 Right. Yeah, that's right. Are you do you sing the Lady Gaga born this way song? I Do not know the Lady Gaga born this way song, but if I did I'm fairly sure I would you should should learn it Luke Skywalker You know that moisture farmer from Tatooine can eat 50 eggs ready I Know I'm ready now. Oh a new version of audio hijack is ready to install. Great. Do that later. Here we go This is Siri the daily tech news show by Tom Merritt is brought to you by all of the supporters at patreon If you also want to support Tom go to patreon.com slash ace detect that is patreon.com slash AC ED TCT and thanks as always for listening to the daily tech news show This is the daily tech news for Tuesday, October 20th 2015 happy birthday to my brother Tim He's the only family member that actually listens. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Patrick Bay She's a DTS contributor and independent podcaster. How's it going Patrick? It is going I was gonna say wonderfully well, but I'm a little bit under the weather. So it's going okay I'm sorry to hear that, but I admire your optimism It's almost American Optimism in what in in wanting to say wonderfully well, even though you don't actually feel that way, right? Right, right. Well, you know, I do have a lot of influence from the evil American Empire as a you know So yes, I do have been known to to have some spurs of American optimism. So there you go What can you hey you guys do your movies on Wednesday? Which means you get Star Wars the Force Awakens on a Wednesday before US did you get your tickets yesterday? I did get my ticket today. Oh today still on the Wednesday 16th and It's been a point of contention between me and producer Jenny for a few weeks now that we get to see it earlier But she also got her tickets and she was very happy that she bought an entire row of tickets So that made her happy. So now we're friends again. So Jenny smart Jenny went to the theater and bought the tickets My wife is smart. My wife went to the theater and bought tickets. I'm dumb I tried to go online, which was a miserable experience trying to actually get tickets purchased online Tom I like to think of you not as dumb, but as clever in a different way differently clever Differently smart Thank you. I appreciate that. Let's get on with the headlines HTC announced its new handset Tuesday called the HTC one a nine It runs almost stock Android Marshmallow and promises updates within 15 days after Google pushes them out to the Nexus handsets Notable features of the HTC one a nine include an SD card slot cost three hundred dollars Availability expected to vary by carrier but arrive sometime by the first week of November and all anybody can say is like wow That looks more like an iPhone than any other HTC phone. I've seen Well, Facebook's Chris Cox speaking at the WSJ D conference today said Facebook is rolling out instant articles to all iPhone users Facebook will test the format in beta for Android users later this year Vox Media slate huffington post the Daily Mail joined the original nine organizations participating in the program Instant articles load 10 times faster than normal web links according to Facebook They're also doing something called instant advertisements, which I think is sort of Inside the Trojan horse of instant articles because we are all like oh well instant articles that what a great program We get to tap and read our news faster and publishers are sort of begrudgingly like well A lot of people on Facebook get their news from us So I guess as long as we can monetize it with Facebook, which we can well well will participate in this But instant advertisements allow advertisers to immediately Load an ad in the same speed as instant articles Which again? I mean if you're not waiting to load an ad in a web browser You're more likely to actually pay attention to it, right? Yeah, exactly and it's interesting also that we have the Actual confirmation that the program wasn't shelved because they started it a few months ago And then it sort of went away for a few for a little while, but yeah now they're definitely going ahead with it So interesting Tim Cook spoke at the Wall Street Journal digital live conference Monday He announced the new Apple TV will go up for order next Monday October 26th shipping later than that week He said Apple music has 6.5 million paying customers and 15 million total subscribers That includes the people who started a three-month free trial more recently He also held the line on encryption saying no backdoor is a must He is against giving anybody good or bad a backdoor into encryption and most intriguingly He mentioned software and autonomous driving as part of a massive change in the auto industry and said Patrick tell me what you think this means we want people to have an iPhone experience in their car We look at a lot of things our model is to reduce that list to a few It is almost Jedi like cryptic It's a crypticness It's you know, I think it's easy to This card or you know discount this as just Apple being Apple and they say we want them to have an iPhone experience in their car Okay Whatever the iPhone is the iPhone it's been here for a long time And it's obviously a good point of reference for people to refer to when they want to invoke something That's successful on the other hand remember what the cell phone experience was like before the iPhone and you know We could discuss a lot of things about this, but Maybe there is something beyond the experience of being in a car that we can't really see yet because the the I was gonna say the device the This machine has been around around for so long and has evolved in so tiny steps That we're just used to it and maybe there's something that can be a more important step It can go to and maybe Apple will find what that step is And it's funny because he covered all the rumors There's rumors that they're just doing a software platform that they would work with a manufacturer on their rumors that they're doing autonomous cars whether they're semi-autonomous or fully autonomous and There's rumors that and I've put forth this theory that Apple is probably Investigating all of this stuff and figuring out what they can do well and he basically said like yeah There's software is a big deal of cars Autonomous cars are a big deal. We would love to have that iPhone experience at a car But we look at a lot of things we do is what we do and Apple look at things It's it is it is very interesting because I think we mentioned this for their past few Communication pushes and they seem to we seem to see a part pattern of them Actually making taking for themselves what could be said about them so that you can't really talk about it anymore So they control the message very heavily one of the things that we saw this exemplified in was The catchphrase for the iPhone 6s. They said the only thing that's new is everything or something to that effect Except everything. Yeah. Yeah, exactly something like that and what that does is that they say yes We know that you're gonna say there's nothing new But we're saying it first and we're turning it around in a good way. So they're really Yeah, it's exactly it's a pure tradition and I think to a lesser extent there is some of this happening here He's very much controlling the message. He's saying everything that everyone's saying and giving his version of it So I think it's pretty clever Rico, oh, I'm sorry. That's yours. Take it. That's fine. That's fine. It's okay. It's your show Recode reports the New York Times will distribute more than one more than one million Google Cardboards to its Sunday print subscribers The weekend of November 7th the New York Times is launching its virtual reality edition and why TV are on November 5th now the Sunday edition is not as big as it used to be so stick in Google Cardboard is is going to really increase the the weight of the Sunday Times, I feel like Interesting observation I could make is like wait the people least likely to want to experiment with a cardboard VR thing with their phone Are people who still subscribe to print? Is that a stereotype no, well, maybe I don't know what surprises me is that the New York time would even think of making a NYTV R edition. I mean, what are they going to do? Yeah, Jenny jump in. Why are they doing this because the New York Times actually has one of the strongest paid digital subscriptions of all print publications so while in comparison to digital only Media that get more traffic, which at this point is like Facebook They are comparatively very strong and so they're trying to take that audience because there's a whole level of people that exist only for the Sunday Times and They're younger and hip or you can see the change in the Sunday Times sections over time Since when I was like, you know born and then reading and then, you know still needing that paper So it has such a strong branded tech traction for such high add advertiser friendly Demo that they're actually really smart in getting ahead of this like they have all sorts of levels of digital deals And this is just another evolution in that process And the Times has a history of jumping on new technology and trying it They were one of the first to bring an app edition out. I remember they were actually doing What was that push technology that Netscape was trying back in the late 90s? And they were they were one of the first publications to try that as well They they tried they were one of the first to bring a sort of a PDF like Replication of the front page. So I guess this just continues that tradition of Trying out new technologies fast, but Jenny you're saying that like young tech savvy people Subscribe to the print edition of the New York Times still know they don't they subscribe to the digital only edition But the the key as as a lifelong Times reader the key holy grail for me will be When can I have the same experience digitally with the New York Times that I remember growing up? Which is that beautiful feeling of opening the paper on a Sunday? Right, but I don't want the paper anymore. I don't want the physical paper So if the VR experience can eventually get me the full beauty of the organized print edition as versus sort of the semi-chaotic feel of the website editions in a place where I can just look and read That's worth trying for I'm not saying they're gonna necessarily succeed on this iteration of the next But if I can have my coffee and read my paper at the same time done Well, I have thought the attempt. Yeah, be careful with your coffee with that But you know I plot the attempt I'm skeptical on the result, but you know, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised It's a PR move then is what this amounts to which is like, no, of course We know the people were delivering these cardboard things to aren't the right people But hopefully they'll get into the hands of their relatives I even question the how the NYTV our thing is going to work But maybe you know there there's gonna be reports on some thing We're actually being in the place makes sense and it's gonna be in addition to an actual article Maybe it will work. Well cooking the New York Times food They have a food section. That's tremendous and they'd be able to see that visually and experience that might really be something In response to the European Court of Justice is ruling on safe harbour data agreements between the United States and EU Ireland's High Court ordered the Irish data Protection Commissioner to launch a probe into Facebook's transfer of EU user data to the US Previously the data commissioner said safe harbour prevents me from doing this So no safe harbour now the commissioner must do that Austrian at max Shrems brought the complaint against Facebook after revelations about a US surveillance program called prism was leaked in documents from Edward Snowden Facebook denies the US has ever had direct access to its servers Meanwhile, Microsoft Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith posted proposed steps to solve the US EU data privacy issue Now that safe harbour is gone First step he recommends would be for the US and EU to conform to each other's laws when requesting personal data about the other's citizens And the interesting thing there I think this is probably what is going to have to happen at some point But the interesting thing is that both of those entities have national interests in being able to You know have access to that data and it seems that many countries have programs that are You know similar to what has allegedly is allegedly happening in the in the US So it might be that this whole thing while very annoying and problematic and complicated right now is Going to end up with a safe harbour to agreement which is actually has been in the works for a while where All of these countries and governments agree to basically do whatever the hell everyone wants with the data That's in their own country, you know, even if it's a it's been transferred basically We all spy on everyone and we're fine because we're all doing it and we if you're doing it We're doing it. So okay, and everyone wants to do it. So this is high speculation on my part, obviously, but the safe harbour agreement had been old for a while So I think my understanding is that this is Very annoying in the short term, but it's not going to have a huge amount of consequences in the long term Well, the the problem is and Brad Smith wrote a very long post Going into the history of safe harbour and what it means and how privacy has changed and how the old safe harbour agreement wasn't up to the task etc etc because What he and many other proposals that I've seen want to do is Make the United States Play by EU rules when accessing data about EU citizens stored in the US. The US doesn't want to do that And and and vice versa like you say the EU would like to you know only play by its own rules when it's accessing data About US citizens in the EU it does work both ways So getting them to kind of shake hands and agree to follow each other I think is going to require them both to modify Their privacy regulations, which is going to be another big fight with the back shrooms of the world So it's it's going to take a lot to get this worked out But that said, I know you're right Patrick, which is in the short term Or in the long term it probably will end up not causing The disruption that everyone was afraid maybe it would if safe harbour was just eliminated and never replaced Right, so in the short term it's going to be mean a lot of headaches for big companies that have the legal departments that can handle making individual agreements with each countries you know organization that oversees data privacy and you know, that's a Puzzle that small companies are going to have a lot harder time Getting around and you know because they don't have big legal departments But it only applies those agreements only have to be put in place if the company that for let's take the example of American companies if they have Offices in Europe if you're just an American company and you get data from European citizens That are just using your service, which is based in the US. You're not subject to these You know, you're not good these issues are not going to apply to you So again, you know big companies can handle it smaller companies might take a little bit longer to open offices in Europe But in the end there are ways around the headaches So well and and the beauty of the internet was I never had to think about opening an office in the EU if I wanted to Provide a worldwide service Exactly and that's that's what this law should preserve and Brad Smith points that out as well Yeah Reuters reports that Google has purchased a minority stake in an artificial intelligence firm called mob boy based in Beijing the Chinese startup develops AI voice-controlled software and Provided Chinese language voice recognition for search. I'm sorry for the Android wear smartwatch operating system The amount of Google's investment was not disclosed but came as part of a 75 million dollars Funding round now you can say like why do I care if Google gave a little money to somebody because it's in China and Google has been very staunchly not operating in China and In many ways now they still operate Android over there and the play store But you know Google search made a big deal when it moved out of China and provided its search to China only through its Hong Kong website So getting back into investing in Chinese companies is is a little tiptoe of Google back Into China whether it's to get Chinese good graces or not hard to say Yeah, if it's for for one such event it might be insignificant We'll have to see if it happens again what they're exposing themselves to Chinese regulation, which is Which is a big big step T2T2 pointed out that let's encrypt announced its free security Certificates are now trusted by all major browsers after let's encrypt receive cross signatures from SSL cert provider Iden trust let's encrypt will begin issuing free TLS SSL certificates to sites of any size Starting in November furthering that goal of getting every site to deliver a secure website Yay That's what I have to say about yeah, I mean too The lazy one submitted a story about popcorn Times new web-based service But torrent freak of torrent freak already has the story that browser popcorn has a page saying it has been shut down By the MPAA popcorn time makes it easy to find and play movies and TV shows with no evaluation of the legality of doing so Yeah, so it's not a surprise that the MPAA got to them I guess the surprise to me is that they put their own message up Saying the MPAA got to them Which usually what the MPAA does is just gets the domain taken down or it gets the host to yank the plug They you don't usually see the person who's removing the site get to say anything and they say things about the evil MPAA Etc. Etc. So it implies that maybe they got ahead of the notice before they actually got their site pulled Or they're bluffing. I don't know but I what do you think the chances are Patrick that we see this Site pop up somewhere else Very likely Popcorn time was actually an effort that was shut down very quickly after it first appeared I think it must have been a year or two ago But then other people, you know found they had access to the code and they kept developing it And it's available if you know where to find it and here I think it's the same thing that it's just someone thought of it and I don't Was not Lamar Wilson who thought of it by the way That we know of that But yeah, I don't think it's very difficult to To to replicate the the functionality and maybe even the owner or the developer behind this It seems like he is not very happy about it So it wouldn't be surprising if you lease the code For other people to do it and you know the that we know other websites that The NPA is not too happy about that also are still up and get really be taken down be in spite of all the efforts of Many different agencies, so but it takes a lot of effort for the Pirate Bay to keep moving around and around and around, right? so these folks may not have that those that level of resource or motivation and and the other thing that's been going on is There is a splinter among the popcorn time. There are two versions of the downloadable version of popcorn time and a bunch of people from the more popular version have left and Said they had a dispute with the other members who were developing so there's something going on behind the scenes in that whole popcorn time community That we're not probably knowing either Yeah, for sure. I think if you know the Pirate Bay makes a lot of I assume makes a lot of money displaying ads And that's why it keeps popping up and you know, it's it's why it's it's Still in business because it's a money-making enterprise. I'm sure something like this You know, basically what it does is with the underlying technology of popcorn time It just you launch the website and click on Movie or a TV show and it just starts playing so it makes Accessing the content a lot easier even than it is with popcorn time, which is a separate App and I'm sure someone will find a way to monetize this maybe with ads And that might make it worthwhile as well, but I don't know we'll see ours Technica notes that a new Android compatibility definition document restores mandatory encryption for devices that running Android 6.0 With a couple of exceptions the requirement applies to devices launched running Android 6.0 as long as they meet Minimum requirements any device that can't support full disk encryption with AES above 50 megabyte per second is Exempt so if you didn't launch your device with Android 6 you're exempt even if you upgraded it to Android 6 later if you can't support this encryption standard you're exempt and Devices without lock screens like Android watches for instance are also exempt So most of the phones out there Even if they're running Android 6.0 are gonna be exempt for a while definitely cheaper Android phones are gonna be exempt for a while But brand new phones with Android 6.0 installed at the sale point will have to be full disk encrypted Hey Tom, what's a megabyte? 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We really appreciate everybody in there doing that Daily tech news show dot reddit.com is the subreddit and that is a look at the headlines Okay, so We reported on this in the headlines previously But the news keeps trickling out people keep talking about it Wall Street Journal says it has people familiar with the matter as I said People I'm so excited that they use the actual term people familiar with the matter Saying Nintendo has distributed the SDK for the Nintendo NX rumored to have a mobile unit that is Separable and could be played on its own away from the main console They say there are cutting-edge processors the sort these sources say so it'd be more powerful than than the underpowered processor We've seen previously Macquarie capital securities analyst David Gibson told the Wall Street Journal We are increasingly of the idea that Nintendo might launch the NX in 2016 because of the softness of the 3ds in the Wii U Nintendo has only ever said that they plan to release more details about the NX next year They haven't said anything about a launch although Square Enix has said that it is planning to make Dragon Quest 11 for the NX it so what's really surprising here is the Rep the quickness with which Nintendo would be putting out this this new system the Wii U only launched in November 2012 Just three years ago. Usually those systems have a shelf life of Five to seven eight years the last generation was longer than the ones before but something like that So it gives you an idea of how I'm not afraid to use the term abysmal the The sales of the Wii U have been basically they've only just reached 10 million units sold which is really low For a point of comparison the PlayStation 4 that has been out for a couple of years only is already at 25 million worldwide so it's you know, it's an exceptional number for even for Sony, but It's still a lot lower and the problem is it doesn't seem like Nintendo has a lot of hope of selling more Wii U's at this point, you know, they could go up to 11 12 million But it's unlikely that they would go much above that again for a point of comparison Nintendo home consoles have been selling less and less over the past few years and over the past decades and The next one that was the lowest selling console For in its entire history was the GameCube which sold about 20 million The Wii was kind of an outlier at 100 million. It sold super well, but it was more kind of a You know a game that you would play with your family You would buy it take it out of the closet for you know once or twice and then you would never use it again A lot of people went into that so anyway Wii U sales are terrible and they have to move on they just have to so they might actually put out the The new system the NX in 2016, which is very early I think the latest they could do it is March 2017 at the close of the fiscal year They are they have been now the the more interesting thing about the NX is what exactly it's going to be We've heard a lot about Nintendo's Design hardware innovation Really when you look at it closely, you know, they have initiated the motion gaming revolution which Frankly, it it's I might get some hate for this, but I don't think it did much for gamers Microsoft which quickly followed suit with the Kinect actually never made anything of that device for gamers for on in the in a Wide sense the Wii itself as I was saying didn't make it into as a staple of a gamer's house And similarly even with the 3ds or the DS they were great consoles and they still are but I would argue that a lot of it's of their Qualities came from the game design that Nintendo and other Developers put into the games. Well, that was the idea that we knew was who cares really what the hardware is doing You're buying it for the games, but that doesn't seem to have paid off for them as well Well, they had that clunky Screen for those who don't know the Wii U is a relatively underpowered system with a Controller that has a screen in it and it was designed at a time where tablets were booming and everyone thought oh We have to do tablet like things and it's gonna be awesome turns out the annex They're gonna do something. We're like, oh, we have to have mobile type things So that's different and let me tell you why A lot of people will tell you oh, we don't need mobile game systems because we have phones and Everyone everyone's playing games on their phones now. So who's gonna have a 3ds or you know something like this? I strongly disagree I think a lot of the people saying that are people who know the games market only marginally they understand the tech market and They look at this and they think well, it's kind of the same thing It's games games are games, but gamers will tell you that in order to have an actual Gaming experience you need to have physical controls. You need a joystick. You need a button You know and more than one actually So I think there is a space for a Portable dedicated gaming device in the world. I might be wrong, but I think there is well the Nintendo 3ds I mean it has sold 53 million and it is definitely by far the only portable game console That that sells consistently even that's been declining though It has been it had a rough start It definitely didn't do as well then as the DS which was extremely successful before before the 3ds but The it's been doing so basically the home console the Wii U and the 3ds Need a refresh and what Nintendo is doing which well what Nintendo is allegedly doing is sort of two things in one to sort of capture the mobile market the mobile dedicated gaming console market which they are very strong in already and giving a An updated home console that gamers are going to enjoy and that's where the cutting-edge processors Are important so you're saying they're collapsed first of all They're moving back towards the Xbox and PlayStation would be the theory because they're using higher-end processors You can do more serious gaming. It's not the Wii proposition anymore of like this is the second console that the whole family can use and They're bundling in that portable Gaming device because they're collapsing those two markets and saying people still want things like the 3ds So let's let's boost the sales of the console And and and put them both together that that seems smart to me Especially because they did learn a lot about what works in a second-screen environment with that unwieldy Dashboard tablet thing on the Wii U and making it a more wieldy Small portable phone like size probably makes sense For all of this together, but are they are they slicing it too fine? Are they are they doing too many compromises for the hardcore gamer who will still go with the PlayStation? But not appealing to that person who's like hey the phone seems fine for me What what's gonna make me want to spend money on this? Well, there are a couple of things the first thing first and foremost by far the Nintendo expertise in game design is what could make this console desirable It's it's excellent, you know, I can't say enough good things about Nintendo's game design expertise So a lot of people who are actual gamers are going to often go to those that those consoles because of those Nintendo games the second thing is I think what they're hoping to do is to create something that Combining the home console and the portable console is going to make something greater than its individual parts because Hopefully what they can design is game are game experiences that will be enhanced by the fact that you can actually have a link between the thing you're playing at home and maybe a version of that game that you're taking away with you and Maybe in some instances is going to be a combined you can play on the portable thing and On the home device as well at the same time But the closer integration between the two could make for an actual portable gaming experience That is worthy of the home console Which is what a lot of gamers would like to see and honestly has never really been perfectly Realized in the past So the bet that Nintendo is doing is that I think they can make something More fun for people who are actual gamers and it's important to understand Gamers are a smaller market than smartphone users so it's not like all of a sudden you're going to start seeing that annex come around and Everyone who is gaming on their smartphone is going to have it because they want to have a portable gaming system It's still going to be a smaller market But it can be a very lucrative one if Nintendo manages to create and not even a niche All right, so before we get off this topic best bets on When and what will actually hear from Nintendo I got my own ideas on that and what do you think it'll end up being called? Because I loved the Nintendo Revolution But if I when they made it official obviously they changed it to the Nintendo we I have a feeling from do the same with the annex Yeah, they've had a bunch of code names like everyone does I think the gamecube was the dolphin things like that, but It's very hard to know. I mean they've had Marketing issues with both the Wii U and the 3ds because the Wii U as a name was too similar to Wii people didn't understand if it was An add-on or you know, so if it was the same thing same with the 3ds, which was too close to the DS I Couldn't tell you the name. I would like the Nintendo enterprise Nintah the name X It's a lot of the original enterprise Well, I can tell you is that they are going to be presenting it Sorry, you're not good They're probably gonna be saying Presenting the console at E3 the next year The big question is whether or not they are going to be there physically doing the presentation It's it's likely and then release maybe end of the year Which is very quick if they introduce it six months before they they release it It's very quick maybe in March But yeah, it's I mean it's already given SDKs to people You know the the announcement comes very quickly before release But I kind of like that instead of the usual like we're gonna announce one thing in spring And then another thing at E3 for a release next year after another E3 Well, just announce it and put it out. Let's do it. That's great in theory But now the news is leaking because they are distributing You know probably more development kits But that's only a year before the release of the thing if it actually comes out at the end of next year That's a very short amount of time to develop a game, especially for a system that has such a different You know hardware with two different elements What they might do though What seems more and more likely is that they are delaying one of their huge titles Which is Zelda which was supposed to come out on Wii U and very well might But I could imagine it would come out as a dual release on Wii U and NX to boost the sales When the the machine first comes out. Yeah, Nintendo. Yes. That's what I meant. I'm sorry All right. Good stuff. Well, we'll keep an eye out on it But it is it is fun to think we might actually get a new console next year I'm excited about that especially for a Nintendo just to close the the segment I think a lot of people that's the difference between Nintendo and a lot of other companies There are a lot of people who really want to love Nintendo. They just need a reason to do it and in Recent months Nintendo hasn't given us enough. So hopefully with the next they'll be back our pick of the day comes from juice Our pick of the day comes from juice in beautiful springing Melbourne Who suggested that when you need to mono task in a big way? You try get cold turkey comm basically it blocks the website and application that you tell it to block For whatever amount of time you tell it to He bought the paid version just to support the devs and you get a few extra features then finds it very useful for defeating his ADHD brain while he's trying to get you know uni work done for his honors program and so on and they do say that There's a Mac version coming if you go to the website He says on my Android phone I use quality time which pretty much does the same thing and there are plenty of apps on the play store that do Stuff like this both could use some UX improvements, but both work really well Do you need a distraction monitor Patrick? Yeah, you know, I'm incredibly OCD and I Usually multitask in a very neurotic way. So I think I yourself you have built in But this is a good suggestion if folks are like I can't stop myself from checking Twitter or Facebook or Instagram Get cold turkey comm send your pics to us feedback a daily tech news show comm you can find my pics at daily tech News show comm slash pics Alan said I don't know about under your sink, but it would be interesting if Plasma fires the plasma converters we were talking about on yesterday's show could be sufficiently small to be mobile Like hauled around by a truck then the problem of running out of trash locally could be solved by moving to another location with a Supply of trash better still if you could put it on ships, which by the way we mentioned yesterday It's on a Navy ship Maybe they could deal with all the garbage floating in the ocean The only thing about plasma barges is that I'm not sure what they would do with the energy I guess they'd have to maybe charge batteries for Tesla But you can power the ship and then maybe store some in the batteries to get you to the next area of Floating plastic that you're gonna parolize I Just like the the concept in my mind of plasma barges. It's very Star Wars like for totally I've worked a couple seasons on the plasma barges Mink spent a year at Elizabeth Town College in Lancaster County and says we had an incinerator Which we got to see for class. It was awesome and while different from Parolizing trash to plasma the incinerator had several similar problems One hidden benefit that I think you'd appreciate So it's an incredibly complex and non-intuitive to decide what you can and can't incinerate The net result was that everything went in the trash And was sorted at the facility while more things can be turned into plasma So there's less decisions to be made sorting at the facility means a change in what gets recycled And what doesn't is as simple as updating a few professionals rather than trying to do some sort of community update where they get The word out it really is just much nicer to throw away everything and not feel guilty about whether that type of plastic was Recyclable or if you just wasted water washing it off for no reason Also, I find the idea that we don't have enough trash to destroy Hilarious there will always be absurd amounts of waste and if there's a shortage some Enterprising American will find a way to monetize it says mink except Jeff From cooling off man. I'm sorry. Wait a minute. That's different somebody on Twitter And I guess I didn't put it in here I thought I did had sent us a link to an article about a German plant that was burning trash and and ran out And it had to start importing trash from other countries to feed its its trash power generator So that can run out of trash. There are a lot of of countries in well I guess we all know this but in especially in developing countries where a trash Just not even disposal is a big problem. You just pile them and create mountains of trash So yeah, maybe that could become a business opportunity and then Jeff from finally cooling off Manhattan Beach Says I'm not one to write into things, but I had to today I was listening to you talk about Plasmification yesterday and this is what I saw he sent us a picture of a DeLorean on the back of a flatbed truck He says that's right. Not only is it a DeLorean. It's the DeLorean complete with mr. Fusion coincidence. I think not not Yeah, well everybody's gearing up for the big back to the future celebration tomorrow October 21st I guess they're bringing one of the real DeLoreans or at least a pretty close facsimile by the picture somewhere in Manhattan Beach I should go down there. See if I can find it. Hey, thanks Jeff Thanks everybody for writing in and thank you Patrick Beja. I know you're feeling under the weather too So I especially appreciate the persistence and dedication today, man. It's awesome It is as always my pleasure Twitter comm slash not Patrick go to French spin comm to get Patrick's other fine podcast If you speak a little French, he actually covered safe harbor on the most recent La Ronde de Vutek Yeah, I did That's in at French spin on FR at French spin dot com We have well obviously pixels which is a show about the game where we do also cover the recent beta for the Star Wars themed game battlefront coming out in a couple of weeks and On the latest Phileas Club. We did something that was a little bit different We had a special episode with Turkey and actually Tom. Let me ask you how much do you know about Saudi Arabia? I knew virtually nothing and I can say that with certainty now after having listened to that episode And having Turkey I explain like okay I guess I thought it was like that but he's describing it in a way that's entirely different from what I thought so even when you're like Oh, well, I know women don't drive the way he explains how that works will totally change your perspective about what that means Yeah, thank you. Yeah, so basically what we you know Saudi Arabia usually you hear either, you know stories linked to terrorism or oil That's based or you know, it was funny though about the oil revenue. He's like no that one's actually pretty true So basically what we did is we spent an hour talking about stuff like how kids go to school and you know Traffic and Riyadh and a bunch of stuff. I thought it was very interesting. I hope you will too You can go listen to that that French spin.com the show is called the Phileas Club Absolutely. Thank you to our bosses the folks who make the show possible or partners if you prefer Daily tech new show comm slash support if you are willing to help us continue the show if you get some value out You want to get some value back go there either through patreon or paypal or our store You can buy yourself a dTns mug if you want daily tech news show comm slash support our email addresses feedback at daily tech news Show comm you can call us 51259 daily leave as a voicemail listen to the show live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern time at alpha geek radio comm and visit our website daily tech news show comm anytime you want back tomorrow with Nate Langston from Bloomberg UK and Scott Johnson Show is part of the broadcast network get more at frogpants.com My music was sound a little crunchy there. Yeah sounded crunchy for our I Know it's it's like the show's ending again. Hey, what should we call this? Oh, I Like both differently clever and clever in a different way Yeah, but it works okay, I like I was born reading Nice I Was born reading We'll give her the Nintendo Call me meba bite Well think about the clever titles is they don't pertain to any particular story really so They can they can sorry Mario the princess is in another console. Hey I was born reading It's almost true I started reading really early I Didn't do like oh New York Times See dick run run dick run run run run All right, I'm gonna go. Yes. Go get some rest. Hope you feel better man Good job Patrick wait a rally guys. Thanks chat room I always look here when I thank the chat room because that's the wind where the window of the chat room is You know, I should look here. Thanks chat room. Bye. Bye. Bye guys As I wave my robot hands moon Thanks for jumping in on the time story. That was cool There's one thing on this earth. I am qualified to talk about it. Just the new York Times Seriously, that's my local paper. Oh my gosh. Sorry. I'm not reacting to what you just said I'm reacting to Scott Johnson Responding to my note which you're you've probably you've probably got this email if you haven't seen it yet To Nate Langston and him about being on the show tomorrow and Scott responded better Nate than lever Even I even I have to shake my head I have no right to shake my head at any pun ever I Don't know much look forward to this showing up. Should we do I was born reading? No, no No, why not that's it winning the pole. I know but it's winning the pole for the wrong reasons See well, I need something now Ah You do what you want. I I leave it. You got nothing. I got nothing Got no preff Yeah, I don't All the news that fits around your eyeballs I'm gonna go that direction. I'm doing I was born reading. Well only because it's almost true. I Was born reading because it applies to you saying that and Patrick's catchphrase. Yeah, so I like it I'll go with it. I was born reading How many times you watch trailer, you know a number of times but not like obsessively because I Now I just wanted to be December 18th And I watched it a bunch I can probably half dozen times and then of course like I watched it a bunch And then Eileen got home and then we watched it twice again because she hadn't seen it yet Even though she'd already bought tickets. Yep. You know what? I'm really excited about is That it was on TV Which I thought was so smart because TV is are all of our best chances if you have basic, you know If you have basic networks or actually if you have cable because it was ESPN That you had that chance to see it in the full glory, which is as good as you're gonna get that's not Um You know in a full movie theater, which I'll probably try to go see something this weekend that has it But don't you you don't put your when you watch YouTube trailers. You don't put them up on your television No To me it wasn't so much about being on TV for that like I put the YouTube In fact the YouTube trailer showed up in my Twitter feed before it showed up on ESPN Yes, and I watched like 15 20 seconds before ESPN finally caught up And I was like, okay I'm gonna stop and watch it on the TV, but then as soon as I'd watched it on ESPN I turned off ESPN and I cast the YouTube to my television and watched it that way and The thing for me that was cool about ESPN was Again, that's sort of event Feeling yes of being like introduced to it by someone like here it is and now it's happening Even though I'd already seen the first 15 seconds. I still was like no, I want to experience it this way This is cool. This is like the presentation around it and the drama I know for some people that doesn't matter at all, but for me. I thought that was kind of cool Yeah, I agree and I love that and I was excited that it was It was getting people. I don't know. I just I was excited. I was happy about that Oh, if I hadn't been fighting movie tickets calm at the same time Well, that's actually that's in retrospect I should have called you and told you that they were on no two hours early. No, no, no I take that very seriously like well, I don't blame you. I did a periscope. Here's the thing I did a periscope saying that they were online that they were Selling them early and then I deleted it out of some weird feeling that like that was bad that I did it Yeah, I just I just happened to I went to the ticket site as soon as I got upstairs from court killers And I saw that they're like wait, I think they're already selling them Yeah, and the the worst thing was like Fandango Would just not work. I would go to Fandango.com and it would just like maybe I would get the page To see the listing but if I clicked it would just die movie tickets calm We kept taking me all the way through to seat selection over and over and then it would say okay Your seats have been selected you have five minutes to complete your purchase and never take me to the purchase page And then it would time out and close the page and I'd have to reload and go back I choose the seats again and it was maddening like if it had just not worked I probably would have gone on to Cinemark or something else earlier, but I kept thinking like oh, I I'm so close. I'm almost there almost there And it's just it was a miserable. It was a miserable way to sell tickets. Yeah, they should definitely Consider a different like all the theater owners get together and consider a different way of selling the tickets. Yep. I Agree and granted. There are lots of workarounds. I got tickets in the end. It's fine. You know, it's also Totally a first-world problem. You know, I get that so it's it's not like, you know, hey, this is more important than Syria or refugees I'm not trying to say that but You know this on on the small level of importance that it is to us like You can do this like there's lots of conferences and and big ticket items that that figure out how to handle the Influx of people all buying something at once and you should have known that was likely to happen Or and I don't mean to really say this but give it to a company that can handle scale. Yeah Like if you don't think that right now that someone from Google or Amazon is calling all the ticket places and be like, yo Hey, we're here. How are you doing or tickets calm? Yeah, or to get lizard, you know, right events.com scale. Yeah, somebody who has like Expertise in that particular problem of everybody wanting to buy something at the same time at the same time And I just knew I just knew in my heart in a way that I've known few other things in my life that Arclight was gonna fail. I just knew it. Oh, well, you were not wrong about that and but but it wasn't just arc light Every site except Cinemark. Yeah Cinemark worked for me only because correct Rob Krekkel told me like I went to the play of Vista page Yeah, and I was like, oh, so I sneaked in through the side door and I was able by then only to get second-row tickets But apparently like less popular theater for one thing And not having to go through the like main page to the find the movie to the see the movie times Was the trick there, but yeah, Eileen was like, I'll just go over there. Yeah, I think that's like a that's like a That was what I kept telling people online was like just go if you can go Knowing that of course, you know, that's a lot And I also like every time I when I left the arc light every single person I saw I said, did you know the tickets are on sale now and they were like what? They all went right. So I would really for arc light Hollywood. I am probably Responsible for a lot of people getting tickets just in the short term It was really and and the thing I hate about that is the idea that it wasn't my desire or willingness to put forth Effort that got me the tickets like a lot of people got tickets just because they happen to be in the right place at the Right time and that's not cool. And the thing about the Phantom Menace was you had to Dedicate be dedicated and put forth effort if you wanted to see it on opening minute and what and so that was fair I was like, no, I am not going to see it on the opening night I'll see it the next day and I will show up early enough to wait in line and I did and I saw it And I felt like that's fair. Even then I was like gosh, I wish there was a better way to buy in advance But you know apparently there's not I think there will be by the next Star Wars movie I'm just gonna make a guess. I bet I bet that they you know, it's two years of wealth Anthology, I'm not sure they'll have the same It's gonna take a while for this to I think for the excitement of this to ramp down. I really do but depends That's it's awful. Oh, right. Oh, that's true. That's true. I don't even want to I can't even think about it Really being awful. I just don't know if I can do it. So I want to share my theories about Luke But now you all have scared You can share them everybody who doesn't want to be spoiled. Don't Listen, just just share them with Jenny after we're done. All right. I I have been cowed by the forces of don't talk about anything ever Curbing my free speech rights It's the internet It's not it's people. I know in person I'd love to blame the internet I mean yesterday I posted I posted on Twitter my recent like oh, I love the trailer love the idea of them being legends and some is like spoiler I'm like, you're like you're just being a troll what I actually love really in genuinely love is the idea that Wait, I just lost my thought hold on. Wait, come back. Come back thought come back It's gone it's sailed away. It's alright Um No, I lost it. It's gone. Wow. That was amazing. Was it a theory about this about the movie? No, it was Whatever it was, it's just utterly gone. This is my life now The good days are the days when that happens and then I remember it later Yes Oh There's like last weekend I was like, oh, I actually remembered what I was trying to remember. Yeah, that's amazing Oh, I think I remember this is not exactly what I would think but the idea that now that Star Wars movies Are going to come out with semi regularity Mm-hmm is really exciting to me. It is to me too. Although. I hope I don't get tired of it and I Hope. Yeah, it's my new hope. I Know I was very excited about making that joke in the in the other slack I don't know if you saw but I was just all over that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Well, it's I know what Randy is saying in there. Yeah, Randy's like, yeah, but why are people so? Right into this and he's not I mean he's kind of saying I don't get it But I think he's also just as fascinated with like why does why not I feel like I intuitively understand it But I was trying to explain it. I was trying to explain my intuition It just seems to me like a basic duh. It's the JJ Ambrams While people may disagree about oh god, wait, I remembered what it was. I remember it What are you guys gonna do on current geek about Star Wars? What do you mean? What are we gonna do about it? Like are you gonna have any special programming? Oh? You know, I was thinking about that Earlier today because it's it's Friday and I'm like well, I'm gonna see it on Thursday And I think Scott got Thursday tickets to yeah, I was reading them right so then we can talk about it on current Well, obviously going to talk about it on spoiler in time for cord killers And then I'm gonna go see it again the Saturday after current geek, but yeah, maybe that Epis episode on the 19th, you know, can we we should book JJ I think yeah, well, that's yeah That's what I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah. No, we should I mean obviously we're not gonna put JJ But yeah, we should book with an eye towards like let's make it the Star Wars, you know The Star Wars episode I think that's a good idea So that's what I was thinking Like what are you gonna do about reporting spoilers in advance of the show? No, I'm just saying like what you're gonna do on that show Yeah, absolutely. I mean we should check with Scott obviously, but I'm all on board for that I'm kind of and then I was wondering if like there's a way to do It's so hard because it's like everybody's gonna want to talk about it and how do you How do you create all that in a manageable webcast? That's not just like No, you mean the actual content Yeah, you know, we have a show on the 18th on this show Yeah Are we allowed to do something that's Star Wars related and technology related? Maybe a good way to do it. I wouldn't want to force it. That's all but yeah, I'm not saying no either No, I wouldn't want to force it but I was I was thinking the way I look at that is like is there an idea that naturally presents itself Like can we have someone on to talk about online ticket buying? Who has the solution I'd be totally into that. Yeah for DTS That's my that's my thought is like how to think about it in a way that fits in So that we can talk about Star Wars and be excited and maybe just like in the post show Allow any contributors that have seen it. I won't have seen it by that point which will be well Is what current geek will be which is like all of us talking about yeah having seen it, right? And that's what your current geek is for post show for DTS that day. Definitely will be a spoilers on Garrett tea. Yeah, I think that's cool to like ask contributors if they want to jump in. I'd love that. Yeah, I feel like That's a good thing. Although I can't believe I'm now seeing it Friday 8 p.m. Which is tough, but oh shit That's your first viewing, right? Yeah Hmm Maybe I'll have to fix that I don't know how you do that at this point Nothing's impossible, especially when you have a whole road to barter, but it's hard It's actually hard because it's 32 People that all think they're seeing it for the first time. So it's hard. It would be hard for me to like Yeah, I'd go be a dick, right? Because you are and you are seeing it on opening day. Yeah, I mean, that's the Opening day, right? Friday 8 p.m. Is the classic one and there would have been people that definitely wouldn't have been able to do it with us If it was on a Thursday. Yeah, yeah, there's a midnight or whatever. All right with this this bears further discussion Literally offline. Yes By that I mean like when we meet in person, but also online but not on air Goodbye everybody. We'll figure this out send us ideas feedback at daily tech news.com. Good. Bye