 All right, so I'm going to call tonight's meeting to order. Before we jump into the agenda, I just want to bring up a small item. We are back in the space. We were here before. You guys don't know that we were here before. It is a very cozy, comfortable, it feels like we're at a back location. But I would like to maintain the department that we had at Chamber, the House of Chambers. So no sidebar conversations, no expressions on yourself. It makes it very difficult for me to do this. It will make it very difficult for our community members to hear. So we'll do the same thing, even though we don't have the buttons and the speakers. If you'd like to record, can I just raise your hand? So, all right, it's all there. OK, let's jump into roll call. Melanie Burgess? Here. David Roche? Here. Courtney Michelle? Here. Sandra Sturlitt? Here. Hilton Everett? Here. Great. And now I'd like to see if there is a motion to approve in the meeting minutes from our board meetings. I make a motion to approve. Meetings as they stand. I have a second with Sandy. Any discussion and corrections? All right, great. Easy week. I think do I have a vote to approve? I see. All in favor, aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? I have a second. Sorry to approve. We already have a vote in the meeting. OK, how about communication from the staff? Go for things. First off is posting location. I've got to do this at the last minute. So we need to designate a location and post our meeting agenda. Historically, it's been kind of sitting all over the, across the street. So if you'd like to, what's that? The Simi Center, yes. Sorry. That's where you can post it historically. If you want to continue posting there, I mean before we make a motion recommendation. OK. So you need to buy on this one? Yeah. Manson question. Do we need to go to motion to approve and then discuss just our meeting minutes or can we start our discussion? Oh, discussion. So when you mean post, that's like a physical thing? So the official posting location of the motion. Not the website. That papers go somewhere to notify anybody who wants to know that it's in here. OK. And historically, it's been sitting all across the street. So should we consider changing up of all the instructions like probably not a lot of activity over there? It takes a lot of it. It's all open now. The door is open and the posting area is clear. Oh, OK. How long do we expect to be in here versus moving back to there? I think we just heard that it's probably until July of the 20th. originally it was June when they were already. Where else would you suggest? Another option could be front doors here. Would people know it to look here? I think the issue would be if you want to keep them all together with another board of commissions. So we're trying to keep them in the city center for the board of commissions. This is just a parliamentary procedural thing. We're trying to view it out to approve it technically. But we can keep it in the same location. I think people wouldn't understand that. Are other boards and commissions staying over there with their postings? OK. I move that we post over in the Civic Center building, City Hall Building 1. We have been passed. OK. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Next on here is Board of Commissioned Emails. So we're now recommending that you guys each set your own email, probably something separate from your personal email to use for board of communications. If we were to get a public order request, that would probably help in making that a more seamless transition. So you can do that at your leisure, as you will. But I recommend that you do create a separate TAV email, separate from your personal email. And I have an informational email over to the board that came out from our city court. So let's have an initial information on that. Next on here is a question. So this would be a private email account, though. So not a city email address of any kind. Correct. OK. Could one be created that is, we don't work for the city, but we're an advisory board member, and there's a consistency in that, like TAVadvisoryboard.com, or something like that. And it's not hard to create with the Gmail type thing. My understanding is we don't provide the emails for the board. OK. So we could maybe. I mean, it's up to you. OK. They mentioned, I don't know if it's information item. They give the examples. And I'm right on place. What we both attended a meeting a couple of weeks ago, the city put on some reports. And they did have a pretty simple recommendation, like your name at foreigners, something like that. Yes. I went ahead and put mine on there. And so I put my first name, and then last name, dot. And then put TAV at gmail.com. So they remember. Next on here, we've got a Chrissy update. As you probably saw, because we were successful in our Chrissy application. So we've got additional $4 million coming in for quiet zones. We're working on the agreement for that and all the paperwork and understanding that grant process here shortly. And then continue towards our goal of constructing all those quiet zones. Pretty exciting to get a win there. Big news for us, I think. So how, as I've done that article, in terms of that announced the award, it seemed like there was still someone who knows how the city can make the match and whether we can reach that. Is there anything more to it? So the match will come from the street fund. We will, depending on what it is, we're looking at the components due, so I don't anticipate any issues with covering that. It's been a clear priority from council to do this. So we will be able to have our match here. We have to match the $4 million grant. So we have to match $4 million to get that $50, $50. So whether we ask for your application. So our plan now is to do a $1 million every year for this process of the four years and quickly for the long run. Which is the $1 million for you. Come all the way up and tell us who we'll be. And then we'll ask for your four years. And then how close does that get us? Based on our most current estimates, that gets us all of our crossings done, except for first and every's not included, but that's a separate project currently kicking off construction. And it also doesn't include the Ken Brack crossing, which is part of another CNP. Right. So next thing, I want to start from a communication from staff, which I think we'll brief over. Heading out to Washington tomorrow, the mayor are going into Washington with the mayor's precious coalition, the US36 group that started out with US36 and now it's become an old water plus area. I actually went with Chris Quinn out here from RTD. So we all go as this giant group and we kind of make a pitch. Last year it was the Chrissy grant. And so we've learned a lot of things before we applied for that grant during this trip to DC because we actually met with members from the Federal Railroad Administration. So we were able to talk to them directly and find out what they were looking for on this grant application. So we're going to do the same thing this time and also lobby for this new what's called Build Grant. So the Build Grant, we're asking for $20 million. We have the support of CDOT. We do formal support from RTD, but it is a project that helps have 119 and over as far as getting the buses through there as well as getting there's an underpass portion that would take the world about traffic under over on 119. And so that frees up a lot of capacity for us as far as getting the left turns and the bus and different things. I've handed out this to all the board members that usually put the audience concerning the clients that you'd like to see. A little one major that we can give to all of our senators and representatives. This is what's going on there, but we're pretty excited. We have, again, full support from the whole corridor. It's really from Broomfield, Ruesville, Boulder County, and off the afternoon, Superior, so a number of folks are going to be able to show up with us. And so it's going to be exciting to try to allow you, again, for a great project at the corridor. So we'll get that going. And that's going to understand all that. Any questions? And that just like the grant? Well, we're going to submit it. We're going to try to secure that grant in 2020. Start contracting in 2021. Go through environmental clearance. That's the big one to take. That's going to take a lot of time to go through our final design for that project. This is just a very conceptual design on that here. And then we'll go to construction. Hopefully, in 2024, we have to have the dollars spent by 2027. So we've built in a year of time there, but we really need to make sure we get it spent by that time frame. If we get it, just like we did with the rest of the family, we'll try and see what happens. Good luck. Do we have any public invite to be here? Yes. This is an opportunity to talk. My name's Buzz Feldman. I live at 3135 Parkway. I was actually on this floor for nine years, and I've been sitting on it for too long. But I have four things I wanted to talk to you about. First off, congratulations on the railroad crossing. That is just phenomenal. It really puts a lot out there in the forefront in the states. That's so good. What I just heard you say there are kind of ways to question it. And I don't know what you're going to answer now, but just because I understand there's another dialogue. But does in-kind work count towards that towards how some of the city has to provide it? I mean, obviously, it takes staff time. It takes planning. It's going to take a lot of man hours to get that done on top of the portfolio. We wish. But let's don't sit down with this. Darn it. The other thing is thanks for the lifelong changes. The double line, I don't know if there's a name for it, but the double lines of the hash in between is just phenomenal. It's a good that one. Someone says, wow, they're going to get you on the ball. So thank you all for that. Two requests or suggestions or a little suggestions. One is consider a traffic light at the Kencraft at Sherman if you haven't already considered one there. That is an intersection that so many people talk about that it's impossible, particularly during rush hour or any time of the day, to be coming out of Sherman and in either direction and trying to make a left turn. You just cannot do it. On the south side, you're going to backtrack to Kansas and get to Sunsale, but I've seen accidents there. Take a look at that again. We're going to get to the town or something like that. You can do it. The other thing is on Westbound Cobra Basin Road between Dry Creek and Fordham. There's a sign, a merge sign, to go to two minutes to one. And the merge sign there is exactly the opposite of what people are doing. It says merge right, the line ends merge right. Everybody, the merge is left. So basically the sign needs to be changed. Once it's already happened, people are ignoring the sign and doing what they think is the safest thing to do. That's all. Thank you guys. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Do you want to react to an item? Well, the one information item that we have today for you, oh, sorry, I used the next item. We don't have anything. I'm happy to guess we heard from them again. So information items. So information items, we're, every year we ask the regional transportation districts folks to come and we're lucky enough to have our board member here tonight, Judy Lubella, is here with the rest of the group. Sage Pormol, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. No, I'm not pronouncing it correctly. Sorry, I said it correctly. I'm just going to avoid it. I'll be out with Chris Quinn, Brian Matthews, are all here from the regional transportation district. We work with them every, just about every day or every week at least, speaking in Utah at home quite a bit. So we're hoping you can provide them the utmost respect of having the regional transportation district come and give us a report on what's been going on with RTD in the last few. So I'm not sure who's first, but we'll give you to see no longer. It's happening first part, and then Chris has some slides. It's additional, so. Yeah, if you want to come to the computer or the keyboard, and just, all right. Put it into action. There's one right here. Don't make it to your chair. You can take Neal's off. Yeah, can we just do it? Yes, just. That's fine. This one? OK. Don't make it to your chair. Sure. All these options. Well, thank you for having us. We were here pretty much exactly a year ago. March 11th, 2019. We have several new folks that are new. None. I'm sorry. None. Good to see you. So in overall, not much has changed since last time. So we have a few numbers full of folks with the slides. Just in general, services are used to take place for the Longmont fixed route and flexurite of the R&D services. You have the local routes, the 300s. These are the trip numbers that are currently out there. The change from last year to this year was on the LD as we made the change in August to take a portion of route 225 between Lafayette and Rumpfield and basically transform it into part of the LD in midday. And those in service hours are now operating middays of 9.30 to 2.33 o'clock between Longmont and Rumpfield. Previously, the LD operated LD1 and LD2. LD1 being the all-south, going through Lafayette, LD2 staying on 287, so a bit more of an express, operated all its trips between Longmont and Union Station. But ridership-wise, we could not sustain that route. It really did not want to end the grant expired, the grant that had been paying for this additional service, especially in midday and then on Saturdays. So in August, we went ahead and took that portion of the 225, moved it into the LD. And now we actually have a few more trips on the LD overall weekdays, 26 versus 28 versus previous 21 and 21. On Saturday, we are down three trips. We used to be 10 and 10, 7 and 7 now. But the service span didn't change really. We still have it from 10 AM to 10 PM. But we served the time between the trips instead of the previous hour and a half and an hour or two hours. So we spread the peanut butter a little bit, but kept the service on Saturdays. So I know that's always been something that's been important to Longmont. It was a hard fight to get the service expanded on Saturday. Ridership is so, so. So we figured we'll leave it for now. It's one bus that we have out there being operated with one bus, which is a savings from the two buses, previously. And we'll see how it goes. And hopefully ridership will at least stay the same or go up. We would love to see it go up. But for now, it'll operate on those seven trips on Saturdays. That's a good question. In the evenings, on Saturdays, is it 10 o'clock? Can you see people on the schedule? We'll be treating them comfortably in this situation. Or do you have to do it? The Saturdays. How's that here for you? From Ruefield. So from Ruefield. So you can still, from Ruefield, you can catch it. 10 o'clock is just the only three of them in the run, so that's probably the last one. I think it's about 10 o'clock because there is an FF that allows the FF immunization in Ruefield to then catch that LD3 to get to the one. So there's still a connection available later in the evening. But it's not, it doesn't seem right. Part of all exactly. The last one about one is actually on Saturday 11 o'clock. But that's the Ruefield one that starts at Ruefield. Correct. So LD3 is, yeah. LD3 operates weekdays and midday. One early morning, southbound trip. And then the later evening trips on weekday also are LD3. Again, the demand did not warrant those one-seat ride trips to have a full operation from Union Station to Longmont by operating it between Ruefield and Longmont. It cuts back on the running time for the overall trip so we can actually provide these additional trips, which would be... How's that, how's the ridership on that? I don't know to imagine it. I got it. All right, so that overall, that's the biggest change. Flex rides, excessive rides, all the rest has stayed the same. So moving on. I'm gonna hand it over to Mr. Matthews here for a couple slides. Thank you. My name again is Brian Matthews. I'm a manager in our bus operations group and FlexRide Special Services falls under my area. So FlexRide's been good here. Not sure if you're aware of it, but for many years we had a coordination program with VIA Mobility and Accessoride and the FlexRide Services altogether. Unfortunately, that program ended this past June because of VIA had decided that there was some funding issues. We were grant funded and they decided to back out of that agreement. It was costing them more than what we were getting through the grant. It pushed more people to the FlexRide and our numbers have been strong. They've been over four boardings per hour. Now, let me explain that just real quickly what that means. We have four vehicles operating here in Longmont during the weekdays. So we take the entire ridership for the day and divide it by the revenue hours for each vehicle. We want to strive to have over three boardings per hour. We do well up here. We're doing four and a half in that area to five. We're up. We'll go through the last one board. So when we go through the dates, we're doing apples to apples each year, picking the August runward, which is end of August through the beginning of January. That is the last complete runward for us because we were currently in the January runward. Last complete runward would be August 2019. And I'm looking at January and February numbers. I have that aren't up here, but they're strong at around four and a half per hour. Which means it's done. So that means on the average, four people and a half of the person get on a vehicle. And so it's after we run it here. We also, now the flex ride is not included in the fare buyup. We're still charging fares. And I guess I should ask this question. Does everybody know what the flex ride is and how it operates on the community? Or do I need to give a quick explanation? Okay. It's basically, it's a small vehicle, it seats 14, has room for two wheelchairs and two bikes. Customers can call or they can get on our website or they can go through their mobile device and they can order a ride to come to their house. It is considered a curve to curve service. It's based on a first come, first available and the driver or the scheduling device is trying to group rides. So just real quickly, let's just say tomorrow I wanna get picked up here at the Civic Center and I wanna go back home. So at 12 o'clock, I do it online or I talk to the driver. I wanna at 12 o'clock pick up. If it's available, driver's doing nothing, that's easy. Yes. We'll pick you up at 12, be ready five minutes early, 10 minutes late. We pick you up, we take you to your home. Easy peasy, but it's never that easy, no. So let's just say the driver, there's no bus available at 12 o'clock. What it does is it will offer alternatives an hour before, an hour after. There's some negotiation going on basically with the customer. We can get you at 11.40, we can get you at 12.15. But it's not a Uber lift. It's a shared ride. We may pick you up at 12.15. We may go over and pick this woman up over here, this gentleman up, drop this woman off, drop you off, then drop him off, pick up somebody else. So it's a very dynamic service. And it's actually, it's kind of a lover, hey, people love it or they hate it. Yes, I recognize the board director back there, yes. It's accurate that there are some people that have recurring rights and have an impact to availability. Yes, thank you, thank you. And what she's talking about is our subscription rights. You can book a lot of people, like you go to work every day at 8 o'clock, or school, or it comes, like I know there's a gentleman who comes to the library once a day, or I've ridden with him last time I was here. So you can book if it's available. You don't have to call, you don't have to book. It's just set, once you're set up into the system. We call those subscriptions. Those are about 50% of our ridership. The rest of the ridership can call in same day. There's no qualifications. Anybody can ride it. Sometimes it's seniors. They're riding with the 12-year-olds, but that's the way it goes. It's first come, first served. Unlike Accessoride. Accessoride is a program that the federal government requires RT to provide. There are a certification process through Easter Seals. You have to have a cognitive or physical disability that would prevent you from riding the normal fixed route service to be certified on Accessoride. Now, Accessoride is under the Fair Buy-Up program where if the trip originates, there's certain rules and regulations. I'm not going to go into that. It's too much. I can sit here and check till 7.30 or 8. But basically, the city of Longmont is under the Fair Buy-Up program. They're paying for Accessoride trips, the local fare that picks up in Longmont and stays either... Well, it asks us to pick up in Longmont. It can go to Denver, but you're only paying the first five dollars. Those trips... I didn't look those up, but I think they're about 6,000 a year. That's increased significantly since the Fair Buy-Up because your program is to give people more options. It gives people more options. Instead of taking one trip to go to numerous places, they now take multiple trips even in Accessoride. So, let's see. I will move into... I'm available for questions. Can I ask about Accessoride? How is that working here? Are you getting a lot of riders? Yes, the ridership here, I said there's about 6,000 boardings a year. That's gone up a lot. Not only has the population expanded up here, but people are... where maybe you win five dollars, my personal side note. Five dollars for a trip is expensive, mostly when you're on a fixed income. Five dollars to the library, five dollars back, that's ten dollars. When you're on a Social Security income, it's $700 and it's $72 now. That's a lot of money for a trip. So you're allowing that person under your Fair Buy-Up to now make that trip for free and believe me, they're using it. Okay. I have a quick question. Yes. Two questions. Flex-Ride, is that a five dollar or is that five? No, Flex-Ride is a normal RTD fare. It's $3 one way for an adult. There's a discounted fare for children and seniors at $1.50. And that's just one way. Yes. If you have an accessoride card, you get to ride Flex-Ride for free. And we do have a lot of people in Accessoride who use Flex-Ride because we're same day reservation. You can call, it has to be available, but you can call at 11.30 for a 12 o'clock pickup Accessoride you have to call 24 hours in advance. And it's free, so a lot of people use it, well now, they still use it a lot because it's same day pickup unlike Accessoride. Just wanted to clarify that the Flex-Ride comes from Express. Oh yeah. It's out of Fort Collins transport. It has the same letters, but it's a completely different operation. Yeah, don't, yeah. So make sure. Alright, then the other... It's a Flex and a Flex-Ride. Sure, okay. So the second thing is with the Flex-Ride you mentioned the subscription schedule. So for those folks that are on subscription, do they still have that variability in terms of start time, stop time? They're still a fight? Well, you meant like it could be an hour before or it could be... Oh no, now once you're locked into your subscriptions, then it's consistent within a 20 minute window. It's consistent within that, 15 minutes. Okay, alright. So, I'll run into special events real quick and up here in Longmont, you have variety of special events. I might as well just say it. They have all been recommended to just continue, not just here in Longmont, but throughout RTD. I'm sure most of you have heard that I go into why they've been recommended. Okay, alright. We're facing an issue at RTD called a driver shortage, operator shortage. It's very hard to find people to work. I'm sure the city has found that same issue. We upped our salaries by two dollars. I think that was about a year and a half ago. So first year driver with moderate overtime comes in at about 45,000. That's not bad for a 19 year old to clean driving record. The problem is, is that we have more service out there than we have drivers, so we're mandating a lot of our operators. So, we hire all these people in. This has been a cycle for a few years. We hire all these people in. We make them work six days a week. It's crummy hours, most of them when you're on the road. Totem pole. But keep in mind, people still volunteer for overtime. We're not talking about the volunteers. We're talking about the people you are going to work on your day off. They get tired after a while. I don't think any of us like working six days a week. And they leave us. And we've tried all types of different things. It's not a money issue after six months. It's a, I'm tired. I want to see my family. So, because of that, we're missing, routinely we're missing train and bus trips. I don't think we are here in Longmont, Arby. I mean, as far as the blue buses. The 300s. And be on some of the regionals. On some of the regionals we have had. So, it's unfortunate, I will say this, because I've been at this company since 1985. We have, we are seeing a lot of inconsistency in our service delivery. You're out there to catch a bus. And it's not there. You're out there to catch a train. And it's not there. And you don't know when. You're trying to do a better job communicating that. But it's hard. Continue to try to recruit. But in the meantime, what they're doing, I call, I think we've turned it right sizing. They've tried to go out there and put service, bring service levels down to a more acceptable level so we don't have to what we call mandate. I don't think it's going to end all the mandating, but it's a start. Now, the special services, we're doing this on fixed route, too. The special services especially are RTB. And hurt the regular customers on weekdays. Remember, we're carrying, I think our boardings are close to $500,000 on weekdays. Special services, and correct me if I'm wrong on that, I think, does that sound about right? No, I think it's about $330,000, but still cute. It's about $330,000. Okay, I don't know where I got that from. But special services, the Broncos ride, we carry about 8,000 boardings, or 8,000 people, can be anywhere from 6,000 to 8,000 people, maybe 10,000 to 12,000 boardings each game. What happens with the Broncos, the Buffs, the Run Ride, that's Boulder, Boulder, and the Rocky Service, even though they're on holidays on the weekends, they put a paint, they all hurt us on the weekdays. Not only do we have to mandate to operate these services, we have to on Broncos ride, we have to roughly about 200 drivers. I'm not talking about weeknights, I'm talking about Sundays. There's regulations in the transportation industry called DO Department of Transportation. How many hours you can work per week and all this good stuff. When they're out here driving these special services, it reduces what we can do during the weekdays, therefore it's a ripple effect. This isn't going to solve all of our issues, but it's going to make a big impact. Is there to be able to do anything for this Boulder Boulder? That's a huge impact on this community. Yes, do you want to address that, Judy, or do you want me to tell them what I know? Well, what you know is probably what I know is what the word package says. What the word package says is that the proposal now, because of huge amounts of squawking about it, it's huge and it really works to complain. That is going to be put, well, it's composed to be put back for a year and that'll give us time to work something out for the next year. This was done really well, and really made things rock for that race. That's the proposal. Let me just jump on that real quick. When we put a proposal together, staff, myself, Nodley and her team and Sage, we put it out to the public for public hearing that we get all types of comments. I just heard we got 3,000 more than... We had 20 meetings and then it put up. Yeah, 3,000 emails that came in. How many were in the Boulder Boulder? I read well over 100 at least. Then staff goes back and they look at the comments and they try to adjust. Now, Boulder Boulder in particular is in May. We've worked with them for many years. I know the owner of the Boulder Boulder, we've worked with them. We're very close to them. We've tried to accommodate. So the staff recommended keeping that for one year, everything else would be on the cutting board. Ops committee is tomorrow night, correct? Yes. Tomorrow night they will discuss this. And we're having a big meeting before that. And then they will technically vote on it in two weeks. But they have to do something. I mean, it's up to the board at this point. They have to do something. They have to. This is the adjustments we made, really. I think it's, we were like this and we've adjusted down to here. It's still going to be mandated. Absolutely, it's going to be mandated. But I think how many more, I think it's going to save us about 40 operators. Yeah, it's somewhere 27 in Rails. I think what I heard which is where we have the biggest issue is the percentage-wise and the shortage of operators. And then the rest of them are going to be on the bus side. But that is not just within the RTD that is within our contractors as well. The contractors really have one division that is doing well. It's Transdev that operates the southwest Denver routes mainly. The other divisions are also suffering. The division up here has everybody including the general manager arriving. That's why you're not doing trades on the locals. So anything else I need to talk about? Unless somebody has more questions. We can talk later. Alright, so that was great. I went ahead and asked the keeping track. And this is because of the fair buy-up. The kind of keeping track as to what the ridership has been since the fair buy-up just to see what the impact is. Notice it says ridership average boardings. We differentiate between ridership and boardings. Ridership is whoever rides. It can be somebody who gets on a bus multiple times. Boardings is how many buys actually get on and off the vehicle. It's different. You can have a set group of riders who board more frequently. So you can have 50 riders but 140. Because these 50 people get on a bus twice. So just keep that in mind. That's why we go with boardings and not ridership. Just keeping the stats. You can see that in August we actually had changed the L to the LDNLX and split it out into the 287-36 corridor versus the I-25 corridor. And you can see the numbers that we had that actually was a success in ridership and has been steady and has gone up. If anything, the LX is actually the route that we would consider. And we did add a trip on the LX where there is demand of performer service bonding into the midday because a lot of the students they go back and forth. But overall in August it was basically 1406 for both the LDNLX combined which is the highest it's ever been and actually it's ever been since these stats. The ridership has only gone up. When we look at January's in operation right now we make the change to the LD in August. So we're waiting for things to settle with ridership. It's a huge change by having that midday portion no longer go to Union Station but have that additional LD3 just between both Belt and Long Island and having good transfers. And then some of the trip times also had to be adjusted so we're very much on half hour service in the AMP and the PMP in both directions. So there have been some challenges. People are getting used to it. It's not exactly the same time that they had before. We've had some issues with our internal system in regards to stops and patterns and we think we've got it all worked out at this point. So ridership at this point is a little lower than what it was before we made the change on the LD but that was kind of to be expected also. The LD as it serves the US-36 corridor when it comes to Goldfield it actually picks up warnings for that corridor to take to Union Station versus the FF. There was some ridership about 80 people on the LD 80 riders plus or minus a hundred and some 40s. Those trips are no longer there in the day because the route only goes to Goldfield. So those folks have shifted to the FF so that's going to reflect in the statistics you're going to have less on the LD but you're going to have some more on the FF. We're going to keep a close eye on that. Usually we make quick change like this we let it go for about two or three runwards before we would hone in and say okay we're going to make significant adjustments as warranted does that mean more trips less trips actually shift trip times. But with this change we immediately heard from quite a few folks that there were some challenges and we have gone ahead and already made some adjustments with a main runway. So in the morning we have changed one trip by demand from an LD2 that was just going to stay on 27 to go through Lafayette Parkway at 616 in the morning and then in the afternoon we have changed one that was an LD2 and also was just going to stay on 27 and we've changed it to go through Lafayette Parkway at 535. So that matches actually the AM and PM demand. So we do listen we can try to make the change as best as possible and resources are typed sure it's we have to make it work within those resources and a lot of times if you try to make a change like this we can have a very easy domino effect because the trip through Lafayette adds about 12 to 15 minutes to the trip that's huge for an overall trip that's about an hour plus. So if you make a change like that you have to have enough time between that trip getting to Union Station and then it's next leave time or you have to revoke all the trips and play the big puzzle and then you could end up having to use resources. So luckily it worked on this one Sage has been a visitor on this. He had to use nightmares and he was using nightmares to tell team. I have two questions. So the first stuff the folks that contacted with regards to changing the route how did they do that and second is what would be the best way for people to forward information to you that a ride is not working or a time or how did that We have the official public process so that change in August went through extensive public process we actually had tried a change to previous August. So overall staff and the stakeholders and Dr. DeBoe have been involved for over two years. So we had gone on to the public report and contacts people know where to find this. They email, they call and they send in comments through the service change at RGDF.com We have additional public meetings to where we then get. We had over 50 people that one time maybe even more. It was a huge crowd to August but that was the pre-emptory meeting. So we get all that input trying to that massage as best as possible with the resources that we have. Once we put it in place these people have to partner with their writing they know where to find us. They email, they call they send in comments with service change at RGDF.com That's not what I'm talking about! That's not fair! Alright, I was just wondering That's all I had. Then there's the official service change for sure. We put that out we put them out on the website so it's pretty extensive but we actually figured out this last one round just by accident because the meeting was listed incorrectly that most people go to the website to find out where meetings and where our changes are. I know brochure was correct the website was incorrect people showed up for a meeting that actually hadn't been scheduled but we made it work. I do need to applaud you for changing after having given everybody so much time and then rolling it out and then having them complain about what they've already been discussing and then having you change it for them I think that deserves accolades. We try to as best we can obviously we want the ridership but we want it to be purposeful and effective so as best we can we also want to have it. I added this one the breakout of the routes wasn't in the last years but I figured just visual you can see it's been pretty steady but since the free fair free fair ridership boardings have increased although they have leveled out over the last two plus years it's been really steady when you talk to the operators and they have been pretty steady up here actually first handed as well it's the same ridership it's the same people who were riding previously they would ride once a day because of the fair not that the fair is free or we also pay for it because of our taxes the fair is free day by day and therefore you have the increase in boardings we also have to get you to change your slide it started initiated in July 2014 my first full run board with the full data is August we don't need to see before the ride free started I think that's what people want to see that was the that was the yeah you see it there I guess I could highlight that someone you look at the 323 right in the top left corner it says 192 boardings and then you go to August 14 right after we did it but it's again you can see it's gone up people figuring it out but it has leveled out it's a specific number of passengers which is great and the 324 yeah it goes up it goes down we increased that service level to half hour in 15 because it was to grand 60 so yeah well there's one little with free fare the number of boardings are up the number of boardings warrant the service levels that are currently out here if free fare goes away these numbers will plummet and the service levels are out here will no longer be warranted and we're going to have a challenge yes we know I think these discussions and trying to figure out how we can work around it for ever since we started on that idea but I have to say that for us it is a huge concern we don't want the ridership of the boardings to pop we want to keep what we have it's working, it has a good purpose it's helping a lot of people get around so we're going to have to keep putting our heads together Heather our CFO could not be here tonight do you want to speak to it a little bit later we're going to come to the resources and so forth and if there is anything that you have in mind just know that we're well aware of that we also know that it's been a struggle for the city to continue to buy off the fares so we're going to continue those discussions especially as we're looking forward for the potential change with State Highway 119T and BRT even though that's 5 years out we're somehow going to have to figure out how to cover that because it all goes together the local rules in the region everything goes together so just know it's on the write down and we're well aware try as best as we can and I want to keep it going then combining I just wanted to let's see you know ridership has gone up slightly or boardings have gone up slightly ridership as well too because there are actually a few more people riding than before but boarding is overall but then it has pretty much leveled out for the last couple of years which is good and again at this point these boardings warrant a service that's available for the regional routes it's a little different so as we can see the blue is the bold the orange is the J the gray is the L and then again we split it out in August of 17 into the yellow, the LD and the light blue, the LS again pretty steady overall the bold ridership dropped in 16 and we have not figured out why it dropped in 16 the FS wouldn't make up for that because they would start out a bolder and that ridership has nothing to do with travel between bolder and long road we didn't change the L at that time so there's nothing that could have potentially switched from the bold to the former BV buses or then the FS to the LX or LD so we're not quite sure why that change occurred but you can see since 16 it has been extremely steady actually all the routes the J basically doesn't change it happened for 20 some years and then as previously said the LD and the LS if anything that ridership now is a little bit more than what the L used to perform but the bold and the J last couple years very very steady and those are the two routes that will make up the service for the State Highway 119T BRT as a base when we start looking into basings with children all the board members are aware of the routes do they understand basically what these routes what those routes were like that J is a little confusing the runs from one to one like this LD use when she started LD use the bold is basically between Longmont and Downland Boulder coming down 119 the J also starts north Longmont coming down 119 but then the bold and cuts through on 28th Street there's a little variation through the east campus area cuts over into senior main campus it used to extend all the way down to Table Mesa that was anything actually as of August 16 when we switched to August 17 that change was made with the LD and the LS change actually the ridership the LD is there are two patterns on the LD I said the LD on the LD too the LD basically operates on 287 the LD 1 going throughout the yet then coming back on to 287 36 on 25 into Union Station where the LD 2 just stays on 287 all the way down to 236 and then 25 to Union Station the LD 3 is the new pattern again that operates between Wollfield and Longmont in that midday early AM, PM midday basically in that Saturday so which LD is that? these are the LD 1 and LD 2 because the LD 3 was only implemented this run so when we get the data next domain and I saw the request for data from Longmont we will include that LD ridership and again I've looked at it just to see where we're at and those numbers are slightly down overall for the new LD 123 there's no LDF versus so is that combined LD 1 and 2? yes and then the LX is different there are also 2 LX one is 3rd to 8th in Tomlman Norris, Longmont, Highway 66 I-25 straight down Union Station the other one comes out 27 then turns on Highway 52 and then 25 in order to pick up at the parking right and I want to talk to you there are 2 completely different ridership bases actually and both of you are well, we cannot complain about the LX happy about the LX the LX 1 goes on 66 and I don't know if I cannot pick up anybody after using Longmont because it's outside the district as we talked about last month there are many more races that are within the district especially on the north side outside the district and the next stop is Union Station because everything else is outside the district which the only potential future stop addition would be at State Highway 7 and I-25 where we've been having conversation with a whole bunch of folks up here in the north area there's actually a coalition out of the MCC coalition working on State Highway 7 as a BRT corridor and it's one of the corridors that was identified in our north area mobility study back in 2014 there were 5 corridors that could be potentially bus rapid transit and this is one of them so it's a long ways out that would be a huge project at State Highway 7 it would be multi-modal facility multi-levels I don't know if you ever shared the little video snippet not that the video snippet is kind of grand but it might be interesting for them to see some time but with the State Highway 7 the only other thing to mention is the J and the LX only run during rush hours they're the peak service so they don't run any other time of the day and on the J absolutely at this point if anything is struggling it's really not for regional route it's on the bottom of the list as we would like to see it or the LX and if anything that would be the wrong we would focus on and add trips because it seems that there's much more of a demand to do later into the morning and then earlier in the afternoon because of the students there's actually had looked originally to try and add more than one trip but it's on the radar would there be a consideration going later we've already looked into that actually looked into that we made this change with BLT and we just could not make it work so we're aware of it we're keeping it on our it's not happening in the back of my mind so half the usual standard bus resources become available but yes, definitely keeping an eye on it so in general regional same thing just all routes combined for each one board as we go through the years it's just very very steady percent change from one year to the other and come down and then it went back up and then sliding in and so it's just basically even out over the last two years and we'll just keep an eye on it and see how it goes so local services you have the four local routes 323, 324 326 and 327 those treatments the routes operate on weekday and Saturday 323, 326 and 327 it's hourly the 324 is half hourly so 324 is basically it actually operates on Saturday it's something that was pretty good it's doing quite well on Saturday and Sunday so that was an original grant application for 15 minute AMP and service I compromised I figured it would actually be safer for the route to have our service all day and then add service on Sundays which hadn't been been there and that was what the majority of folks we had communications with right up here we're asking for as well as extended service so starting a little earlier and ending a little later in the evening and we made those adjustments and I think since then I have not heard of any not heard of any and there are at least two or three people that were very vocal and they would be calling and emailing me if there was anything so it seems to be working and looking at the ridership it seems to be going quite well you said it's on a grant what does that grant run out next year? at the end of this year is this grant over? yeah is this grant over? yeah this one was last year this one was last year but it falls under the pre-fair okay cool still a way to play I had put the maps in just for frequency just to current network there are the should have put those maybe up but there's the bolts you can see from Longmont to Boulder the J it meanders when it comes into Boulder and it has a lot of stops in Boulder we consolidated when I put stops in Longmont in 2016 we had a discussion with City of Boulder they had a post taking many of the local stops out and speeding up the regional route we will have a conversation with them again later on this year because it affects the route overall quite a bit especially when it comes to resources is there any riders going to see you in Longmont? I think it is on the J it's mainly staff it's not so many students it's mainly staff and there are out of the overall J ridership about a third comes out of the gun barrel for the Boulder the whole consolidation of stops is one of those published to the community theoretically when we consolidate stops we do not have to go out to the public but if we made such a change we would make it with the round board and we would announce it through the round board we would only consider it on routes but there's unarrivaled service there is a difference between so when we look at that to say we're going to consolidate stops we would look at where people are getting on and off especially where coming out of Longmont folks are going to in Boulder so we wouldn't remove the stop or stops where the majority of folks are getting on and off between Boulder and Longmont we would look at the ridership and the boardings that are within Boulder and then look at those stops which ones would make sense to remove because there's already both of those and you look at the timing of those because some of those Boulder buses are running at where it's not in Boulder runs a half hour leo manner and with the phasing we're going to have to look at this anyway because with BRT the stations are going to be reduced significantly compared to the current stops and then again it's unaligned and we've done the same on the FS we've used to stop along Broadway and stuff still takes forever to get out of Boulder but it's better where then, yes you have to take a local route potentially to get to a stop and then board the regional route for the most part the stops that are in place on the regional route those are the stops where the boardings for the regional route occur the transfers from the local to regional compared to the overall ridership if we hit a third I think we would talk kind of understand it really is most people are within the vicinity of the stop or regional within walking distance which we consider a cord along each direction that's the density along the border everybody's basically there already so le one le two gives you the how it has the deviation of that little insert and then there was a change for the ld3 where we took the 225 piece and used those in service hours and put them into the ld3 and then extended it to come out to Longmont and that's Longwood actually received the additional service out of this change it was actually a benefit for Longwood in the midday so all the ld3 does is go from Blueville to Longwood that's it again in the midday the ridership it's not there the ridership that was showing up on the ld3 in the midday and there were these riders that were using it as a backup to the FF so if they were at Bloomfield and if an ld3 pulled up it would get on the ld3 because they could get to Union Station it wouldn't wait until the FF showed up even though the FF was on every 15 minutes so we had about about 100 boardings LX just again, highway 66 and the other version of 52 alright, so here's the fun part did have you reshared the information? from the last month a little bit so with the 119-year T-study and Chris you don't have a new slide so we had that last year we did the update but if you have any further questions as we go through this was the project manager for 119 so we can go into that a little bit more if you wanted to but with the VRT study we also went ahead and took a look at the current local routes for Longmont and took the opportunity to create a new network recently a local network that would then be what we call a feeder service to the regional routes so you take the regional route of the VRT as the spying route as the main route and the local services would be there to feed and make the connections to that so that you try to entice people to not drive we'll have to see parking rights wise unfortunately the parking rights are all on the spine so this is kind of a big deal this is the local bus enhancement that the city of Longmont would get benefit from enhanced local bus service to give people to the main spine that she's talking about for bus traffic transit but also gets us around the city right so it's kind of a big deal as far as we were looking for from RTD in the future as you see we said the implementation would be phased as warranted so again at this point we don't have resources even though we've had these discussions with staff that some of these changes already might make sense and potentially would be wanted but we just can't do it at this point we just don't have the drivers or the vehicles because it will be additional resources needed so unfortunately we'll have to kick the can down a road a bit but it is in this plan which helps us in the future to go forth and implement especially as we kick off State Highway 119 bus traffic transit Is that plan published from the road side? No not yet we can did Parsons include it? No because the country was dumb then but we can add it down to the State Highway 119 website so yeah That's what I had waited for was to make sure because it is part of 119 to be included as an appendix of the overall 119 document We can just put it as a separate document on the web page yet We'll go ahead and do that Did you actually share the document that I had sent? I didn't feel like it was final yet so I didn't want to But we'll give it a web so we'll let you know and Phil can send out the link So what we have currently is on the left and what we would look to do is on the right and you can see the main change probably is the extension out on the east to Walmart in the hospital and that is the one in anything where it's saying you know what it's warranted but we just don't have the resources at this point and we do serve that with the flex right however we're all aware that there is potential more demand and we do hear from folks about that if anything that is what we hear about but otherwise you can see the rest of the network is not so much of a change you can see how we have the 323 extend up to Walmart as well Is that the turquoise one? Yes, sorry Yes, it is turquoise Thank you Versus the green further west as well It has a bit of a change as it comes up Here we go Staff has commented on this I don't know To which I responded it's only a line on the map right now and once we go through the plan and actually put it into implementation we will have those discussions with the public This change right here was something that we had originally discussed a couple years ago As things are changing within the city and underneath we're looking to continue We don't have a signal up here That's the other half Either way Oh, do I get to make a request for traffic signal? How about to be heard? How about a traffic signal It's in our long-range plans Yes, right So that's the other thing We cannot make that turn safely without traffic signal So we have to take that into consideration So the other routing is then looking at what the density is and where potentially could be in Ty's book to write or Harvest Writership to say That would be the intro about how it works The purple doesn't look like it goes all the way up to 25 Because this is the edge of the map but this is actually where the Walmart is right there Is that the Silver Creek? That's the school troopers to the high school So that's Nelson No, Silver Creek Wait, Silver Creek That's Nelson's Because right now we operate the troopers out of there The ridership is really, really low as the kids really that ride it in the morning and the afternoon We also have a challenge out there with the turn around the terminal, we don't have a restroom location The school picked us out because those folks were riding and they didn't want them on the property It was a danger, it was a safety issue We're talking Silver Creek still? Yes, so one way or another where we're at right now we do not have a restroom location so we really cannot have it as a fixed terminal Per union agreement we have to have a restroom at each end of the route within 5 minutes walking distance all kinds of challenges So these trips would be selected trips, school troopers only So I have one But FlexWrite goes out there So going out to Walmart is that actually going to go to the Walmart store? Yes It would actually go around behind because there's development back here and we can lay over and terminate here because we could use the restroom at Walmart Okay That's the whole idea There was a request for the hospital but quite frankly hospitals do not create borders People who are sick they don't get number FlexWrite is more on demand AccessWrite is more on demand Plus it also would have been a challenge to get Yes, you could circle around on the back but again for us to lay over terminal-wise was much harder to find a spot and then having the challenge again with the restroom access where at Walmart it's pretty much a given But that isn't World County It isn't World County It's been annexed into the city So anything but city annexes outside of the RTD It's within the city limits It's within the city limits So they have to be subject to the RTD tax Okay That's why you had a lot of lines because of the RTD tax But it's not big Boulder County Okay Alright So more fun to be had with that we would also adjust the service frequencies and service span This is a little hard to see But we'll make sure you get the document so you can actually take a close look at it But you can see how they're currently are for instance 109 platform hours to college when the bus is out servicing the routes and in the future it would be 135 so an increase of almost 25-26 hours which is significant And then on weekend you can also see an increase for Saturday and Sunday of 13 on Saturday, 14 hours on Saturday and 30 some on Sunday So that's a huge increase I have a quick question Is the platform hour like the bus is running? Yes Platform is when the bus pulls out of the garage when it pulls into the garage There's a difference between in service and platform Platform again from garage to garage in service from first time point when they start their first trip to the last trip Thank you I have to ask some questions And I have to make room for Mr. Quinn We have about 30 minutes left to thank you for because you still have time for your comments at the end If you know where to find me you know make sure we get to the link to get it up on the web and get you on the phone Thank you It might be pretty quick It's essentially just an overview of a couple of things going on I'm Chris Quinn I'm a project manager in kind of the long range sectional amount of the works I'm scheduling the day to day operations of the bus the goal of my department's goal is more the long range the high in the sky We put two to five weeks out and you do five weeks Exactly So just a real quick Yeah Yeah First I believe this group has seen the plan where we have been working with the local jurisdictions for the last couple of years instead of trying to get the full build out of the northwest rail which would be 55 trains per day would it be possible to just run three trains in the morning from Longmont to Boulder and into downtown Denver and then three trains in the afternoon right back out again with the intent that that would reduce the amount of infrastructure that would be required and to still integrate with the BNSF freight services that are underlying in the corridor Most recently and I was not at the meeting but most recently the local jurisdictions and representatives from RTD went down to meet with the BNSF and their head offices on February 21st to discuss a proposal that we had sent to them quite a while back just getting around to processing I was not at the meeting Director Luba wasn't it okay so if you guys want to since the official meeting minutes haven't come out I don't want to say too much but yeah I want to defer to thank you well this was great to be able to finally have a meeting with the BNSF it was a big deal we had been asking them for quite a while for cost estimates for what they would charge RTD for construction of this inter-owned commuter service and for operation of it because we need to know their costs to be able to know what we're going to pay we just can't figure it out it was not easy to get that information but finally they expressed a willingness to talk with us and in fact they invited RTD to come down and meet their modelers because they have modeling issues that they wanted to talk to us about the peak service plan nothing ever runs smoothly it was I was told that not only would there be RTD staff but the mayor of Westminster was also going to go and at the same time other mayors had not been invited that did not seem like a smart thing to do so that changed we kind of worked on throwing it open to the other stakeholders if they wanted to come too and lo and behold the mayor badly wanted to come and you were going to talk about that? yes and then Westminster was not only going to have their mayor but it was going to have their development person and their city manager and then Boulder County was sending Mount Charles so it became a very healthy group of people going down there which actually turned out very, very well because basically we were just RTD saying oh they told us something but everybody could see what the real issues were and I must say they have a bang up modeling section I mean it's just it was like watching cartoons on Saturday going like it was very impressive and what they showed us was that even though we were only asking for three runs in the morning and three runs in the evening a lot and not just that one particular line but several additional lines that connected so it became very complicated and one of the rules that the Northern Havas is okay if you want commuter service working with us our rule is that you cannot take away from our business ability to run our business the way you would have otherwise you have got to pay for improvements but it will make us financially hold that's it you want to work with them, you got to do that so they showed us basically that one it was going to have to be positive train control because that's not on there now and that's basically when you that's basically allowing commuter lines and freight lines to work together because they will coordinate there in case there's a problem and there was also signaling requirements that have to be created when you're in commuter lines and freight lines so that's two improvements but the very expensive stuff is that there's going to be four sidings that have to be created to allow their trains to sit while ours move and not waste a whole bunch of time for them as soon as our trains go in and so they were basically saying to us there's going to be these improvements and you're going to have to pay for them do you want to move forward and so, well yeah we want to at least see what it's going to cost and what they told us is that they were going to have to do something called a 30% environmental and design analysis to get any kind of reasonable cost estimate but it doesn't say much to most people what it amounted to last time was RTG having to pay $700,000 to get that kind of level of design work to get cost estimate so where it was left was we all saw yes it's going to be complicated yes we're going to need the four sidings yes we're going to need positive train control okay the next step is we contacted them and we stopped the camp our assistant general manager for capital programs summarized it all and said yes we would like to move forward contact us about what it will cost and so we're waiting on them but this is a big deal I mean it's been a big deal to be able to talk with them they're not they don't want a whole bunch of people talking what they're willing to is important so that's what's happening where we're waiting on it, it's going to cost quite a bit of money don't know hopefully maybe some of the stakeholders will help us with some of the cost of that money we'll see it's all going to have to be negotiated but at least it's moving it's moving that's it so their BNSF was very clear and our operation doesn't require the positive train control or the signalization so that's going to be probably one of the big expenses that we see there's some rules with anytime you're passing a rail you have to have positive train control which is a connected system so trains stop to each other nor do they are pretty important to run trains crash into each other same in signalization it's very very similar they sound similar purposes that's going to be a big cost we can't do it and there's no obligation they don't need their operations if they ran more hazmat they would have to have positive train control but they're savvy they know what that number is so they're not going to need it one of the big things was that to be competitive I think they want to run the trains at a higher speed so there's some additional improvements to the track to support that higher speed I think in a nutshell it's probably the high level stuff so the ordinary engineering agreement is the first part that we had to get to take away for you guys to get worked out with BNSA is what the cost will be and what they're going to be looking at costs for the agreement costs for the construction and it's not cheap as I said last time it was $700,000 we need an estimate we need to be able to go to potential funders as well as to the taxpayers taxpayers are also potential funders for this we need an estimate in the sense but it's already current with the environmental but I think the interview was quick to point out that we've done all the environmental work on that so I think a lot of the environmental has already done hopefully a lot of that is still usable with the work we've already done we need to be able to develop what are the costs we don't know at this point so once we do this and have implemented this the active train control and these other things will they be running trains that they wouldn't normally run? because they will now have this access? they're not going to do it we have to agree that this makes sense I assume that I'm kind of jumping to the 2080 yes there would be some huge benefits to them if those improvements were instituted and I guess the hazmat thing is what piqued my interest so would they start running hazmat trains through long term? just asking just a member of few years ago when we were doing a different little study on corridor one of the things that you alluded to directly about is even though I've been working on the corridor for quite some time this very profoundly obvious piece of the puzzle was kind of missing in my mind is the fact that when you look at their network which I'm assuming the model showed this is one of their few north south links of their national network so while at one point in the 90s when we were doing a little planning for this corridor freight activity was way down they didn't think they needed it now all of a sudden well now starting in about the early 2000s with freight activity increasing fairly dramatically it became far more important to them and then as there's been flooding in the middle west in the last few years some of their other links they were looking at this corridor as more valuable for resiliency pieces they're not really just that they are not going to sell but short answer to your question yeah having the positive train control and the signalization which is right now it's what they call dark territory and that there are no signals in this segment of it so that would be a huge upgrade for them but if someone else can pay for it did they come up with these lines at all to acquire more land or do we if we do the sightings need to acquire land or do we have it so then to not go into that detail can we caveat it with that this is just showing the sighting on the model for modeling purposes we've not paid attention to the land needs for model that they've done in previous efforts when we did the what we call the environmental evaluation which was I got to almost 10 years old now um it showed that there were in general the right they have approximately 100 feet of right away and there are some areas especially in Louisville where it was down further mathematically to I think about 50 feet there were areas though and curves where we might have to establish and measurements that it would kind of we would have clips in the right way where probably not having to fully acquire any of this property but yeah it would might need 5, 10 feet to accommodate even though the right way might be there just to accommodate the geometry of the track to allow for you know whatever curve they need or something like that so um yeah it would be short answer here again it would be right away in PAX, yes part of the discussion that came out and some of the questions I was asked is can the rail be on walls I'm understanding historically they've said no it can't be on part of the wall to try and reduce some of the slope where property takes and engineering from BNSF is not at the table but of those that were there they said there is precedent for building the track up on rail and they pointed out section in Seattle that was built on a boarded wall for the rail that could potentially reduce some of the railing in Seattle all of that is going to be still negotiated so do they give a timeline as to when they would start the analysis I mean I think it was a cost of what that will take but it cost analysis to make 2 years, 6 months what do they give us any time are we back to just waiting well I think once the money changes hands it goes quicker I guess that was my question I didn't state it correctly what are we going to find out the cost of this so that we can that's one of the things we're waiting on they didn't give a timeline for that this is the cost to figure out how much it'll cost because there's 2 costs my experience with that preliminary engineering agreement that I did for the quiet zone work I submitted a request for the agreement in January and it was May when I got the documents back and then through their legal or legal and it was executed in May so 4 months to get for the work that we were doing which is a different scope than what you guys are doing but just kind of magnitude this is a much bigger project than the quiet zone sort of one and I don't know if the agreement will be quicker or not it's going to depend on the goal do they do the agreement or do we do the agreement or how that's worked out so they have a boiler they have an agreement principle and it's going to be probably working with our team on the scope of what exactly they're doing but the legal language is already developed by the NSF I suspect you guys have legal overview as well yeah sorry well at least you had a meeting thank you very much for putting that together and knowing I think that's incredibly exciting and then at the end they open the wall of curtains over the operation center and it was pretty cool oh I'm sure they'll see that just follow Jensen right what's he doing tell the bank engineering caps I guess the only question we would have as the city staff is that that might not be taken from you before oh absolutely not I don't even know what you're going to mention but I just want to make sure that even though it's already voted as a line I know I'm looking for that I've done that never say never but don't see that happen just build that roof fast and it'll be gone every spin it is very exciting that you finally sat down with us yeah my sense is that now that we're talking about real money it'll go fast that's good then on the state highway 119 my understanding this field has given this group quite a bit of updates or normal people are going out so I'll be real quick on this but as you may recall the vision that came out of the PEL planning and environmental linkages study that we completed essentially signed off by FH Federal Highway Administration and the Federal Transit Administration this last fall the vision planning for that calls for BRT managed lane so it would be something similar to US 36 where buses carpools and toll paying cars could use the new inside lane and then we would also as part of the BRT it stops the stations parking rides for the bus and then the plan also includes a bikeway to connect the two cities current funding and I don't know what was presented the last time you presented to this group actually the total project cost is approximately including the Hover Street ban a 119 project is approximately 250 million the good news is even though we're not anything close to 250 in terms of coming together with financing for projects we're actually looking pretty good they'll often say money buys money and in the sense of being able to leverage dollars to get additional grants whether it's the federal or the state level the more money you have the more money you're usually able to get so right now most recently BRT has approximately 30 million available and CDOT's really come to the table just with the last few months we knew going into when we finished the planning level we knew that CDOT had approximately $9 million from Region 4 which is kind of the northern Colorado sub-region of CDOT since that time CDOT has also dedicated from Senate Bill 267 $30 million highway funding and then an additional $10 million in transit funds from the Department of Transit in rail and then in addition to that this number was also probably out before the Denver Regional Council of Governments through the transportation improvement process had granted quite a bit of money to the corridor and along with local government contributions that amount comes to about $14 million so here again the project is no way fully funded but money begets money and this is kind of similar to how US 36 happened it was just cobbling together from different funding plots and eventually it all came together so I'm actually a lot more confident than about this than I was safe for five months ago so can it also be done in stages? yeah we had started talking to CDOT right now CDOT through what they call HBTE the high performance thank you tolling authority enterprise thank you yeah just will go with HBTE which is an arm of CDOT which manages US 36 and the 470s they are doing an analysis to determine what kind of totals and revenue could be could be collected on the corridor and how it would work but in kind of more side conversations that we've had with CDOT they have brought up the idea okay even if we initially aren't able to construct full BRT and total lanes would there still be the possibility to to establish one of the other alternatives that we looked at in the study which is queue jumps or bus bi-cast lanes at the key intersections with the intent that those would eventually be incorporated into a full lane so short answer yes that one of the great things about I'll put my cell BRT hat on one of the great things about BRT is unlike other projects you can easily make incremental improvements and that was here again following the model of what US 36 did even though the new lanes didn't start going in until I want to say 2014 our team had started making improvements to the on the bus side as early as 2008 a big thing being the relocation of Bloomfield Park and Ride which of any of you who had ever taken the US 36 bus prior to its relocation know that when we stopped there depending on the time of the day the bus could take anywhere from our room just a if you were on the bus it was your you know, Dante's one of the things to tell it was just horrible putting the establishment of the station up on US 36 just psychologically nothing else was a huge benefit but my point in all that is we started making investments in the corridor even before the lane construction started so that one of the downsides to all that was when we had our ribbon cutting in 2016 January 2016 yeah, January 2016 it was sort of what has changed because so many things have built up over the 10 years there wasn't really that wow, everything changed overnight but the point being it's easy as money comes in to start making spot improvements and collectively cumulatively improve the corridor conditions so I have a question, I don't remember where the bus they used to be in the middle part and the stops that would be in the middle are there on the side there? the intent would be in the middle everything would be in the middle so the bus isn't doing the thing that would work so we don't have any examples Fort Collins would be the closest example of a median stop so no, I had no good example that could point out to a local sorry, but yes it's in the middle would be like our Kaufman plan where they are in the middle and then cross the Kaufman plan is like Dr. Kaufman too okay okay and then on the other end of the corridor it includes also improvements on 28th Street and Boulder so Boulder refers to as bad lanes business access and turn lanes so it allows the only people that can be in the lane is somebody who can make the right turn or the bus to also allow for a speed or travel time thank you good job thank you that's very good sure thank you very much thank you thank you thank you for coming okay good night good night okay, so as we are going to have a meeting we'll go ahead forward with comments from the board members I have nothing to add I'm good thank you thank you I just want to thank the board I want to thank the staff for the linking long line I just thought it was great good presentations by Sophie who's with the innovation for CDOT and she told us about electric cars and how they're going to be putting in more stations the state's going to be paying for that bicycle Colorado with Pete he was pretty negative about some stuff I thought he was pretty exciting about some stuff too and he even talked about Vision Zero in Oslo, Norway and having one car fatality instead of all that we've been having anyway I just thought it was great and all the different folks that were showing projects within the city and county it was a really good effort thank you, thank you for your work I don't know if you know what Sandy said about that meeting as well I really liked Pete's presentation I mean it just kind of speaks to some of the projects we're doing so I just want to emphasize my comment from the last meeting I'm really looking hard at the Colorado Street project and taking punky off of that street which would be really in line with what our city envisions in the long run you're glad to have something to do I think it's a possibility I think we should look at it I also was thinking about it afterwards and thinking why don't we have four lanes going down the middle of our downtown can we just have two on each way I don't know, he's very inspiring he was a little like an awesome inspiring to say well what would we do so that's a nice message I'd like to give a shout out to the community a little bit more but that's all I have thank you guys for for that meeting and inviting us it was really good I'm Mary Stales I'm shaking so you heard of all the wonderful things they're doing and every year Dr. Pog has an award ceremony so this year they are going to honor our incredible children so on April 27th they're going to have the award celebration and he's going to do a distinguished service award for almost 20 years so if anybody wants to go let me know because the city is probably going to buy a table and if there are more people there we can do a wave or whatever what time? April 22nd what time? that's a Wednesday what time? probably 6 it doesn't look to say 6 to 9 it's usually to be peanut oh no before the one day show take one of those peak buses down yeah it's a big deal that's good alright good work so that's it great, thank you looks like there's an upcoming meeting in the area I think you can just also add on that one so that's the county line where we're going to be interested in attending March 31st is that open this time as well? yes we're just moving into a different location to cover that whole corridor items for community attendance client emergency next April next month climate has forced in here the 94 is to council will there be something we can run out of that? or is it just informational? not sure yet depends on what the climate has I think what they're going to come up with is recommendations for the major contributors to greenhouse gases and so each one will have a couple recommendations they'll want you to produce so we'll have that and add it to you on Wednesday I imagine we'll have all that information so whether it is Wednesday before that will give you a total update read through and just kind of figure out how you feel about the different recommendations and I'm sure at least we'll ask for a recommendation to two council what would you like to see be your chance to make comments on those different items for reducing greenhouse gases and the climate emergency when is the county line road meeting on the 31st? what time and where is that? oh it's there sorry it's right there shhh that's all what's the third piece? don't mention it don't mention it I moved a major what was the second? elevator