 From the SiliconANGLE Media Office in Boston, Massachusetts, it's the CUBE. Hi everyone, I'm Sam Cahane with Senior Wikibon Analyst Stu Miniman and you're watching the CUBE. In 10 minutes or less, we're going to teach you everything you need to know about DockerCon 2017. Here's the agenda. We're going to start with the basics. What is DockerCon and why you should care? Then we're going to discuss the maturity of the container ecosystem. After that, we're going to talk about Docker as a business. Then we're going to finish by talking about the users and what they should look for at the show. I'm really excited to have Stu Miniman with me. He is our DockerCon expert. Stu, how many years have you been at the show? Sam, it's the fourth year of DockerCon. It will be my third show. Also, the third year we've had the CUBE there. I was at the first one in 2014. It's a super exciting show. Everybody got all hyped up for a couple of years. It was just Docker, Docker, Docker, everything. Then from the second year on, we've done the North American show. Maybe we'll do the Copenhagen show later this year because Docker will be back in Europe. It's super exciting. We're going to do two full days of live coverage from Austin, Texas. You'll be joining us. I will be. Who are you hosting with? John Furrier will be there. John and I host a lot of the open-source shows. John's known DockerCon since that first 2014. It was actually at a Red Hats summit. We interviewed Solomon Hikes, who's the founder of Docker, the company. So much history. We can't get through all of it in the under 10 minutes. But super excited for the container ecosystem, everything that's going on. It's still been a bubbling and exciting area. You've seen this show grow. Let's talk a little bit about the maturity of the Docker ecosystem. As we said, there's so much history here, Sam. There's the Little D Docker, which is the open-source project itself and Big D, the company. Let's talk about containers and the ecosystem. While Docker didn't create containers, Docker is the company that really has democratized it for the world. So it reminds me a lot of VMware. So VMware didn't come up with the idea for virtual machines, which actually goes back to the mainframe era, but they helped bring it into the PC world. And in the same way, Docker is really taking this container format, which had existed in a couple of other operating systems. And it takes that Linux container, which is how we look at bundling things really at the application layer, making it really simple, usually ties into a lot of people talking about how microservices fit into it. A lot of these new frameworks are leveraging containers. So containers are maturing. And some of the problems that we've had in the past with infrastructure, how does it work with infrastructure? How do things like storage and networking work? The community in the container world have been knocking those down. And Docker, the company, has also been knocking those down. So containers are definitely maturing. It's definitely something that, in many ways, we've gone through the peak of hype. Through a little bit of the trough of disillusionment, if you follow the normal hype curve. And today, containers are being used in a lot of ways. What we still want to see is how many companies are actually fully using containers in production environments. Is it all stateless storage? Is there stateful storage? There's lots of startups, lots of big companies. Everything from, heck, Microsoft just bought a company, Deus, which if you look them up, oh, it's in the container ecosystem. We'll talk about the competitive piece at the end. Every cloud today is talking about containers in there. So containers are here to stay. They're an underlying foundational piece of what's happening in the infrastructure and application world. And Docker Tons really the center place for a lot of us to gather to talk about that. Great. So this is Docker Show. How is Docker doing as a business? Yeah, so it's interesting. We had a couple of, it's been some struggles over the last couple of years, is to be separating containers and Docker, the open source, versus Docker, the company. Last year, there was a little bit of air sucked out of the ecosystem when Docker said, oh, well, we have this way to manage lots of containers called Docker Swarm. Docker Swarm is great. It's pretty simple. It works well. But when Docker said, well, when you buy our solution, it comes bundled with it. Also, people were saying, well, I might prefer to use Mezos. I might want to do Kubernetes. We've covered Kubernetes really cool stuff with KubeCon show that we've done itself. So Docker's like, well, the old term was batteries are included, but swappable. But the community kind of bristled at a lot of that. What I like is that Docker has done some repackaging. They now have two flavors that you can get of the Docker solution. There is Docker CE, which is the community addition, which is the free open source. Releases are coming like every six weeks. That can be tough for a lot of people. And how much do I just take it and use it? So Docker understands that they want to bring this to the enterprise. So they created the EE, or Enterprise Edition, which has release cycles that fits with the enterprise more. It has really the service and support that you kind of expect there. It reminds me a lot of anybody that's been in this space. You look at what happened in the Linux world. You look at what happened with VMware and their maturation over time. And we see Docker kind of moving in that general direction. But it still remains to be seen. We go to the show last year, Docker Swarm. Some people got frustrated as to what Docker put together. What will Docker announce this year? Will they take on a piece of the ecosystem where people are taking dollars? Or where are the dollars and how do customers consume, or some of the big questions that we look at? What are the competitive dynamics here? Yeah, so Sam, I mentioned containers are fitting in everywhere. Every note that I get from cloud players here, it's kind of assumed that there's containers underneath. When you go to Amazon show, Google show, Microsoft show, containers are there, and Docker is in a big way. Most of the cloud services that are put together have Docker. There's great partnership, Docker with Amazon. Microsoft actually created containers for Microsoft. People were like, oh my gosh, I looked at it and said, this is probably going to take three years. Microsoft moved faster than I ever thought they would to be able to make. I can have Linux containers and I can have the Windows containers. And I can actually manage them together. They're not swappable. There's still two different formats. But Docker supports, has support and worked on both of those. That was amazing to see. Google is greatly involved in containers and Docker's there. And of course, I can do on-prem solutions also. So competitively, the big question is like, who makes money? Because all of these cloud players, whether you're IBM, Amazon, there's pieces of the pie that they're going to take. So where can Docker actually get a footprint? That big D Docker? Because there's lots of companies that I talk to that say, oh yeah, we're using containers and I use the Docker format. But maybe I'm only using the registry from Docker. Or oh wait, IBM has a registry, Microsoft has a registry. Everybody has that. Where am I actually coming to Docker the company? And I think as we see that CE and EE that I mentioned earlier play out, Docker does have an opportunity there. But it's an interesting competitive dynamic. There's always that given push from the ecosystem as to, Docker built a big ecosystem and do they eat parts of it? Allah, Intel in the past and even VMware has done some of that. Or can they live amongst that and make a good living? Because they were their unicorn. I mean, I think they were over a billion dollar in valuation when they had less than $10 million in revenue, which is just one of those astronomical valley things that you look at. But containers are all over the globe. Huge adoption of the project itself. And it's going to be great next week to get the pulse from everybody as to where they are, where they're winning, and what customers are doing really cool things with that they couldn't do before they had containers in general and Docker specifically. Yeah, so speaking of the show, it's going to be the biggest DockerCon to date. Very excited for that. So the users and the community that's at the event, what should they look for? Yeah, so the first thing is let's look to our peers. What customers are going to get on stage? Are these ones from the valley or kind of the Web 2.0 companies that you're like, oh yeah, that's interesting, but people want to see the financial services companies. People want to see retail companies. Where are they using containers? Where are they using it in production? What kind of use cases are they doing? How have they rewritten, changed their businesses to take advantage of this? Because the business can only move as fast as their applications are and Docker is one of those things that can really help accelerate that pace of change and move people along. So hearing from the users, hearing from that update, hearing that Docker is doing well, understands what their future is, understand where they fit in the ecosystem, I think is one of the things that we want to kind of take away from that show. Right, and if you're not at the show, you can watch The Cube, so we'll be broadcasting on Tuesday and Wednesday. We have some great guests coming on from Cisco, Canonical, Red Hat, Scalely, Aguazio, Appalariate, even more companies. Any interviewers you're really excited for? Yeah, so I mean, first of all, some of the Docker executives. We get Solomon Hikes on. Is Solomon the benevolent dictator of the Docker community? Or he's the founder of Docker. So he's great, Ben is the CEO of the company. Jerry Chen is the one who invested in it. And as you mentioned, we've got a bunch of the vendor ecosystem, big thing to our sponsors that allow us to broadcast from that show and hoping to have a few users on. So we always get in some of the keynote people, some of the other guests, any practitioners that are out there that are willing to tell their story. We always appreciate what they can reach out and talk to us. Great, Stu, thank you so much. That's all the time we have today. Watch us next week, Tuesday and Wednesday, full days of coverage from DockerCon. And come by the Cube on Wednesday. We're going to have Franklin Barbecue at 1 p.m.