 I only welcome you to be here on our stage for the press conference regarding why Europe needs a Green New Deal. So and now I pass over to Swetschke, which will introduce us to the topic. Thank you. Vielen Dank. Ich freue mich, dass... I speak English, but just at the beginning I will say something in German. So, es freut mich sehr, dass wir heute hier sind und es freut mich noch mehr, dass Pamela mit uns hier ist. Es wird heute Quats sein, aber nicht so wie Quats by Trump. Eigentlich haben wir... Eigentlich haben wir einen... What's that word? Kurtz is the name of the chancellor of Austria, which means short in English. So I said it would be short, but not short as Kurtz was at Trump, which was very short. So I will speak in English. It's a sunny day. So let me start by a joke. The joke is about an old man who goes to a doctor and the doctor says, I have... I have good news and I have bad news. The good news is you have cancer and the bad news is you have Alzheimer. But as soon as you come home, you will forget about the cancer. And couldn't we say the same? The good news is that it's sun outside and that it's hot in February unlike the last day when it was snow. But the bad news is that this is actually an effect of climate change. So we are here today to speak about the necessity of a Green New Deal in Europe. Only a few days ago, the richest person, the third richest person on planet Earth with a net worth of 85 billion dollars. In his annual shareholder letter, he warned about the prospect of a mega catastrophe. Although such a disaster could happen tomorrow or decades from now, one thing is sure, he said, the catastrophe is inevitable. Of course, Warren Buffett, who was the author of this, otherwise he wouldn't be the third richest person in the world, already has an answer for such an outcome. He says, I'm quoting, this is just a letter which was published a few days ago. He said, when such a mega catastrophe strikes, we will get our share of the losses and they will be big, very big. This hardly comes as a surprise from someone who is remembered for saying there's a class war, but it's my class, the rich class that is making the war and we are winning. What we have today is not just a class war, what we have today is a war on our children, it's a war on our climate, it's a war on our future. And it is precisely the class represented by Warren Buffett and others who was in the first place responsible for the inevitable catastrophe. We are here today not because we like to be activists, okay, we like it as well, but because it is necessary if we want to have a future at all. Obviously, what we are facing today with climate change and a total environmental breakdown is the biggest threat humanity and the planet itself has ever faced. We are here today to say that Europe needs a Green New Deal before it's too late. And why does Europe need a Green New Deal? If you take just three recent examples, and Pamela has spoken about it a lot as well, this is one of the reasons why she is here with us, it can be shown clearly. The first case is the Gilles Jeans in France. The second case, an example, is Energiewende in Germany and the most developed countries in the European Union. And the third, but not last, is the big children's protests and school strikes which are happening all over the world at the moment and they will happen in Graz as well on Friday. If you connect all these three events, if you are worried as we are, you will come to the conclusion to which we came that the only solution to Europe is nothing more, nothing less, but a Green New Deal. First, as we could have seen with the Yellow West in France, the green transition cannot be paid by the poor and the solution isn't just a macaroni and simple carbon tax, climate change cannot be solved by taxation. In the near future, we will probably have similar and even bigger movements like the Yellow West, so we better respond to them now. Second, as the case of diesel cars shows, instead of outsourcing air pollution to countries of the periphery of the European Union or even Austria, you might perhaps know that Austria is the second in Europe after Italy when it comes to the import of the diesel cars. Instead of that, we need a pan-European solution. I just flew in from Belgrade, if you go to Belgrade, a few days ago, the most polluted city in the world. So it's not Beijing, it's not New Delhi, it was Belgrade and it is connected to the export of diesel cars, not directly, but it is. And third, what you can see with the children's protest taking place all across Europe, even in Austria, there might soon be no future, even if there is sun outside. If you don't come up with a solution for the 21st century using the technology and institutions which we already have in place. This is why we think that Europe urgently needs a Green New Deal, a massive programme of investment in green technology which would be linked to a jobs guarantee all across Europe. When Greta, the Swedish girl who inspired the school strikes, last week in Brussels confronted the European establishment, unlike Theresa May who said that children are wasting valuable school time and unlike Angela Merkel who even blamed the Russians who said that children couldn't come to such an idea without an outside influence, Jean-Claude Junker responded that we need billions of spending on climate change in the next seven years. Unlike that, DiEM25 and Dineroopa, we propose 500 billions of euros per year which means annually of massive investment into green technology and clean energy. Why? Because without investment Europe can't achieve its climate goals. How would, and I'm finishing soon, how would the Green New Deal function? Where would the money come from? This is of course a question. What we are proposing is that the European Investment Bank should issue bonds up to 500 billion euros every year for five years in order to finance projects for green energy, green transport, green agriculture and green industry throughout Europe. At the same time the European Central Bank should announce that it will stand by to protect the European Investment Bank by buying its bonds if speculation forces down prices. Something similar just using the American institutions like the Fed is currently being proposed by the Democrats around Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But honestly speaking, even if it seems that the Green New Deal is something rather new, the Green New Deal existed among the indigenous communities for thousands of years. The Green New Deal means that we need a new deal for the 21st century similar to the new deal of Roosevelt, only green, then the new in the Green New Deal means that we have the technology already at hand to make it happen. To end, the catastrophe might be inevitable, even the top-rich like Warren Buffett agree, but instead of calculating the profits of the self-destruction of humanity, we should do all we can in order to make the impossible possible, namely to have a future at all in Europe today. Thanks a lot and I'm passing the word to Daniella Pletsch. Thank you, Pletsch, for this. And yeah, I thank you for listening and I would now move on to Daniella, who would also like to add her perspective. Daniella, thank you. Hello, my name is Danie Pletsch. I was born in Austria. I grew up as a German and thanks to my Slovak mother I moved to Europe. And that's why I'm here. I'm one of these millions of European faces that you meet every day on the street, at work, here in the room. We are everywhere. And according to current circumstances, 90% of us know that we are in a global climate crisis. More than 90% in every single European country. We also understand that our lifestyle is polluted by the earth. Artists die, the oceans are polluted and, as well as a global inequality, the millions of people in the world are in a crisis. I'm just saying this because I don't want to be able to say anything later. We didn't know that back then. Yes, we know it and we also know what the problem behind it is. It's very easy. It's so easy that a little future for Friday has been explained to me recently. And because I can't say it better than you, I want to quote you here. You say, most people are really okay and just live here. But there are some who sell their property for money. And these are the ones who want to see our future. The politics has to do something. You're right. In fact, 71% of all global greenhouse gases in the last 30 years were caused by a total of less than 100 fossil fuels. I'm happy that the children are growing up. When I was still young, it was explained to me that it was my hairspray that caused it all. But no, there are 100 global concerns. I think it's good if we all feel responsible for our planet and for our climate. But I want to hear what each individual and how much each individual is doing to us. We have the responsibility to act together and collectively. We have to free ourselves from these 100 fossil fuels by overflowing them. And that's exactly what the Green New Deal is about. The Green New Deal combines our strives for liberation and democracy with a radical change of our economy and a universal job guarantee. So the right to a permanent job with permanent payment and that for every person who wants it. On the 26th of May we will select this Green New Deal in 8 countries in Europe. I can share this with Janis Varoufakis and Retschko on the list in Germany. In Germany, where we come from and where we live in Europe. But also in Germany because I come from Austria and because I know what people are capable of. Austria has already shared two world wars. Our government under Sebastian Kurz is currently mobilizing in whole Europe for a new race separation. The good people take care of us together with other Europeans to fight democracy in Europe. Thank you very much, Dani Platsch for this introduction from the internal view as an Austrian living candidate for the German elections. Yes, and last but not least our star guest from Canada actually living in France has many things to say because she knows the American, the Canadian, also the German, the French situation and she is a political activist so I'm very interested in your perspective and why are you supporting the Green New Deal? Well, it seems a little surreal that I'm even here sitting with Retschko and Daniel because I've been an activist for a long time and it's kind of transformed over my lifetime. I was an animal activist when I was young and I always kind of collected the misfits and became the person that everyone brought the bird with the broken wing to and I just kind of ended up being that person and raised on Vancouver Island I was very conscientious of nature and I ended up finding a dead deer hanging upside down with no head dripping into a bucket of blood and that's when I realized that was meat and I didn't want to eat that anymore so for compassionate reasons I became vegetarian and I realized that one of the best things you can do for the environment is to be vegan but this is something I learned over the course of my lifetime and everything I learn I apply to my life and I've just met such great interesting people over my lifetime and I'm not a I don't have a degree I don't have a lot of formal education but just maybe a little bit of street awareness or just to be engaged in the world a lover of art, I think artists are the freedom fighters of the world and to be engaged in the world is sexy I think being an activist is sexy and I want to create that image I have a new offshoot of my foundation it's called tenure, it's based on academic we choose 10 activists a year and we pay their salaries for 10 years and this way people can be career activists and not have to work at McDonald's to pay their families bills or have some kind of small job to continue the fight and so we want to I want to be able to support people that are going to be an activist no matter what and I think there's a lot of people in the world that want to help and I think you're an activist if you read a book, if you go to a museum if you are interested in anything other than yourself in an age where empathy is lacking and things are so complicated and we have so much access to so much information that I want to be able to use my platform whatever that is however that came about and and when I find something interesting and something important I want to be able to put myself out there I don't I want to be able to reach out to people and learn I'm here to learn I'm here to meet everybody and and find out what else I can do I've been tweeting a lot lately because I keep thinking God it's too late it's too late every time we learn something we have to share it and we have to be very passionate about what we believe in and to make a difference and not be politically correct just say how you feel and open conversations and this is how I teach my sons to be so this is how I have to be and this is how I encourage my friends and my everybody I meet and what I do is to learn and you know I'm very concerned still about Julian Assange we don't want to forget about him he's in a dire position and you know Switzerland just offered him offered him Geneva Asylum and you know what is Austria doing so we want to keep on asking these questions a green no deal sounds sounds great to me I think an alternative but anything that's going on right now is important and I need to educate myself more about exactly everything but everything I learn I try to discuss and open conversations so this is why I'm here you know here in Elevate this is my first festival and I want to go to a lot of them and I think I really want to learn how to speak from the heart I don't want to I've done things before where I've really been strict in a script and I thought maybe something else I can share another way I can communicate because I have friends who are extremely intellectual and they are so frustrated about not being able to reach people and you know for instance Vivian Westwood who I love who is a dear friend of mine and she is always frustrated with not being able to communicate and she always told me Pamela just be yourself and just get out there and you have your role to play so hopefully I'm helping and I know in fact the work I've done with Peter we've created animal welfare laws where there were none before and it's you know people are stopping to produce fur in fashion and you know there's all sorts of new fabrics that are made from recyclable plastic from the ocean so there are solutions and we need unique thinkers so I'm encouraging people to think differently behave differently reach inside somewhere and maybe it's not from school from anywhere else just we need new ideas and so I'm very excited about this and I'm so excited to see all these children coming out because they are speaking the truth they're smarter than anybody I've seen so far and so I'm really proud of that and so I'm here to encourage just encourage freedom of speech and just really gut feelings not something that maybe that you're I don't know just we need a new way of thinking so I'm excited about this I'm excited about deem I'm happy to be in grass and you know so whatever I can do to help I want to do so very thank you so great to have you here and supporting this so my dear journalist I switch again we have the following suggestion we can now ask questions you can ask our podium guests I would like to ask you to sign by hand if you want to speak then I come with the microphone to you I keep the microphone by hand you can speak in and say which medium you come by name and who you want to ask the question is that fine so far everything understand so they will question we understand okay I thought it was snowing last year climate change or elevate organize it you need to bring a sweatshirt get on here hi nice to have you here the elevate festival is also about music there's a whole program about it so what kind of acts are you looking for or have you had a look at it and the second question to add how was your musical socialization how did you what kind of music did you grow up grew up well my son's a musician Dylan he has a band called midnight kids and it's a little bit electronic it's very cool I'm so impressed with him so I love his music I love music and art and politics it all goes together because this is a way to reach people in places where necessarily pushing to the choir you need to put yourself in situations where everybody's it's creative it starts I think this movement has to be creative you know and it has to it's poetic it's a romantic struggle it's like music so we have to create a song we have to figure out how to move forward and it's really going to come from somewhere else not necessarily an encyclopedia or school book but it's going to have to come from the heart next question what kind of music did you grow up pop culture oh my Elvis my mother is an Elvis fanatic and just rock and roll I like the blues myself like I said my son's a musician it's been around me I'm enjoying it I'm looking forward to seeing something tonight next question please raise hand and Claudia will bring the mic hello my name is Eva for a meeting I'm here for grads and I will the first question I will put in English how do you maybe Pamela how do you see the connection between meat consumption and climate change oh well I think global warming is in fact reforming is a leading cause of global warming and meat consumption isn't just it's not it's a lot of waste there's also the transport if you go back how much water does it take to make a pound of beef I mean meat is really a huge huge issue when it comes to to climate change so like I said even eating less meat is great I'm not here to tell anyone to go vegan you know cold just do the best you can I like to prefer to be in that position to encourage people to do better instead of be so you know black and white next question next questions how there is a question in the front there is a question in the front I wanted to ask about the festival who told you first about Elevate Festival and what did you tell you Straco invited me to the festival and we've been talking a lot we've been friends for a while now we actually I think Daniel invited you but then you invited but then you told me that you got this invitation for a festival and then I said you must do it I think that it was okay I am I never yeah okay Daniel but it's also I would say it's also a product of collaboration Pamela and we have already for quite some months exchanging ideas discussing things and so on so I would say it's a natural logical step that we are now here that we will also meet other activists at the festival we are together at the opening of the festival unfortunately it's too short but we could both talk all day a question in the back my name is Leo I am involved here in the house and freelancing for Noest Deutschland my question would be maybe to Srećko and Pamela when you've been talking about the Green New Deal and for sure as you said every alternative to the part assisted are happening nowadays are just great and we have to welcome them but maybe it's a very long discussion but to make it short isn't it too late somehow you know you were talking also about the catastrophe that is going on and the situation we are living now and we are in now and don't we need something much much more radical something that is a real rupture to the to the system we live in should I you go ahead of course it's too late that's why we have to go crazy and do everything we can and gather as many people and do as many festivals and not just talk and do things individually push our governments and do what the Zhili Zhilin are doing just get out on the streets and really have to activate because it is too late but we have to make it better for our children and this is why deem and these new deals and government things are really important because they have to work hand in hand if I may respond as well it might be too late but I think what we have to do is really to create something what seems impossible today which would be a sort of planetary democracy if you want based on green energy and a green transition what is happening at these days you know we are not alone I mean this is a proof that we are not alone you know at this table you have an Austrian you have someone who was born in a country which doesn't exist anymore so I'm Croatian but I live everywhere there is a Canadian who lives in France I'm a philosopher she's an actress we're all different you know we come from different ways of life but we are here in Graz in Austria today at the same time there is a green new deal being advocated in the United States it became very popular at least there is a big discussion about it at the same time there are the children's strikes all over the world I put a lot of hope into them but to quote a French philosopher Maurice Blanchot the apocalypse is disappointing and why is the apocalypse disappointing this is what Blanchot said because we didn't succeed to create something which we are going to lose and only by creating this something which we are going to lose and this is a true global community based on a green new deal we would be able to prevent the apocalypse and I think this is the good point that today we have to do our best even if it's too late already if we don't do anything we maybe have a decade or two if we do something we might have a few decades more but I think we should also go in the direction of where the conveli gurus are going I don't know if you saw recently what Jeff Bezos the richest person in the world the owner of Amazon at the private talk in New York said he was dreaming about space exploration and how we will outsource industry to the space and so on and you know you might think whatever you think about this plan I think of course that he should pay taxes and use the taxes for a green new deal to the space or the Mars to invest as much as possible to preserve the planet but I think also at the same time and that's why we are here and that's why we need Pamela I would say we need imagination, dreams and emotions and this is Pamela what she is doing the best I would say because she is honest and if we have dreams, imagination and hope I think hope is the crucial concept of the 21st century we need something what the silicon valley gurus space exploration and so on where did the utopian thinking of the progressive disappear I think what we are trying to do here even if it's too late to offer such a vision you know and it's not just a green dream you will have a problem in the United States now that 3.5 million trucks drivers will lose their jobs what will you do then of course some there in the silicon valley are proposing the universal basic income what we are proposing at the M25 democracy in Europe is a universal basic dividend so if we have the technological means already at hand which means that we could have full automation, artificial intelligence, smart trucks, smart boats and everything what will the people do and then you need to find a mechanism from technology from which the people could make a living and not just be consumers and Amazon will send you know books from Mars to Earth which will be uninhabitable Hi I'm Elvis and I came from Italy and I'm a philosopher too but since I'm a philosopher I would like to make you this question because some months ago so I have also I always had a kind of humanistic approach to culture and to life and to journalists until some months ago where I did a professional course of environmental journalism very interesting and the professor was almost scientist of physics at the Polytechnic of Milan most of them and what I found really interesting was the fact that I mean I really learned a lot of new things that I didn't know first of all that the scientists, the community of scientists are completely agree with most of the topics so it's not just a matter of values or defend the right party or the left party but it's a matter of science and of ethical journalism you know what I mean because in Italy I read a lot of newspapers and there are a lot of fake news about the environment that are completely ideology and there is nothing scientific in some news that are really absurd things and so what I want to ask is also a member of DM25 which is the role of science that the party you as one of the main mind of the party are you going to give to the movement which is the role you are going to give to science and what do you think is necessary to do to fight fake news about climate change and environment issues in general is it clear my question it's clear let me if I may just very short respond also in a philosophical way if you might allow me you know Alice in Wonderland and in Alice in Wonderland you have a beautiful dialogue between Alice and Humpty Dumpty when Alice asks Humpty Dumpty how can you make that words have so many meanings and you know what Humpty Dumpty answers he says it's only the question who is the master and that's all like the point was that the one who is in power imposes meaning and that you can see as well with Donald Trump with Bolsonaro in Brazil with Sebastian Kurz if you want in Austria and so I think it's really it's wrong to think that these people are climate deniers and this you will hear all the time these people are denying you can see the sun outside blah blah blah how can you speak about climate change they are not denying it Warren Buffett whom I quoted capitalist economy is leading in that direction that we will have no earth so my quick answer to you is we need to take political power whether it means running for the European Parliament some random people like us you know I never imagined to run for the European Parliament I don't even want to end up there to be honest I would be happiest I would be happiest to be at the Croatian island and write books but unfortunately the sea levels we rise so in the 20 or 30 years there would be no islands my islands in Croatia are already full of garbage I cannot solve it the local community cannot solve it we need a pan-european global response to it and that's why I'm active for instance regarding scientists we need them more than ever they were drafting the programme of the European Spring which is the coalition which we are running for the European elections and so on but we also need that's why I mentioned the indigenous knowledge if you want the indigenous knowledge I think is crucial in what way what Pamela already said what is you know I'm also vegetarian for 20 years and I think I never mention it publicly until now but I think now is the time to become vegetarian vegan because it is connected because the way you treat animals the way you treat other people the way you treat nature is the way what kind of world will we have so in this sense yes we need scientists we need indigenous knowledge we need local communities cooperatives, municipalism bioregionalism I think bioregionalism is a crucial term in order to resist but we also shouldn't be ashamed or we shouldn't be scared to go for the biggest institutions in the world if I may add something which might sound megalomaniac but you can read the article by Yanis Varoufakis and David Adler in The Guardian which is our proposition to radically transform the international monetary fund and the World Bank which would actually help funding the European the Green New Deal globally and I think we need such bold ideas if they will you know become reality I don't know we are doing our best but if we were not today here or not doing our best to be honest I wouldn't have a reason to wake up there in the audience is my nephew who is three years old and I don't have a child Pamela has children Michael is three years old what will the world look like in three decades when he will be of the age of me or a bit younger you know this is something which really concerns all of us and I think we should do our best okay sorry yeah Andreas Miller here for the Daily Newspaper This is a question for Ms Anderson you tweeted lately Kurtz is proud to have closed the Balkan route and I'm proud to be coming to Austria next week and to show that this is not an answer to Europe's deep problems what do you want to tell our Chancellor of Austria if he was listening right now I'm just obviously very concerned about the refugee crisis all over the world and there's so many reasons why we're in this position we're all going to be climate refugees at some point so we have to consider how we treat these people that are coming from places of war that they didn't start and the meddling of US there's so many elements to it and I just think that human just to be human to human to see these people suffering and not being able to start new lives and to shut down things and build walls is just not the answer it's not the human it's not humane and it's just ridiculous so I'm trying to just I help everywhere I can at different refugee centers in Kalei a lot and I speak to people and I speak to children and I just can't imagine that this is just spoken so lightly about in the press and when you really meet people how could you shut down any way of people to kind of have a better life so it's just discouraging to see people in power do this perfect thanks I have two questions left I mean and if anybody else has some questions please give me a sign otherwise we would finish the press conference in about 5 minutes so that would be great so my name is Harold I have a very short question I like the ideas of your movement I think it's not a party it's a movement that's how I see it so the crucial thing will be maybe that's a question for Danny but maybe also for Pamela later to add how are you going to motivate the people to vote for you I mean that's the thing are you going to make a TV series or is there something in the line how are you going to get the people to vote for you how do we get the people to vote for us obviously in April and May there will be huge campaigns and millions of euros spent all across Europe to motivate people to put across in the respective box this is what most people most parties in Europe do we don't have money we only have people we have us and this is what we want to show we want to show people we are one of us we are all the same this is about Europe and the people of Europe and what you see is what you get we are not the perfect people we are the misfits as you said but we are trying and I think it's time for us to stand up as I said earlier I think 90% of the European population thinks in a similar way the only thing that keeps us all from standing up and why we are not more people in the front of the cameras is because it's scary to speak up in Europe at the moment people are afraid so we are encouraging people to be brave and to do something different not be part of the bewildered herd and not do what your parents told you and everything else just question authority question what you even taught your whole life we need time now and we need unique thinkers and so to take a chance you vote for somebody and they are institutionalized in 70-50 days they are not the person that you voted for so you really have to vote for a movement you have to do something that you've never done before because it hasn't worked and look what's happened to the planet and people talk a lot and I think it would be a really bold sexy move to somebody completely just wild and that's what we have to do perfect so I would vote for Pamela if she was running I wouldn't I would be a counsellor or head of European commission I think you would do a much better job than the guys in power now and it would be much more fun and what I forgot is the questions from the facebook live so we can do that afterwards after this question yes my question also goes to Pamela Anderson with all your being an advocate for VikiLeaks for now DM25 how do you integrate all your activists in your professional life so have you come across barriers like being a vegan not wearing fur have there been jobs or films you had to turn down or people saying okay I'm a little high maintenance yeah narrow road that I can go down because I don't think I'm that welcome in Hollywood circles or you know a lot of things are tested on animals so I won't work for different companies and I try to have as much integrity as I can I call myself a naughty vegan because I'm in France difficult difficult so I do the best I can and I encourage people to do the best they can but yeah it's not about money and if I had to make money and I don't want to have integrity then I wouldn't I don't care I don't need it I don't need I'd rather stick to at least apply what I learned to my life and so and that's what I that's what I do and I really enjoy this I mean but I know I have a lot of diverse causes but it really all goes together you know starting with PETA and environmental issues and you know trying to save the rainforest and working with people and doing vegan bags and you know vegan makeup and cruelty free this we can do it it's easy the choices are there and 20 years ago everybody thought I was crazy because I wanted to make bottles out of corn you know for hair products and and now it's in fashion so it's you know she is no no more fur and and you know that everyone's always excited to tell me when I see these big designers they run up to me and say we're doing it we're finally doing it I'm like thank you very much thank you thank you I know I sounded crazy a long time ago but it's in fashion to have compassion and and you come from the future I would say because you already had the ideas you know I had the ideas I'm always ahead of my time I don't know how to monetize it I don't I'm really bad with all that but everyone says but I'd rather I'd rather be a pioneer and I'd rather just you know like I said be brave and do things differently than everybody else that makes an interesting life and it keeps you young I think one last question right from or from the Facebook live yeah and hello to everyone who is watching us so we got one really interesting question I'm also very interested in so how did you get to know each other I would say we met in Berlin we met in Berlin what did you say I was trying to be easy yeah but I would say the answer is actually Julian Assange it's our common friend who who basically put us in touch and since we cannot meet Julian or we can meet him at the Ecuadorian Embassy but it's pretty tough at the moment then we are trying to do together the best we can and then when we met in Berlin we stayed in touch and this is actually only the second time we meet perfect and this is for you would you have imagined 10 or 20 years ago you joined forces with Pamela Anderson well 20 years ago I was 16 I think I was not anymore but when I was watching Baywatch perhaps at that time I could imagine running on a beautiful Californian beach with Pamela but to be honest I would never imagine that we would be here today Graz is a city where me and my parents came when Yugoslavia collapsed and Croatia was in a war it was the only place where you could get AGM and these products and so on I know it might sound as a contradiction and at that time when in the 90s we were watching Baywatch which was a kind of you know dream for us although now today we know that US and California have plenty of problems but can you imagine a country during war when you can see all these pictures we didn't know yet that the end of history would never happen you know this Fukuyama's point that the liberal democracy will be the end of the story and so on and that basically you know this dream was fake that not everyone in the world can lead a first style first world lifestyle their scientists were saying that if everyone on the globe today would lead a first world lifestyle that we would need seven planets similar to planet Earth to lead such a lifestyle so no I wouldn't imagine it but who knows what will happen in one year or in five years maybe something even beyond our wildest imagination that's it yeah we have together with Janis Varoufakis you founded dm25 2016 three years later you are on the ballot for the new elections in Germany tell us more about your aspirations we will see you as a European parliamentarian this year you already answered it only if Pamela comes to the European parliament as well to give a speech perfect but I think we should slowly finish because we have if there is a question from a journalist please go ahead for a last question if not one more? one more and then we finish everybody else can send me an email if you have any more further questions so thank you very much that's my last question I think so Pamela you said it's not 5 to 12 it's 12 already it might be too late already and still you don't tell people to go vegan so I'm still thinking about this and I partly agree but how can it be not our moral obligation as a human to be a voice for those who are screaming for their lives outside in these slaughterhouses and how can we as persons put much pressure on those who are responsible to finally reach that the case for animal rights will come on the political agenda well I have a lot of activist friends who are very extreme and I find that they have their role to play and I have mine and I feel that I get a lot further if I can talk to people about lifestyle and about improving their lifestyle or changing their lifestyle for health reasons for compassionate reasons for all sorts of reasons because sometimes when you just you know drive it down their throats that they're the end of the world they don't want to listen they put their fingers in their ears and they don't do anything so I think it's important to encourage people positively and be grateful for the small changes and hope for the big changes but yes of course to be vegan is important and it's very important to me but some other people may you know try to reduce the amount of meat that they eat or you know use less plastic or there's all sorts of things you can do so we all have to as a collective community we can do better but I'm not going to dismiss somebody who's trying but I'm going to encourage people to do the best they can and to educate themselves because people don't necessarily you know what do I know I mean I've educated myself I've made my own personal decisions and I've talked to my own children about that but I don't think a lot of people want to listen to me sometimes about what's the best thing to do for them so I just encourage people to find out for themselves and it's proven that the meat industry is terrible for the environment and there's so many other things we have to do so many things and it's going to take sacrifice and create different habits and it's going to take a lot of work thank you thank you so much for being here if you want to hear more about it please let us know on the opening event of the elevator festival and we thank you for being here we're able to use the space and it's all so well organized I'm looking forward to the festival it's going to be wonderful if anyone has questions please let me know I'm the press speaker of the German elections I have a visit card we have a website on which you can read our program www.deineuropa.jp and otherwise thank you so much thank you for coming and I hope to see you again soon