 Okay, let's do this. Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Joining me as always for the final show of 2020. That's right, we send off the year in style. It's Tom, what's up brother? How you doing? Hello Prince. Exciting, you're really bringing the energy tonight Tom, that's what I'd like to see. Here we are on New Year's Eve Eve. It's been a long year and 2020 is almost over. Sure. I'm feeling the weight of that. Okay, all right, well you can feel the weight away. That's fine, weight away my friend. But at any rate, look, it's gonna be a great show. Just Tom and I tonight, we're gonna strap on the old tinfoil hats. Because it's time to predict everything we think is happening in 2020, okay? Everything. In 2021, sorry. We know we can easily talk about what's happening in 2020. I've got that one on lock. No, everything for ages, Sigmar. How about that? You got me. Governments toppled just all of it. Alien invasions, sure. The standard stuff. No, we're gonna do what's coming to the mortal realms to Warhammer, the age of Sigmar in 2021. What are we doing? What's going on? What's happening? What do we think? Let's be wrong in big ways. We're gonna take big swings and be wrong, but we will ring a ding, ding, predict a thing. So here we go. At any rate, let's get to the news first. Because there's still news, not much news, but a little bit. Well, we don't have a rumor engine this week. We do not, yeah. How are me disappointed? I mean, I know we've gotten like seven a week for the last four weeks. Sure. I get that. Sure. There goes Tom's slam dunk easy thing to say before he reads the stuff. But no, he actually read ahead today, which is, I'm proud of you, Tom. It's my intro, like that's it. I'm going in, I'm just like, oh, I don't get to do my thing. I was really, really expecting you to just say, well, we've got a rumor engine, and then I was ready to correct you. Because I figured you wouldn't read what I had typed in the show notes in time. But no, you were ahead of the game. I almost opened with, well, we have a rumor engine, and I don't know what, I haven't seen it, but it's been pirates. Like, we almost opened that way, but we didn't. So, yeah, but what we did, the big, the big not, or the not big reveal, the big not big reveal on Saturday, or not Saturday, on Christmas day was Slunesh. Ta-da. What do you think, Vince? What do I think? Well, I think we're going to talk about it a lot because it's a big part of my 2021 predictions. We'll be talking about that, of course. Not that there's much to that prediction. That's a low hanging fruit, as we would call it. I mean, that apple is ripe. It's succulent. It's red. It's juicy. So ready for you to just pick right off and take a big, a big delicious bite out of. Yeah, man, I'm beyond excited. I mean, I'll be, you know, yeah, I'll save most of my thoughts for that, but for when we get into the prediction stuff. So that this whole new section doesn't just become Vince talks about Slunesh for 20 minutes. It was great. We'll save that for the body of the show. That's correct. That's correct. But yeah, I mean, I've got the battle tome up over here for a reason. Like this is, this is the news thing that matters right here. So. I'll just open this way. We were right. Of course. Like we said, it'd be a battle tome wasn't just going to be a broken realm thing. I'll be, yes. Well, not only that, but also that there was a how to, there was like a palanquin. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's right here. It's literally right here on the screen. Yeah. Like, like we called it like literally like within that hour of dropping of that video, we called it. Yep. Absolutely. Found that. Found the archers. Absolutely. So for the new year events, you're wanting to spruce up the show. Yeah. Here's what you need to do. You need to get a balloon animation drop so that every time I can be like, we called it it'd be like a balloon fall. It would be easier, Tom, for me to rig up a real balloon drop than I just reset. Then for me to figure out whatever digital tools would make that happen. I want you to know that. I mean, that's, that's a good call. Maybe we just need to rig up an actual balloon drop. Like for each, for each week. I'm fine with that. I've got room in the ceiling. It's a drop ceiling. I can keep balloons up there. It's fine. Awesome. Look, I'm an analog person, Tom, and doing what I do with this show is already pushing the levels of my technical capabilities. So I'm going real balloons. I like physical things in the world, you see. That's why we play this game. All right. True. So what else we got? Yes, the new reveals were awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Man, some of those archers. We'll get into it. Yep. Okay. So we had the old world map of Bretonians. Yep. Cool beans. I put that in here because if I don't mention it, people are going to be like, you didn't mention it. We mentioned it. Yep. Another section of the map. Okay. Orion is on there. That's what I'm going to say. Like, congratulations. We look forward to 2023 when we know what this game is going to be. So... When the 10 millimeter game rolls out. Sure. You know, who knows? Will it be just a Horus heresy? Will it use the same figs? Will it be cross compatible? Will it be a different scale? Will they compete with themselves? Who knows? Yep. It could be anything. It could be a boat. It could be a boat. Man, that'd be amazing. I'd love if there was a boat. Okay. Do you want to talk about the best model of 2020? Yeah. So you can go vote for the best model of 2020. It's quite a lot. It was actually like, it was actually like, what do I want to say? Really hard to pick one because as I was scrolling through this massive list, I was... And there's just so many. Just so many. I was like, good Lord. Yep. And so much of it's 40K, right? Because it's every new space marine and every new necron all had their thing. Yes. And... Did you have a favorite? Yeah, I did. Oh, absolutely. Yes, I absolutely already voted. I voted like day one. Would you like to know what I voted for? I would. I'm curious. I voted for the mind stealer sphere ranks, Tom, because I'm repping my llama cat and that is a 2020 model, yo. Oh. I mean, there's no way my vote matters because I'm like, I'm going to be one of like seven votes for that model. But my, to my other six brothers and sisters out there who are repping llama cat were together, Sympodico. So there you go. Because that was the, I mean, it was only things released in 2020. Well, like what about the giants? Like you didn't feel like it at this point? No, llama cat's better. Llama cat's way better than any of the Megas. Come on now. That's crazy. It's crazy talk. Okay. It's Warfiend said, good Lord, the sphere ranks was this year. Yes, I know. That's what I said too, when I found it in the list and I was like, oh, okay. I like that one. Because that was my favorite. But yes, that feels like it was just, it feels like it was a million years ago, Tom, because it was January when it came out. Right? You're right. I mean, that is hard to wrap my brain around. It is tough to conceptualize for me that earlier this year, I was in Australia for Cancun. Like that existed in the same year. That feels like 50 years ago. I wouldn't know how you voted for llama cat when you had something like Teclis on the line. The deadpan sarcasm with which you delivered that is truly admirable. Thank you. Absolutely. Yes, no, obviously not. I did think about the other two that almost had my vote were Lumioneth models though. One was the Light of Elthorium, because I do think he's gorgeous. I think it's like a magic of engineering. And the next was the big Allerith stone walker, the cow mountain, because I am about that cow mountain. He is awesome. You are out of your damn mind. I mean, what I would say is that, I don't know, like I'm a big fan of the blade coven. So the B-scrave dock stuff, like some of the skulls were just- Maze, Morgue, Wates Coven, whatever it is. Morgue, Wates Coven. And then I agree, Light of Elthorium was striking. And I'm sure it'll be up there. Like at the end of the day, it will be near the top. I hope he makes it into the top 10. I really do. Because I think that is a banner great model. Like that is an all time, it truly is like an all time great, right? Yeah, like I hate that it's so striking because it makes no sense to me. Because it doesn't have any real connection to the rest of the army because it's so kind of a standalone piece. Right, just no connection. And so like I wanna vote for it just because I wanna be like make more of these and less of them. More of this thing, sure. Yeah. Go for it, get your vote in. Get your vote in now folks, they got one more day basically to vote. So then it's over because they let you vote until the end of the year. So there you go. Yep. Yeah, so I guess Elthorium will probably, yeah. Anyways, that's what, that's happened. So we have a New Year's Day preview article. We do. Then are you excited about that? Yeah, I mean, we're gonna see. It's gonna be fun to see so quickly how right or wrong we were about these predictions we're gonna make tonight. Because, I mean, so few other times have we been able to do this. Yeah. And be fact checked so quickly. Exactly, exactly. We're like instantaneously, we're gonna be like nope, yep, okay, great. So I was talking with Amber tonight and she's like, I was telling her what we were doing. She was like, what are we doing? What are you doing the show on? And I explained it to her and she goes, so do you guys ever like go back and like check to see how accurate you were? And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That is not what we're doing here. Yeah, we go back and call back to it when we know we were right. If we were wrong, we just made that in the past, like forget about that, that's nothing. Right, nobody watches all the episodes. People do and go call us out, which I always enjoy. I like when people point out stuff that we called horribly wrong or horribly right. I mean, what I'll say is I think it was somebody that pointed out to me that I called out the doc, like two and a half years ahead of time or whatever. Yeah, sure. Yeah, like I don't think that that was one that I caught for a week, one of AOS. And there's been a couple others like that that have really like kind of caught us out. Kai Rose's vote is we're going to see the rest of the Advent stuff, the Palin Quinn for Slenesh, the Inquisitor Kill Team and possibly hints toward the death under World War Band. Yeah, I would love to see the OBR war band being that that rumor engine is nine months old that contains the obvious OBR under World War Band. We saw it in March. Was it the death one, or are they talking about the pirate one? I'd take you to, I'd take you to. I mean, both, there's two death under World War Band. I would take the, I would take Vampirates or the Vampirate War Band or the OBR War Band. Well, both are competing in the oldest rumor engines area. I don't want to get ahead of our predictions, but I suspect they'll do the pirates in order to stir up more interest. Get that Vampirate hype up at 11, only to then crush our dreams. I can't wait. It's going to be so good. Yeah. Okay, okay, cool. What else we got as far as news go? Not a lot more. We have, you're doing another survey. I am. I do. I want to talk about it very much. Hi, everybody. Hello, hello, audience out there who is watching this right now. If you look in the description, you'll see that there's a link to another survey. That's right. Not only is it the end of the year, but it's survey time again. Because we're going to, I wanted to, this is a survey I've wanted to do for a while and there's not a, sorry, it wasn't much to answer, Legionnaires real quick. No, there's not a GW show this weekend, but they are doing a preview article on New Year's Day. Okay, there we go. Now, back to what I was saying. Hey, Goobs, good to see you, buddy. So here's what we're doing. I wanted to do a show about negative play experience for a while. The problem that I keep running into when I want to talk about negative play experience is that it's really hard to define what that means because it's an extremely subjective thing. And it's sort of this thing that we all agree that there's this amorphous electron cloud called negative play experience. But exactly where the electrons are in the cloud is like, you can't map it, right? As soon as we try to observe it, they bounce around, yeah? And so I thought, well, so I've been thinking a while about how I wanted to put this survey together. And so today I finally got all my ideas down and created the survey. So that's down in the description now. Oh, that's fine, that's, if I forgot it, that's because they didn't put it in the list, but I'll fix that real quick. I'll fix that after the show, Martin. So if you're a legions and a gosh player, wait till after the show to take it. If that's your main army. I pulled a big list and apparently that person that I borrowed the list from, namely GW didn't have legions on it either. Anyways, or I just typed over it. So I'll fix that after the show. So thank you, Martin. So I wanted to survey about it and I thought about, well, how do we go about this? Because I've got a lot of concerns when I do the survey that I'm gonna lead people, right? That I'm gonna walk you into it that I'm getting an answer that I've already asked. So it's basically just a mirror back at me. So I had to walk through this in very particular ways. And I think, I hope, I've gotten to a way to identify not just what the, not just what it is, but also like, not just what NPE is, what the community considers it, but what they consider the worst offenders. If that makes sense, because there's both a, yes it is, but there's also intensity. Does that make sense? And so I'm trying to pull those things apart. So hopefully the survey work. I will warn you, this one does take slightly more time because I'm gonna ask you to rank a lot of things. So you gotta like move little boxes around on the survey and stuff, because I'm doing ranking because I'm trying to measure intensity. The survey monkey told me the average completion time for this survey should still be six minutes. So it shouldn't take that long, but we'll see. I guess that depends on how thoughtful you are on your choices. I will, I'll get the legions thing fixed, everybody. I'm sorry, I can't do it now during the show. You're looking at my screen, right? Fix it right now while we're talking. So which I don't think everybody wants to watch me fix a survey for 10 seconds. So there you go. Okay, so that's what we're doing. Do the survey, complete it, check it out. Check to check, check, check, check it out. What's it all about? So because we're gonna do a show on NP here in a few weeks. The survey will be open for two weeks basically from today and then we'll do a show a week after that. You know what people like doing more than taking surveys, Vince? Oh, I'm ready. What do they like doing more than taking surveys, Tom? Everybody's favorite thing. Watching people talk about taking surveys for the last 30 seconds. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. You're welcome. Look, here's my answer to that, okay? My answer to that is, Leslie, Tom. I think we've managed to do some quite good analytics on our previous sort of shows around that, okay? I don't disagree with that. And I plan to again, like I'm gonna try to really make this one rich as far as the synthesizing the analytics that we get out of this. Ha, there you go, fix it. Well, on my other screen while we were looking, I fixed the, I gotta add it to two questions actually here, but I fixed it. It now has the legions of the gosh, they're just gonna be at the end. Again, not a real army, but that's fine. All right, if it was me, I'd be striking arms down on this. It's gonna be not a real army soon. Sure. Once that vampire book drops. Okay, there you go, fixed. There you go, everybody. Legions is in the list now, sorry. Okay, yes, we're gonna try to 538 the NPE, that's exactly right. We'll look for my, look for my model, my predictive model that'll be coming soon. My interactive dashboard model, it's gonna be great. Well, it's gonna be your predictive model for the types of armies that Tom's gonna play next. Correct. All I can do is I can chart this out and it'll be, you're like tapping or something and it's killing me. You're gonna be, and whatever charts out to have the highest NPE, that's you. That's Tom, it's just like, there's his army. Okay, cool. So that's the news. Fill out the survey, check it out. Hey, but while you're here, before you're waiting on all the rest of that stuff, why not hit like on the show? Or if you haven't already subscribed, do that too. There you go, I'm gonna try to mention that stuff earlier. Yeah, because you're supposed to do that. So thanks, everybody. Okay. Tom, let's talk pick of the week. What do you wanna share with everybody? It's a great question. There's just so much at the end of the year. There's just a lot of good content floating around. There is. Is that your ceiling? Is that what's made, are your kids bouncing around upstairs? Or is that you tapping? It may be a little bit of both in fact. Gotcha, okay. Well, we can't stop that, but don't you tap. Go ahead, go continue. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the kids are bouncing upstairs, like literally just thundering. You know, what I'll say is this, I'm a big fan of two plus stuff. You guys know this. And Doug has been started a wonderful soulbound lore series. So if you're interested in AOS lore and you want more information, go check out the new series of videos that Doug has started. They're just excellent. Like they're the type of thing where I'm just like, you know what, I don't have anything to watch. I'm gonna watch Doug talk about AOS. Yeah, you mean about soulbound, but I know what you meant. Doug's videos are just about it, yes. But again, soulbound is AOS. It's just cool. 100% sure. Yep. Yep. There's just so many of them and they're so loud. Yes, it's thunderous above you. When there's a puppy in the house, that's just kind of happens. Sure. Because everybody's running and jumping and playing and frolicking. Sure, sure. Okay. So at any rate, my pick of the week is going to be for our wonderful friend, Mr. Mephisto, whose show I was on Christmas Eve. We did a great show, Hyping Slanesh. Mef had a wonderful, he and I sat around for, I don't know, three hours, three and a half hours, talked to Slanesh, talked a little about MMOs and fun MMO memories and times and life in the universe and everything. So I will link that down below. Meph's gonna be back on the show probably next month or by that, I mean February, sorry, I guess it is still December. And yeah, it was a really fun show. And if you're as hype as me about Slanesh, this is the show for you, because we get hype. Yes, I shared many, many stories of Ultima online. It was very fun. Okay. Ultima. Oh, John, you're killing me with that. That is great. I wish I could have a bot that was really legitimately counting that, except it would commit suicide because the count would run too high and it wouldn't know what to do with itself. The bot would just be like, it's not worth living. This number is too high. Do they never say anything else? And then it would give up at any rate. So, let's talk about some hobby time. Tom, have you worked on anything over this holiday period where all your kids are home with you constantly and you have a new puppy? Well, basically got a model done. Okay. Okay. All the highlights are done. I have to do my crackle paint on the base. And I'm finishing up highlights and getting ready to finish the basing on my 10-man unit of thunderers. Nice. So, almost finished two units this week. What is this madness? Tom has actually finished, not just one, but two things. Two things, Tom. Two. Well, you know, I mean, so much show that like I was disappointed. I can't find my man that fits it. My gunner for my gun hauler. I'm not sure where he went because obviously I painted them individually and he's gone now. So, I need to find him somewhere on the floor and that's gonna happen. But that was a disappointment this week because I'm actually like building the model and putting it together and I don't have him. But yeah, so almost finished two things this week. Making good progress on those. Those should be done soon and then I'll try to figure out what next two things I'm gonna work on. So. Awesome. Well, for myself, obviously I finished up that last giant, he's back in the case now. So all my giants are up there. That army is officially done. Three megas and six babies, 2,500 points so I can run any combination I want. And I was very happy about that. So now we're doing something fun which is I am painting this big giant 75 millimeter basically model, which is actually the statue of St. Celestine out of the battlefield kit. I got that for Christmas. And so this is, yeah, this is, I just filled a lot of the gaps and the cracks to make it look like her dress is torn but not like she's made of stone. And yeah, we're just gonna paint her like a real person. Neat. So you got basically a 55 millimeter St. Celestine. She's 75 millimeter, she's huge. And yes, I wanted to paint a big display. There's her head right there. And her wings are over there on that because I mean she's big sub assemblies. And so yeah, it's a lot of fun. She's been messing around with that. I wanted a nice sort of more display type project but you know, they're gonna be working on that. Y'all get that finished up here over the next couple of days into this weekend. And then I also got my other Warhammer Christmas present was Rakesh, Rakesh is, I don't know, the three chariot box from Broken Realms. So I'm gonna make myself up three sweet Crimson Cabal chariots so I can run that all in either corn or slanash as the all mounted army because I have 15 chaos knights if for that force and then I'll be able to do three chariots so I can do like, you know, sort of any combination of units to run the ruin bringers or band. So everybody charging, everybody mortal woundsing, it's gonna be a good time. There you go. Sounds like a party. Absolutely. Look, corn chaos knights are everything I want chaos knights to be, okay? Because they explode things that they hit. Yup. They're like Bane in the Harley Quinn cartoon. They love explosions. They love explosions. Okay. Checked out. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, cool. So yeah, it's a very fun project. It's a beautiful model. I wish they would just make, well, you know what painting that St. Celestine made me wish that they would just make a few display models of their models. Like just purely for painting, make some 54 or 75 millimeter versions of some of their finer, like some of the really nicer models that are just there to do display painting with. I know it's probably counter to what they want, but I wish they would do that. I would love like a 54 millimeter like squig hopper. Yeah, sure. Like we could all, like they could, they know what's sort of the most popular, right? Just based on sales data or people's voting in this end of year model surveys and stuff like that. So it would be cool to make some just 75 millimeter display versions or busts or something like that. Call it the Masterpiece series. Okay. And do a bunch of like one-off things blown up to 55 millimeter or 75 or 54 or 75. It would be beautiful. Like that's what I wanna see. Okay. All right. So let's get into the topic. Here we go. It's time. Ring a ding ding. Let's predict a thing. All right. So Tom, here's how I wanna do this. You ready? Okay. We're gonna do this. I am going in cold. So there is no preparation to this whatsoever. Well, I'm not, but that's okay. That's, I would expect nothing less of you, Tom. Okay. So we are going to, we're gonna do it by quarter. Okay. Brought up our little calendar. Yeah. Okay. So we're gonna do this by quarter because I think that's just the reason why to do, especially since I think a bunch of releases, I don't even think they know for sure where they're gonna happen yet. Sure. Okay. Sure. Because I think right now, there's probably a lot, like at the end of the year with them having to move everything around and they know they're gonna be slow in Q1. I'm sure they're hoping to be back to normal in Q2, but my guess is in like, you know, on, on somebody's whiteboard, like on Pete's whiteboard behind him, whatever, he has like three plans written. Right. And just a bunch of question marks. Sure. Like here's plan one. It's the most favorable. If we're able to get back on track, if we're able to get all these things shipped, then here will be the release schedule. Here's the sort of middling prediction. Here's your worst case scenario. Right? And there's undoubtedly, like they're just moving pieces because the, the reality is there's, there's no way they at this point in time have like a set week to week release schedule for the year that they know for sure they will hit. Right. Yep. Yep. They've got to be playing it by ear as we end 2020 between new COVID strain and trade negotiations. And, you know, nodding them going into tier four lockdown or whatever, just like, just challenges and how fast does the vaccine roll out and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. Okay. So we accept that there's, so that's why I want to do it by quarter. Okay. Because I think that's probably less likely to move. Right? Yep. Okay. So let's start with Q one. Okay. Q one, 2021. Obviously, we're getting Slenesh. That's where we're starting. I'll put this back. I'll put the Heed Nights book back up. That's slammed on. We've already been told. We've already seen the video. We'll get the Palanquins spoiled here at some point. And that's basically the last model. Completely new book. I'm going to argue completely new rules. I think there will still be a summoning mechanic. I think there will still be something called Decravity. I think it'll work completely differently. I think you'll have a, I think it will be, I think the Locus will completely change. I do not think the Locus of Diversion will be like it was. Because the Locus of Diversion was a sort of manifestation of having units that there was nothing in the army that could take a punch. Right? So if anything attacked you first, your unit just turned into mist. Right? Yep. But the reality is now you've got the Painbringers who clearly are heavily armored with a big giant shield and will have a minimum of four of if not a three up save or some kind of say re-rollable save or whatever. You've got the Twin Souls who will probably have some armor to them. Right? Yep. So there will be potential anvils in this army. Right? Or at least things that are better at taking a punch than what they have right now. You'll still have access to all the demons. It's still called Heed Knights of Sleenesh. They're not eliminating any keywords. Right? So when everything that was in the original tome is a Heed Knight, everything that's in this tome will be a Heed Knight. All the mortal and demon units will be integrated and done and dusted. Job's a good one. Right? This version will be approved for AOS 3.0. Sure. I bet the other one was not. Okay. Yeah. 100% that's true. Now a small note. The logo did not change. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if that is as determinative as you might think it is. I understand it worked for the first edition. Yeah. Last time when we were riding into second, the Nurgle logo changed. Okay. Yep. And that was because a big narrative event kicked off at the same time. Now I'm gonna talk about AOS 3.0 and how I think this is rolling out. But okay, let's, we'll go. We'll figure it out. What do I think of two Heed Knight books between Stormcast books? I think it's a beautiful world we live in. That's what I think. And we should all be so lucky. I think the Heed Knight's book is gonna be fantastic. I love the new mounted guys. Their new little anteater horses look fantastic. The Chocobos. Yeah, the Chocobos. The new Chocobos are great. The one with the open mouth is like awesome. He's got a pierced tongue, which is hilarious to me. Both of the sets of riders look really great. The archers look amazing. And obviously seeing the whole, I really love this land war. Being clearly like slightly smaller doombles, I think is fantastic. And so I think that all in all, I couldn't have been more excited about these releases. My particular prediction is that, the riders are gonna be fast, pretty hard hitting cab with a relatively low armor save. The archers will be the same. Foot archers will have probably either like mortal wound poison or something like that or a good poison as long as their little sub is still alive because it is an 11 model kit. You get 10 archers and their little sub that's following them around. And if he doesn't die, then I suspect they get their poison. But if you can pick him out of the unit or kill him, then you probably lose your poison attack or your mortal wounds or whatever it happens to be. And the slang gore will just be like lots of hard hitting attacks, but probably made of paper. They're written like shock troops, right in the way that they describe them. And I'm sure that's what they'll live up to. They'll probably be Ren neg two with their big claws because the army actually, the army, Slenesh ironically has a huge amount of Ren neg one. And that's it. Like almost everything in the army is Ren neg one and basically nothing is Ren neg two. So there's actually not a lot of Ren in the army. The army really struggles with high armor. I would assume that these slang gore will be Slicy dicey Julianne frying people with their neg two rend probably two damage claws. Yeah, you're on mute, Tom. You forgot you were on mute and you started talking. Nope, you're still on mute. Nope, now he's just gone gone. All right, so anyways, and I think depravity will go away because I think it doesn't work for the, I think it just doesn't work for the, it's too hero focused. None of these new mortal units would benefit at all. So you've got to completely change it. You've got to completely change the locus. My assumption is they'll move to some kind of new locus that benefits the demons in some way. In a new and different way. Hey, welcome back. I apologize. My family apparently is dancing to rap on the main floor. Okay. And so I was stopping that. So hopefully the clogging commercial should come to an end. Good, good, good. Yeah, like, yeah, that's okay. Many, many, I apologize to everyone. Yeah, that's fine. It is what it is. Okay. Tom, anything else you want to say about the slanish thing? No, I think it'll be wildly popular. I think that it, I think that it will, because they needed to release a book, that tells me that there are significant changes. It's not just new worst roles. I think there are significant allegiance ability changes. I don't know if I would go so far as to say they're changing depravity completely or whatever that looks like. I don't know, who knows? I think the summoning chart will stay the same. I think the way you, like if they- How you generate depravity. Yeah, exactly. If they keep the way you generate depravity as it is written now, then you might as well have not printed all these new units. Throw them in the bin. They're garbage, they're useless. Every one of these, I don't care what their rules are, they're garbage. Because- And maybe. Because like the entire engine of the book runs off of depravity. And every thing you put in that army that isn't a hero, saps your ability to make depravity. Maybe. Unless they- Unless they write, yeah. Unless they back in- Yeah. And have these new units like gain depravity if they do X. Sure, then you can keep it. Right, right. Or you just say any, because like, right, what if you just said any time you do a wound that does not kill on any unit? Sure, you got really the hero level of it. Sure. Right. Like, and so like they could keep depravity as is. But say, everybody generates depravity. Everybody does. Yeah. And it generates depravity, both doing damage and receiving wounds. Any wound not done that does not kill a model generates depravity. Yeah, my honest answer is I would love it if they still like, obviously you can't just make that change wholesale because you'd shoot the amount of potential depravity like through the freaking roof. Right? You just change all your values. Yeah, you'd have to like wildly adjust the summoning table. But here's another thing. I kind of honestly hope that they jettison that mechanic because if you've ever played Slanesh, you know it's playing CPA, the army. Because you're sitting there with like, you're sitting there making just dozens and dozens of hash marks on a piece of paper. The whole time to be like, okay, let's see, I just detect that unit. Five models, two wounds, one guy on one wound. So I'm going to get five depravity. Okay, cool. So you got like one, two, three, four, five. And then you hit me back. You did three wounds. Okay, that's one, two there. I lost that model. Okay. Like it's just all this bookkeeping that's really annoying, right? At this micro level. Yeah. It would be great if they would just like, honestly get rid of it and figure out some better way to do it. I don't know what that better way is, but I hope it's better. There you go. Yeah. If they kill the... If you made it so anybody in the army can gain depravity then it should just be wounds done to your own people that don't kill them. Sure. But then Damon at your useless, still. Still. Still. Yeah, I don't know. So I mean, one of the questions that I would then have is what about like if they do get rid of the locus as it is. Like what does that do to the activation wars? Makes it better because it shouldn't be there at all. It should have never been there in the first place. Well, no, no, no, no. But you're missing my point is that like, but there are still things that are left that are not being updated. Fine, slowly over time kill those two. Yeah, that's fine. We can fix fireslayers too eventually. Like let's just remove that dumb, the dumb things that make that happen out of fireslayers and we can call it a day. And then we're basically out of this nonsense. You know what I would replace it with? The locus of swiftness. It's that easy. If you're like at the start of the charge phase if you're holy within, or during the charge phase if you're holy within, you know, X inches of a demon hero, you can charge 3D6 and may declare a charge at a unit up to 18 inches away. That's what the army should be doing. It should be speed kills. Like slanesh should be just easily faster than every other army in the game. That's not out and out teleporting. Nurgle would like to have a word with you. Yeah, that's my point. Like we shouldn't be in a foot race with blight kings. That's ridiculous. Right? So like just giving the entire army like if you're organized correctly, 3D6 charge is one, there's no, that's not unfun. Like that's cool. Like it's just a cool thing. Your army's faster. It suits well. It's not broken. Like, okay. There we go. Easy. Look, I solved it. See how simple that was? Fits perfectly. It would at cover it stops some of the weaknesses of the army like shooting because you can get into people faster. Right? You can chase things down easier. Like, yep. Sure. So that's slanesh. Let's talk, let's talk the rest of Q1. We have underworlds warbands dropping and we know that one of those is a vampire pirates. I mean, or we have very strong inclinations that one of them is that. Oh, they're vampires. Yeah. 100%. I would agree with that. I would agree with the warband is. I don't know that the army is, but I think the warband definitely is. We, I don't think we'll see that drop. I don't think we'll see that book drop in March. Okay. I think that that is a Q2 drop. 100% agreed. Here's my prediction. Other than the warbands and this slanesh army, we're not going to get anything for AOS in Q1. I disagree with that. Okay. Because I think that the narrative is gonna get advanced with these broken realms. So you think there's a broken realms book in? March. March. I think March. Because I would love to say that we have a broken realms book in January, but I don't think we're going to. Well, they basically said the next thing that's coming out for AOS is February. Is this? The next battle tone is what they said. Well, the way that it was phrased was if you're a fan of AOS, your next release is coming in February is basically how they phrased it. But sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was thinking that I meant army wise. I don't disagree with that. I think that broken realms, the second book will come in March. I agree with that prediction. Yes. I think that's correct. That will be our March release. It will be no new models, right? I'm like, we'll get, well, maybe. I don't necessarily agree with that either. I think that we could get models, but they're gonna be one-off like hero kits or they're gonna be like starter boxes, like what we got with broken realms one. I really think that- New models, they're just repacks. No, no. I think we could legitimately get like a talk. What is it? Is it Cal and Tollis? Or- Tollis and Cal. Yeah, Tollis and Cal. Yeah, yes, or whatever their name is. I think that like we could get like a hero box, you know, like a small little thing or whatever. Like I think that you could get a one-off Clam Pack with a small release like that. Gotcha. With new, like legitimately new models. Okay. I don't think that that, like, I don't know that that's gonna come, but I think that that is fully within the possibility of like a Clam Pack style release or something like that with the War Scroll in the book. No, Calus and Toll, thank you very much, Paul. I appreciate it. We've messed it up. Calus and Toll. Who, by the way, are from Excelsis or whatever the name of the city is. And we, when we call that that's Gordrack it's probably Book Two, that's what we thought. Yes. I don't know if we all saw that, but yes. No, we did. Like, no, we did. Go back and look. That was, well, me and you did. Sure. And yes, I agree, it is Book Two. So like that's, here's the official call. Here's, I'm gonna chart out Q1, you ready? He nights in February, early February. Okay, cause it was supposed to be a January release. And here's why I say I don't really think there's much else AOS happening in Q1. I think they cleared AOS off the decks in Q1 and they're gonna focus on the money makers, which is 40K. Cause they've still said there is a new battle tone coming in every month for 40K. They've got a huge amount of death guard backed up. They've got a release, like a ton of new models and the battle tone, right? They've got the, whatever that new big box is, that is the Jukari versus the Sisters of Battle, right? With the new Palantin and Lilith Hesperx. They've got, which then they've got the Jukari and any new Jukari stuff they're gonna do, okay? So like, they have like a lot of 40K stuff they need to get out on a now bi-weekly release schedule, okay? And so we go from having 12 weeks where things will release over that three months to six. Right. Okay, that's actually a huge cut in the number of releases. Three of those are already, we just know, thank you, Piety and Payne was the name of it, yes. Three of those are already dedicated to 40K codexes, and they're associated releases, right? So Dark Eldar, Death Guard and Dark Angels, okay? And, you know, and all their other related stuff, okay? If Heat Knights is another one, which feels like they're not gonna shove out too much 40K stuff in the same weekend as they do the Heat Knights thing, right? Right. Oh, I absolutely, Paul, think bi-weekly means less releases. They didn't like move to bi-weekly to release the same amount of stuff, but like pack everything into one week. That doesn't help their situation any. The problem they have right now is they can't get stuff out. So they had to like radically readjust their schedule and slow down and move stuff and say what's the most important things we need to get out and focus on those, right? Because otherwise they would have just kept it. It's easier to do it weekly than to try it for yourself. Well, what to do with reliability? Like they could have went to bi-weekly with the understanding that like, if they can get everything in place to move it, that they can release all the content in those two weeks. So it gives them larger lead times to confirm their next release. It does, but I can't see that part of the reason for it wasn't to reduce some of the releases because they were having trouble getting everything out. Like it just, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. I mean, look, if somebody from GW who's watching, hi, GW, if you wanna tell me I'm wrong and it's actually just to allow different shipping times and that's those kinds of associations, great, great. I have no issue with that. And they'll have to double up some. Because yes, like so, so IT said they'll have to double up a bit. Yeah, I mean they have to. Cause I've already just covered four weeks or four of the six releases and we know there's three underworlds where bands coming out, right? They're not gonna all get their own week. They just ship on, on like, they'll happen on appropriate weekends, right? Right. Just like Black Library novels and stuff like that will still happen and happen on, you know, those always just slide in along with everything else. And so yeah, my feeling is they wanted to move a bunch of, they have pushed AOS stuff out of Q1 that was originally supposed to be there. We know Heat Nights was supposed to be January. That's not like a just rumor thing. No, we had the coin. We had the coin, it was very clear that was going to be the January release. It got pushed to February. They didn't, my point of them releasing less is let's do the math. They took something that was supposed to release in January and pushed it by a month. Okay, if you do that with everything else, guess what, it's less stuff. This isn't like a, this isn't a tricky math problem folks. Okay, so there you go. I mean, it's really that simple, which tells me that the only thing we're getting is Heat Nights and all their associated stuff, which is awesome. Couldn't be more excited. Great, fantastic, A plus. And then A Broken Realms book, which is gonna go, this is gonna lead to my thoughts on AOS three eventually. We're teasing that right now. We're teasing that this is gonna lead to challenges for AOS three. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that. All right, do you disagree or do you think there's something? And yes, I think book two will be Broken Realms Gordrack, by the way. And it's gonna be him bashing into Excelsis. And so you'll get new stuff like, you'll probably get a minor storm cast thing. You'll get a big focus on multiple and the rest will be big focuses on like the big three destruction forces taking part here. Which would be all your ore clans and your sons of Behemoth, okay? And your glooms fight. And yeah, and your Gits, sorry, yes. I think Gits will get the minor end of that treatment, which is why they got all the white dwarf stuff, right? Yep, yep. And then there'll be some wild card they throw in the mix. I don't know, because I think they'll try to aim for five in a book, but I don't know who the heck the wild card is. Maybe another chaos thing. They like throwing an chaos thing. I think that we'll get a callous and toll set of models. I'm gonna go out and say it. I think that we'll actually get those. Okay. I disagree, but I would love it. If that was like, if we got a city's thing through that in some way, that'd be cool. And I could see a city's Excelsis. Oh, thank you, yeah, Maw Tribes, yes. I think honestly, they might not touch sons at all and might do Maw Tribes instead, so. Yep, that's what I'm thinking. But yeah, it'll either have five or six things in it, mostly focusing on destruction, maybe a minor mentioning of Stormcast, since it's the gates to Aziir, probably a city's thing, and then there'll be some kind of spoiler guy in there. Cause they always love having one weird random thing, right? So, but I have no idea who that would be. I mean, they could pull out anybody. It's like the idolaters. There's no way looking at broken realms, Marathi beforehand, you would have said, what we're gonna get is a chaos chariot-focused chaos faction, like, that was a very left field call. You could be like where fire slayers get slotted in. Sure, sure. Or something like that, just a random. I mean, given the focus on destruction order, you would guess that they'd use chaos or death as a weird spoiler faction, just having some kind of. Sure. Okay. I can see that. Okay. Cool. So that's Q1. Q1 done. I suspect Q1 will be kind of quiet. Let's look at Q2. So this is April through June, obviously, but before Tom, we look at that, I would like to bring up to you this week I did it. That's right. I made a little accumulation of a bunch of different rumor engines. I got them all together and made us a little picture. Okay? And it'll come up on screen for you in a minute if you're watching live. Okay. Yeah. And so I gathered, now there's a lot of unanswered rumor engines. Okay. This is not all of them. Okay. Let's be 100% clear. This is not all of the unanswered rumor engines. Yep. I grabbed a selection of things that I thought would be informing our predictions for Q2 and beyond now that we get into the unknown space. We are beyond the red line, Tom. We are jumping way beyond the red line. Okay. Okay. All right. So say we all. So at any rate, let's talk about that top row plus the little bone flu because I couldn't fit them all up top. So I just kind of set it off to the side. So it's kind of this area over here, right? It's the top five, that's the one on the right side. Okay? Yeah. Okay. Death, death, death, death, death, death. I could see that bone flute being a nervel. Perhaps, but I'm gonna roll it in with death here. It's on a different line. The reason why I say that is just simply because we have that exact aesthetic in Playbearers already. I know. It's kind of on that line where it could go either way. That's another reason I offset it, right? Was because it's the questionable one, right? Yep. These were the most death-y of all of them. Yep. With some kind of new gargoyle-y winged bat thing, what I think is the bottom of the new Blood Knight kit. Yep. Some kind of, some kind of like, I don't know, vampire arm with a sword or something, then the halberd and the- Vampire Lord. Yeah. Your new Vampire Lord model. Yep. Yep. Now, it could be the same guy with a sword by the way, could also have the halberd in his other hand. It's facing the right way, or he could have the weird long skull. Yes. Like, those are opposite hands, right? Right. So like, it could be the sword in one hand and the long skull in the other. Okay? Yep. Or the halberd could be on the new, not vargoyle, what was the abyssal, abyssal tear? Was that the old mounted vampire on the bat creature? Yeah, the abyssal tear, yeah. Okay, so what we could actually be looking at in images one, two and four, is the new mounted vampire Lord on Abyssal Tear. By the way, I just want to point out, we've had in the chat so far, people say the flute is Nurgle, the flute is Seraphon, the flute is Oryx, the flute is Flesh Eater Quartz. So there's a lot of feeling about what the flute could be. The flute's all over the place. I mean, those armies love that bone flute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People love the bone flutes, they want to get into it. Okay. So the, my point, here is my pointed question to you, Tom. Yep. Are we getting just a new vampire faction as we had previously predicted? Or looking at this, are we getting a larger remake of death with no, with the only vampires being the warband, the underworld's warband? I'm gonna go out and say, and I'm probably wrong. So I'm gonna say, you know, like I'm gonna stake my claim based on what I feel, what I want to be true, not what is probably true. Okay. And what I want to be true is I want to, I want it to be a vampire book with kind of three different sub factions, at least. And one of those being vampire pirates. I want that to be true. That is probably not the case. We are probably just getting a normal vampire faction. And then the vampire pirates are the one off warband. That's probably what's gonna happen here. That's not what I want. That's probably like statistically, that's what's gonna happen. Sure. Yeah. I feel like we're getting a pretty big push into vampires and then there are associated minions. As I was re-looking at all of the rumor engines, right? And really thinking about this release. So here's my Q2 predictions. Let me lay this out. Here we go. Okay, March we had that Broken Realms talked about. Now we're into Q2. I think the next Broken Realms book, where they want it to be, it's gonna happen in Q2. I think there's one happening in Q2, okay? You mean a new book release you're saying? New Broken Realms book. Oh, okay. Broken Realms. So you're saying only one book in Q2, okay? Yep, yep, yep. Because just because of the necessity of how this has been pushed along, because otherwise they'd be back to back month to month and that's too fast. Yep. Right? If they put it in April, it back in a butt's March. If they push it to May, then they can't do the next one in June. That's like, that's the math I'm doing here, right? Right, right. Okay, so we'll get one Broken Realms book, okay? Yep. And if you wanna see what exactly we think Broken Realms book three is, we covered it all in the Broken Realms prediction show. But my feeling is Broken Realms three will be the slanesh focused one, okay? That's when I think that the slanesh escapes or the progeny, the protein form picks its shape, right? Or whatever, like that's when all of that comes to pass. I think they're buying time on the main storyline with Gordrack and all of that stuff happening and setting those pieces into motion and they come back to it in this. And that's where we get a pickup with slanesh and protein form and all of that. That'll be a nice pickup to add some additional stuff to the slanesh release that had come out a couple of months previous to that. They love that crap now, right? Putting out a narrative thing that supports something they just released because they know it's hype and people will wanna go pick it up. Yada, yada, yada, right? It's the same way they're doing like the Nurgle, they're doing the Death Guard Codex and then they're doing the Death Guard Storybook back to back in 40K, right? Yep, yep. So my thought is May. May is when we're getting new death faction, okay? Which will be a largely soul-blight vampire-driven release, okay? It is going to be, it will have a remake of like the Blood Knights, it will introduce some new vampire stuff as well as refreshing part of the line. I am exactly in your boat, Tom. Like putting on my realistic hat, I want there to be a Vamp Pirate sub-faction so bad, okay? And I hope there is. I really do. Like I think it would be fantastic to have a new Mortar of the Abyss and so on and so forth. But I think they'll probably use the opportunity to just give like a new exploration of soul-blight and not pigeonhole any of them so tightly into a particular aesthetic, right? I think they'll construe them more broadly. That's okay though. If we get a bunch of sweet new vampires, you know what you can do? Make your own vampire, it's really, it's super easy. It's very easy. It's not happening. It's very easy. If they don't do it, I'm not gonna make the army. You say that now, but I know you're a liar, Tom. Cause I know you love the classic vampire aesthetic too. And when we get a bunch of sweet new vampire bottles, you're gonna be like, all right, nevermind, don't get those two. Like you're gonna be back in either way. I know what it'll be. We'll see, we'll see. Indeed. So, yeah, there you go. That's my, that's my, that's my May prediction. I mean, so what do we have for April then? Do we have a release in April? No, that's my answer. I mean, there's an underworlds warband, right? There's underworlds warband four, five and six will still come out month to month, right? So, cause those are all pre-packaged stuff. They probably have most of the season already made and ready to go and they're just releasing it. So you're saying June then is Broken Realms book three. I'm saying they'll probably do the vampires and the Broken Realms in either. Yeah, the Broken Realms will either be May or June, but set apart, right? Like maybe they do the vampires in early May and the Broken Realms at the end of the month or something like that. Because I think the Slaanesh book, if that's what we have here is when the new Lumineth dropped. Okay. You're saying, wait, when are you predicting new Lumineth? In the Slaanesh book. I think that the expansion of Lumineth happened in response to the push of Slaanesh. Okay, okay. All right. And so my gut would be to say that we have vampires at end of April, beginning of May and then we have a new Lumineth end of May, beginning of June. And then that puts the Lumineth release one year after the initial stuff was sold. I like that. Which was the collector's edition box. Yeah, I was gonna put the expansion of Lumineth in Q3 like in the first month of Q3 in July because I completely agree with you. There is a Lumineth expansion coming. Okay. Yeah. Part two, not Tyrion. Techlion Nation's part two. Yes. Yeah, it's Techless going. Oh, I need more help. Yes. Like I need those sword masters that are in my underworld's war bands. Right. Don't we have one? They're showing up in stories, like in the short fiction. Right, like the, what was the old, the Dangler faction from AOS I, the Eldritch. Eldritch Council. Eldritch Council. He's like, hey, call those guys in the tower and get them down here. We need more help. And you're gonna get a bunch of sword masters for all like the new sword masters. Sure, sure. Bruno says why Lumineth and not Umbrineth? Cause I don't think Malarian's forces are coming anytime soon. I do not think you're gonna see Malarian stuff in like 2022. He's gonna let this play out. Malarian is the spring release of the following year. If, I'm serious, yeah, like 2022, yeah. Maybe, because again, like, so in the trajectory that Vince is painting, like I can already explain to you what's gonna happen. Like if we're only getting the third book by May, the Vince's proposal is going to be that AOS 3.0 is pushed back a year. Well, it's gonna be pushed back. We'll talk about exactly where, but yes. Yeah. And if they do that, the problem is is that because releases are tied to, because releases are tied to the narrative, and this is so closely tied, like the problem is is that if they push things back too far, they will literally lose just a year of releases. Correct. And I don't think that they can do that timing wise. So I agree Vince, I think that it's probably gonna push back the launch of AOS 3. Yeah. Which we'll cover in the future. We're gonna get into, and then we'll get into the next two quarters of the year, 100%. Right, right. Okay, so I like your idea. I think LRL part two, the obvious other sort of kits that are out there, I think it'd be great. I think those fit perfectly in a Broken Realms style release, right, where they put out, because you could do it with two new units, three new units, something like that. It's probably not many, right? It's a small amount of additional kits. Those could come out with Broken Realms. You're right, that put it about a year since the original box set release, right? So that'd be in June. So then we get our vampires in May, our LRL and Broken Realms in June. And I think April's pretty quiet. That's my thoughts. I mean, if it's true, it's really sad, but. Sure. I mean, I think a bunch of stuff is still going to get pushed. That is ultimately what I'm saying here. We're not even close to finishing the releases that were originally set to be in 2020. I mean, that's the reality of this. All this Linesh stuff originally, we talked to Getting Push from January. It was a pre-COVID planning. It was a late Q3 release, probably, in 2020. Like, we're four or five months off of plan right now. Yeah. Okay. That's a huge push of what's been pushed here. There's just, they're going to have to move stuff. Okay. That's the reality of the thing. Okay. Anything else you think happening in Q2? No. I mean, this is a realistic take, but I think that this is probably, I think we're going to be like, again, it's going to depend largely on what happens with COVID and with Brexit and with all of that other stuff. Sure. But I think that this estimate is probably accurate. Yeah. Like what I'm proposing is that, to really nail this home for everybody, let's really lay the initial plan. When they started 2020, because they know kind of, they certainly lay out their year's releases, right? Because their playtesters are working a year in advance and so on and so forth, right? Their book, the sculptors are three years in advance. The books are two years in advance and so on and so forth, right? There's this three-year cycle that's happening. And, undoubtedly at the start of the year, just like any business, by the way, you plan your releases. Like, in fact, they probably do it in Q3 or Q4 of the year previous. But when they were sitting down and looking at 2020, Solanesh was originally probably supposed to fall, you know, because they started spoiling it in March. They certainly originally thought they were gonna have it all out by, you know, Q3, right? So if it was originally September, which is where they like to put an AOS release, right? Like after the hype of 40K 9th edition, that would have been a big hype item to drop for AOS, right? Because they know this is a big deal. They got all these sexy new models, super cool, but a driven a lot of stuff. That means they pushed it October, November, December, January, now February. How many months into 2021 are we gonna get before we finish off what was supposed to be released in 2020? Right? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Because I suspect those Lubaneth were supposed to be sort of a final release of the year in November of 2020. Yeah. Okay, like I don't think there was supposed to be that kind of a distance between the initial Lubaneth and the second Lubaneth drop, right? Right. I think they were really intending to expand the army fairly quickly. Okay, cool beans, Q3, okay? So Q3, July through September, I have my little calendar just so we can all remind everybody. All right, so Q3, I'm just time stamping all this. Okay, Thomson, now we're into July. Hopefully they're, at this point, I've got to imagine their plans are like they're, in their mind, they're thinking, okay, we're mostly through this, right? Sure. Now, how do we recover, right? Like, how do we get back on track? They're hoping that by July, the vaccinations are widespread, trade stuffs worked out, right? Like, they're hoping to be on the other side of this. Notably, GW's fiscal period runs until the end of May. Like, they run a weird fiscal calendar, right? So it runs June through May, basically, right? Yep. So they traditionally like big releases in June, July. They want to kick off their first quarter like a big revenue driver, right? Yep. And so we just kind of plotted out there June for AOS. I think the big stuff pushing in June will still be a 40K thing. Cause I mean, they'll be doing at least a codex a month for 40K, along with all their new releases. Like there's, you know, there's probably a big work release for 40K comments and stuff like that. I think we'll see the next Warhammer quest drop. Okay. All right. So Q3, you're predicting like a new Warhammer quest. I'm going to go up there and say it. Like, and I think that it'll be an AOS based one. And it'll be something like the ruins of Excelsior. Is that the city? Excelsious. That's the Excelsious. The ruins of Excelsious or something like that. Ooh, that's neat. That's neat. Because we haven't seen anything from that product line in a long time. Sure, sure. And Blackstone Fortress was relatively successful and it's now run its course. It has, it has. And so I think, and that's a one-off. So that's something that's like, that's independent of the narrative largely. Like after they get that narrative developed, they can drop that and it's a different, it's a new product, like it's a new revenue source. Okay. Okay. And so I think that we will have something like that. Sure. Paul pointed out, could also be Anvil Guard Hark here on. Like that's a city with a lot of sewers and weird stuff going on underneath it. So you could also have that kind of thing. Yeah. Because the last one was Warhammer quest shadows over Hammer Hall. Right, where you were kind of underneath Hammer Hall and stuff like that. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So. I would actually, I like Paul's prediction, but I'd flip it around. I think it's gonna be the Anvil Guardians as the heroes and the like Dark Elves and Doc as the enemies. Like it'll be, it'll be this weird box that where you're fighting a lot of other order forces. And then they'll probably also be like Skaven and the sewers because there's always Skaven and the sewers everywhere. If there are sewers, then there are Skaven. Imagine this construction. The majority of the game is in the sewers. And so you're the Anvil Guard survivors fending off the new city inhabitants. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yes. In other words, the Anvil Guard, like that Anvil Guard partisans trying to go in and begin exploring how to retake the city. You're insurgents. Yes. Yes, exactly. I think that would be super cool. And it seems like a, it's a good setting. Like it's a really cool city. It's got a lot of interesting stuff you could do. It would set up like, it would be really neat to get a new, it would give me a chance to do just some weird one-off sculpts, right? Like they could have a new Dread Fleet or a new Fleet Master, like Black Ark or Fleet Master. Imagine the box value if they did like a Witch Elf set, like a Witch Elf sprue set a, because they could do the like Dark Shards. I think Dark Shards and Dark Spears, all those are on the same sprue. So they could do that and get a bunch of units out of that. And then like a Corsair sprue set and actually have like a large range of Dark Elf units that are fairly unified. Sure. Yep, yep, agreed. Other things we should hit here. I do think the General's Handbook will come in July this year. Last time obviously, last year we got it kind of in June, like right at the end of June for somewhat surprisingly, it just popped up out of nowhere. I think it'll be early July this year just because again, necessity. I think that book largely is just kind of running. And I think this year, like when it comes to the General's Handbook, I think the scenarios will stay mostly the same. I think there'll be some solo play rules officially codified in there. They'll just, you know, day late and a dollar short, but they'll have them in there. Now, imagine the types of changes that would have had to go into that book if they are six months behind on actual books. Like because they've sent, because they've sent that book to the printers already. Yeah, they're just about to. That's historically been the problem, right? That they have to send the book six months ahead of time. Yeah. Traditionally though, I'm pretty sure the GHB goes to the printers, like the file gets locked and goes to the printers, I think historically in early January, shows back up in March and then is distributed. I think that's the run of it. So imagine the types of, like given those delays, what books are not showing up in that, like the having to rework the actual shape of the General's Handbook. True. Absolutely. Insane. And that's why I think it'll be July, right? They've got it like, they've got their, they're currently trying to figure out like, okay, where are our release going to happen? What's the General's Handbook going to spoil? Yeah. In the same way, they just held the Warcry books still being released, even though clearly those were supposed to be happening after the Cilinesh release, right? That was then going to give you the, like we were not all supposed to be introduced to these new Cilinesh units through the Agents of Chaos book. That was not their big release plan. Okay. Right. Like there's your proof in the pudding that that was, that that was way off schedule. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So when, so then when do you think they're going to drop books for Broken Realms? All right. So our last one, we've put it in, we've put the previous one, book three, the Cilinesh focus book we've said, it's happening. I said End of May. No. Okay. And I, the reason why I pushed that was because it puts them still within like the last year. And I think that they're like, they're going to try to do it in order to bolster the prior year rather than their coming year. Because this last year has been when all of the, like when they've suffered significant losses. I mean, not really. If you, if you look at what they'll report, they will, they just had their best six months in their entire history. They will have the most profitable six months in company history, like doubling their previous best six months, not by a little, by a lot during this lockdown period. That's because Endominus was really good. Turns out, if you launch a new edition of 40K and you make like one of the most killer box sets in history, you will sell a lot of them. Like a lot. Like so many. Okay. So yes, despite all of this, they've had like the best six months in company history. People haven't been playing games. That don't mean people ain't buying things. Sure. That is not a one to one relationship. Which is why honestly, I think they'll, they would push it to the next year. Because I think they're worried about their next year. I think they're like, well, we're pretty good on this one. Okay. Okay. So like putting it in early June for me, like if you're the book and box games department, you're like, geez, we've got a real, we've got some real hard numbers to hit in our 2021 fiscal calendar year. I'm gonna shove every, and if putting this book two weeks ahead means that I get to count it completely for 2021, I'm doing that. That's a good call. That's a good call. So then maybe it is early June that the book three drops with the associated models, Lumina. Yeah. That's why I think it's June. Cause I think that's the strongest sort of mini start they'd have. I mean, traditionally they don't, despite the fact that June is their new fiscal year, they don't, it's usually the end of June or July when the really big things hit, right? They want everybody out of school. They want everybody on summer. They, you know what I mean? That kind of thing where people are out looking at stuff ready to buy. Okay. So then when is book four? August? Yeah. Yeah, correct. So July, August, September. So book four is August. And here's where we get to the problem, Tom. Okay. Because I have no doubt that originally, in their original conception at the start of 2020, they said, okay, AOS three is gonna be, you know, July 2020. I have no doubt that was the original plan. Yep. Okay. I cannot imagine how that still fits into the plan now with broken realms and the delays. Okay. I just, I cannot, they'd have to hustle those books out month after month. We would just be like inundated with broken realms books where I'd be like June, July, August, and now it's time. And then all of a sudden AOS three, right? How many do you think we're getting? Well, I originally said, I think there's number six. Okay. If that's true, then they're really in a tight spot. I hope for their sake, it was only five. I still think it's five. Five was what I had predicted. Yeah. And I still stand by that number. I think that it's five. And I think you could get, hypothetically, a, like depending on how big the push was, you could go June, July, August, launch a new edition in September. Sure. If they really wanted to like push it crazy, which is what, this is what I'm saying. I wonder if they don't break their like the, if this doesn't end up in this really weird thing where we have a long time in between the first couple of books and then it's just like bang, bang, bang. Right? Right. Because here's the problem. So I was thinking about how do you wanna structure this if you're GW? Okay. Let's talk about AOS three. Does it happen in Q three or Q four or does it delay a year? Okay. Here's my ultimate answer. They don't delay it a whole year. Right. I don't think they can. Right. I don't think they can. Right. It's way too big of a shift. Right? Yep. But it's also not their big, it's not their big money maker. No. It's not 40K. It's not 40K new addition. If they need to push this into an off quarter, they can without devastating the product. So if I'm them, here's what I look at. I go, okay. All right. We've got this, we know we need to release AOS 3.0 in 2020. And we've got this killer new box that we're gonna do with Stormcast and Skaven. Okay. Yep. So, if I'm them, I'm going to hype that, like knowing that I now have all this broken realm nonsense. And as somebody pointed out, this did happen with psychic awakening, by the way. This whole thing that we're describing of like bang, bang, bang, shoving out all the books and hurrying to get them out. And then they're like crunched right up against ninth edition and it really sucked for the end of it. I think they know that and that burned them. Okay. Yep. I'm not sure they really wanna repeat that. Okay. Okay. Yep. So, that's why ultimately I think AOS 3.0 moves into Q4, but right in the early part. It's an October release. So, I'll talk about it in a minute, but I'll talk about why. Sure. And I think we go June is book three, okay. July is book four, and then the end of August is book five. Okay. And then in September. And then beginning of October. And then in September is when we start hyping for the October release. Yep. And they turn the big AOS 3.0 launch box into a Christmas sort of box, right? Like a get, this is like a holiday thing, right? Like we're gonna move it in sales quarters to that and try to really feed Christmas and they'll feed it with their normal battle boxes as well, right? And they'll tie all that in where it's like, start AOS 3.0 off, right? With these new hype battle boxes, right? And so they'll be the launch box and then all of the battle boxes. I don't wanna jump all the way into Q4, but these are kind of related, yeah? Right, right, right. Yeah. So, that's just the time where it makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna go back. I'm not, yeah, absolutely. Yes. That's why I didn't wanna get all the way into like Q4, right? So, my predictions for Q3. Let's start lockin' in the stuff. I love your Warhammer Quest prediction. I hope that's true. I think that would be twight if we came back to AOS with a Warhammer Quest-like product. And again, the book and box games, people are always looking for new stuff like that. I do think there'll be a kill team re-launch at some point, like a kill team 2.0 sometime this year. That's not AOS related, but they've gotta fit that in somewhere also. So, they could always just do the kill team thing as the summer release, right? Because kill team is very popular, okay? And then they could push the AOS 3 as the Christmas thing. Does that make sense? Yep. Okay, so, Warhammer Quest, the Broken Realms expansion, right? In July and late August. Yep. Book four and book five. I mean, why do they want 3.0? Because they feel the need to put out a big product like that. We can talk about what we think AOS 3.0 will be when we get there. I think also the reality is, because they can then include a launch box that drives their sales through the roof. Well, the reason why 3.0 has to happen and why they can't draw this out a year is because all narrative and all releases have been tied to the narrative shift in 3.0. Sure. All of it. And so, they can't rewrite all of these books. Sure. That's why it has to release. To me, it just feels like, to me it feels like a pretty much a mathematical necessity. Here's the, because what they're up against, if you're that department, you have sales goals every year, right? And you're staring down a 2021 where you have to try to make up the sales numbers you hit in the year with the 9th edition re-release. And if you think shareholders or the executives give a flying crap that 9th edition was released last year and you don't have a similar big product, killer product like that for this year, you're wrong. They don't. They don't care for even a hot minute. What did you do last year? You better do better than that this year. That is every company I've ever worked for ever. That is how capitalism works. I don't care what cool thing we did last year. I don't care what you launched. You better figure out a way to do bigger and better than that this year. I'm not looking for the same. I'm looking for growth, period. Full stop end of discussion. So figure it out, okay? Yeah. Like this isn't just, we're not doing this as a hobby. Very multinational, many hundreds of million pound company with it is publicly traded on the footsie. They are one of the most successful companies in the UK, okay? Like, you know, this isn't the kind of thing where they can just be like, we'll have it off here. No, that's not how it works, right? So I mean, I think that AOS is just their play. I think the way that they do 40K and ramp on, like if I'm booking, if I'm booking box or whoever and I'm looking at my 40K stuff, that's why I'm doing one new battle tome every month. That's why I'm doing a whole new refresh of Death Guard and a whole new thing with your car and launching a whole new work line, like- That's where all your money's at. Yeah, last year it was, you know, last year I had a slug coming out of the shotgun. This year for 40K, I'm using pellets, right? I'm using shot, right? Right, yep. Okay. So at any rate, the, thank you, IT. I appreciate very much you getting my quote there, yes. Absolutely correct. So at any rate, the, and I don't want this to evolve into an economics discussion, that's not the point. I'm just saying like, that is a hard reality of just the way companies operate. Like love it or hate it, it's reality. So let's talk about what armies we're seeing here in this point, okay? What's, what are our Q3 armies, Tom? Here we go, now is the time. Tom, here is my first prediction, you ready? Yeah. Order of Aesir, this is where we get the witch hunters. We got the vampires, this is where they come in. We're getting into a human faction. We're bringing back witch hunters. We're bringing back, we'd like, yeah, probably, I don't know, they'll just fold in Fletchens. I don't think they'll make a new kit, but I could be wrong. I mean, it's still a great kit. No, I, like, again, I think they get folded in. I don't think they make a new kit. Yeah, yeah. They'll do some kind of new cool, Palanquin war altar thing. Yep. Okay. I think that's what Vampire Hunter guy is down here. This is the Church of Sigmar. Yeah. Yep. And I think that's rolling out. Like, it's time for faith and fury in the mortal realms, right? Silver rapiers, you know. This is where the Church of Sigmar come in. Oh, 100%. We could resurrect that concept. Yes. You know, like, there's so much to do with that idea. And we've got little hints of these models, like the rumor engines that are on screen now. Yeah. You know, you have the adaptive Sororitas and suddenly they're like, well, that was really successful. I wonder. Wow, we sold a lot of that. We did. We did. And so maybe we could bring back something similar in AOS. Yeah. I mean, can you imagine what a re... Well, like a redone world or looks like in this world? Yeah. Okay. Especially after we saw the Sisters of Battle one. Like the Relic one, like the Relic... Yeah, yeah. The Triumph of Saint Catherine, whatever. Yeah. The Triumph of Saint Catherine, blah, blah. Yeah. Imagine something like that for a sister, for, you know, like the Devoted of Sigmar. The Order of Aesir. Yup. It would just be stunning. Slam dunk, Aruni. By the way, there are pictures I didn't pull. There's actually quite a few rumor engines of what looks like normal human dudes. Okay. Like there's quite a few rumor engines of like dudes with rapiers or knives or like, just look like human dudes. Okay. Yup. I didn't pull all those rumor engines cause I couldn't fit them all on here, right on my little collage that I made. But there's actually quite a lot of like, evidence of that in the rumor engines. Sure. Sure. Of different like guys with, you know, human looking arms or legs and just like leather boots and rapier with basket hilts and all the stuff I would expect to see in a kind of order of Aesir human release. Right? Yup. And I would also point out that like three years ago or three years ago when I asked them point blank about a human army, they said it's something we're trying to work out right now. So just saying. Sejal says, how good, bad is the flagellant kit? Awesome. I mean, I think it's still in the old box but it's an awesome kit. Like it really is. The, it's definitely an old style kit where you've got like torso, arms, heads type of thing. Right? But it comes with so many cool bits. It's really versatile. The flagellants themselves are really dynamic. Yeah. I mean, could they do a new one? Sure. I don't think they, but I don't think they have to is my point. Like if they were just like, and also flagellants. I think that, that, I mean, that dream is like, it's too good to come true. Like I've been predicting an order of Aesir army for like two years or three years. Like, do you really think that it's coming? Yes. Oh, I would love that. Like, now you have my attention. Look, when you sculpt vampires, the next thing you sculpt, if you're the sculptor, okay? Cause remember, everything's model driven. Let's put ourselves in the minds of the sculptors. Not sculptors, not sculptors. If you're doing art and art concepts. Sure. Cause I mean, the sculptors work with the other concept artists. It goes back and forth, right? So you're the model studio. You're right. And if you draw vampires, you're drawing vampire hunts. You just, you wake up from a fugue state a few hours later and you've drawn a witch hunter into the same picture. You don't even know what happened. Like, well, how did that get on this? On the canvas, right? You're just modeling in Z-CAD and then you're just like, yep, vampire, vampire, another vampire. Oh, what? Oh my God. Guy with a rapier and a pistol. What happened there? Like it just happens. Okay. It's true. It's true. So the, that to me just seems like the ultimate slam dunk because how long must they endure people saying, I want a new human faction? Like they cannot be deaf. These people have ears. These sculptors existed the community. They know what people are saying, right? They have to be aware that this is a thing. And like again, this down here, this little rumor engine down here combined with some of the other, this combo, this wombo combo here combined with the other stuff that's in those rumor engines. Just tells me it's what's happening. So do you, but does this drop before the new book? Like, does this drop before the new edition? The Order of Aesir army? Does this drop before the new, yes. Yes, I think it does. Yeah. How does that fit into the narrative? Because you've got a lot of tummels in exactly what Manzac just said, right? Like if the gates of Excelsior being attacked in Gordrak and Aesir is under pressure, okay? Then you're going to have pressure for Aesir to change for the first time in ever, literally in its entire history, right? And especially if you have some amount of like, let's say the walls are weakened, like there's not open warfare, but there's like infiltration of dark forces into Aesir in some degree or another, then that's when you get out the witch hunters. Like that's when the Order of Aesir would roll out. It's an easy one to punch, right? On the back of like, Gordrak begins to open the door, book four things start to get in. Okay, time for the order of Aesir to roll out. Well, and that's why I asked like, is this not the response to the Skaven showing up in Aesir? No, because I mean like, ultimately this is about killing undead in chaos. I mean, yes, I understand Skaven or chaos. I'm saying the broader penoply of chaos, right? Sure. They're not just rat hunters. This isn't like Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay third edition where you can start as a rat catcher, whatever, you know? Sure, sure. Okay, so this drops then you're saying in early August? Yeah, like July or August, sure. But like, there's a lot probably already in July, so probably early August, something like that, but it could be around there, right? Okay. And to me, this is just such a slam dunk of a force. It leads perfectly. It's like it fits the narrative. It fits something people have always wanted. It would be the hypest hype that is ever hyped to hype, right? They could introduce, they could go nuts with the aesthetic on this, right? Yes, exactly. Like Marathi annexing a city, right? Like Marathi got ahold of Anvil Guard with relatively little resistance. Okay, Sigmar's like, all right, enough of this crap. Not enough of my agents have been on the ground in these cities watching things, right? So go forth, my people, you know? I've got soldiers out there, but soldiers are good for wars, not for espionage. Right, right. I need people beating the street, hunting some vampires and shooting chaos in the face. Correct, yeah. So I completely agree with Kairos's point there. It just fits. Okay, okay. Now, how walk through the logic of this with me though, because if you're gonna do this and you're gonna propose like a new stormcast book, dropping with the new edition. Yep, yep, yep, yep. They're coming in a minute. So you have an order of Azier book literally kissing up against a new stormcast book. Yeah, a hundred percent, that's fine. Because they're gonna be two very different armies. I hear that. I'm gonna push back and say, I think that the new stormcast book is gonna include this human contingent of the church. Okay, I don't think so because that book is already too big. Okay, and that's fine. That's fine. Like they have too many scrolls and it's too big of an army. The order of Azier will have like the one in four rule that all the cities have like for stormcast. Easy. Okay, yeah, maybe. So, maybe. Okay, so we've got the, so, and then the question is, do you have another army release or update or new book? And yes, I argue you do in this Q3 period. Okay? I think you have a new book, not a new army. I think you get a new book. And who gets the new book? And I think it ties into what they'll do with, what else is going on in Broken Realms, okay? And in either book four or five, somewhere in those last two books, we're going to get into a L'Oreal story and we're gonna get new Sylvaneth stuff, okay? Okay. I think Sylvaneth, they will fix through Broken Realms. Okay? Get a new version of a L'Oreal, like probably book four will be the L'Oreal focused book, I would guess, but I don't know. Cause I think AOS five, I think the fifth book will really be setting up AOS three hardcore, right? That's what they want to do. Yep. In the same way that the Final Psychic Awakening like set up the ninth edition of Necrons and stuff like that. Let me jump in. Current asked, you know, will they go the route of the space marines for stormcasts as, you know, and basically releasing chapter books? I think so actually. I think that the 3.0 is when they begin to explore, like we'll get a Hammers of Sigmar book. I think that that's the direction we go. Maybe, maybe, if you're talking 2022, sure. Like outside the scope of this set of predictions, sure. No, like, but so if they, but here's what I'm saying. If they release a new stormcast in 3.0, I don't think we get a generic stormcast book. I think we get a Hammers of Sigmar. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the model they've established with 40K. There is a generic space, that's Tom. They don't want to sell you one book. They want to sell you two books, Tom. You have a generic space marine book. And then you get. I didn't realize that. Yeah, yeah. That's the problem. I know you don't, it's all good. You have a generic space marine book, exactly. And then you get your Blood Angel supplement, your Death Guard supplement, or Death Guard's wrong example, sorry. Your Death Watch, there you go. Those are good guys. Your Death Watch supplement, I had to think of the good guy names. Okay, and so on and so forth. So if you're, so every stormcast, or sorry, every space marine player buys the base book and then they chop up the space marine players into, you know, the groupings. And then if you have any interest in that, you buy the second book. That's why I think you're not wrong, but it would be a 2022 thing because they've got to figure out, because when we get to AOS III and I'll talk about my predictions around that, I'll talk about how they're not gonna, we're not going back on the battle tone treadmill. Okay. So here's my other thing. When you get a Laurel, who follows right behind a Laurel? Like when you have a Laurel in Guy Rann, who is her Nemesisus? Nurgle. Correct, boom, new Nurgle book. Q3 is when we get our new Nurgle book. It will, it will at that point, it still is right now. Actually, as of today, it is the oldest original AOS II book. It has a lot of stuff out of whack. It actually legitimately needs a rewrite, okay? Yep, yep. You're not gonna fix it just through broken realms. They fix Sylvaneth through broken realms. Nurgle gets the new book. Yep, there you go. Yeah, I can see that. And Nurgle doesn't need new models. Correct. I mean, they could do a couple of one-off things, but they just don't need it. Yeah, I can see that. Yep, exactly, like does it release with, do they, like at that time, I would expect like a dual box to come out? Where is the box? Well, what do we call it? We call that box, hold on. Hold on, we're gonna name the box because along with the Nurgle thing, what's going to come out is a dual box. Okay? Yep. And it will be Sylvaneth versus Nurgle. What is that dual box called? Okay. Is it called? All right. Like, you know how they name these? They love like alliterative titles or things that are sort of this kind of stuff. The funny name would be life against life. Life and life, but it's not that, okay? Plants and pus would also be a fun one. I like that one. That's a good one, but that's not what it's gonna be. Okay. Trees and disease, that's a fun one. My love, Paul says plague and pines. I like that one. Gloom and bloom. I was gonna go like something like. And bloom. Holy Moses. Let's see what we got here. These are some solid ones. Growth and decay, creation and corruption, sickness and sycamores. Plants versus zombies. Guys, this is solid stuff you're all putting out here. I want that to be known. You could do something like flowers versus speculants. I really like, I think creation and corruption nailed it. I honestly think John Chaves got it. Creation and corruption. Yep. That is what this is. Like, tell me that doesn't sound like one of their boxes. Creation and corruption, it super does. John Chaves, if it ends up being, if I'm right about this box and that's the name, you better break your arm padding yourself on the back because you've nailed it. Yes. Although flourish and fester, like I can go with that. It's a good one, absolutely. It's good. That, you know, like it just, it doesn't roll quite as well, but it's good. It's solid. It has that nice alliteration that they enjoy. Yeah. Oh, Rotten. Rottenly roll. That's a good one. Yeah. So the point is, yes. Nurgle, like we know these things will tend to have some kind of product release with them. So how do we do the allarial book where we're fixing Sylvaneth and we have Nurgle? We're gonna get the, well, the Nurgle book release with it, along with the dual box, that all comes in September. There you go. Or August, somewhere in there. Wherever your book four happens. It'll come with book one whenever that happens. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't want to get to specific months. The whole idea was to do this by quarters. So in Q3 is when you will get book four and five of Broken Realms. And in that book, you'll get a Nurgle. On Allarial and Sylvaneth, you'll get the dual box that is Sylvaneth versus Nurgle. That's where you'll get add new Nurgle hero, right? And add new Sylvaneth sculpt. Yep. And there you go. Thanks for that. This one will probably be like a named spite revenant, by the way. Like a spite revenant Lord. Cause last time we got the tree revenant Lord, the arch revenant, right? Yep. This one will be like the, oh gosh, I don't know. They're just called spite revenants, the malice revenant. That'll be the, yeah, the malice revenant will be the Sylvaneth one. And... I know exactly what the Nurgle one will be. It'll be an updated Festus model. Oh, there you go. Yep. Sure, sure. Yes, Festus right now is fine gas. Sure. Okay. So yeah, so that, and I agree with that. I think that Nurgle is the right call on that. It needs an updated book. Where did Doc fit? Oh, that's true. Doc is gonna get a new book at some point. Oh yeah. I think Doc drops in March. Wow. No, maybe that's the, so we're gonna back up here cause you're right. That's right. I completely spaced that there's a Doc book just waiting to happen, which again, probably should have come out this year. Right. That's the only thing in April cause that was a blank month. Oh, it was a blank month. You're right. So yeah, so, yeah, because March was book two in April, we didn't have anything. So then Doc drops in April. Correct. To tie everything together. And then they've effectively covered all of the non-AOS two books, right? If you get the Nurgle book in Q3, if you get the new Soul Blight Vampires Legion of Nagash killer, right? Yeah. In May, okay? IDK came in Broken Realms one and you get the new Doc book in April, boom. We've basically cleared those four old books out as far as being like out of whack. Yeah, used to, yeah. Yep. Okay, I could see it. And now we're up to current and when we get to current, Tom, that means there's only one thing to do and that's hit that pop-a-matic bubble that opens up the new chambers, baby. So that brings us to AOS 3.0 and Q4. Yep. I think AOS 3.0 will be basically a, so Q4, hold on, I gotta write down my new, I gotta write down my new timestamp. Yep. All right, Q4. So let's go back to our calendar. I assume we all know what Q4 means. I don't think I need to explain this to people, but I'll bring back up the calendar just in case. There we go. So October through December, that's our Q4, okay? Yep. So all predictions here are happening the last time of the year. We should note that basically they don't release anything of what they think is going to be high value in December, yeah. Right, okay. Okay, Q4. We kick off Q4 with the big AOS 3.0 release. Yep. And in this release, we... You think it's gonna focus on Stormcast and Skaven? You've already stated that. I did state that, that is correct. I think 5.0 will set up a big Skaven move and I think that'll launch the new Skaven line. I think that Skaven will be the... Necron. The necrons of our relaunch. Yes, correct. Yeah. That's right. I could see that. Yep. I could see that. Yeah, and I don't disagree with that. I think that's just full fault. For those of you who say, well, it should be destruction because we did chaos the first time and death the second time, so now it's destruction. Sure, that's a reasonable argument, but GW often doesn't feel the need to fill boxes. And Skaven is basically destruction anyways. Sure. And the other problem is they have to launch AOS 3.0 on the back of a box that they can put a bunch of new exciting sculpts into. Right. Okay. And there's not a destruction line that they can do that with. And exactly what destruction line needs that level of a revamp right now? Maybe gets, but I just don't think so. I mean, it's not a huge thing. The only argument I could see would be ogres. Okay. Yeah, and that's not gonna fill boxes. Yeah, exactly. Like it's not suns, I don't, right? Like, okay, they're straight out. Right? Like we obviously know it's not suns. It's not gets because they just did a whole redesign of that line and have done tons of white war particles on them. They're clearly not getting touched anytime soon. Okay. Right, right. War clans are mostly newer slash pseudo plastic sculpts or plastic sculpts, right, for the most part. Yeah. Whether you're talking about the bone split aside. I mean, yes, there's a few old characters in there, no doubt, but a lot of the bone splitters guys are new enough. The iron jaws are obviously still like, there is no need for them to touch any of those. And there's not, and they're not just gonna do an expansion box, right? Like if they wanna do this it's not just gonna contain like, you know, two awesome things. Like they wanna launch with something big, right? Right, right. In a remade scaven line is the right thing. A remade scaven line is the one that makes sense because like the problem is there's no home and destruction. I get it everybody. I get that we all want destruction to have some focus, but like, I just don't get it. That's not the story that's being told. Yeah. And I just don't think there's space in the line like it to do it. Now, hey, look, I could be wrong, but it could be wrong. And if they, you know, end up doing like, have destruction come into focus in some way in ways I'm not seeing, cool. Great. Like that sounds fun. But my personal feeling is- Because what you need to understand they're not gonna gamble this release. No, it has to be something they know will move units. And Stormcast does that. And scaven, a redesigned scaven, okay. Right. Would simply fit the bill. It's a big army. They can add new stuff to it. They can go crazy between new stuff and re-sculpts, right? Yep. And it would look like would they necessarily re-sculpt every single thing in the line? Probably not for AOS. Like when they- Storm being not anywhere. Right, exactly. When they did necrons, they re-sculpted everything except the croissant, okay. I don't think we'll get that kind of treatment. Right, I mean it's just, we gotta be realistic about where we sit and then the pecking. Doom wheels aren't gonna go anywhere. Like, there's a bunch of wonderful plastic kits out there. Sure. Yeah, exactly. A lot of kits. Well, Doom wheels actually quite old. It's still in a red box for sure. But the point being that there are a lot of kits that are very serviceable. And are very good sculpts. There are also a lot of kits that need a lot of work. Yep. So to me, this is how you launch AOS 3.0. And you go from there. The Escaven versus, by the way, the Chamber is the Ruination Chamber. And the reason I say we go for Ruination is, I don't know what Ruination is, but I know what it sounds like. And it sounds like we're going to big time war. And this is called Broken Realms. And another word for broken would be ruined. And if this is all going down and cities are being taken by Sigmar's own enemies, then it's time to unleash the people who don't take prisoners, who don't have mercy, who are just like the destruction, right? Like, if this is what it is, if we want total war, then all unleash the Chamber that brings total war. And if, and if- And that would be a nice counter to Order of Azir, right? Where Order of Azir's in there doing like finesse work. These guys are in there just bombing grid squares. Oh, sure. And that's what you do when you have an Impestation of Rats. Yeah, you just start laying down, you just start bombing, right? Just like carpet bombing, right? Like, that's the, that becomes the strategy, okay? And Skaven has a bunch of siege stuff. So like, if anybody could go to war in mass scale, like Skaven are one of those, even though that's a very weird thought, they're not sneaky, they're also like the only army with siege left. Right, correct. Not the only one, obviously. I understand, amongst the Chaos Horses, amongst the Chaos Horses, they're the only true sieging force. Right. Like, as you saw by the by, when Chaos attempted to siege Catacross's, you know, fortress that he had taken over, one of the eight point castles, and they just died. It was just like pathetic. It was a pathetic attempt. They didn't even get close. Right. Because they just, they have no siege. They just have dudes, just lots of dudes. So do we get Stormcast tanks? Stormcast versions of siege siege tanks? One, I wish. That would be my greatest thing. I watch Stormcast tanks so bad, not a joke. I don't want them ironically. I want tanks. I want full on lightning powered floating tanks. Yes. Am I joking? No. Do they ride on a cloud? No, they just have lightning underneath them, like lightning arcs. Well, that's what I'm saying, like they hover. So it's a cloud. It's a lightning rail for me, man, but it's tank. It's it's it's it's all it is. Okay. Sure. Do I want a lightning hover tank with a massive lightning cannon on the front piloted by Stormcast of the Ruination Chamber? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. You bet. Okay. I want Thundercats hoe. All right. There were dudes in the Thundercats who used swords and nunchucks. And that guy who used nunchucks also drove a tank and it was amazing. Okay. So you can have it with the same world, the same guy who drives tanks around thought that the weapon of choice was nunchucks. I'm just saying you can make it work. Okay. Now, do I think we'll actually get that? I don't think they're brave enough. I don't think they're bold enough. Okay. Listen to me. Hey, GW sculptors. I don't think you've got the guts to make these lightning powered Stormcast tanks I'm talking about. Prove me wrong. Okay. I'll eat pro 100%. Now, what do I think we'll get? Dreadnaughts. Like Dreadnaughts. Super Stormcast. Super Stormcast. No, Dreadnaughts. Legitimately Dreadnaughts. Like lightning guys Dreadnaughts. That actually I think fits perfectly in the narrative. That's not a stretch. Like because, okay, with the Sacrissack Chamber largely out on the field and geists, like the soul geists not being restored as efficiently and effectively as they could be and soul degradation happening. By the time of AOS 3.0, you'll have the reality that probably some Stormcast souls will just degrade too far to be saved. Okay. Like they cannot be human ish to be human ish again. So, great stick them in a big golem. We need to stick them somewhere, put them in a tank. No, we're not wasting them. Like they're still heroes. They've died thousands of times for the cause, right at this point. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about, you know, the Stormcast that have been out there and have literally died thousands of times. Right. And they're just basically just living war machines now. Right. They're just fueled by rage and stuff like that. Again, fitting well into ruination. Rage powered lightning engines of destruction, right? Marching forth out of Aesir, like the strike happens and these like big golems turn around and just like grip a massive hammer. Tell me you can't see this thing. It wouldn't have guns. Like it's not that kind of thing, right? But tell me you can't see this thing just like looking up and like having the big death mask but dreadnought size and then its hands gripped around this huge hammer, right? That it just like steps forward on these lumbering feet with an engine in the middle of its torso as lightning arcs out and it just starts crushing entire enemy formations. Yeah. So would you do the dual piece between that and the son of Bahamut? I mean, that sounds amazing. Oh, sorry, Josh Aesir, sorry. What is a dreadnought? Is this a ubiquitous descriptor? Sure, sorry. So a dreadnought is a 40K thing when space marines like get really bad and nearly die or something but they like to save them sometimes they're whatever. Gene seed or something, some part of them, their brain, their code, I don't really know. It's like a coffin thing they stick space marines in. I don't know detailed enough but I know it's where you put basically nearly dead marines where they can just kind of continue fighting forever and they're just kind of catalyzed. They cyborgish them into larger robot bodies. I, Vincy said it's a coffin and a Gundam. Yep, sounds right to me. Nailed it. There you go. So yeah. Oh, Protoss Dragoon, that's a neat one, yeah. That's a good way to put it. So I think that sounds freaking amazing and it would also give Stormcast some bigger models, right? Which is fun, yeah. So that feels like the thing they would do to me. Do I think they would do that? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I think they'd do that. Like let's go to 11, baby. Let's do it. And then I think that's kind of the big release. Like we're not gonna get any other armies in Q4, okay? But then we'll get, I don't know what the next dual box will be, but there'd be some kind of dual box in November. I mean, but you're gonna get two full armies. You're gonna get a bunch of releases. You're gonna get new books for Skaven and Stormcast. You're gonna get a new Skaven book. You'll get a new Stormcast book. That'll fill up, that'll fill up October, November. I think they'll do some kind of new dual box in November probably just cause they like putting those out along with maybe battle boxes. Yeah, like your big dual box will be the base starter for AOS 3. Like, and that'll be the big push. I don't even think there's gonna be another dual box. I think that you will get that starter box printed to Quintillion, you know? I think that will be the trajectory, let me say that. And I think you will get a bunch of battle force boxes going into the holiday. I'm just saying Stormcast, Gollum, not or whatever with Lighting Thing against newly re-sculpted Skaven monstrosities. You know, feels like a real winner of a box, of a lunch box. Yeah, you know, that feels like a winner. So... A new help, man. You throw in some Stormfiends in there. Maybe some, what are your heavily armored rats? Oh, Stormverman, is that what you're talking about? Yep, throw in some Stormverman, throw in some Skaven slugs. Sure, I mean, things like Stormverman are a good sculpt, but that's the kind of thing that's just asking for a re-sculpt because Stormverman are this. Yeah, it's the old style, you know, sculpt where they're just literally all identical little copies of each other and stuff like that, all standing in the same pose other than, you know, the three guys out front or whatever who happen to have, you know, the champion musician and the standard bearer, they're all very much the exact same model. Now, that being said, I, if we're gonna do a whole Skaven relaunch, please for the love of all things, holy, give us the new Eschen line. Oh, okay. Like, that's all I ask more than anything and or some new molder stuff. Like, those two feel like the most rich veins to explore, but again, so much of the Skaven line is really ancient and out of date, like badly out of date, okay? Basically anything that isn't end times, so the Storm fiends and the vermin lords and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff is really old. Your weapon teams are mostly in fine caster metal. They're ancient. Your rat ogres are metal. You're, cause you lost all the island of blood plastics. Your clan rats are a plastic. But there was no plastics. There were still, there was a plastics box of rat ogres. That was rat ogres and trainers. That's not what they sell. If you go buy rat ogres right now, you get the metal box. That is the current rat ogre for sale. There is no plastic rat ogre box. Oh, weird. The, they had a plastic box. Like I know they did because it was on my shelf, like at one of my local stores. I don't know what you're telling me. That's weird. But anyways. Yes, you've got like, and acolytes, and like, you're collecting, like all the stuff that content that's in your shirt collecting. It's fine to keep. You're screaming about, well, maybe not because plague monks, again, pretty old clan rats. Clan rats are 20 years old now. Yeah, but age doesn't mean anything. We talked about this with cities of Sigmar. Like age doesn't mean anything. I get that. I'm just saying they resculpted plastic necron warriors. Sure, sure. Okay. It's not like everything in necron was in metal or fine cast. There was plastic stuff they resculpted. That monolith was a big plastic thing. That wasn't a metal, you know what I mean? Thing. Sure, yeah. Sure. I mean, just my point is there's so much of this line that's ancient. Gisail is in all of our teams. And it's so big. It's such a large, well, the line is itself, it's just massive. Like it's Stormcast-esque in its size. And what I'm saying is they could keep so much of their plastics, as is. And just re-sculpt everything that's not that and have a way full line already. Yes, sure. And, you know, so like, well, I mean, if they just did a re-sculpt, by the way, Ian said, I've painted up 80 plague monks. Please don't shift them. Look, man, 80 plague monks, those are rookie numbers. Ian, number one, you've got to pump those numbers up. Okay, that's, let me just start there. 80, 80 is nothing in Skavenland. I have 150 clan rats. That's just clan rats. Let's start there. So it's not like I'm sitting here going, boy, I really hope they remake clan rats. I'm saying what I think they'll do. But the best part is like, who cares? If they make new plague monks, if you've got 80 painted plague monks and plague monks are good, in the new edition, you're rock and roll, brother. You don't need to buy new, new plague monks. Use the ones you got. That's fine. It's fine. And so like, I agree that like, it's not that the storm vermin or the clan rats look bad. I didn't think the original necron warriors looked bad. I didn't think multiple of the necron things that they re-sculpted looked bad. Okay. It's not just about that. It's about like them doing, it's about them doing. A line refresh. Correct. And now that said, I hear that. But the Skaven line is so much larger than the necron line. It is. Well, yeah, I mean, now they might, I think now they're actually about the same size as far as scrolls go. Post this launch. I think they're about the same size. Are they really? Because like, I mean Skaven has what, 30 scrolls? 35? No, it's more than that. It's more than that. The necron book has 50 X scrolls in it. I don't remember how many. Oh, wow. Wow. I mean, dude, do you know how many scrolls are in the base space brain book? It's like 98 or data sheets, I'm sorry. Yeah, that army's too big. I mean, Stormcaster nowhere near that. We got, that's what I'm saying. Like we got a while to go before we get that bad. Okay. Sure, sure. So at any rate, okay. So have we now, like is that the entire year? Are we happy with that as a year? I mean, that's what I think, I think something like what we've just described is what the year will be. You're going to get the four more of the Broken Realms books with, and I think that we could get releases with each of those books. Let me just say that. Like I think you could see start collecting esk boxes, limited release model stuff with each book. I think it's very, very possible. Oh, by the way, let me correct myself. I'm very sorry, Tom. The current rat ogres are plastics. The geolusk, correct. But they're the old pre-island of blood plastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're really bad, bad, bad plastics. They were not plastic. Even in the art, literally the gaps on them are a mile wide on the ones that they did. Like, good Lord, those are terrible. Like, Jesus. At any rate, yes, but they are plastic. I'm sorry. It's the one with like two rat ogres, two pack masters, the giant rats. And those are plastic, I'm sorry. Yep, yep. There you go. Yep. Okay. So I was thinking those were still metal, but they're not. Have we sketched out the full year? Is there any other new army you think would fit somewhere? Anything else you think? Is there, let's do a quarter independent rigged ding ding, let's predict a crazy thing. Prediction. Okay. Tell me if you saw a wacky left turn, what is the crazy new unexpected left turn thing? I mean, we've already talked, like we've got new forces here. Largely new soul blight. That would be reintroduction of legions, but still mostly new thing. Order of Aesir, that'd be your big flash in the pan new army for the year, right? And then you're scavenging your storm cast. But if some left turn was gonna happen, what is it? What do you think? You got any crazy left turn thoughts? All right, hit me. Sure. In one of the broken realms books, okay, we'll get a unified dwarf army. Okay. We've got in the most recent KO book, there is an illusion to Grungy unifying the clans. This is the best way to say it. And like they got it, they had a name for it. I forget what it exactly it is. But I think that we could see a unified Har-Karan style army in a broken realms book. And sure, there could be a start collecting with like a gun hauler, some Volkite berserkers and some iron flakes or something crazy. Okay. I think that that's a left field, hard, weird thing. Now, obviously it's not an entirely new book, but any type of weird addition we get isn't gonna be a new book. Sure. So here's my weird prediction. I would have originally absolutely put this in 2021, but it might have gotten pushed into 2022, given everything else moving, but we'll see. Here's my left turn prediction. Yep. Kernothi, okay. A full Kernothi army. I don't think we're still gonna get a new, like the Sylvan Ethel get fixed through broken realms, but I think they could introduce new Kernothi. Now, originally I was gonna say, I think Kernothi are an AOS 3.0 army that they would introduce like in the new edition. So I think probably that's pushed in my mind to 2022. Okay. Along with like Tyrion or whatever, but they could surprise me. They could surprise me. They could surprise me with a whole Kernothi army. I think those ideas are lit. I think there's been a lot of positive response to the Kernothi warband. I think it's obvious they were charting out an idea for an army by that warband. I think they want to release that army at some point. Okay. It's just a question of, do they sneak it in somewhere in this year, right? Does it flip around and go pre-AOS 3.0 or does it push into next year? I mean, I think it pushes into next year. I don't see that popping up this year. I would love to see it. What do you think about, so you had talked about the undoing of the battle tome grind. Yes. You wanna talk about that? I do, I do wanna talk about that. And then I wanna do any other little like prediction things we have as far as just what we think for our year. Yeah, here's why I think that. So let's talk about AOS 3.0. What is AOS 3.0 going to be? Almost no change in the rules. I think it will change stuff. Maybe they'll switch the board size. Yeah. Like 70, 30 probably is where I would put the odds that they switched the board size. Likely switching the board size. Yeah, 70 on by the way, that they switched the board size. But if they didn't, I would be like, yeah, okay, I'm not surprised. Yeah. Because I could easily see them just keep the same size board for AOS and scope. Sure, AOS is on a six by four because it's a different game and whatever. Okay. I don't think they will change any major mechanics. I think most of those will stay the same. I think they'll do some formal terrain work like they did with 40K, where terrain gets into more sort of maybe more defined fashion. I don't know if we'll go with full keyword extravaganza bingo ridiculousness like 40K. I think they know that that's just not what we have a tolerance for as much. In the same way like 40K, so we're never gonna fully adopt 40K scenarios, right? Like, I mean, I don't know if you know how those work, but they're crazy town bonkers land of, I like the fact that they've got cool secondary objectives. I just hate the way they're implemented, right? What's the point of a 3.0? Slight refinement in the rules, chance to sell you a new core book, chance to sell you a new really exciting launch box, man. Like Indomitus was the reason to do 9th edition. Don't mix it up, okay? Like, yes they had a lot of rules fixes they wanted to do because they were still coming off their 1.0, right? Like it's easy to forget that because it has a nine in the number, but just like AOS 2 was really significant in it as far as its changes go to the rules, right? AOS 2 had very, very, very significant rules, right? But I think mostly what they'll do with 3.0 is they'll codify terrain in some way. They'll probably shrink the board size. Don't know, but probably. They'll introduce or beef up or change path to glory in some way to make it look more like crusades. So it's a fully separate thing that they can sell and you can play campaigns in in a long way with the right kinds of rewards and stuff like that. Because crusade has been really popular, really successful. It's gonna have its own book lines this year. Like with that narrative thing I mentioned, there will be a crusade book as well. So you've got like the Death Guard book and then you got the Death Guard expansion narrative book and then you got the crusade Death Guard book. Why sell you one book when we can sell you three, okay? So I think that's what they'll use the addition change for, okay? Like that is to say with 40K, when 9th edition changed, there was so much that came in the rules changes, right? Nearly every gun changed damage. Lots of range changes. The scenarios were vastly different and had huge dinosaur ending meteor crater impacts on the meta, okay? Like what was good yesterday is not good today, okay? The way you build armies completely changed, okay? Lots of stuff. This will be much more contiguous, okay? And they'll still do new battle tones. I'm not saying that we're not gonna get new battle tones. Look, we're getting another Heed Nights book and that's within the span of AOS 2.0. Like they're gonna sell us battle tones, okay? What I'm saying is they don't want to sell us because they don't want to put themselves into a situation. Because right now there are 25 AOS armies, okay? They do not want to put themselves into a situation where they change the rules so significantly with AOS 3.0 where it doesn't need it, right? We're not, the game is stable. It's smooth. Like there's all this stuff is around the edges, right? This is mostly just cleanup and some ancillary stuff. We're changing, codifying and unifying, right? And I think that's traditionally, we know how this goes over three editions, GW sharpens a knife, right? So you see the biggest changes one to the next and then you sharpen the knife the next one. Now, we can talk about what's gonna happen in 2023 and whatever happens then or whatnot, but. So what are three changes? Terrain, new reinforced path to glory equivalent of crusade, board size change. I'm gonna say they change command abilities, the generics. Sure, but they might do that in the general sandbox. That's, but that might not even be three point out. But like we had like generic, like so, like I'm thinking about like the reroll charges. I think reroll charges is gone by the way. Sure, like there are a couple of, like we could see changes to the base command abilities in the new, in the relaunch, right? Like it could be inspiring presence can't be used more than once around or once a battle round or something like that, right? Or whatever. Or only your general can use it or, or, or. Yeah, exactly. Like we could see that kind of thing. No, we're not gonna have buying artifacts. No, we're not gonna have alternating turns. We'll keep the double turn like anybody who's thinking that kind of stuff is gonna happen. No, no, it's not. Well, we move to, well, no, we won't. Like if we don't have alternating turns, I was to say, do you think we'll go to alternating activations and shooting like 40 K does? No, I think you mean like kill team does, but I knew what you meant. Like kill team, yeah, kill team was good. I knew, I knew what you meant. No. So like, you know, but you could, you could make small changes to those, those basic command abilities that would have large impacts in the game. Like the run one can probably stay the same because who honestly cares, it's fine. The charge thing, you could limit it in some way where again, maybe that one is the one you can't use it more than once around or something like that, right? Because then you're fine. You can, you always have sort of one golden parachute, but not more. And the inspiring presence could be like just off your general or something. Like they could go different directions like that, right? By the way, it could be general or anybody with a totem. That'd be a nice callback to the battle standard rules. Any hero who also has the totem keyword. Be an interesting way to make that keyword relevant. Sure. And it's interesting the stuff in this game that is totem, by the way. It's more than you think, but also not very many things. Somebody had said that re-rolled charges won't go. I think they will. And the reason why is because we've seen an uptick of command abilities in battle tomes that grant a, you use it before a charge is made and it lets you re-roll charges for any units or for like a unit within 12 inches. Right. Which is just patently worse. It's just patently worse 100% than the generic that everybody gets. And so why would they print that on a scroll, on the war scroll if they didn't have a function? Because it literally could be the Epsomlaurium text and it would still be just as pointless. Right. So Pop Burns, he said, if the old world is soon-ish, does it make sense for AOS to jump to 3.0 this early? The old world is like years away, man. Years away. They were very clear when they announced it. When they announced it back at the end of last year, they said this is at least three to four years away. Right. And by the way, that was before they got smacked by a year of COVID, where I got to imagine they didn't do a- Well, they announced it at like New Year's, right? Like that was the big New Year's announcement last year, going into 2020. Which is ironic, ironic. It's like fate saying like, yeah, it's a bad idea. You're half to 2020. Like my point is, if that thing was before 2023, I'll be surprised. Right. Because it's clear that if you read like the text, they don't know what the game is yet. Like in their text, they're not holding things back. They're just clearly like, we don't, we're, you know, they're making maps, they're doing art. They're in this like initial creation phase of a game, right, where they're thinking through stuff and creating all the, creating the mood board for the game, right? And yeah, who knows? It's definitely not this year. I would say with like this year being 2021, I would put a pretty high confidence factor like 90-10, but it's not 2022, yes. So yeah, there you go. Well, I think it would be the next launch gap, right? So they have like summers, right? Like summers are normally the launchers. And so like normally this would be our... Yes, it will be made by Forge World, by the way. It is a Forge World thing. That is correct. Yeah. Yes. Like this summer would have been, this coming summer would have been AOS 2.0, or 3.0 on 2021. And then we would have had a blank summer in 2022. Yeah, I mean, my answer is I have no idea what that's going to look like or when that is or what they end up doing with it or, you know, who knows or what scale it is or what bases it uses. I don't know. None of us know. Nobody knows. I don't like, I know people say, but they already told us it was squares because in that very first teaser image they said they had, they said everything comes around again, even squares. Okay, that was a funny joke image. And if you haven't learned yet that GW sometimes sets things up in their initial marketing that they don't pay off. Boy, have you not been paying attention for the past all of the years, okay? So, you know, like, it would not surprise me if it came out, for example, that it was round-based, but used a song of ice and fire, movement-tracing, right? That would surprise me zero percent. It's a square tray, yeah, it was zero rounds. Yep, I agree. And like, if that was what they did, I'd be like, yeah, that totally makes sense, right? Because then they're gonna aim for cross-compatibility where some people wanna be able to buy interesting stuff for their AOS. Because for their Drushi Dark Elf Army, they're gonna want witch elves. Right, exactly, or whatever, yeah. Who knows? This is an old-world prediction time, this is 2021. We're too far out, we gotta pull it back in. Pull it back in, okay. I think that we're gonna see the beginnings of the Stormcast faction books in 3.0 as well. In 2022. So, yeah, I don't know if we'll see a Hammers of Sigmar launch on the heels of the new, of the base Stormcast book, or if you'll be six months in with the Hammers of Sigmar book. But Hammers of Sigmar will be first, followed probably by hallowed knights, and I'm guessing celestial vindicators. Really, not animals of the Heldenhammer, the most popular single-faction played? I mean, the animals of Heldenhammer could literally evaporate tomorrow if they reprinted the allegiance rules and they were terrible. Sure, that's fair, that's fine. They are played simply because of the allegiance rules. Yeah, yeah. You get rid of that and they're gone. Sure. And Amvigard isn't a thing anymore, that's where they were stationed. So, they could be written out of the story pretty easily. Yeah. Okay, so what about us, Tom, for 2021? I'll make a prediction. I predicted if Nashcon happens, I'm gonna be there. How about you? Yeah, if Nashcon happens, I will be there. Okay. Awesome. That I can say for sure. If any of the holy events happen, then yep, we'll be doing those for sure. Yep. Sure, I'll make this announcement now. This isn't a thing. So, I mean, it is, but it's not. I am working on a micro event that we will advertise in some way. If it will not be something that people can participate in necessarily because it will be a smaller scale thing, but it will be an event that is a Warhammer Weekly Invitational Escaven. Okay, I got you. Well, I can't wait to see what you do with that, Tom. We've been talking about it and I've talked to you about hints and I'm not gonna announce anything else other than to say that I am attempting to reimagine what events might look like in the new COVID world. Sure. And because of the ability to be a content producer and to, I think there are a lot of opportunities here and that's one of my predictions for what 2021 is gonna hold. Nice. Is that something is coming. Okay. Darius said any ideas about the silent ones, new Underworlds Warband? I don't think it's any part of the Underworlds Warbands we saw spoiled. I don't think it'll have anything to do with that. Do the silent ones ever make, do they ever do anything with it? Maybe. So like it depends on when they really concepted it. Like they put out a lot of stuff like that in the story that they never pick up on, right? There's all sorts of things like that in the narrative that just don't actually have a lot of play. In the actual like, in the full on armies. So will they ever expand that? Will they do an Underworlds Warband dedicated to it? Will they make a whole army of it? Who knows? I don't know. I don't think it's coming this year. So there you go. Yes, Dan said new war request. Yeah Dan, we placed the new war and request in July. That could be that the war and request would be a good place to sit silent ones. That could be what it is. That could be a fine one. But yes, I agree with Tom, new war and request. They'll kick off an AOS war and request in July. Do we think they will change how they release battle tomes in AOS 3.0? No, I think they've seen largely success with it other than the fact that they might start doing the add on things like Tom said for like Stormcash chambers or whatever. If they feel that's popular enough but keep in mind, it's still risky for them to try it. They might trot it out and see but the reality is we're talking about like a a huge difference, Tom. You know, the meta in 40K is plurality Stormcast. Or sorry, it's plurality, space marine, I apologize. Right, the meta in AOS is not plurality Stormcast. I agree. But I think that what we saw with the Stormkeep, Stormcast Eternals. Oh, well, we get that. Okay, we can talk about that in a second. Yeah, Dan, I get what you're saying. Go ahead, go ahead. When we do, I think what we got trotted out there which is, hey, there are ways to be Stormcast that are not all the same. I think we will begin to see some of that. Sure. And I think that that's where this plays itself out is that you could get a like a generic Stormhost, like Lightning Strike, Stormhost, Stormkeep and then when you dial into, so let's say like Hammers of Sigmar, right? Hammers of Sigmar book would have a specific thing for what it looks like with Hammerhaul because Hammerhaul is where the Hammers of Sigmar are stationed. So they have the Hammerhaul rules, the updated Hammerhaul rules are in that book because that is where the Stormkeep Hammerhaul grouping is. And so they would have specific stuff with specific NPCs and all that stuff with all the name characters and yadda yadda. That's where that happens. Yeah. So which is, it makes sense, I suppose. Do I think they'll switch to the same distribution model with AOS codices? No, I don't. I don't. I think they'll like, we'll see. We'll see what they end up doing with it. I don't know. It's hard to imagine they make that switch. Maybe they change just the books to where we can't get them, buy them in the app anymore directly. It's hard to believe. It's hard to believe that would be the case. I think if anything, they'd leave both venues open, like they'd give you a code or you can just pay for it in the app. Because ultimately, like we already have an app, the app is already very popular. People already have the upgrade to AZ or the expectations are different. It'd be very hard for them to launch something exactly like they did with 40K because of the anchoring they already have. Like they know it would be a very unpopular move. It's harder to take something away from someone, you know, once you've already given it to them. And it's become basically the way the world works, right? Like all of our scrolls are free. That will probably never change, right? They just, that's part of what AOS is. All of our list building tools are already there and exist and are free, right? So it's hard to believe that they would make radical changes to that stuff. Because, you know, it's there, it's successful. It's very popular. They know it buys them a lot of goodwill and they would stand to lose more than they would gain, right? Like in the end, it would be a poor business decision. Would be my argument. So, there you go. Resolutions for the channel. Tom, anything we wanna resolve for or predict for ourself in 2021 for this show or for the channel? Not beyond my own, what I had announced, which was a some type of Warhammer weekly event. Gotcha. For the next year. Okay, so mine is one, I'm gonna just try to do stuff like make better thumbnails and, you know, add in time code. You've seen me start to do this stuff. We launched Merch this year, like I said, we're gonna do more, like I'm gonna try to up the value of this. Maybe someday I'll figure out how overlays work. That'll be a neat day. I don't know how those work now, but there's gotta be something. Can't be that hard, right? And I, but I wanna launch more Merch. There's more Merch I wanna get out there like mugs and stuff like that. I'm actually trying to find, I'm trying to find somebody who can do some more art for me. Paul, I've been trying to get in touch with your friend. Who did our last art, who is not responding to me. So why don't you tell him, ask him if he fell off, see if Stone Monk fell off the edge of the planet. Gubertown asks, so I'm gonna do an updated profile picture. Yeah, that would be a good one to put on the channel. Like I should really update the channel picture and stuff like that, cause it's just so old. Everything's so old. That's a good idea, Goobs. I like where you're thinking. It's a, he's a smart man. He's a smart man. But just stuff like that. Like I wanna keep improving the channel. We'll do, we will launch some new merch. Like if I can find a place to get apron source that I like, you know, mugs, just stuff like that. Cool things. But yeah, I mean, we're still gonna keep at it. Our sixth anniversary show will be at the end of January, which I'm excited about. So we'll keep at it. We hope you'll stay with us for the next year. If you're new, hey, welcome. We're glad to have you. It's super great to see you. It's gonna be an awesome 2021. The, we've righted the ship and we're pulling out of this nosedive as a planet. So let's just, let's just get back up into the skies where we've got some clear sailing ahead. So I, I'm looking forward to it. I think it's gonna be a super great year. I know it's already full of things that I'm gonna love just because of the first release of the year. So basically it can only go up. That's what I'll say. It's already a banner year for me. Well, I would love to predict or tease that I have content coming. But I'm just not gonna do that anymore. No, you shouldn't. It's bad. Because I, you know, it's, my schedule is really full. My schedule is really full. Like with four kids and I have some ideas that I've floated to some other content producers and I'm considering exploring some of that but I'm not gonna make any promises. So, but it, but I haven't given up the possibility of doing content production for those that are fast. Can we get a video of Tom or Vince actually playing? Sure, I suppose at some point, if you want me to like just record it on my phone for five seconds, that's fine. Be like, see I'm playing Warhammer. If you, like, I'm on, like, if you go to the, I have a show on the Warhammer community. Like if you're part of the Warhammer TV, like you can just go see me play a game there. That was the depth of con a little two years ago. Yeah, exciting. That's the last time Tom played for me, you know. Yeah. But I would love to do some battle reports with Vince and I. But I don't, I don't even know, like, nobody wants to watch. All you gotta do is come to this city, Tom, and then you'll be good to go. Sure, I mean, we could set up a video camera stream of me and you playing. No, that's not what we're doing. At any rate, it's gonna be a great year. I look forward to it. I hope you do as well. I hope you come join us. Thank you so much, everybody, for watching, for watching all of this. Let's see how our predictions shape up. Let's see what we get on New Year's. Don't forget to hit like if you haven't already. Please hit that like button. It helps other people find the show, share the show, talk about it, tweet and, you know, tag me, all that kind of stuff. Subscribe if you haven't already. All the fun things that you're supposed to say, all the calls to action that are relevant. But in all seriousness, 2020 has been a real shite year and I am so happy to have all of you along with us. This community continues to be awesome. It has all in all been a very happy year for me despite all of the sadness and troubles and everything. And that's because of all of you. So happy New Year's everybody. We will see you in 2021, which just happens to be next Wednesday.