 This, wait, captioning. This is an official live stream of the CNCF and as such is subject to the CNCF Code of Conduct. Please do not add anything to the chat or questions that would be in violation of that Code of Conduct. Basically, be respectful of all your fellow participants and presenters. And with that out of the way, welcome to CNC Faceoff, the game where our waffles are the shape of Chicago and we serve St. Louis style cut bagels in the green room. It is great. It is with great privilege and honor. I wanna introduce our host live from Chicago but from Dev of States, Houston, the ever luscious Maddie Stratton. Welcome to the semifinal round of CNC Faceoff. The winner of this round will move on to face the SRE Street Band in our very final episode, which will be taking place the week before Kubecon date to be announced exactly because it depends on who wins. And they will be the recipients of the coveted CNC Faceoff Cup. And we'll be making a big deal about that at Kubecon, both virtually and in person, whichever way you are choosing to participate in your Kubecon this year. So let's get started before we get into the game. We're gonna meet our players and then we'll talk a little bit about how the game works. So first is the champion of episode one of CNC Faceoff, the Rhodes Galleries and our first player, there is a cat. Cat, welcome back to this prestigious honor of being here at the semis. Prestigious, yes. Hello everybody. My name is Cat Cosgrove. I am a staff developer advocate at Pulumi. And last time we kind of cleaned house, even though Rich doesn't know what animals are, I guess, and we're all never gonna forgive him for that, but we'll try to move on as a team. Thanks for having me. The next player on the Rhodes Gallery was Mr. Tim Banks. So Tim, you know, kind of going into semis, you got probably a lot going on in the mental game here. What's your plan for victory today? My main goal for victory is to talk so much smack about Chicago that Matt slips up and gives us the answers. I was gonna say, maybe you spend so much time talking shit about Chicago that we don't actually end up playing the game at all. You know, that might work possibly. I mean, that's probably a good plan too, but we wanna at least have a chance to soundly beat the Tinkerbell team because, you know, because as I understand, you have to paddle Tinkerbell to make it work, right? Oh my God. So I've heard, so I've heard. And then speaking of the bottom, the anchor of the Rhodes Gallery is Rich, so Rich. Rich, you kind of, you know, are coming into this a little bit of the underrated, you know, what are you thinking? You know, you got some bad press after your last appearance. So is that gonna mess with your head today, do you think? Not at all. I've been watching a lot of 90s professional wrestling lately and, you know, getting inspired to break some people in half. Fantastic, we're gonna break it off. All right, so facing off against the Rhodes Gallery, we have our other contestants in the semis and the Tinkerbells. So kicking things off with us there is David. So David, I understand that a CNC face-off is done a little bit differently in Europe than it is in America. Is that gonna throw you here in the semis? Well, you mean the semis, right? I don't know, are you gonna get relegated? Is that a thing? Nice. Well, it's not a semis, it's the semis, but I know we'll leave that little full past side for now. Maybe that's a Chicago thing, I'm not entirely sure. But it's a pleasure to be here and I'm excited. To win this one as easily as we won the last one. Right, team? I don't know, next player here, coming in from team Tinkerbell is Jeremy. So Jeremy, you know, I think you gave quite a performance in the earlier appearance and can your fans expect more of the same? Absolutely. Today, we choose violence also and a tiny amount of love to our friend Marty who's not able to be with us today. And said, yes, so Marty or, you know, Maddie or however, Martin, whatever we're both confusing ourselves, Marty Markey. So yeah, unfortunately, so Markey was the third member of team Tinkerbell and is unable to participate today, but filling in is, sorry, is Mark. So Mark as opposed to Markey. So that's good, that's a good swap. Do you think filling those shoes is gonna be just as easy as just dropping a Y off the name? That's the first time I've ever played this game but I'm feeling incredibly confident. I think listening to some of the green room talk just before we went live, we got this one in the bag. Fantastic. So if you are joining us, thank you for doing. So if you aren't, then I hate you, but let's go ahead and get into the game. So Paul, if we're getting ready to, are we ready for our first face-off, Mr. Sarkowski? We are absolutely ready to go. Okay, so facing off first will be a cat facing off against David. So if you can get your hands on your virtual buzzers, either the top or the bottom of the buzzer, that's your call. I'm not here to judge. We'll go ahead and see what our first question is. So we have asked hundreds of software engineers, if you didn't work in tech, what would your profession be? What do you think is the top answer? Buzzing in first was cat. So cat, what's your guess? Lama Farmer. Show me Lama Farmer. Survey says. Damn. No. So David has the ability to steal. So David, if you can guess an answer, actually, no, this isn't a steal, right? They just get to play. All right, David, we'll start with you then. I'm kind of torn between exotic dancer or lawyer. I think I'll go for lawyer. All right, survey says show me lawyer. Oh, first strike for team Tinkerbell. All right, Jeremy. That's surprising because I know a lot of people who do open source license wearing for free on Twitter. Well, yeah, so it's not really that lucrative because people are willing to do it for free, whether you want them to or not. Yeah, you're not a chance to give it away for free. That's true, that's true, you're just a hobbyist. Jeremy, what are you thinking here? We asked hundreds of software, cloud native software engineers if they didn't work in tech, what would their profession be? Obviously, it's on the board. Woodworker, Dejapetro life. Show me a woodworker or carpenter. Survey says. Damn, really? No, carpenter. Okay, so we've got one good move there. All right, Mark, again, we've asked hundreds of cloud native engineers if they didn't work in tech, what would their profession be? You still got two strikes left and five more possible answers on the board. Wait, it was or it wasn't? Yak Shaver. Yak Shaver? Did I hear that right? Yeah. Show me Yak Shaver. Survey says. No, it's gonna be tough here to pull these off here, but all right, David's back to you. There's four points at stake right now. If you get this wrong, then the Rogues Gallery has a chance to steal. You've got five answers in one strike. If you didn't work in tech, what might your profession be? What do you think were the top five answers? Just any of them, for that matter, to be fair. Architect. Show me architect. No, all right, so Rogues Gallery, you have the chance to steal. You confer among yourselves, you come up with one answer. If that answer is on the board, you will steal those points, plus the four big points that are on the board. All right, Matt, what are you thinking? I think Tinker Bell still actually has one more shot because the first one was actually for the first question because I hit the wrong button. Oh, they got three wrong answers. They actually got three wrong answers. No, they got three wrong answers. They did. The first strike that's on the left was for Kat. Oh, yes, okay. There's four, yeah, no, we're good, we're good. We had a break, I forgot how this works. It's been a while. See how they do, right? Can we start again? Okay, so I think that the answer should be that I would not work. Like I would prefer to just not do labor. So I was gonna say musician, but that's about the same thing. I know a lot of engineers who are musicians. That was actually what I was gonna suggest to you. Yeah, but it's basically not like working. So I mean, it was the last thing your time you heard of an employed musician. As a musician? Yeah. I mean, session folks, you know, your session players, they work. Yeah, but they're all gig workers. They're like Uber drivers of music. A countdown timer? So are we going musician or are we going? Yeah, I was gonna say, we're gonna need an answer here, Robes. I like musician, but I'll leave it up to you. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I could take musician, like technically not working as in a profession, although I think that the majority of my friends would answer this question that I would not labor, but I think we can go musician. Rich is chill? Sure. All right, show me musician. Oh, we already did, here we go. It was number two answer on the board. So that means it'll be 16 points to the rogues, but let's see what the remaining answers on the board were. I'll show me, I'd be an idol rich or a person of leisure was one of the choices. Person of leisure? That's some incredibly powerful, like rich white person. Wait, wait, wait. Person of leisure, not unemployed, not deadbeat, not welfare recipient, but person of leisure. There's a difference. It's because it's like the idol rich, right? The idea is huge. That's how I know you ain't interviewed no black people. Oh my God, Tim. Also, idol rich is a very specific answer for rich. Yeah. What else do we have? What's the next answer on the board? A bartender or server of some kind? Yeah. Okay, so. You know what? Teacher, is number one teacher? And number one is teacher, yes. Of course it is. Now, as a reminder, if people are not sure, just remember, some of these are concatenated answers like put together and when we look for patterns. So if that's someone gonna be picky about bartender slash server, it was. Does concatenated mean made up? Probably. Pulled out of your backside. This is done very scientifically. Let's move on to the next round. So this is gonna be. No question, just accept it. Let's move on. We pulled tens of software developers to get these answers. We did, we really did. So we've got for our next face off is Jeremy versus Tim. Hands on your buzzers. Jeremy versus Tim. Okay, hold on. Let me get it. We're good. Okay, are you all ready? Okay, let's see our first question. What CNCF should it? It should say locked. It won't, I won't unlock it until I'm done reading the question out loud. So which CNCF project, not Kubernetes, has your favorite logo? Okay, Tim is our first buzzer. Tim, what do you think is the most popular answer? Wait, do I want the logo or do I want the project? It's the project. Which project? The most popular CNCF project would be? With the most popular logo. The question was, which project has your favorite logo? What do you think was the most popular answer? Oh, gosh, let's go here with, God damn it. Let's go with Argo. Show me Argo. Hell yeah. Argo was the number one answer on the board. So that means the robes will play. And we go to you next, Rich. Now you had, it was a similar question to this that got you into so much hot water with Cat last time. So I want you to think carefully. You do have three strikes. Where'd it go? Rich, Rich. This is a hard one. You have three strikes to get four answers. You're in really good shape right now. It would take a lot of work to sort this up. I'm not sure I know any CNCF project. Oh my God. That's fair. Besides Kubernetes. Last. Flux. Are you just making sounds? No, that's a project. What was it? Flux. Oh, Flux. I thought you said Flux. Show me Flux. Oh, we already saw that was a, okay. All right, so there's one strike. We go to Cat. Cat, you got two strikes, you got four answers on the board for the favorite non-Kubernetes logo in the CNCF project. Favorite non-Kubernetes logo. I'm going to go Yeager. Show me Yeager. Survey says, number three answer, excellent. Okay, we're moving on along. Tim, you got three more answers on the board, two strikes to go. Just know that if you get a strike here, it's gonna come all right down to Rich again and that's just not gonna go well for anybody, I don't think, especially Rich. Not to put too much pressure on you. I don't think. Let's go with crossplane. Show me crossplane. Survey says, no. Come on, man. It's a goddamn trans-pride ice cream bar. I mean, a pan-pride ice cream bar. Yeah. Rich, you got three choices, one strike for non-Kubernetes CNCF project favorite logo. I'm gonna say Envoy. Show me Envoy. Survey says, no. Oh, my God. So this gives Tinkerbell the chance to steal. So Tinkerbell, if you're able to collectively come together, so Jeremy, talk to your team. If you can grab one of those three remaining answers, those 13 points will be yours. So I think the correct answer is daily presence, but I think it's such a niche project that we should play it safe and go with either Opa or Falco. What do you think? My three were Prometheus, Fluent D, and Opa. So I was also on Prometheus. I liked the fire. There's also Dragonfly. I don't actually know what it does, but it looks like a sort of umbrella. I seem to remember. Perhaps upside down umbrella. All right. You both said Prometheus. Will we go with Prometheus? Jeremy, give us an answer. Prometheus, please. All right. Show me Prometheus. Survey says, no. The points will go to the Rogues Gallery, but let's see what the three answers are remaining on the board. I'll go ahead and flip them. Okay. We got Opa. Opa Policy Agent was number two. Next we have... Oh, I think he's gotta be on there, right? I don't know. I don't know. That actually should be number one. I can't move in. You know what? I respect that. No thoughts, head empty. The final answer was... Harbour. Harbour? Really, Fluent D's not on there. Fluent D's logo is incredible. Shit, shit. We have a problem. Do we? You didn't get... Oh, did you give the points to them already? Yeah, we got the points already. You gave the points before you revealed more answers. Okay, sorry. I misunderstood. Paul, you are, as always, completely on top of things. All right. I think we're gonna be able to get four rounds in here. So let's go into our third round. This will be Rich facing off versus Mark. I'm gonna go ahead and reset our buzzers already. Contestants, hands on your buzzers. Paul, let's see our next question. Next survey question was named something appealing about working from home. Rich buzzes in first. Rich, name and answer. Not having to wear pants. Show me I don't have to wear pants. Survey says... That is the number three answer on the board, which means I believe Mark gets a chance to guess for the number one answer. If Mark gets the number one answer, then they'll play. Mark, what's your guess? If no pants is number three, then maybe people will be a bit more serious about these questions. So I'm gonna go for no commute. Show me there is no commute. All right, Tinkerbell will play. Okay, so this goes to you now, David. There's three answers left. No strikes, name something appealing about working from home. All right, let's go for cuddles with the pets. Show me I can cuddle with my pets. There we go, dogs, cats, or other pets. All right, Jeremy, two answers and no strikes. You're sitting pretty. Name something appealing about working from home. I am sitting pretty. I enjoy using my own restroom. Show me my own restroom. Show me I've got my own crap. No. All right, Mark, two more answers and two strikes. Can you name something appealing? We asked hundreds of CNCF cloud native engineers. Name something appealing about working from home. Okay, let me think this through. I was thinking proximity to fridge, but I'm gonna go with proximity to bed. Show me it's close to my bed. Survey says, ease of naps. Okay, David, you can bring it all home here if you're able to guess the number four answer on the board of something appealing about working from home. All right, let's go for breakfast beer. Show me I can have a beer with my breakfast. No. Damn. All right, Jeremy, see if you can get this last one and all these points can be yours. Okay, well, if dogs, cats, pets is on there. Our competitors and friends who saw them in the green room earlier. Proximity of your kids, family. Show me kids or family are around. Survey says, no. All right, ROVES, you have the chance to steal. So this is a, you gotta get that one. I'm thinking maybe better food or like, you know, food. Or, yeah, or you can like, you can take a shower whenever you want. You can shower at your leisure, but that. These are software developers. I don't think showers can be really high on the list, man. I shower. I mean, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not having to be around people. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. My own hardware. Like my own keyboard and stuff like that. Hmm. Like keyboard desk setup kind of thing. I think that was a downside early on in the panopticon though, you know, cause people had like issues with their home office setups cause they weren't used to having to work from home. Some people, but all the, all the mechanical keyboard nerds were like loving it. Oh, you mean like me? Yeah, yeah. Let me tell you about my mechanical keyboard. Exactly. Let me tell you about my mechanical keyboard. I have Cherry MX blues because they're loud as shit. It sounds like there's a team of horses in my living room. Some mechanical keyboard people are the Chicagoans of accessory lovers. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably true. They're square. The keys are square, right? Maybe for a lot of people, maybe it is for relative quiet is the upside. Like you're not in an open office plan, right? Like being in an open office drove me absolutely apeshit. I hate it. That's why I don't work in offices. So how do, how do we put the button like like quiet office, office setup, office environment? Yeah, maybe like just, just not in an open office, the quiet. Yeah. I like that, Rich. What do you say? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. So what's, what's that final answer, Rich? Quiet. Not in the room. Show me it's quiet. No. All right. Which means there's the ones, by the way. We'll go over to... Wait, what's for? We're going to show you after he moved after Paul sends the points on over. So give those 42 points to the ropes. And what was the remaining answer? Flexibility in your schedule. I would have accepted can shower anytime you want. Oh man. No, but this is exciting. So this final round will really matter. So we're going into our final round. We're going to have Kat facing off again versus David. Contestants, got your hands on your buzzers? Let's see our last question that will decide who is going to the final round to compete for the coveted CNCF Cup. What is the main way that you communicate with your friends? Kat buzzes in first. Kat, what's the number one answer? Kat is on mute. I'm mute. Oh, signal. Show me signal. Everybody says, that's the number four answer. David, you can steal if you can name the number one answer on the board or the main way to communicate, Pete, that these surveyed engineers communicate with their friends. And I'm going to get some text message or iMessage. Show me text message. Survey says, number one answer on the board, which means Tinkerbell will play. But don't worry. There's a lot of answers still out here. Opportunity to steal. We go to Jeremy. Jeremy, what's the main way you communicate with friends? Let's see our top answers. What's left? The phone. Show me the telephone. That's good. No, not at all. All right. Mark, still two strikes to go, but five answers to reveal. What is the main way you communicate with friends? By the way, there was, we tried to do the thing where they like, they tapped the cards on their hands. Yeah, it got me in the zone. The answer's here, which is more than some of the others. So I'm imagining some people will be in a facetious. I'm going to say one of the answers in here is what friends? Show me, I don't even have friends to talk to. No, okay. Lots of pressure here, David. Nice try. And as I see the math working out, if we are in a position of a steal, would turn everything around. All right, David. David, do you have friends? Can you relate to this question? No, no, that's called no. No. Show me playing stupid online game shows hosted by Matty. I mean, he's going to say Yodel. No, we use smoke signals in Scotland, but I'm going to go with Twitter. Show me Twitter. That's the number six answer. All right, so still alive, still alive. Four answers to go. Jeremy, what do you got for us? In person or let's go with Discord. That's a tool. Show me Discord for developers. Discord is the number three answer, which means we surveyed cat mostly. All right. Sounds like it. All right, Mark, got three more answers, but only one strike left to go for the main way to communicate with friends. All right, Slack's got to be in here somewhere. Slack. Show me Slack. That is so embarrassing, actually. Like honestly, genuinely, that is so embarrassing. Slack is a work tool, y'all. It is a work tool. Please, I'm begging you to interact with humans outside of work. I mean, Salesforce chat or work buddies. I've got to be honest. Of all the Slack channels I'm in, like maybe one is work. Really? All of mine are work and none of my Discord's are work. I do not use Discord for work. It stresses me out. Do not ever DM me about work on Discord, y'all. Ever. All right, David. It is David next, right? Yep, that was... Yeah, it's me next. And I'm tempted to say email, but I'm gonna forget and I'm gonna say in real life, a bar with beer, so... Show me in real life, in person, possibly with beer. Survey says no. Oh, fuck. Okay. Oh, that's two. All right, Kat. What do you mean that? That was two, David. Oop. Oh. I had the first one. Oh, shit. I didn't realize we had our course so early. We just lost our TV 13. We have now moved into TVMA. All right, that being said, we just got a couple of minutes. This is it, right here. This is it, okay. If the Rogues Galleries, if you can steal, you will be going on to the finals. If you are not able to steal, it will go to Team Tinkerbell. You got two possibilities. I'm thinking like Zoom, Zoom video chat. I was gonna guess WhatsApp. WhatsApp is outrageously popular as a messaging platform. It is. I have lots of friends who only use WhatsApp, especially when they're talking to people who live in other countries, but... But yeah, I think Zoom, Zoom slash video chat of some kind. Like a lot of people do that now, especially in the pandemic. We all do video chat, stuff like that. So I think that's what I think. I think video chat. Rich, do you have input? Yeah, Zoom. You're also on Zoom? Okay, well, I'm outvoted. So we'll go video chat. Look at it this way. Even if we're wrong, then you can gloat. That's true. Yeah, yeah. So I win either way. Either I'm going to the finals or I get to Lord over Tim and Rich for an indeterminate period of time. So there's not a downside for me here. Yeah, video chat. Show me Zoom slash video chat. And the survey says... X is already... Or is that the answer? No! The survey says I get to gloat. Yeah. 43 points are awarded to Team Tinkerbell. And after we move those two points on over, let's see what the two remaining answers on the board were. If you don't mind if they're dramatically at the... So Yodeling could have actually worked through there, but the number two answer just to really drive it home is... Oh, wow. That's even better. Not only was Cat... Not only was not... Not only were we wrong, but Cat was right. And we would have won. I'm going to be insufferable about this for... I figure like two weeks is fair, like at minimum. Well, Leading? I'm just going to block you on Twitter right now. You think I don't have all this, Rich? Let's see. But, Cat... Rich, I have like five Twitter accounts. What are you going to do? Cat, if you only do it for a couple of weeks, you won't be able to gloat at Cubepan. So I think you do need to extend to a little longer. That's true. Yeah, I should drag it out. I need some. Yeah, yeah. So that's... I think the only problem is that this is like 17 people actually watching this. So I don't know. I have 25,000 Twitter followers. You do. No one's going to know the fact you're talking about. Oh, but it will be recorded. Do we have a lot of replay value on this show? Yeah, why don't we have 25,000 viewers, Cat? What are you doing? Yeah, yeah. That brings us to... I could just mostly... That's true. Yeah, yeah. PeterPG13. This brings us to the end of our episode, the end of the finals. So Team Tinkerbell will be moving on to face the SRE Street Band. Take... Make sure that you are subscribed to CNCF TV to know when this is coming up and follow me on Twitter at Matt Stratton and then you'll also know. And that's going to bring us out. And as always, there's nothing more coveted than a shitty Photoshop of a trophy. Wait, is that it? That was your sign-off line? That was your sign-off line, Matt. That's the best you've come up with. Sorry, should I hit Stop Stramming now or what's going on? Oh, yeah. I mean, sorry. I burped into the microphone. That was great. I'll go ahead and hit Stop Stramming.