee boat with 2,000 other refugees Being the only infant to survive I spent eight months on that boat another three months in a Philippine refugee camp And then we were sponsored to America by a Catholic Church So yay America and you would think a kid growing up, you know being the only kid to have survived this this this boat voyage Would be very grateful But that was in the case, you know, I grew up in Chinatown LA was an immigrant neighborhood But I got bused to a more affluent area for school when I went to school I was constantly being teased for the holes in my hand me down clothes to the stinky food my mom You know something to school with I used to be called Chinky all the time. And so There was that energy of I'm not enough. I was constantly I wanted to actually be like a comedian or rock star You know, like my heroes were like Tony Robin Robin Williams make Jagger I looked at the TV and I said, you know, there's nobody that looks like me there, you know, there's no Asian Motivational speaker or comedian and so and then I just saw these images and you know, you know It this brought me back to a lot of my own history when I saw a lot of the Asian hate happening around the coronavirus Yeah, and I just remember not feeling like I was enough, you know I had actually wanted to be that entertainer to use my voice for something but my mom So you say well hot as a kid wanted, you know Go into interventional radiology. My mom said, you know what kid son You have three choices. You could be a doctor an MD or a physician I was just gonna ask you because that's a very interesting experience, but it could have gone another way you could have gone the angry You know victim I guess Mentality screw this is not, you know worth it. I'm just gonna whatever but instead you went and it sounds like you went and Busted your ass with so that was your parents influenced. Yeah, that was my that was my parents influence Why did I end up going into radiology? Well radiology was the most sexy thing we had in medicine I mean you you got to play with the most advanced technologies That's true being able to do a surgery through a pinhole in your body was pretty damn cool So that's why I ended up choosing that and you mentioned this one thing like, you know, I didn't choose the victim mentality There's a quote from the Dalai Lama and this is how I got chronic disease There's a quote from the Dalai Lama. He says what he found most interesting about humanity and as the story goes a Reporter asked him. Okay. Well, what do you find most interesting about humanity? He said man because he would sacrifice his health in order to make money I've heard this and then sacrifice his money to recuperate his health. That's so crazy, right? I Didn't have that make victim mentality But I had this feeling of not enough and that I was constantly needing to chase something outside of myself, right? chasing Getting into the next residency chasing climbing up in in the hospital And it was always busting busting busting Seeking for something outside of me and when you get stressed out when your body stressed out doing that You're gonna take on bad habits like not sleeping very well not eating very well And the constellation of bad habits stacked upon bad habits that what's drives a low bio energetic state Which we could talk about in a second and that's what leads to chronic disease Hmm, and now you were I mean you're obviously not an older young So you said this was how long ago five years ago seven years ago five years ago So five years ago you're doing all these things Diabetic prescription medications not healthy as a young man. Yeah, and you mentioned stress and overwork obviously contributed to that Was there like a specific turning point? Was there a moment where you're like, okay? This is not working. I feel like every hero's journey has this little dip and What I thought was probably the worst year of my life turned out turned out to be the greatest gift of my life And so I was this you know Interventional radiologists really thought I was at the top of my game I was traveling around the world speaking of the advances in interventional radiology But you know, I had all the symptoms also at the same year. I needed show shoulder surgery And I wasn't sure if I could practice anymore I lost a close uncle to cancer and then I lost, you know, a woman. I thought I was gonna marry I was so You know, you know wrapped up in succeeding succeeding Succeeding that I neglected my relationships and so all these things kind of happened, you know In the same year and I was overweight diabetic and all those things and I remember this one instant I was feeling pretty sorry for myself and I was rounding the hospital and I pick up the chart for the patient I was gonna see next and I look at the chart This is a 43 year old male with terminal pancreatic cancer and when you have cancer when you have cancer cells plugging up What is your your lymphatics in your belly? He had 10 liters of fluid in his belly. It's cities, right? There you go. Malignant asides is what he had and so I had to tap 10 liters from his belly And I remember thinking oh my god, okay, I gotta put myself together I know I'm feeling like shit, but I got to put myself together because poor, you know Poor guys about to die. I opened the door and I just remember man I get chills every time I think about it But he looks at me with the biggest eyes and the biggest smile. Hey doc, how you doing man? Thank you so much for being here, man I'm gonna feel so much better once you tap this and I just remember feeling so much Like love and everything that was going on in my head I forgot about and I had to ask him his name was Ishmael. I asked him Ishmael How are you so positive now and is his doc? It's easy. Well, it's not so easy because I didn't spend my entire life like this But cancer gave me a gift cancer gave me the gift of knowing that no matter what life circumstances are I always have a choice in how I show up in the world and now I choose to show up with love and now I choose to show up with joy and That was the instance there. That was the defibrillator shock I said I was living my life in a certain way and I've got chronic disease I got to figure this out. I got to make new choices and that's when it left full-time Interventional radiology. Wow, that's tough because you're you've you studied so hard You spent so much time in this particular field and you know, I want to be very clear Western medicine's got tremendous value at treating especially comes a treating a cute, you know, health issues, right? If you something's gonna kill you right now It's you want to go to Western medicine to make sure that you don't die Right, but one thing that they tend to not do so well at currently although I think it's gonna start trending in this direction. They're not very good at wellness prevention or treating Chronic illness and that's a tough realization when you spend so much time and energy in that space Was that hard? Did you resist that or you open-minded to that? Well, I knew I needed to change and at the time I didn't know You know any other medicines or healing modalities outside But I started off just working on my physical habits like I used to not sleep very well I used to wake up with a cup of coffee six pumps of international delight Double that and then monster energy drinks throughout the day and I wonder why I couldn't sleep at night And I wake up exhausted when the truth is this that's not not normal for a lot of doctors That's a lot of common. A lot of doctors don't eat very well Absolutely, and how can you look at a doctor give you medical advice when when they're not really the epitome of health? And I didn't know this at first, but once I started to do that I started to notice a shift in my body I'll say oh my god I'm starting to actually feel better then I went deeper than there is functional medicine now There are alternative medicines out there. I did plant medicines that to actually go through some of the the deep Mental work and we actually talk I actually do some psychedelic work myself But it wasn't until I started to really understand those concepts Started to understand epigenetics and that's the new exciting thing because our DNA is not what we get from mom and dad. That's partially true. Some people think okay I'm gonna get a disease because mom and dad had a disease Well, it's partly true. You get a DNA from mom and dad But it's actually the DNA is all the plays that you could have in your cellular playbook Right, but you're not playing all those plays at the right time In fact, you have to play the bright plays at the right moment in order for you to get great health You play the wrong plays just like in a game. You're gonna lose the game Well, what's in that? What's the same goal that your your DNA is what loads the gun and then you're your choice is Your choices are what pulls the trigger right and that's exactly it And then if we start to understand that our cells and our DNA are constantly listening to the energetic surrounded Moment by moment Then we'll start to be like okay, and here's the thing in my book I talk about the seven things the seven bio energetic things that actually tells ourselves in a moment-to-moment basis Are you in a very safe and thriving environment or are you in a stress or danger environment? And the thing is the cool thing is those seven things you and I can control We are really in control of that energetic environment that speaks to our DNA and therefore We are in control of achieving optimal health longevity and peak performance or having chronic symptoms and chronic disease Yeah, no, it's I love this field. It's interesting because there are actually although genetics are connected to lots of different Chronic issues. There's very few Health issues that are completely determined by genetics. There really is very very few There's definitely genetic issues, but there's very few that are guaranteed. Most of them are exactly, you know What you're talking about. Do you feel like this puts you in a unique position because you have such an extensive, you know Traditional medical and science background to then move into kind of the wellness and functional kind of health space. I Didn't think so initially. I was thinking man, you know, I was trained at all these top institutions yet I got chronic disease what the F but now I could say no I actually went through and I've got all this traditional training I understood diseases from a Medical world, but you know, I was there's a there's an Indian parable about, you know Six blind men and the elephant right one of them sees the elephant and and he feels the trunk and thinks Oh, okay, it's a snake one of them feels the tusk and thinks this is a spear And the idea is you don't see the entire thing and you know when I was studying western medicine I only looked at health from one component But now I could see different parts and I don't think I see everything But I'm starting to see more and more of that elephant and that allows me Now to be able to say hey, you know what I went through the medical route I am an assistant clinical professor at UCLA But there were things that we don't know and there's limitations to conventional medicine Now do you think there's some there's some dogma that surrounds the western medicine that that keep us from Excelling that now that you've kind of dabbled in the kind of eastern or more holistic view of looking at things Now looking back. Do you see the dogma that's in that? Yeah, certainly. I think, you know, you know, you know I might get reamed for for saying this but I mean, I feel like a lot of my medical education was paid for by the drug companies Unfortunately, you know, uh, you know, and it's a way of treating a symptom with with a drug Not understanding that the root causes of a lot of disease are things that we self-inflict Not knowing it when we're not conscious Yeah, I look we work in the fitness space and I can't tell you I mean They're constantly looking for a cure to obesity When obviously lifestyle, but you know, and it's yes, I agree with you driven by pharmaceutical companies But that's also driven by consumers because I've got look I had doctors I used to train a lot of doctors back in the day when I had a personal training studio And a few of them were like you very very health focused and they'd tell me Sal I tell you man, I'll sit down with my patient and I'll tell them We need to change your diet. You need to exercise regularly and people don't want to do it They just don't listen. Yeah, if I you take this pill, they'll do it Even then actually studies will show people often don't even take their medications So it's a very tough. Yeah, that's part of culture though It is like that's something that we have created for ourselves. I think we have to break that cycle I don't think that's in humans. I think that that's just how we've treated everything forever, right? Absolutely. I just feel like our modern-day society Links up success with all these things that are outside of ourselves You know links up, you know, how you should be from not being who you truly are authentically I mean my path of healing was really to understand why I'm here to love myself And my path of healing was really accepting myself knowing who I am as a person what I have to contribute And we don't say that to the people growing up. It's like, okay, you need like my mom You need to go into this field. Let's let's take away the things that that make you happy And and and and program these other things into you and we forget Who we really are and it's that part of the remembering You know part of this those seven things number seven is actually purpose and purpose is remembering who we are And who are and what we're meant to serve to other people. Okay, so let's get into those seven Those seven points and you referred to this is like the what did you call this bio energetic? Yeah, the bio energetic state. Okay, so so let's let's define that first like what do you mean by bio energetic state? Okay, so You know back when I was uh, you know, uh in college I actually went to usc to study, you know to study cells in impetri dish And there are you know, I study these lung cells and there's two type of lung cells One is the type one cell that basically lines the lung Participates in gas exchange Then there was a type two cell which was like a stem cell that could turn into type one cells But and it also helps secrete something called surfactant which keeps the lung moist Well, we studied how these cells behaved in the petri dish and we started to learn okay Well, when does this one cell differentiate into another cell? How does the cell behave? Well, when we started to change the nutrients in the medium, they started to behave different We started to change the temperature. It's hard to shift its behavior in terms of how rapidly it divided We changed the light and it started to change So it turns out what determines the behavior or the state of a cell is not actually the DNA But it's actually all the energetic environment that's around it that determines how this cell behaves And that DNA is constantly listening again moment to moment with all that energetic environment Right and what controls that environment? everything because your DNA is constantly listening but so To learn everything and think there's an infinite amount of things that affects yourselves Isn't going to help you or me, but there are actually seven main things in the book sleep nutrition movement emotional and stress mastery Relationships and purpose our thoughts and mindset those seven things Is the 80 20 rule or the 90 10 rule as to whether or not you can be in the thrive state Which gives you access to optimal health longevity and peak performance Or if your cells think you're in stress because you haven't mastered those seven things They think that you're in actually a stress or danger state. That's when Inflammation increases immunity decreases. That's when you have chronic symptoms. That's when you get chronic disease This this totally supports the studies on longevity where they'll they'll notice that you know people in this particular part of the world Live on average 10 or 15 or even 20 years longer than people in this part of the world It must be their genetics then what they'll do is they'll follow the offspring that move to a different part of the world Within one generation their lifespan matches the place that they live because as soon as they start to follow That particular lifestyle. So it wasn't the genetics. It was all the other stuff So how did we how did we distill down to these seven? Was it something that you were watching with the cells when you guys were Studying them or how did you distill down to these seven? Well, so when I was studying the cells It was really one of the earlier You know at least for me in my career knowing that the environment is actually controls the cellular behavior Then I started, you know as I as I healed myself I started to do more work into epigenetics studying telomeres working with epigeneticists And you'll notice now a lot of people like well, what's the cure for depression? Oh sleep exercise nutrition Oh, what's what's the cure for? You know diabetes well sleep You started to study all these things and you started to see patterns like the root cause of a lot of these things So here we are so our individual cells cells make up tissues make up organs make up organ systems That make up who we are right? So we want optimal health and longevity and peak performance well We need optimal cells for that when our cells start to break down if our cells Are suboptimal that these are suboptimal tissues suboptimal organs suboptimal systems If you have a suboptimal cardiovascular system atherosclerosis heart attack stroke suboptimal endocrine system diabetes suboptimal immune system you get cancer autoimmune disease so that's what Determines, you know, whether or not we're on the positive side of the coin of optimal health longevity and peak performance and not Is mastering that bio energetic state? All right. Let's start with the first one. You mentioned was sleep Yeah, so let's talk about that one for a second. Uh, why First off, I think it's widely understood or I guess common knowledge that In modern societies or modern times we tend to suffer from poor sleep Why what is why is sleep such an issue? How and was it better in the past? It was certainly better in the past I believe it's our modern lifestyle and how we're living our life that people are programmed to not do the things that we were Naturally meant to do as human beings right Beginning with sleep. Why are people not sleeping so much? Well, there's a lot of chronic stress that's out there We've got a lot of blue light now that suppresses melatonin Um, so people aren't sleeping very well because of that. Um, and so why sleep so important? Well, sleep is one of those things that is important for our circadian rhythm, right? So when we sleep Our body rejuvenates we get rid of a lot of toxins that are in our central nervous system And we we we get replenished and it also Resets our circadian rhythm, which is the master clock that our hormones use Right. So when our when your hormones are off try losing weight. That's not going to happen Right or hormones drive everything. So if people aren't sleeping very well Your body's going to think you're going to be in in a stress state You have a chronic elevation and cortisol everything kind of like falls apart Yeah, you know, it's interesting about that about sleep is that you think it's It's it's well on its surface. It's evolutionarily disadvantageous to sleep, right? You're eight hours You're not doing anything. You're super vulnerable to attack. Something can kill you Why do we sleep? Obviously it's that important Otherwise evolution would have figured it out and we would have stopped sleeping by now So it's super super important. You mentioned chronic stress Now I think when I go back and I'm gonna play devil's advocate, right? It must have been super stressful 5000 or 10 000 years ago I got to watch out for predators and foods hard to find, you know, hard to find and maybe a tribe attacked us What's the difference between the stress then and the stress now? What do you mean by chronic? That's a great question. So back in the day We got stressed when there was a saber-tooth tiger behind us or when the neighboring village Was about to come attack. That was stress When they weren't around we went back just like the animals When there's a line around they they get you know into their parasympathetic state They run away and then they'll go back to grazing Stress this day. Who's the saber-tooth tiger today a bad text from from a friend or like a twitter post That's that's like all the time right where somebody cutting you off on the freeway All those things are acting like that saber-tooth tiger to you And the thing is the stress response is a good response because it will increase your heart rate and Increase blood flow to your to your muscles so that you could run away from from an actual threat It causes your blood to thicken because if a saber-tooth tiger were to bite you you can claw it off right away But because all that blood gets diverted to your muscles your visceral organs that are that's important for life It doesn't get that blood flow, right? You've got inflammation to increase because if you get a flesh wound you you want your body to come Come and attack that that that flesh wound so inflammation increases and who needs an immune system when you're about to be lunch So your immune system drops at that point So your immune system goes up You're basically setting up all that in that environment or all that energy that that's used, you know For growth and healing gets diverted into this stress response And because we are chronically, you know responding to that stress Our body is not, you know meant to to handle that stress day in day out all day That's the problem and then of course how can you sleep when you've got this kind of crown? So do you have any takeaways or steps for improving Your sleep quality or the time first of all i've heard i've read that seven to nine hours is ideal for most people Is that true and then how do you improve the quality of your sleep right now in the context of modern life? Yeah, so great question Seven to nine hours is generally enough and you'll you'll know if you ask yourself, you know, like during the day Do you feel well rested or you're not, you know, uh, well rested So you'll gauge and here's the other thing is when you start to you know, do some of the other things in in the um The other seven bio energetic elements you'll notice that maybe you need a little bit less sleep But generally it's around seven to nine hours Now I look throughout the day because a good night sleep really begins in the morning So when I get up in the morning, I usually go right outside The first thing I do is to get 20 to 30 minutes of natural sunlight in my eyes in my skin It tells my circadian rhythm. It's time to reset. It's time to wake up You get a small boost of cortisol when you do so Throughout the day Here's the other thing I didn't use to do is you know And we can go through this a little bit later as to what I do during the day But I always like every like couple of hours I would check in to bring my body back into a Paris parasympathetic state It's not when but you know, how is the day gonna gonna like bump up your stress levels? And it's understanding that you need to manage your stress levels kind of throughout the day Right, so I do breathing techniques. I do a little meditation I know I'm not gonna drink coffee or actually, you know quit on drinking alcohol all together I won't drink any of that past 2 p.m. Because the caffeine could cling around your body at night um I do have a pair of blue bocking glasses. I'll put on around 6 7 p.m At night, I'll have a routine and it's really for me I like to have a little ceremonies with myself and you know, this this happens with meditation This happens with my nighttime routine. I'm journaling things that make me happy I'm journaling the things that I might have to think about the next day So that it's out of my brain onto a piece of paper um And then uh that I spent a little bit of time, you know, uh cuddling up with my partner and uh And off we go. Justin's a big cuddler. Yeah Adam loves that about him. People are cuddling me now the the what about the tip? I've heard the temperature of the room is important to keep it cool Uh, keep it real dark. These are all important factors. Absolutely improving your sleep. Yeah, so uh, some people are really really sensitive to light But keeping the um keeping the room as dark as possible is great I also sleep on a chili pad that actually brings down the temperature with them. Okay. Yeah great great company Yeah, so and feel it's great. But if we do enough we could hit it like five sponsors here in this episode We're on a roll. Yeah Yeah, no, it makes a big difference. Uh, you know, I a question that I have just around sleep is revolves around snoring or Sleep issues and I'm short of getting a sleep study because I think that's ideal, right? You go do a sleep study, but you got to sleep in a lab They watch you do the whole thing Are there signs to look out for to say to see if maybe you're not getting Enough oxygen while you're sleeping or maybe you're having issues with you know that might have apnea or something. Yeah Yeah, well, certainly. Uh, well a few things one. Are you tired during the day? All right, so that's that's a good question asked to if you have a partner sleeping with you that's actually You know observing you are you snoring a lot? Are there times where they're like, oh, you know You know, it seems like you can't catch your breath. You would snore and then you would stop breathing for a little bit So so that that's that's that's my wife was just complaining, right? The other thing you could do is relatively cheap. You could actually get a a finger Oxygen saturation level, right? You can get those for less than 10 bucks And you could wear that and have somebody else observe what your oxygen levels are at night but But those things daytime sleepiness Plus snoring or somebody observing that you're not sleeping very well That should maybe you know hint that maybe you should now sleep positions Is that matter as much or is this just a personal preference? It depends on each person so depends depending on your anatomy because you'll The problems that that people get with sleep apnea is if you happen to have a lot of Tissue in your soft palate and if you happen to have a pretty thick tongue and maybe a thick neck like I did Certain positions will you know obstruct that airway a little bit more So you kind of have to experiment You know what I found interesting about that this is not so you it's more common in people that are obese and overweight But I actually have a client just got a sleep test and Christine you guys know she in phenomenal shape and actually she has severe sleep apnea. She had no idea Have building, uh, believe it or not building a muscular neck. Uh, I've heard can contribute to that. Um, so it's kind of interesting That's very interesting. Okay. So after sleep, which I I agree is extremely important What would be the next one that you okay? So the next thing is nutrition nutrition All right, let's talk about that. There's lots of controversy around nutrition. We deal with this all the time What are the staples in nutrition from a health longevity standpoint? We first addressed to like how much knowledge most doctors have in nutrition Close to nothing. We got nothing in medical second semester, right? No, she wasn't even a semester. I don't even remember getting a lecture. I mean, I I just find that crazy or ironic or is it our fault as a society just to assume that doctors have all this nutritional As a trainer. That was one of the hardest things being a you know, 23 year old Fitness trainer and then I've got doctors that were giving terrible nutrition device to my clients And then of course I lose that battle all day long because I don't have the phd Yeah, so uh, looking in front of the camera now look the the traditional md doesn't get a lot of training and um You know fortunate to have podcasts like this, you know that people start to understand You know, how important nutrition is to you know, uh to your health And yeah, we didn't get that and so I I didn't I had to do all that training after I got disease Start to understand. Okay. What I need to put in my mouth and and and how important the role is Uh nutrition in in terms of like food is medicine share that journey that what was that like for an md educated person And now you're gonna start heading down the nutrition path Uh, did you have some pitfalls? Did you did you see some did you try some specific diets or like? How did that all come together for you? Yeah, so uh it initially just started not doing the sad diet Which is the standard american diet, right? So, um, I actually went vegan for a little bit and that actually improved my symptoms But only to a certain point, you know, I I started to find out You know to discover that I started to get a little bit tired and things like that Uh, and I I my my body was craving the protein So I went vegan for a little bit then I started to take in meats again But then I started to take in the quality meats, right? So a lot of it was just ditching the standard american diet, which is just ditching sugar ditching processed foods And sticking to pretty much a whole food minimally processed Uh situation that that you know, I used to kind of reverse, you know, my chronic conditions Yeah, you know, I'm glad you said that about going vegan and you initially felt some improvement this is the pitfall that a lot of people run into is they'll try a diet And they'll start to see some improvement and they'll think it's about the diet when in reality It's about probably the reduction in calories So you probably went vegan and ate less And eating less typically if you're eating in a car or you eliminated some crap that yes That's the main thing Most people are just eating crap. That's what I'm limiting That's my experience my experience I would tell a client that you would fall in love with any said diet It could be the vegan diet kind of our diet paleo, whatever. Oh my god, so magical It's like well, let's look at what you were doing before eating donuts Yeah, and what you do now and it's more likely that you were doing something that was probably a gross offender And your body didn't like right and now you're not more so than it is this magical diet Are there other general things around nutrition when it comes to creating this this positive bio energetic state? Yeah, I think the key things are Like I said getting rid of the sugar getting rid of the processed foods including good healthy fats coconut oil avocado olive oil Is good The meats that you choose I think are going to be important Because there are meats industrial like raised meats that are going to be more inflammatory Then read the meats that are like grass-fed or sustainably, you know raised fish pasture raised chicken and and pork You mentioned coconut oil. It's super high in saturated fat So and now we've talked about saturated fat and some of the myths surrounding it So why why why recommend an oil that's so high in saturated fat when We're told so often to completely avoid at least we were told so often to avoid that Yeah Well, we were told, you know to avoid that because back in the day people really thought that LDL was the main issue in terms of You know cardiovascular events Uh That that story starting to change a little bit. So saturated fat Will raise your LDL levels and I noticed that uh as well But one I found I was more satiated when I ate more Saturated fat it will bump up your LDL levels a little bit But people need to you know dive in a little bit deeper if your LDL goes up There are factors that are more important than just the LDL alone How fluffy your LDL particles are make a big difference. So if you have nice fluffy LDL particles, that's not athrogenic Um, uh, your particle number is going to be super important as well So if you've got lots of very tiny particles, they are more athrogenic than than uh, when you have like, you know Uh, a lower LDL number. So all these things play play an important role. So I mean people were demonizing saturated fat before because Uh, they didn't want to demonize sugar at the time. Oh, yeah Yeah, I know the sugar industry actually that came out that they actually spent money on that Yep, there was a famous study too where they took uh, a group of is actually quite controlled where they took a bunch of people Cut out their saturated fat intake we placed it with Uh, processed vegetable oils And they did lower to everybody's cholesterol then later on when they followed them along They actually saw their mortality increase. So they had lower cholesterol numbers, but they had higher mortality In this particular study. Yeah, I think they were using corn oil. Yes, they were Very interesting. So I think I think the story with LDL is uh, is a little bit incomplete and we're starting to understand It's not just the LDL alone. Yeah, that's cool And I I will say as you mentioned this earlier about pharmaceutical companies driving a lot of what we learn We have a drug that very reliably lowers cholesterol And I think that's part of the reason why we've placed so much focus on cholesterol because we have an easy solution Oh high cholesterol take this pill and there are some benefits in certain situations the studies are quite clear on that But I think it's I mean it's got it's so much more complex than that, right? It is absolutely more complex than that and just to let people know I mean a couple years back I was thinking oh, we should put this, you know, everybody should be on this. I've heard that put stands in the water Yeah, it will lower your your cholesterol levels. It's also kind of like Uh anti-inflammatory, but people don't tell you that years of taking it. It will affect, you know, your your muscles You know, it can you know cause, you know, uh, esophagitis and will cause, you know, muscles to kind of leak Um, you know, uh cause your muscle to be inflamed So it's it's not you know, if you got early stage in your your cholesterol just a little bit elevated Go the lifestyle route, you know, if you got a heart attack and you you've got tons of plaque Okay, fine. Maybe start there and also use the lifestyle stuff. All right, so it was a sleep nutrition. What's next? You know movement what you guys do a movement We probably don't need to go into too much detail because you're you're people well I'd love to hear from you More specifics about movement. I'm looking at you You obviously work out and you probably you looks like you do some resistance training Are there better forms of movement? Versus others in other words, if someone only has a couple days a week To devote to exercise are there some that you found to be more beneficial than others? Great question. So I think as we age, you know, including some kind of resistance, um, exercise Whether it be weightlifting whether it be using your body weight is so important because sarcopenia or the lack of muscle mass as we age is a big um Indicator of of of, you know, not doing so well when you get a little bit older having more lean muscle body mass Actually, um, is tied to longevity. So that's super important, particularly as you get older Even when you feel like you're a little bit weaker. I like to include Sprinting a week doing an all out sprint. Um, and uh, occasionally throw in some high intensity interval training. Oh very cool So that's the movement part. What's next? Uh, the next part is emotional and stress mastery. Okay. So this one's This one's interesting, right because I think most people suck at it. That's yeah Well, also because I think people think that stress mastery means no stress at all But stress is important too, right? Like exercise is a stress on the body. You have to have that stress, right? Getting some like that stresses your skin out a little bit your body out, but there's obviously positives to it What do you mean by stress mastery? Yeah, so it's understanding that there are um emotional states The lead to inflammation. So there's basically a couple of emotions in our body, right? And if your body thinks you're in stress, what happens? It turns on the stress or danger response There's actually a um, a gene sequence that's in your dna that whenever It senses that your cells are in danger. It'll turn that on and what happens Everything we talked about with the savor to tiger, right? Inflammation goes up immunity goes down Long term that sets you up for chronic symptoms and chronic disease so emotions like anger Like fear like worry like anxiety like resentment all those emotions those little vibrational emotions actually Causes that stress response to turn on on the flip side the emotions of love of gratitude of connection um of laughter Is anti-aging and they actually have biochemical responses that Lead to increased length of telomeres and the exact opposite. They're anti-aging. So you need to understand that that you know If I am in anxiety and worry constantly, I mean they're cues to your body You can use them as signals in your body But if that's the predominant emotion of what your body might be going and and what you're feeling day in and day out You're actually driving the stress response, you know, dr. Vue. I'm going to make a statement I'd love your comment on or your feedback on so Yeah, I think about this a lot like why is it so easy and natural for us to experience those negative Or unhealthy emotions and why is it so challenging? To to find sometimes those positive emotions and the best that I can come up with is that those negative emotions tend to be more reactionary So it's it's automatic anger is automatic fear is automatic Whereas the other ones require a little bit more Consciousness, you know sometimes. I mean it can be automatic too, but sometimes I have to like put myself there Is that is that would you say that's accurate? I would say that's pretty accurate and the thing is We You know if we think of all the thoughts that we think of on a day to day or second to second basis 70 80 percent of those thoughts are going to be negative Why is that? Well evolutionary being able to be to worry about certain things or fearing certain things kept us safe And so that's why those thoughts are there, you know, they're used to keep us safe But you know You don't have to believe your thoughts and actually most of your thoughts aren't true and you can start to You know, you can't control those thoughts from coming in what you can control is how you decide to focus the thoughts What type of meaning you put into the thoughts, which is the next category up, which is you know our thoughts and mindset because You could have a negative inflammatory thought that when you focus on Increases the stress response increasing inflammation lowering your immunity and putting you in chronic disease And why do we spend so much time in those negative things? People aren't trained or know that okay I don't have to believe my thoughts and I could consciously choose to start to feel these different things But you've got to practice that. Yeah, I think it has to do with self-awareness and and being present, right? So negative stuff wakes everybody up that shit happens in your day And you are now hyper present in that moment because it rattles you Good shit happens to you all the time and you don't even think about it You're already already thinking about the next thing that you're pursuing or you want to do and you're not present in the moment And I feel like mastering self-awareness is where a lot of this lies in my opinion. Oh, absolutely Yeah, I was gonna say too like as you were mentioning your process for getting prepared for sleep To you had mentioned like journaling and and sort of reflecting on maybe some positive things that were going on with your day And you know, do you feel that that's something that has An advantage in terms of being able to train yourself to start thinking those thoughts more often. Absolutely There is a Holocaust survivor that I use basically his quote all the time And I also have a technique that I that I teach my to my clients all the time and Victor Frankel Wrote man search for meaning he was a Holocaust survivor have witnessed deaths, you know a family and friends And he had this to say he said between stimulus and response. There's a space And in that space is our power to choose a response And in our response lies our growth and freedom So understanding that we could always be in control not react But be able to see how we're reacting because our thoughts and beliefs a lot of it is just You know society Parents are upbringing Programming a lot of that stuff even before we are aware from from the ages of zero to seven But we can be aware that those thoughts that are in there that those old programs Aren't necessarily ours and we could actually decide to choose the thing differently So there's a technique when when somebody comes in and they they're they're feeding a cookie Uh, and they've got an urge for a cookie or they've got a negative emotion that they're feeling Like Victor Frankel says create space between stimulus and response So I take 10 deep breaths in and out In through my nose out through my mouth What that does is it'll activate your vagus nerve and it'll put you in a parasympathetic state So whatever that is that craving or that negative emotion will actually drive that down In that space where you choose you act Which stands for awareness choice and then take action Have the awareness. Oh my god. Okay. There's that craving again or like Oh, there's that negative thought again. That's driving this negative feeling. Oh, I don't have to believe that thought So having that awareness first see choice. That's when you Constantly choose use your intention. No, you know what right now? I'm angry at my partner But I want to show up with love, right? Yeah, okay I want to be a compassionate or generous lover. Okay, cool Last thing take action from that new space. Okay. I want to feel this way. All right, cool Let me then act differently if you do that over and over and over again, you're going to train your body I don't have to react Of what my lower brain system says I could choose something different. No, that's the power there speaking into like Into your medical profession Um, have you noticed like so the placebo effect if you notice people coming in with with a belief system And a positive outlook in terms of their success rate Have you noticed any kind of substantial difference between somebody's attitude like going through and their outcome and their outcome? Absolutely So I would pay for a placebo that works any time Right because how we think and how we feel about something Like I said a thought any emotion has biochemical, you know signature to it. It actually affects What's going on in your body? So if you start to think and feel differently about something You're going to have positively affect, you know, what your body's feeling and those higher vibrational emotions like I said gratitude joy You know optimism all that has biochemical things that affect your bio energetic state in your body Which will change, you know, how your body responds to things Yeah, but you know, it's funny that the I referred to my clients that I trained before that were doctors And we would have this conversation. I don't know if they would ever even say this publicly, but they said, you know With decent accuracy I can predict Oftentimes who's going to make it and who isn't based off of some of the stuff you're talking about Did you find that to be true? I'm noticing that now So I work with you know, I work with ceo celebrities down in down in la And I could you could feel from their energy kind of where they're at Wow, right interesting, you know, this conversation reminds me of we had a conversation with a friend of ours, uh, paul check And uh, we we talk on the podcast quite often about the the wisdom in some religions, right? Just the spiritual regardless if you're a religious person you believe in all other stuff Uh, some of the wisdom that is there and I remember The first time that we were hanging out with paul who's not a religious person And uh, he looked like he was praying before he ate and I remember sal kind of calling it out We like wait a second. I thought this dude's not religious What's he doing praying and it really is the practice of creating that space Before he made the before he decided to eat the food. That's all he was doing which explains a lot of the value of Prayer which exists in all spiritual practices. Absolutely, you know with a pray before you eat. It's like while you're practicing gratitude You're creating space which avoids probably prevents you from overeating. You're thinking about finding your way into the parasympathetic You're thinking about is this food going to serve my body? Is it an ideal choice and you're you know, a lot of times We eat reactive It's the first thing you grab you just start showing how many fewer pop tarts would you eat if you paused ever before you hate the Pop tart to pray or whatever before you know creating little tiny ceremonies really allow you to really Take control of the moment. Um and and put some intention. I used to just eat on the go Right, you know, I I only had like 10 minutes between I had to run between patients grab something on the go And just shove it in my mouth without thinking Being able to do that that that practice, you know, I'm not religious But I do like sort of pray and I have this little time When you put yourself in that parasympathetic state you release You reduce the cortisol you also cause your your gut to be healthy to absorb all the nutrients coming in If you're eating in a hurry if you're eating in a stress state a stress state causes your Your gut lining to have these little leaky junctions and it could be an inflammatory state when you're actually eating So Some people argue like is eating a mcdonald's in a calm state better than than eating a very healthy meal in a stress state We don't know or it also reminds me of one of the the hacks that I figured out as a trainer when you know When you're trying to help somebody through nutrition, right and get have better behaviors One of the most basic pieces of advice I'd given before we'd start getting into macros and getting real technical with their diet I would just make a simple rule of when you eat no phone. No tv Just the fact of you having to be present in that moment and not distracted by other things people make better choices Yeah, it's amazing how they how much less food they eat or better choices they make Something you keep saying that I think we need to hammer home is because you know, we're talking about this mindfulness and you talked about the acronym act And you said you have to practice. I think we need to talk more about that because I I think people don't realize that this is a skill and just like any skill it needs to be developed Like if you've never Written a bike before it's going to be really hard the first time you get in one and it's going to totally suck So practice you got to do this off. It's not going to work the first 15 times you do it, right? No, and I'm constantly practicing every day. I'm evolving every day. I'm like, oh, there's that shitty There's that shitty thought, you know, telling me I'm not enough again You know, there's that stress going on again and I have to constantly practice and sometimes I'll let myself indulge I'm like, you know what I I know a lot better, but I'm going to be pissed off for five minutes Right and and then I'll then I'll get into a practice of bring bring myself back together But it's it's it's constant practice. That's awesome. All right. So that was the mindset one and then we get into relationships Okay, so I read an interesting study actually brought up on the show and it blew everybody's minds and I loved it because it really talked to the Fitness addicted orthorexic type people that we see so much in the fitness industry something that we all observed working the fitness industry is that we saw some of the worst Relationships with food and body image issues in the fitness space worse than I saw in the Everyday population. So the study was I believe it was at a Stanford And they showed that having poor relationships in your life was as bad for your health Is I think smoking a pack of cigarettes or something like that a day or 10 cigarettes a day or something along those lines Which is crazy, right? It's like it's we know how bad cigarettes are Having poor relationships. You could have the perfect diet perfect everything those poor relationships It's like you're smoking a bunch of cigarettes. So when you talk about relationships, what do you mean? What are good relationships with bad relationships? How do you foster the right ones? Yeah, so You know relationships basically, you know amplify any type of energy that you might have But you know, we are social beings and there was actually a study done That's still ongoing. They actually started to study back in 1946 and they they studied basically, you know Harvard train people versus people in the inner city and they like looked at their life and their lifestyle and they concluded you know that It wasn't like cholesterol levels and things like that that determined the overall health and factor What they had noticed that the people that were able to cultivate good Positive relationships are the ones that got the most health benefit less disease and things like that So good healthy relationships or relationships You work on that actually puts you in those positive emotional states that you you know relationships the people you can count on um But there's also relationships that can get Put you in those negative emotional states There are there are toxic relationships that will put you in anger resentment fear worry And it's also being responsible. How am I contributing to this? Do do I need to forgive? And it's working those things out because it's those emotions that you spend a lot of time with and again Emotions lead to biochemical changes that affects how your cells are. So being in relationships can really cultivate those higher emotional states That we have so fostering those things are important. This is a tough one too because we tend to attract People that protect us from our insecurities So it's really tough for somebody who's in it to try and evaluate their relationships on are these people good for me What a great point I you don't want to deal with your drinking issues So you make friends with people who also have the same drinking issues When you were going through all of this and you got to relationships for yourself Did you have to cut some relationships out of your life? I did there were there were you know relationship, you know, I like you know Back in the day there there were you know friends in college that you know We're just party buddies and we used to always go to go out and party party party and You know they we went through a lot together But that's all the relationship was based out of and as I was starting to notice some changes in me And I started to say well, you know, maybe alcohol isn't isn't something that's serving me on a long-term basis um I found myself not You know enjoying the things that they enjoyed and And naturally I it's sort of had to let that go and they just didn't understand the process of growth and and uh of Of me becoming and evolving into a better version of myself talk about this for a second because this is hard This is really hard. It was hard for me when I was younger where I would have to kind of like Cut relationships out of my life and but you feel a sense of loyalty to them a man I you know, we go back so far and you know, we did all these things together eventually the point that I got to was I could still Value and respect all that but I can also value and respect myself And know that this isn't really serving me anymore, but that was really hard like how hard was that hard for you? Was that easy? Uh, I felt it was sort of easy I mean I I think I had a conversation like I'm not I'm just not into this anymore And then it just sort of naturally like, you know, you become so busy like now I've got a family too, right? No, I think that's actually the answer in the strategy We talk about this with nutrition like one of the one of the great strategies that we do with nutrition with somebody Instead of taking somebody who has a poor diet and starting to cut foods out We tell them to add foods to their diet foods that they need or they're missing and we know that they're lacking Right so far as nutrients and stuff. I think the same thing the same thing goes for toxic people in your life You don't need to make this formal breakup of like, hey, you know, you're not growth-minded We and I know we've been buddies for 10 years. We're breaking up now You just fill that time with people that are filling your cup You start seeking out people that are going to level you up that are growth-minded and then it naturally happens You're just busy versus this formal. We got to break up now because you're not growth-minded Yeah, the best thing I heard was that good people celebrate your victories and mourn your losses along with you Not the other way around. I thought that was a pretty good one. All right So the last one is purpose. This one's interesting Um What is purpose and how does one find purpose for themselves? Oh great question. So Uh, what I what I studied this, you know, why why even care about purpose? Well, I mean when you actually study Um, what it does to the body there is a concept called eudaimonic happiness So eudaimonic happiness just means, you know being happy Uh, when you feel connected to something bigger or when you're giving back to community, right? Um, and it turns out this there's a you know, there's there's that gene Um of the stress response called the conserved transcriptional response to adversity So these genes kind of fire together and wire together as the stress response turns out this gene patch Quiet's down when you've got purpose When you've got purpose as an american you live seven years longer than somebody without a sense of purpose When you have purpose you have lowered your risk of getting a cardiovascular event, which is the number one killer These are heart attacks and strokes Um, when you've got purpose if you happen to end up in a hospital you spend fewer days in the hospital So all these health benefits and if you have purpose you maintain your telomeres Telomeres are these things basically the end of your dna that prevent your dna from aging Or your cells from aging So all these positive benefits on purpose So the next question is like, how do you find your purpose? And I used to be like, man, I got to find my purpose like being this analysis paralysis What do I need to do? How do I show up? And when I started to study with some of my spiritual teachers Um The process of finding your purpose is not really an act of finding but an act of remembering And it's remembering when I look at my nieces and nephews when I look at my daughter now There's this state of natural joy That that we have as as kids and that's just a very natural thing And within us programmed in our dna are the things that bring us joy That maybe we forget along the way because somebody said that's not going to make you any money That's not that that's not the correct career path for you So you lose that authenticity and you lose access to those emotional states But those emotional states are programmed in you already So it's finding and remembering those things because those things are your passion And if you could share you when you could share your passion with the world with your neighbor with your family That community aspect that's purpose purpose is also the struggles that that's been gifted to you in your life So that when you have gone over that struggle you now have a gift that you could share with somebody else For me it was me having chronic disease as a medical doctor that I could now talk about Overcoming and what it took to overcome that your purpose is you your purpose is the authentic version of you And just sharing you with the world and when you do that That's your medicine and purpose is is by the way purpose comes with challenge I remember this this art the study that came out and the articles totally Butchered it but the the the titles of the articles were all like People without children are far less stressed and happier This is what the type this titles of the same but you dig into the study and it shows that it's true I got kids, okay Not having kids definitely less stressful. It's definitely less expensive. That's totally true It's definitely more there's more leisure time for leisure activities But what they didn't tell you in the study was that people with children have a much higher sense of purpose Very different than just being relaxed and outstressed right purpose is a a bit of challenge It's like some of the most driven people you'll ever find are people that earn no money and volunteers are time And it's usually because it's driven by you know their sense of purpose. So is there a difference between joy and happy? Is there a difference between yeah, what is joy because use the word joy? What is joy? Like why use that word? Uh, yeah joy is a you know emotional state that kind of like, you know It leaves a little bit of amount of serotonin dopamine and oxytocin in your body that makes you feel a certain way Yeah, I when you say joy it feels different to me than just being happy. It feels very very it feels much more fulfilling That's why I ask. Oh, I see a particular question. I have a question. Oh, you mentioned Spiritual and you know something that is uh, I think accepted by a lot of spiritual leaders is that As humans we have this natural desire to worship something Do you subscribe to that? Do you believe that we we have we are all driven to worship something? And even if you're a non-religious person and you don't believe in god There is something in your life that you're you are worshiping Yeah, I I don't know so much about that I would probably at least say that there are Certain things that drive a lot of people there are certain things that like, you know that people is You know is their reward and and and they'll based their life towards that thing. Yeah, some people it's gonna be money Yeah, exactly money power Excellent. Okay. So those are very good steps very actionable Now you work with a company you actually represent a company that we just started working with and I want to ask you this Some of the questions around Some of their products because you're a doctor and also because of your background. So the companies live on Um, okay, so I want to ask you about their liposomal, you know technology or the delivery method What's different about that than other products? I mean you you obviously know a lot about nutrients and how they work in the body You know, why why use a product that's got that versus just using a normal tablet or capsule for example, excellent question. So First let's ask, you know, how do nutrients gets absorbed into our bodies, right? So we ingest food we'll start to massacrate food. They'll come into our stomach stomach acid We'll start breaking some of that down It then gets into your small intestine where your pancreas and your liver secretes bile salts that dissolve the fat They'll have some, um, you know, uh, trypsin and other, you know, peptidases that break down protein And then once they're in their smallest form, they'll start to get absorbed now some nutrients get absorbed by diffusion That's a very very small amount most nutrients get absorbed by a Um, uh a co-transporter or a co-factor, you know, sometimes linked with sodium So it's an active type of transport. You'll You'll you basically have the your your gut lumen You've got basically the cells that line your your gut and they have to be transported over to the other side End up in your bloodstream and guess what when it gets to your target organ Such as your brain or your heart or whatever it is it has to go from Your your bloodstream now into that cell as well also through an active transport mechanism Right. So some nutrients gets transferred over by diffusion. What does that mean? What does diffusion diffusion just means going from one space that has heavily concentrated Naturally to or just you know, um freely flowing to that next got it. Okay Whereas an active transport means you actually need some kind of carrier to carry that molecule through So a lot of nutrients get absorbed that way you need a you know an active carrier So when you're taking, you know anything by by mouth um A lot of nutrients will pass through the digestive system because if you don't have enough, you know active transporters The rest of it actually just gets into your stool and and out the other way. So a waste of money Yeah, a waste of money. Oh, we will say as expensive urine. Exactly. All right. So one of the products I wanted to ask you about because I don't know a whole bunch about it is glutathione I know it's they call it the master antioxidant really really good for the liver It perked my interest recently because I read its connection to uh, I guess people who Who've been infected with covet and people with high glutathione levels tend to do a lot better. This is true for other Viruses and diseases and well, so it's obviously important in the immune system. So what is glutathione? And in supplementing it, what can that do for you? Or is that even important? Okay, great question I want to go back a little bit to the delivery system that I'll talk about the glutathione Why I love live on product products is it but you know You get a lot more absorption with this delivery vehicle because now what they've done is they've Capsulated the nutrient with phospholipids, which are exactly the same thing that's made up of our cell membranes When you package it as that When you have a cell membrane and cell membrane together It's just sort of like, you know, they almost kind of fuse and it'll just carry their nutrients onto the other side So you you bypass all that, you know need for a coat co-transporter to actually bring in the nutrient So you're absorbing a lot more of it. In fact, one of the one of the Scientists thomas levier, I believe studied six grams of liposomal Vitamin c he was starting to vitamin c six grams of liposomal vitamin c is the equivalent of 50 grams done i-v Oh, wow into your bloodstream because if you put in your bloodstream All that nutrients still needs transporters to get them into yourselves, right? But if you're packaged in into this lip membrane Once it gets to the cell it just fuses together and then the nutrients get delivered Why aren't all supplement companies using this transport system then? Well, great question. Uh, not all the companies have this technology You know, I mean, there's only certain companies. I believe live on is probably one of the first That's out there that does master this technology of delivery. Is there are there patterns around that or? Okay, there is okay. This was a pharmaceutical if i'm not mistaken. This was used in pharmaceutical drugs Absolutely people use liposomes to deliver chemotherapy And certain type of drugs just to increase the delivery Of the agent that they're trying to deliver to the cells. Okay. Now. These are you said Liposomal phospholipids. Yeah, so these are is that why it's like a kind of like a gel gel Yeah, when you wouldn't you take it because in the packet is that what that is? Is that what's yeah, so that the the mixture of that is almost kind of like Yeah, that that gel form is exactly Um, you know what the phospholipids come, you know come out. Okay is that form? Okay, interesting. Now. This is this would be different than just taking a supplement with a fat So if I take a fat with a supplement, would it do the same thing or is it well? So like when we were talking about fat, you know soluble vitamins like vitamin a d e or k If you eat fat or have some oil it'll help absorb it a little bit better But this is a little bit different and so for water soluble a lot of the water soluble vitamins Go need to go in with that that transporter. Otherwise, it won't go in But if you package it around this this liposome this like the liposome actually gets swallowed up By the the gut cell spits it out to the bloodstream gets swallowed up by your cell and then gets delivered into the cell Yeah, now I've supplemented with some other some Products from different companies in the past that are somewhat like acetyl karnishing. I've used that for a long time Never felt it until I used uh their product actually in fact They sent us stuff for last year And the whole reason why we've been working with them now is I've been using it for a year And I and I don't feel it other in other forms. So it's it's the delivery method has no they have They have three or four different ones that I've seen you bring in here with us and we use Which ones are for who and how do I know if it's something that I I mean, I'm aware of things like vitamin d and magnesium I mean most people are deficient in those things I mean, which of these are for who and should everybody be taking it like that's how do you figure that out? Yeah, so, uh, let's let's go back to glutathione. Who's that going to benefit and who should take something like that? So glutathione is the master antioxidant in your body. So I mean every time your body goes through any type of stress Whether it be a stress from a toxin a stress from, you know a stressful day Your body's going to produce these antioxidants, which will damage your dna. So you need antioxidants around um to help, you know To combat the effects of that. So I feel um, it's it's a good form Of our body, you know having a detoxification system So I think most people, you know should be on it because most people will probably have some toxins in their life Go through some form of stress. It does smell like fart though Yeah, that's because it's sulfur based. Exactly. Exactly. So and they obviously put a lot of the money in research in How effective it is or more so than if it tasting like bubblegum, right? Right, exactly. But but that that thing works like gangbusters and I've got to hit a seven-year-old daughter who Or a bonus daughter who who claims they fart a lot and sometimes that was the glutathione, baby That's hilarious. All right, so we'll do that with my new dogs. That's all right. Now. What about the acetyl l carnitine? I like using that Either around my workout. I did read that carnitine up regulates Androgen receptors So that's what I want when I'm trying to build muscle. You know any other benefits to supplementing with something like that Yeah, so it it basically helps turn, you know fat into into fuel. So it revs up your metabolism. It's great for the brain Um, it is able to turn, you know, you know fatty acids works on the mitochondria to produce energy and you know You know in your muscles as well Also be able to extract, you know, uh fat energy and turn that into usable form to create ATP with your mitochondria Now that's a very popular supplements in most pre workouts now you see them for a long time Right And so do you see anything when you look at the because I I don't even know the dosage off the top of my head What a standard pre workout carries as far as how much is in there versus the the lipo brown Which is how do you know the difference either one of you? As far as the no, I You typically I'll go 500 to to 2 grams so 500 milligrams of 2 grams is typically what I'll I'll supplement And and and the the theory is that you're probably not absorbing most of that that's in the pre workout Is that true or not true most likely true? Okay. Yeah, it just gets destroyed by the digestive system Now there's also I this is something I've just really now recently been reading about magnesium 3 and 8 Yeah, so what are the benefits of this and what's different about it then? Yes, so there's different forms of magnesium magnesium like performs like over 300 physiological functions of your body And this is something that a lot of people are deficient in It's important for you know for your muscles for brain health for for your mood and all of that type of stuff L3 and 8 is actually the only form of magnesium that will cross the blood barrier So a lot of people use magnesium 3 and 8 To improve cognitive function to improve memory. Some people also use it as a new tropic Um, and it's great to kind of just like relax you as well, you know, you got a little bit of anxiety That's great for that as well. So l3 and 8 is the only one that crosses through the the blood brain barrier And the fact that you add a liposomal encapsulation there better absorption Into your gut into your bloodstream and then also the blood brain barrier You know, it's funny about all this is that because this is this is very interesting, right? So the supplement industry, uh, they spend so much time and money on packaging on flavor palatability Now when you look at the pharmaceutical industry Pharmaceutical industry has way more hurdles that they have to jump over in order to have something pass And also have something that works because what they're really competing against are other pharmaceutical drugs And is it going to work better now? They spend these pharmaceutical companies spend way more money On being able to deliver the medicine to the target area supplement companies spend almost no money On that they spend almost all of it on packaging and what and live on if i'm not mistaken started Really focusing on the medical side of the industry and then moved over to Supplements is am i correct with this? I'm not quite sure the the the history there But I believe yeah, they started actually developing this and wanted to get you know In with doctors and then like bring it out to the general public But it's it's very very popular now in the general public. How did you originally find the brand or how did the brand find you? What did you how did you guys meet? Oh great question? So I was uh, moderating the um, you know the american anti-aging In medicine conference and they were actually there and then um, you know, then I actually have a good friend Who actually knew the company and they put us together? I've loved their products since and we've we've been we've had a really really good relationship I mean as a physician you love to see brands that work and and and exist because they want to Improve the lives of other people and when you find that and you're in alignment You're happy to be a spokesperson for the brand. Yeah supplement industry in general is a pretty interesting one There's a lot of bad stuff that's out there. So it's pretty refreshing to find something that's backed or that works You know specifically in a in a in a very good way. Well, I'll tell you what it's been a great conversation It was awesome having him on the podcast. Hey, it was great. I love your story and I really uh, I really really appreciate it when we find somebody that Is able to navigate both worlds and I hate the fact that they're separate, right? But the the western medicine There's incredible. I mean no field of medicine dives as deep into specific, you know Subjects or areas of the body like western medicine But what they lack is made up for in the other side, which is what now where you're diving into that wellness side So I love meeting people like you that have been in both have accolades in both because I feel like you have A wider breadth of of knowledge and advice for people. So I appreciate what you're doing Thanks. Thanks for having me on guys. No problem. Thanks for coming up