 He has always been fair in his assessment of the lawsuit. Doesn't mean he has said he agrees with me. I just said he's been fair in his assessment. It's a difficult situation, especially for somebody who's new into our community. I mentioned on his show my appreciation for the altar persons that did meet with me. These were altar persons Don Van Akron, Richard Manning, Vicki Meyer, and Marilyn Montemire. I meant to, but forgot to mention, altar persons Geoff Ratke, Jim Groff, Jean Kittleson, and Dennis Bauman, who had wanted to meet, but were unable to. I'm sorry for neglecting that. I am still perplexed, though, that the other altar persons did not want to receive the information that I had. I just can't see how having information could be a bad thing. I listened to many of you say, and this has been said by many of you, if it's not broken, why fix it? Well, it is broken if the city is in a lawsuit over the use of room tax. Many businesses that depend on tourism are behind in their payments to the city. This can be checked, the city records. And again, the debt, if I win this lawsuit, is just tremendous to the average taxpayers. I lose sleep over this. That's why I bring it up constantly. It's kind of like, do I want to win the lawsuit? I want to win it because I want misuse of room tax to stop, but I also don't want over $200 added to every tax bill in this city. My attorney will not waste any more time trying to get a settlement. He said it will have to come from the city. I would strongly suggest that all of you do just that, instruct the city attorney to get into negotiations for a settlement. It's called negotiations. When I offered a settlement, that wasn't the end. You could have told the city attorney, the terms aren't acceptable. This is what we instruct you to go back to the table. I would suggest no more petty games, lay your cards on the table. If the offer is reasonable, it's going to be a win-win for all involved. Thank you all for your time again. Thank you, Susan. Finally on the list is Frank Kozan. Mr. Kozan, can you give me your home address again, please? 2829 Erie Avenue. And would you please tell me when four minutes have expired? Excuse me, when what? When four minutes have expired. Four minutes, certainly. And you will have five minutes. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to the common council again. Shaborgan Press reported that the potential location for the new police station has been narrowed down to six sites. It's interesting to see that the new first choice is next to City Hall, a site that was never mentioned in all the previous debate, over where to build a new police station. And looking at today's agenda, another site has just surfaced. That is the Vandervaart property. These are two widely differing sites. Each hold unique possibilities that are worth exploring. Now these two new possibilities, I believe, are a result of a superior process, one which has involved many people offering creative ideas instead of just a small group, that is the Building Use Committee, offering a limited range of options, and then manipulating the way the vote would go in order to get the result they desired, and thus support the desire of the people who want to save Sheridan Park. It looks like the new process has already shown more promise for finally accomplishing what everybody wants, which is, of course, the long overdue construction of an up-to-date station that fully meets the needs of our police force now and in the future. Please think about expansion. I hope that the next steps toward making the ultimate selection of the site will display an effort to consider all significant facts that bear on the selection and neither overlook nor ignore important items that should go into this very important decision. I bring this up because of what was not brought to light in the timely fashion during the debate over using Sheridan Park. It was never brought to light that the TIF, Tax and Criminal Finance District before District 1 was going to expire, and that about a million dollars was going to go to the city's coffers instead of being used to pay off the bonds which financed construction in that district. This simple fact destroys any former argument that Sheridan Park should have been the site because it would not impact the tax base. It turns out that using Sheridan Park instead of the Imperial Motel site, which of course is out of the question now, would have made a difference of $25,045 a year. That is, for the cost of about $0.50 per city resident per year, a park could be preserved rather than be destroyed. Another fact that did not come to light in the timely fashion was that planning for phase three of the rural plan is ready to begin. The significance of that is phase three includes Sheridan Park and the residential and commercial neighborhoods surrounding it. This simple fact is a rebuke to those alderman who called the Sheridan Park neighborhood an area in decline that's insulting. Rather than declining, the neighborhoods surrounding Sheridan Park are slated to be improved, and Sheridan Park itself represents an asset of unquestionable value to neighborhoods on the rise. My plea to the Common Council is to be thorough in paying attention to every conceivable detail so that when the final decision is reached, there will be no recriminations that information was held or ignored or that the process was slanted to produce a predetermined outcome. Please be conscientious to a fault and bring open and impartial minds to the decision-making process that can choose a site which, once and for all, will serve the best interests of every stakeholder. Now, the one final comment I would like to make is to applaud the older persons who saw fit to change their mind about using Sheridan Park and voted to rescind the previous decision. Their decision to change their minds is vindicated by the facts I mentioned before. The expiration of the District 1 Tax and Criminal Finance District and the monies it brings to the city. Thank you. Totally offsets any impact to the tax base as a result of preserving Sheridan Park. It's a moot point. Doesn't matter one bit. And the onset of phase three and the promising future of a rejuvenated Sheridan Park neighborhood area fully justifies their decision to change their minds. These older persons should be acknowledged for showing flexibility, open-mindedness, and courage. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cosam. That's it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Sue. Next item we have, the Mayor's Report. Honorable older persons, if you would please refer to your, I suppose we can call it a blue binder. But if you would just please refer to this binder. This is a binder that I had put together for your benefit, for your use. It has information about every department that makes up our city government, contact persons, names, emails, vital information. Just about anything you can think of is in here. If there is something that's not in here that you would like, please let me know or my secretary know and we will include it here. I've done this because I feel that it's important that you have readily available to you this kind of information. So this is for you to take home with you and carry it wherever you want to and use it as a handy reference tool to give you the information that you need. And for the benefit of the public, we also have a copy of the same binder in my office and we have a copy at the library. So the public also may have access to the same information that you have. Wanted to thank all the department heads. They did a tremendous job of putting their information together and in particular, Mary Rajar who actually did all the sorting and putting it together and it took her a while to do but I think you will find it a very, very valuable, handy resource manual for your personal use. So enjoy. The other thing that I would like to report to you is a project that I've asked former Alderman Bill Wagemann who is our city historian to work on and that is a project that came about as a result of a few people asking why haven't you done this? Why hasn't the city done this? And from what I understand, it's been talked about before but it's never been done. And that is why have we not recognized part-time mayors? For the longest time, Sheboygan had part-time paid mayors. The only ones that are recognized are the full-time mayors. So we are doing the research. Hopefully get the names of dates they serve, perhaps a little photo. We'll be asking the public if they have any information regarding any other kins or relatives that they know of that would serve as mayors to please help us out with putting this project together so that we can properly honor all these part-time mayors that have served us so well. The next thing that I'd like to report to you is just a brief update on the Sheridan Park Revitalization Program. It's still going on. It's so easy to say you need to move a little faster. Things aren't happening. Well, things are happening but they're happening at the planning stage. There's meetings being held. There's people being talked to. There's conceptual framework of the phases being put together. Susan Hart is doing a tremendous job working on this project but you have to understand that the 4th of July parade and festivities are taking a huge amount of our time right now. That's not including my time and Mary Rager's time. So until we get that project done and completed or going, then we'll be working full blast on the Sheridan Park Revitalization Project. But again, bear in mind that's not me. We're not working on it as we move along. We are, but it's a lot of the planning part of it that's being worked on. And I may add that since the last time that I talked about this there have been other people in the community that have stepped up to the plate and want to help also. So the response has been quite fantastic. The other thing that I would like to share with you tonight is if you would please, and I'm sure some of you do, but for those of you who don't, visit our website. It's undergoing change. Positive change, good change. And we're trying to make that website, Margie is doing such a great job with it, but we're trying to make that website user friendly. We want to make sure that people can navigate that website easily without very little difficulty because you can't access the information. Most people will just quit and say, I'm done. So it has to be very user friendly, very easy to navigate. And then the other thing that we're working on is making sure that the information that's provided on our website is current and that it's kept current because if information is not current, it doesn't do the person who wants to retrieve that information any good. It's not good, it's old information. So as you go through your day, if you have some time, please visit the website. Again, if you have suggestions to make that will make that website more attractive, more user friendly, please, please make those suggestions to my office or to Margie. The whole goal of this is how do we present ourselves to the community? How do we present ourselves to other municipalities or to people who would like perhaps to come visit or find out a little bit about Sheboygan? That's what it's all about. How do we present ourselves in the best light possible? And that's what we're gonna work very hard at using all sources of media, medium, and one of them will be the website. And finally, one thing that I wanted to talk about is just share with you some thoughts. Again, people everywhere I go, grocery store or anywhere I go, I always have people stop me and talk to me. And that's part of the fun part of being mayor, I think, when you're out in the community talking to people. But I've been asked lots and lots of times, why don't you respond back when the radio is talking about the city and the mayor? I don't purposely. And by that I mean that I will not engage in debate over the radio or the newspaper. I think the proper forum for debate is right here. This is where we conduct our business. But I think more importantly, I don't have time. My day is so busy, it's incredible. I mean, I would have to sit there in front of the radio for three or four hours to really get a full grasp of what's being said and how I should call in and respond. And then it would be just a back and forth type of thing. So really, I don't have time. It's a very busy, the days are very busy. Because I don't, I don't want that interpreted to mean that I will not stand up for the city or that I will not fight for a position or so forth. I just can't. I don't have the time and I'd rather not debate issues via the public radio. What I will be doing, and thanks to Mr. Negri, is have a 30 minute program. And I don't know what Mr. Reed's gonna call it, but it's a 30 minute program where the mayor goes to the radio station and talks for 30 minutes about things that are going on in the city. And again, if any one of you have anything, anything that you'd like for me to share with the community, let me know. But the talk will be at 1130, the Tuesday after the second council meeting, which is tomorrow. So I will be on the radio for 30 minutes. It is if the offer is still good and talk to the public about key issues in the community, but I will not respond on a daily basis as the radio talk goes along. And then finally, just to finish off the report, I talk about open government and responsive government. And I do so because I believe it. I believe it very, very strongly. So if anybody has any issues that they would like to talk about, all they have to do is come to the office, call, set a meeting, I'll even come to your house if you want to talk to me there. But the idea is that if there are questions in someone's mind about city issues that I can share with you, all you have to do is call. And I will be glad to talk to anyone. Thank you very much. And we will move on. Consent agenda 61 through 626, Alden Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. Before I make a motion on the consent agenda, I'd just like to thank you and your staff for putting this blue binder together as well as all the department heads for supplying all the information because it was something that I think we desperately needed. I've been in Alderman for quite a few years now. I don't think we've ever had a handy reference like this other than the city clerk when you were looking for some information on what departments we're doing and so forth. So it's nice to have this. You're welcome. And then with that, I would move that. All items 61 through 626 on the consent agenda that all are always be accepted and placed on file, all our Cs be accepted and adopted, and we pass all resolutions. There's a motion in a second. Under discussion, Alderman Meier. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would ask that on document 613, the average operators license 6796 be pulled out and voted separately. Okay. There's a request to pull 613 for a separate vote. It's an RC by law and license in recommending various granting various licenses. Is there a motion to adopt the report of committee? I just need license number 6796 taken off of the law and licensing and voted on separately. Just that one. She's just turning him on here. She just wants that pulled out. Okay. We are pulling out license number 6796, Victoria Meier. A beverage operator's license out. And I believe you want to abstain from that. Right. Correct? We need to abstain. Okay. So is there a motion to that effect? Some moves. Motion in second. Any discussion? Not all those in favor, state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Abstentions? Motion carries. Okay. Any other item to be pulled out? Otherwise we will vote on 61 through 626, except in 613. The balance of 613. You would do the balance. The balance of 613. Stand corrected. And there is a motion before I believe in the second. Under discussion. Not all those in favor, state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. We are on motion to get the roll call. Would you like a roll call? I think you have to have it. D-Berg. Aye. E-Berg. Aye. Serta. Aye. Davis. Aye. Graf. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Manny. Aye. Meier. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Radke. Aye. Sugali. Aye. Steffen. Aye. Sousha. Communications and petitions 627 to 633. To be referred. Report of officers to 634. By City Clerk, submitting a communication from Alderman Radke, Serta, and Sugali, stating that they were submitting another site to the council for consideration for the new police station. The Vandervaard property along South Business Drive from Broadway North to just south of Georgia Avenue and requesting that this site be submitted to Zimmerman to evaluate during their 30-day window as seventh possible site for a police station. Alderman Radke. Thank you, Your Honor. I would like to take that along with documents towards it back here, 672, if we may, and vote to file 634, and then take 678, not 67, what, not 672, 678, I'm sorry, 678, got the number wrong there. Okay. The resolution authorizing the Zimmerman Design Group to form police department of the site studies and add the Vandervaard property to that, I'd like to amend that, to add Vandervaard and to delete the property in South Business Drive. Delete the property on South Business Drive and Broadway Avenue and to also delete the bus transfer station. Okay. Could you say it again, Alderman Radke, you want to delete what? Property on South Business Drive? We want to delete the property at South Business Drive and Broadway Avenue. And Broadway. And also the bus transfer station and add the Vandervaard property in its place. So you're going down to five then? I'm going to actually take down to five. And there was a second. Okay. Thank you. Take both like that, Steve? Take both like that? Or should we act on one piece? Excuse me. Is he making a motion? Pardon me. The motion just to pass. I'll verify the motion here. Alderman Radke, are you making a motion to accept and file your RO and to make an amendment? Yes, ma'am. At the same time. Do we want to just do one at a time maybe? I think we need to do it. We can take them one after another but shouldn't we do it one at a time and accept and file the RO first? Sure. Would that be okay? Okay. There's a motion to accept and file RO 634 as our second. There's a motion to second. Under discussion. Do you want to roll call too? Yeah. Call the roll, please. Somebody call the buzzer. I'm sorry. Alderman Cigali. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess I'm not understanding this process. I'm not understanding why this is being filed. 634. And then I guess I'm not understanding the whole process here. I don't understand. Me and Bonnie and Jeff submitted on another proposal, another site. So why is this now being filed? Cigali, what this is is the RO would actually be accepting and placing on file and approving your request is what the motion is for this. You have in the document to submit this site to Zimmerman by voting yes. That's exactly what you're doing is to submit this to Zimmerman. Okay. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So motion to accept and file report of officer 634. Please call the roll. Eberg. Aye. Serta. Aye. Davis. Aye. Graf. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Manny. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Radke. Aye. Eberg. Aye. 16 ayes. Motion passes. Alderman Ratke. Alderman Ratke, if you'd like. You would probably need to make a motion. First Alderman Ratke to pass the resolution. And then we'll go to the amendment. I would like to make a motion on resolution 678 that be put upon its passage. Thank you. But I'd like to amend it also. Okay. Let's get a second. Second. So there's a motion, a second. Okay. Moto amend. Okay. Now your Honor, I'd like to amend it to delete the bus transfer station and the property at South Business Drive and Broadway Avenue and add into the Vandervaart site. Second. There's a motion and a second to amend accordingly. Alderman Sousa. Is it under discussion? Yes. Okay. On the amendment. Thank you. I think it does make good sense to eliminate the site right across the street from Vandervaart because if you want us to consider the Vandervaart site that just makes sense rather than spend $5,000 to study each site. However, I don't agree or understand any rationale in regards to eliminating the bus transfer point. We have not been given any information. We don't know if that site would cost us one penny. So until the investigation is done and thoroughly looked into, I think that we should not eliminate the bus transfer point. So if I can amend his amendment, I'd like to keep that one on the table. I suppose you can amend. What does that work? I think Alderman Grubber. Perhaps we should ask for a division of the question on the two documents. The two direct proposals. Okay. They're separate. Thank you. There you go. And Alderman Sousa, I will have to kindly call you on addressing the chair appropriately. I'm sorry. Thank you. Okay. What do we got the motion? Okay. What we'll do is we'll vote on the amendment. We'll vote on the south business drive and Broadway site to eliminate that. That's the first one on the division of the question. So we'll do that one first to eliminate that from the res. Okay. Do you understand that? Okay. Call the roll. Serta. Davis. Graf. Kittleson. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Segali. Stefan. Sousa. Vanakren. Vanderweel. Bowman. Dieberg. And Eberg. 16 ayes. Motion carries. Next. The next one will be to eliminate the bus transfer station and I vote would be to eliminate that from the list. Thank you. Alderman Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. Under discussion. A week ago or two weeks ago when we had the committee of the whole meeting and then this site was discussed and Ron McDonald gave us a semi presentation as to what time frame this was going to take. He was correct. It's an unknown time frame and it could stretch out as many as nine or 10 years. And I don't think we want to wait for federal approval and things like that that we were going to need if we're going to use that transfer station. Therefore I will support eliminating this from this list and going that process. Any more discussion? Okay. This will be to eliminate the bus transfer from the list. Davis. Aye. Graf. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Manny. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Radke. Aye. Sagali. Aye. Steffen. Aye. Susha. No. Vanakren. Aye. Serta. Aye. 15 Ayes. 1 No. Motion carries. Motion is amended. Yes. Pullman. Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. I would move that the resolution as amended be put upon its passage. Motion second. Under discussion. See you attorney. Thank you, Your Honor. I just can't find my document in the packet but I believe that's the one authorized and never meant to do it for X number of dollars. Yes. The document. Probably ought to be revised to reflect that not to exceed that price or something. You know, if we're having them study only five sites instead of six, hopefully we don't have to say pay the same lump sum payment. I think we got Alderman Steffen first. Thank you, Your Honor. I guess I just had a point of order to my understanding there were three separate things that was adding the Vandivert property and we voted separately on the two we were subtracting but did we actually vote on adding that? This is all we're going to come on now. But that's amending it, right? We have to make an amendment to that. It was amended. It was. And this resolution will be as amended to take the Vandivert property and put that on the list. We voted twice in both times. We were taking something off. Do we have more to add something? We had a division of the question. We actually. Did we vote on the adding is what I'm saying. Separately. I think we voted twice on deleting different properties. I think we voted on adding anything. There was a vote to accept and adopt the communication to add that site to the list. I'm sorry. Okay. Alderman Grubb. Thank you, Your Honor. So you'd like a motion to amend the document that instead of the lump sum amount of 28, 735 for six it should be reduced appropriately to an amount not to exceed for five sites. Something like that. I would tell more. You got that. Is there a second? Second. Did we put a number on it just not to exceed? I'm not to exceed number, but we have to kind of divide it out. Okay. Excuse me. I think we have an amount for five for six sites now. And this site is we'll make it how many? Five. Five. We should be able to do it mathematically and put that number. I think it's turning to clean. I don't know if which Gephardt would know how that number was arrived at, whether it was so much precise or... Okay. I should ask him. Mr. Gephardt. You're going to be put on the spot here. Thank you. I may have to run down to get the detail that Mr. Savane should send to us. Do you have it there? Sure. Oh, okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I'm trying to look at what they projected here is the amount of time that each one of the staff members are going to devote to this project. So right now they're looking at $24,000 as relating to their hourly rates for their staff members as part of the 28th. And the other is kind of a fixed amount for their amounts. So I'd assume if you're going to drop one site that you could adjust it by $4,000. Okay. Paul McGraw, does that make... Yeah. Thank you. I would make a motion that it should not exceed then $24,735. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. That's part of my... That sounds right. Give me the original. Alderman Graf? Yes. $24,000 what? $735. Okay. Thank you. Okay. There's a motion in the second. You got that? Yep. Now we're going to vote on the amendment to... That's the amendment to the original resolution that was put upon this. Yep. This is to the dollar amount we're amending. Right. Okay. Let's call the roll. Graf? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Lerner? Aye. Radke? Aye. Segali? Aye. Steffen? Aye. Susha? Aye. Van Akron? Aye. Vanderweel? Aye. Bauman? Aye. Dieberg? Aye. Eberg? Aye. Serda? Aye. And Davis? Aye. Now that is as amended. The motion is... Please explain it. Yes, Your Honor. Yes, Your Honor. Under discussion. Thank you, Mayor. I have a question. I see that we're authorizing them to perform this, but do we need to put it in writing and form a contract and have them sign it, or is this authorization the way this is written? Acceptable? Yes. The way it's written. Do we need to firm it up a little and make it more legal with signed contracts? Turn the blink. Golden Graf? Thank you, Your Honor. Intense to our resolution is a letter from Mr. Savanov where he outlines exactly what they will be doing and outlining exactly what they will be doing during week one in their timetable, week two, three, four. And that results in a proposal that if we accept this and vote on it, it's their proposal on their contract. Any further discussion? Please call the roll. You know the... Do you know what we're voting? Okay. The resolution is amended to include the Vandervaard property and change the dollar amount by $4,000. Bus to transfer is off. The South Business and Broadway is off. So the final resolution is adding Vandervaard dropping $4,000. Okay. I vote would do that. Okay. Kittleson. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Segali. Stephan. Susha. Van Agren. Vanderweel. Bellman. D. Berg. E. Berg. Serta. Davis. And Graf. Sixty-nice. Motion passes. Is that it? Yep. Final. Okay. 635. Lies over. 636. 649. With the... To be referred... With the... Notations. Notations. 646. 649. With the... To be referred... With the... Notations. That's 640. Will also be referred to public protection and safety. Resolutions introduced. 650 by Alderman Graf. Stephan. Davis. Montemayor. Susha. Amending the Capital Improvement Program for the period 205.09. For the amount of debt issuance for the police facility. Alderman Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. That along with 651, which is a... A resolution to... Being an initial resolution authorizing general obligation bonds in the amount not to exceed $17 million. I would move that those two resolutions be put upon their passage. There's a motion in the second. Under discussion. Alderman Susha. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to bring it to the public's attention that what we've just done here, what's trying to be accomplished, is that we're increasing the amount of debt issued from $8,792,000, up to $17 million to build a police station. We have more than doubled it. This bond issuance for $17 million in addition to borrowing that money, I believe we also have a million and a half set aside. $17,000 is already committed for the architecture fees, but we also have a million dollars set aside. So what we're really saying is we're dealing with up to $18 and a half million to build a police station. I think this is a little bit excessive. And the rationale behind setting the cap so high is that we don't want to have to come back to the council and ask for more money. And on the other side of the coin, it's just a cap, which means we don't have to spend the full amount. But by the time all is said and done and the police station is up and running and the final bill is paid, there could be 16 other aldermen sitting in these seats. And all they are going to see is a document that says that we have the right to spend up to $17 million because that's what the bonding process has approved us to do. And I'm very concerned with that. I would like to see us cap it at $12 million and we make sure that we contract with these people that say they're going to do the work. If they say they're going to do something for $4 million, if it runs over $4 million, they have to pay the difference. In the past, we have not had very good contracts with the people that we've worked with and that's led to a lot of problems. So I'd like to see us tighten it up. The $17 million would use up almost every penny of our borrowing capacity. The money that we've already borrowed, the majority of it has gone to the tax incremental financing districts and it's time to set some money aside for the people of Sheboygan. Yes, the people will benefit from a new police station, but they would also benefit from a street repaving program. It's time to give more back to the public, things that they can see. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I would like to amend both of these documents. If you want to start with $6.50 to say that the bond issuance being not more than $12 million. Thank you. That's $6.50 or $6.51. You want to just start with the $6.50? Sure. Actually, we're going to have to do that separately. The Parliament gross motion was for $2.00. We need a second. Right, right. Who did? Second. Okay. There's a motion and a second to amend the $17 million to $12 million not to exceed $12 million. You got that pretty clear? Yeah. Okay. Alderman Stephan. Thanks. Thank you, Your Honor. I'd like to respectfully disagree with Alderperson Shusha. We didn't pick the $17 million with the intentions. Well, we did pick it with the intentions. We wouldn't necessarily get to it. And just because we could, we had the documents in finance with different possibilities for police station on the conservative side and on the frugal side with the best guess, Mr. Savanash, with what we gave him, the information we gave him, how much it would cost. We took $17 million and actually the numbers he had, one was $17.50, I believe, and that didn't include any acquisition costs. You know, the committee looked at it and I agree Alderperson Shusha thought it was too much then and that's her right, but it wasn't like we just took this number out of the air. This is what we felt recently it could cost. Is it more than we want to spend? Certainly. You know, if we don't build this thing in five years, it'll be $50 million. We could have built it 20 years ago for a million. You know, its costs go up, everything goes up. One of the considerations we had in committee was how big do you make it? Do you make it big enough to fit the minimum of what you need now? And then in five years and in ten years, as soon as five years after it's built, it'll be extinct already because they'll be growing beyond that. You know, it's a fine line between building what you need now and also being a steward of the money to project what we're going to need in the future. And that's what we try to do on a conservative side and I think $17 million. I don't want to spend that much, I really hope we don't have to, but that's what the architect says it could get to that high, so I think we need to have that availability. So I'll support this. Thank you, Alderman Stephan, Alderman Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. I agree with Alderman Stephan. We in finance looked this over and one of the things that should be brought to everybody's attention is that the capital improvements program that first put the police station in was in 2002. That already is, we're looking at four years ago that being done when you're looking at the 2006 capital budget. Therefore, we have to add some more because back in 2002, what you could buy for $8 million is going to cost you a lot more and as Alderman Stephan pointed out, this was not, this did not include, excuse me, the original figures did not include any land acquisition. All the properties we're looking at now other than the site, the Penn Avenue, not the Penn Avenue site, New Jersey Avenue site across from the municipal service building, most of that property or a lot of that property is ours, so that would probably be the least costly. So you still have to add monies in if you're going to buy any other properties. That's the reason I will support the $17 million and go with that and again, it's something that you do not have to spend and there will be 16 pair of eyes regardless looking at this to see that whatever cost we can shave off of there, we will do that. 16 pairs of eye and one mirror. One mirror, yes. Alderman Mani. Thank you, Your Honor. A question I have put this in some context. Was the $8.8 million originally forecast or projected for debt service bond issuance? Was that a number come to after the study was put together or was that a prior to the study? I think Rich Kebhart might know the answer. Mr. Kebhart. And Mr. Davis, I'll be right with Alderman Davis, I'll be right with you. I believe that was derived from some of the studies that Kimmy did under the contract with understubin rock that they made some projections for their study of the police department at that time. I'm not sure about their size but I think it was smaller than the square feet at that time and I think that's one of the factors that isn't within the variable. Thank you, Mr. Kebhart. Alderman Davis. This by no means is the last whack that this council is going to have at this. I mean, you know, I think it's been pointed out that if there's a bond issue it's going to be a two-thirds, two-thirds vote from here. So I mean, you know, we're going to have ample opportunity to widow away at this $17 million here and deploy our cards right to get the right price for what we want. Thank you, Alderman Davis and I must remind you to address the chair appropriately. Thank you. Alderman Meyer. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm kind of confused as to how a year ago we were talking $10 million for a police station and now we're talking $17 million and yes, we don't have to spend $17 million but I believe we are to allow $17 million to be spent and I can't support spending $17 million. Thank you, Alderman Meyer, Alderman Graf. Thank you, if I may just answer that. The $8 million or $8 million, $7 million, $9,200, that was put into the Capital Improvements Program was put in, like I said in 2002 and during Capital Improvements we discuss only the current upcoming year and the rest sit there until you get to that year to discuss it like the $8 million, $7 million would have been discussed in August of this year by the Capital Improvements Committee, by the Present Capital Improvements Committee. The change here will now make it, if it's approved, will make it $17 million that we will change that that project to for 2006. Alderman Mani, your second time around. Thank you, Your Honor. Another question for Rich. Play the devil's advocate. We borrow all $17 million thereafter in each year we have other bond debt that is retired in 2007, 2009, etc. How much are those dollars thus in consequence how much will we have available for further capital funding for things like roads even if we went $17 million? My majority schedule for our debt is between $6 and $7 million per year so you have that capacity. You also have some capacity gain from the increases in equalized values. So generally about 3% of whatever the increases are in our values. So a combination of those will maybe give you around maybe $8 million of capacity of debt issuance per year. But we do have within our capital improvements program we do have as a council policy to issue up to $3 million a year for like streets and the general infrastructure and then there's also the tax and criminal financing needs that we have within our districts. And beyond this too we're looking at this is really stage one of the project. Stage two is once the police department vacates we will need to remodel that first floor to make it suitable for the other purposes that will be in there. Obviously there will have to be some changes and some investment made to this building also at that time. So there is capacity ahead that will be generated each year and I think there's probably programs going to be currently scheduled that will probably maintain our debt as around or right at 3% of equalized values per year which is the limit that the council has set. So you're not really going to have much capacity beyond this project and our current capital improvements program. Thank you, Mr. Gerhardt. We need to vote on the amendment and that would be to not more than 12 million would be borrowed instead of 17. So an aye vote would be not more than 12 million. Alderman Manny. No. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. No. Radke. No. Segali. No. Steffen. No. Baumann. No. Dieberg. No. Eberg. No. Serta. No. Davis. No. Graf. No. Kittelsen. No. Cheweyes and 14 noes. The amendment fails. Fails. Now we vote on the renewal. Now we have a motion. There's a motion to put resolution 650 and 651 upon its passage. Now we have a motion. Alderman Susha. Thank you, Mayor. In regards to the next document, 651, I just wanted to clarify for the viewing public that the City Clerk has 15 days to post in, I assume, the Sheboygan Press a notice to the electors relating to the bond issuance. And if people read that when it's issued within the next 15 days, after the adoption of this particular resolution, there is a choice where somebody could petition within 30 days after this appears in the press, and they could force a public referendum on the $17 million. I get a lot of phone calls about people complaining how high their taxes are. And I have had only one person tell me face to face that I don't care how high my taxes go. I love living in Sheboygan. But all the other calls I get relating to how high their property taxes are, people are not happy with how high they are. And I just want to bring to their attention that they have the right to actually change the decision of this council. So they have 30 days to file a petition and then it would go to public referendum. Thank you. Thank you all. Susha. Okay, please call the roll. This will be for passage on 650 and 651. Montemay or? Racki. Duhoy. Stefan? No. Susha? No. Van Ackeren? No. Binderweel? No. Bahlman? No. Deeberg? No. Eberg? No. Serta? No. Davis? No. Graf? No. Kittlesen? No. Manny? No. And Meijer? for the new fire station providing for the issuance and sale of general obligation securities thereof and levy and a tax and connection therewith Paul Mungroth. Thank you Your Honor. That resolution as well as resolution 653 which is an initial resolution authorizing the borrowing of not to exceed 36 million dollars providing for the issuance and sale of general obligation refunding securities thereof and levy and tax and connection with that I would move that those two resolutions be put upon their passage. Motion. There's a second under discussion there being none please call the roll. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Segali. Steffen. Susha. Van Akron. Vanderweel. Bauman. Dieberg. Eberg. Serda. Davis. Graf. Kittelsen. And Manny. 16 ayes. Motion carries. 654 by Alderman Kielsen amending the composition of the Mayor's International Committee to increase the membership from 9 to 13. Alderman Kielsen. Thank you Mr. Mayor I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules. There's a motion to second any objections please continue please continue. Okay then I'd like to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage. Motion is second under discussion Alderman Segali. Thank you Mr. Mayor if I could we just have an explanation as to why it was 16 and then went down to 9 now it's going back up to 13. I appreciate that thank you. There was a mistake made on my part misunderstanding on my part and after I made that decision and the committee was reduced to lesser numbers I had some some of the former members come talk to me and I felt that I needed to correct something that I had done wrong and I spoke to Alderman Kielsen and Alderman Baldwin who chairs the Mayor's International Committee and they had no objection so this is why we have the increase now. Alderman Bender-Wheel. Thank you honor thank you for the explanation with the explanation I'll withhold my comments. Alderman Kielsen. Well just Mr. Mayor thank you very much for the opportunity to talk to come in and talk to you we really appreciate it and we're so glad that the misunderstanding was all cleared up. We're ready to get back to work. You're welcome. Thank you. Any further discussion? If not all those in favor state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 655 by Alderman Montemayor granting permission to Sheboygan Lakeview property LLC to enter upon certain city property to perform soil borings. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you your honor I move the resolution be put upon its passage. There's a motion and a second under discussion there being none please call the roll. Montemayor Ratke Sagali. Stefan. Susha. Van Akron. Vanderweal. Bauman. Deberg. Eberg. Serta. Davis. Graf. Kittlesen. Manny. And Meyer. 16 ayes. Motion carries. 656 will be held for 663 657 658 lies will lie over 659 660 to be referred 661 report of committee by Alderman by public protection and safety recommending filing documents submitting a communication from the Skybox sports pub and grill requested to close St. Clair Avenue from North 8th Street to North 9th Street from August 11th through the 14th for their second annual Street festival. Alderman Susha. Thank you Meyer I'd like to accept and adopt. There's a motion to accept and adopt report committee and the second under discussion not please call the roll. Ratke Sagali. Stefan. Susha. Van Akron. Vanderweal. Bauman. Deberg. Eberg. Serta. Davis. Graf. Kittlesen. Manny. Meyer. And Montemayor. 16 ayes. Motion carries. 662 to be referred. 663. I'm sorry what? Susha. Thank you. I'd like to change your referral for 662 there's some new information from public work so if we could send that document back to public protection and safety please. 662. 662. You don't want it to go to plan commission. No I received a call today there's some new information that needs to be discussed. Okay. Thank you. So public protection and safety. Yes. Very well. Thank you. Alderman. Berg. This is on 663. Pardon me. This is on 663. Yes. Sorry. I jumped the gun. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. We are at 663. And we hail over 656 for 663. Alderman Berg. Thank you Your Honor. I'd like to file a report of committee and adopt the resolution without this passage. There's a motion in a second under discussion. Alderman Berg excuse me did you also include the resolution in this that we held for this? 662. On its passage. Thank you. You want to roll call on that? No. Any discussion? Alderman Segali. Thank you Mr. Meere. When it comes to these four slips now as if I read the resolution correctly they wouldn't have water or electricity or anything available to them but are they paying rent on these slips or is it just something a courtesy that they're just made available just for you park overnight or however this is? There's two alderman asking to be recognized. Alderman Bauman first. I thank you Your Honor. The docs would be courtesy in other words no cost to them they could be there for only up to four hours it is to be for like shopping if they wanted to go to say Blue Herber's an example to look around and maybe do some other things while they're there. It's just there for that purpose. Thank you Mr. Alderman Bauman. Alderman Berg. Again thank you Your Honor. To again elaborate on what Alderman Bauman had said if there is a full capacity and we can rent the slips we will. These are slips that are short stubbed finger piers and the water is somewhat low so they are not particularly attractive slips for for full-time boaters to to put their boats in the river but if we do have tranches that will be there overnight the first priority is to rent the slips and at that time then there wouldn't be available to the short time individual who'd come in for the three to four hours. Okay you don't need to call the roll. Okay this is to pass the resolution and accept and adopt the RC. Segali. Stefan. Susha. Ben Akron. Vanderweal. Bauman. D. Berg. E. Berg. Serta. Davis. Graf. Kittleson. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. and Radke. Sixteen eyes. Ocean carries. 664 by law and license and committee recommending denying beverages beverage operators license number 5471 based on failure to report all convictions on the application and non-cooperation with the committee Alderman Manny. Thank you honor I move to refer this document to the committee and I'll give you a rationale once I get a second. We refer back. Yes. Motion to refer in their second under discussion. Thank you your honor. There was a mistake made in their procedure we normally give two notices second certified mail this person did not receive both notices he will meet with law and licensing on June 28th you will discuss the issues at that point at that time. There's a motion in the second to refer any further discussion. Not all those in favor state aye. Any opposed. Motion carries. 665 reported committee by public works recommending authorizing the study of the stab of establishing pet friendly areas in city parks within the city of Sheboygan Alderman Bowman. Thank you your honor. I move to accept and adopt the report of committee and pass the rifle resolution. There's a motion in the second under discussion. There are being non holes in favor state aye. Any opposed. Motion carries. 666 by public protection and safety recommending entering into an agreement with the Sheboygan area school district relative to providing the public school system with school as on officers from the Sheboygan police department and passing the substitute resolution Alderman Sushia. Thank you mayor. I move to accept and adopt the report of committee and pass this resolution. There's a motion. There's a second. Motion the second under discussion. Alderman Segali. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'm not sure if I was reading this correctly or not. Are we cutting the time that the liaison officers are in school? I thought I've been like nine months I was I thought now I read six months are they only in there originally only six months out of the year. The Richard would you like to explain this or you want me. Thank you your honor. I guess we requested the change because of the many concerns that we have as well as other governments and what is going to be going forth from Madison from the legislature and within the next couple of months. And we need to basically look at our commitments that we have and address them when we have a clear picture of what the state restraints are going to be on local governments. This maintains stability for the next six months with with this agreement and maintains it at four layers on officers. There's no change. The mayor and I did meet with the school administration. We did discuss it and I guess we're in agreement to continue communication and working together to make sure that the schools have you know sufficient security in the future and what we may have in the future is six months agreements. One of the problems that we have is they're on a different fiscal year than we are. They're on a July one fiscal year where we're on a calendar basis and so this agreement that was originally 12 months overlapped two of our fiscal years and that's what our problem is right now is that we don't know what kind of commitment we can make for the second fiscal year. The same as with them they would have a problem doing the same thing if they went on a calendar year basis would overlap two of their fiscal years and that'd be a problem for them also. So we may be seeing you know agreement every six months coming in and and for us to look at what is you know can be as appropriate for both sides as far as funding levels. Thank you Mr. Mayor. If I may ask Rich, we will I mean for the protection and safety of our children though we will have that kind of protection in our schools because with it the way it is today I would hate to see that that program would have to be dissolved. That's an objective from both sides yes and as I said right now for the next six months there's no change before liaison officers stay in the schools. Alderman Vanderweel. Thank you Your Honor I just wanted to clarify that basically having the liaison officers we're making a commitment to that but we don't we don't know what the state's going to do so we can't spend money we don't have right now correct. Right. Thank you. Alderman Graf. Thank you. Can either the chairperson of the committee or Rich address are we collecting the same amount as we have in in the past or is the dollar amount on this contract for six months changing for reimbursement? The ratio is remaining the same it's just the length of time of the agreement has changed that's the only change to it. But there could be an increase during the second six month. That is up to both sides to negotiate I guess. Thank you Mr. Gephart. I may add that from our discussion with the school district they are very concerned about the safety within the schools and cells and they are looking right now at what options they have and they will be addressing the security issue one way or another so it will be looked at very seriously. Okay any further discussion? Okay you don't need a roll call isn't it? Okay roll call. Stefan. Susha. Van Akron. Vanderweel. Bauman. D. Berg. E. Berg. Serta. Davis. Graf. Kittlesen. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. And Sagalli. Sixteen eyes. Ocean carries. 667. The 3669. Lie over. 670. 671. To be referred. Matters laid over. 555. Resolution number 360506 by Alderman Graf. Stefan. Montemayor. Susha. And Davis authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 205 budget. Alderman Graf. Thank you Your Honor. I would move that that resolution be put upon its passage. There's a motion to second under discussion not please call the roll. Susha. Van Akron. Vanderweel. Bauman. D. Berg. E. Berg. Serta. Davis. Graf. Kittlesen. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Sagalli. And Stefan. Sixteen eyes. Motion carries. 579. Resolution number 480506 by Alderman Montemayor accepting the dedication of land for creation of a cul-de-sac located on North 26th Street from the Shemboygan area school district. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you Your Honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. There's a motion in the second under discussion. Alderman Sagalli. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Could you please tell me is there going to be something special that's going to be put on this cul-de-sac or is there a reason that the land for the dedication I guess I'm just asking if there's going to be some special purpose. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'll bet Tom Holton can tell us. Mr. Holton. Thank you. It's for the school program for their home construction so there's gonna be three lots and that cul-de-sac and an out lot to the west which is too small to build on currently. Okay. Thank you. Alderman Meyer. Thank you Mr. Mayor. My question has been answered. Okay. Any further discussion? You'll take a roll on that too. Van Akron. Van Derweel. Bowman. D Berg. E Berg. Serda. Davis. Graf. Kittleson. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Sagalli. Stefan. And Susha. Sixteen eyes. Motion carries 572. General Orden's number 80506 by Alderman Manny, Ratke, Davis, Meyer, and Sagalli. Amendments section 18 through 55 of the Schmogen Municipal Code so as to update a state statute citation. Alderman Manny. Thank you, honor. I put upon the passage. Madam. There's a second. There's a motion and a second. General Orden's be put upon this passage under discussion. If not, please call the roll. Van Derweel. Bowman. D Berg. E Berg. Serda. Davis. Graf. Kittleson. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Sagalli. Stefan. Susha. And Van Akron. Sixteen eyes. Motion carries 573. General Orden's number 90506 by Alderman Susha, Van Derweel, Ratke, Meyer, and Montemayor relating to the no parking anytime so as to add the north side of South Pier Drive from the east curb line of South 8th Street to a point 162 feet east. Alderman Susha. Thank you, Mayor. I move that this ordinance be put upon its passage. There's a motion and a second under discussion. There being none, please call the roll. Bowman. D Berg. E Berg. Serda. Davis. Graf. Kittleson. Manny. Montemayor. I'm sorry, Meyer. Montemayor. Radke. Sagalli. Stefan. Susha. Van Akron. And Van Derweel. Sixteen eyes. Motion carries. Other matters authorized by law 672 a resolution by Alderman Serda requesting a firm commitment from the Sheboygan County Board regarding its near-term intentions relating to the often mentioned 23rd Street site. Alderman Serda. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. There's a motion and a second under discussion. Thank you, Your Honor. There's been a lot of discussion and speculation between the county and the city in reference to shared services at the north 23rd Street site and given the new administration and the standards of open government, what a better way than to formalize a document where all the public can see and to initiate a response from the county to alleviate the he said she said. I think it's a it's a good start. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Serda. Alderman Graf. Thank you, Your Honor. With the permission of the council and passage of this resolution I'd like to write a letter to go along with it inviting several public several officials from the county to appear at a I'll be talking to Alderman Montemar to have a special common committee of the whole meeting so that they can come and answer these questions in person then any other questions that maybe you have available so that they can come here and speak to all of us and because this doesn't cover all the questions that we had at the last committee of the whole meeting and if they'd be willing to do that I'd include that in the letter inviting them to a committee of the whole meeting. I think the invitation would be a good idea but I think what Alderman Serda is asking a little bit more firmer commitment that needs to be in writing. Alderman Stefan. Thank you, Your Honor. I did want to compliment you on your comments earlier on decorum. I'm sure some people remember a couple years ago I tried to politely change the decorum of the people speaking and I think it can best be changed by us also you know dictating to them the proper respect for the officials and I applaud your intentions there. I also applaud you you know your comments about not getting into he said she said things on the radio and I guess I made some statements last week and some people didn't understand them and they said I did said this on the radio and I just wanted to defend I think this is what we want to do we want to get a commitment from the county you know people talk about storage evidence places we can do that anywhere any of those six sites five sites seven sites we could store evidence with the county though we do a lot of shared services with the county now and obviously we don't have a huge building now so we can do that what I want to know is are they do they have interest in sharing services that are legitimately going to save the taxpayers money and I applaud all the person grots saying come and talk to us but on the other hand I really don't have any interest in listening to Adam Payne because he doesn't have a vote on the county board I'd like to see them bring this up for discussion tell us what they think the feeling of the board at this time no granted it could change but those are the people who are going to decide if they're going to move to 23rd Street those are the 32 people that are going to decide it's not going to be a figurehead okay so that's why I'm not against talking to them not against getting a conceptual feeling for how they feel how the leadership feels certainly they'll have some important on the county supervisors but I do think we need some kind of commitment and I'm not saying I want to contract sign that says when they're going to move here but the sense I get from talking to individual supervisors is it's just not something they're interested in if they ever want to move that place they want to move further west they don't want to move to 23rd Street so I think this is all the person Serter should be congratulated this is exactly what I wanted last week and I think she brought it in Alderman Berg thank you your honor if when you get down to document 683 a letter that was written by Officer John Winter you'll be able to tell what the county's intentions are because he talked to the sheriff and him so when you get to 683 I don't think you have to have to worry about getting too many promises out of the county anymore thank you Alderman Berg Alderman Serter thank you your honor and just to initiate once again not only does this involve the older persons the administration but it also really involves the citizens to actually see the documents at hand and that way they can they can make their own judgments instead of supposedly discussions behind closed doors this is a great initiative this is open door policy right here and I think it's it's great that we're instituting this thank you any other discussion not please call D Berg E Berg Serda Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel and Bowman 16 eyes motion passes 673 resolution by Alderman Graf and Berg directed a public hearing for a change in the zoning map for property located at 41 60 and 41 60 a south 12th Street Alderman Graf thank you your honor I moved that the resolution be put up on its passage there's a motion in the second under discussion there being none all those in favor please state aye any opposed motion carries 674 to be referred 675 to be referred 676 677 on the amended last page to be referred 678 we've taken care of this time I'd ask there's a document to be called to the clerk's desk as for a motion to call a document to the clerk's desk excuse me mayor I believe there are some more documents under other matters that Steve could do maybe be other matters we have before we call to the clerk's desk I'm sorry if that would be all right you bet thank you other other matters attorney McLean thank you your honor 679 is communication from Mary Zerafanite Fanatus 30 25 North 9th Street regarding issues with Blue Harbor South Peer District area between the Seabird restaurant a pure walk area contains a public health and safety problem it will be referred to public works 680 is a communication from Glee at Nang Yang chairperson of the Mung summer festival making request that parking be restricted in the areas of 17th Street between New Jersey and Erie Avenue during their July 30 through 31st event and that will go to public protection and safety 681 is a communication from Andrew Holman of Joseph Holman and Suns real estate corporation requesting an encroachment for an awning at 522 North 8th Street that will be referred to city planning Commission 682 is an ordinance granting Joseph Holman and Suns the privilege of encroaching upon described portions of North 8th Street and that will go to City Plan Commission 683 is a communication from John Winter 2213 Broadway Avenue stating his thoughts on the narrowed down sights for the police station and will be referred a committee of the whole 684 is a communication from Mark Kramer requesting the council consider the land he owns at the Southwest corner of South Business Drive and Broadway for the new police site and will be referred a committee of the whole 685 is a communication from the Shboyton County Chamber of Commerce stating their contract desires they would like to see for a new room tax agreement for 2006 that would also be referred a committee of the whole 686 is a resolution Holman Stefan thank you your honor I just wanted to let you know we talked last meeting about having to notify the chamber so our contract did not make a roll over with room tax and I did show this to the city attorney beforehand and he thought this was sufficient that they had notified us of that you know their attention in the renegotiate so we won't have to worry about doing that okay thank you excuse me mayor I'm not sure I put on community hold does the finance committee want this preferably before committee the whole or just finance all the ground thank you your honor I was going to ask that it be referred to finance rather than the committee of the whole because finance usually starts and has a meeting with to exchange ideas and so forth and find out what we need and then we bring it on to the committee of the whole okay and I believe the second time you tell us this so thank you yeah finance 685 will go to finance thank you 686 is a resolution authorizing signing an easement for a mini storm sewer to be constructed in portions of their property and that will be referred to public works thank you attorney McLean now we do the thank you okay I'd ask for a motion to call document to the clerk's test Solomon Montemayor thank you your honor I move the resolution be put upon its passage so we can have fireworks I'm ultimate Montemayor we need a motion first to actually call the document to the clerk's desk could you do so I so move thank you there's a motion the second to call the document to the clerk's desk and then we'll vote we'll put that resolution on specific under discussion all of them and will thank you honor could you just explain what calling to the clerk's desk means I knew somebody was going to ask that thank you I'd be happy to sure what happens is all committees have referral folders that all documents are referred to your different committee if in fact there's a document in a committee that either doesn't get acted on by the committee but it needs to come forward to the council floor without a recommendation it's called called to the clerk's desk I can physically pull it out of finance folder they didn't act on something but they need it to be acted on tonight I pull it forward and then you vote to for me to do that and then you vote on that document it has not been talked about or acted on in that committee so we have two documents like that tonight that were pulled out of their folders not acted on by those committees and it's called called to the clerk's desk does that help good old Robert rules of order okay so there's a motion to call the document to the clerk's desk and there's a second under discussion any more not all those in favor state aye any oppose motion carries now now a motion to put the resolution upon its passage would be in order there's a motion the second under discussion not all those in favor state aye any oppose motion carries this one as we move along the agenda the next item on the on the agenda will be a motion to convene in closed session we have to read it I'm sorry you have to read it aluminum graph thank you and I'd make a motion to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section nineteen point eight five one g of the Wisconsin state statutes for the purpose of conferring with legal counsel for the city who is rendering oral advice concerning strategy to be adopted by the body with respect to Dean of Matlin for fixtures there's a motion and a second to go into closed session any discussion not all those in favor second here okay Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stephan Susha Van Akron Vanderheel Bowman Dberg Eberg and Serta 16 eyes motion passes anybody need a two-minute break five-minute break we'll take a five minute break you're too anxious Marge