 We're here at the Internet and Politics Conference at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society and we're here speaking with Jeff Frazee. Jeff Frazee, where are you from? I'm from Texas and worked with the Ron Paul 2008 campaign. And how did you get involved with the campaign and what was your capacity with the campaign? I was Congressman Paul's national youth coordinator and so getting involved I knew early on the campaign that we have a large youth following. So we started utilizing Facebook and the various social media that was available to us for free to start connecting with students and find where the interest is in organizing on college campuses. And once the campaign raised enough money and realized wow there is a large youth effort out there behind Congressman Paul they invited me on board and of course I obviously accepted and I accepted probably way too early if I should negotiate a higher salary but I was so excited to join the campaign that yes it was something I was very happy to do. The line is that the Barack Obama campaign and to some extent the Ron Paul campaign were very active on the internet but the McCain campaign not not so much. Do you feel that's accurate or what do you think? I think it's very accurate and I think the reason we were so effective on the internet is because of Dr. Paul's message I think same with Obama we had both had a message to energize their base and then we we use technology to lower barriers entry into organize and mobilize. Why I think that we failed and where the Obama campaign succeeded was taking that one step further and then directing that action that that organized and networked framework and directing that into specific action that trained our volunteers and organized them in a way that was you know politically savvy and campaign savvy. More so when we kind of took almost a free market approach and kind of let our people organize and do whatever the heck they wanted to do and that kind of backfired in some extent mainly because you know we didn't they just didn't achieve or didn't didn't put forth the political tactics that you usually expect the campaign and that was no fault of theirs and more so a fault of the campaign for not training them and directing their action. So if you had to distill a lesson from this campaign what would you say the lesson about the use of the internet would be is the internet you know 50% of the strategy or is it what role does it play? Well it's great for communication it's great for organization and it's great for mobilization but it doesn't function just in a vacuum you have to direct that action especially if you want to win a campaign. Campaigns don't change you still need to get 51% of the vote so in order to achieve that how do you utilize technology to achieve that goal and so that's the real question and how do you mobilize people to achieve that goal and train them in specific tactics to achieve that goal so the goal doesn't change but but the technology allows it to become more effective if that answers your question. And I'm curious what you think the role of the internet should be outside of the the campaign itself is there a role for internet in in politics is it is a big role is it a small role what is it? Yeah no I totally agree it's an issue we're facing now and I think issue the Obama campaigns facing now is you've had this election that's now over in this large movement an energetic movement behind you that's energized to do something and it's now well what is that something going to be and obviously it can't be a campaign you know do you they mentioned earlier in the conference about game behind Obama's legislative agenda all right well that's a goal that you can seek to achieve and for us you know what is the Ron Paul's goal what is going to be what are we going to achieve outside of this campaign and I think we're going to hopefully be able to identify and train upcoming future Ron Paul Republicans and so we can have you know Dr. Paul not be the only member of Congress voting no all the time but maybe four or five ten fifteen and maybe you know a couple years down the road we can actually have a large influence in the Congress so that's really now is where is this directed actually where's this directed movement where's this movement now need to be directed and that's where you sort out with the Obama campaign with ourselves is what goals do we seek to achieve what's our purpose now sounds almost like a post-party movement yeah exactly well it depends I think there the two traditional parties that that that system is not going to change anytime soon and that you do have to utilize one of the two so we'll do our best to kind of inject as many liberty loving candidates into both systems and see how that see how that goes you know the next couple years well I wish you luck and we'll be excited to learn from your lessons and what we see coming out of the Ron Paul campaign and thank you from the internet and politics conference at the Berkman Center for Internet Society this is Dan Jones