 Thank you for keeping us company and if you just tuned in this is OI 254 news highlights and our discussion Monday begins with our discussion tonight talking about the county voids we want to see where is our position especially Nairobi county where now a section of mce is planning to impeach the speaker who is our governor quotes and quotes. I'm speaking to Sirius Litz or he's an analyst. Good evening sir. Good evening. Karibusana. Now we've had problems with our country in terms of governance and already as we speak three counties do not have their governors. We have Samburu, we have Kimbu and we have Nairobi. Yes and in the case of Nairobi the person in charge the mce is a planning to remove fast things fast if she goes what happens to Nairobi county. Thank you very much. First of all I want to send my condolences condolences to the late Charles Dubia who was the father of the multi party. We are enjoying right now. Right now I can say from where I see it I see Elachi being impeached is a big tricky. Why? Looking at the rolling on 7th May 2019 she saved from impeachment until father noticed not anytime soon not today not tomorrow and for her coming back it was strategic because one she enjoys the political divide from both Jubilee and ODM and the ones who impeached her were the Jubilee mcs with a few support from ODM mcs but the one who fought for half come back are the ODM mcs so she enjoys right now she enjoys the political support from both parties which form the Nairobi county assembly and when she was impeached it was something that was choreographed by let me put in quotes subject to to be for contradiction by the governor himself sonko is the one who choreographed the impeachment of Elachi because one sonko has been fought or sonko has been targeted for a while and for him remember when he was when the nomination of Jubilee in 2017 there was a controversy there was an interest there is a team that had interest in peter kenef and there's a team that had interest in sonko so the sonko team saw sonko will deliver the seat because they were that a jubilee cannot be the government and yet they are not rolling Nairobi Nairobi is in the opposition so compared comparison between sonko and peter kenef sonko was the best bet to deliver the seat for jubilee and that because of numbers because of numbers and because it's support that he enjoys in Nairobi remember when he was being voted in for a senator the vote he garnered even more votes than what the president got in Nairobi county so these one these were some of the things that gave him an upper hand against against peter kenef who they believe they cannot lead and then they gave him a competent and a very serious educated person Igade to assist him but Igade could not work with him because sonko also believed Igade was being smart yes and also to some extent sonko saw whatever is happening right now then the only thing sonko didn't do is to safeguard himself all right and when sonko realized this was coming that's why he planned for the impeachment of elachi and he took the leadership and gave it to the speaker leadership and gave it to the gara mca maora chege and so you saw he has chege has been acting for a very long period of time till now okay but but now you see you just mentioned it was strategic for elachi to be impeached yes but also uh i would want to understand was it strategic thing for her to now come back because as soon as she came back then sonko problems began yes was it strategic that she gets into the office then sonko is arrested now remember i say that she's enjoying the support from the political divide remember after the handshake there there were two camps that were formed by the women one inua dad i mean mama another one team embrace now she placed herself with team embrace okay which head numbers as well head numbers and which was very vibrant and which they say they were supporting the handshake you saw they are there they ideally they were running with they were supporting the handshake okay so this are some of the things that made her okay come back because she placed herself strategically with people like glad is wanga okay and you see the friendship between uhuru and raila so glad is wanga you can say this is like a personal friend to raila so when elachi go walks with glad is wanga what do you expect but to come back so later we see her coming back and the odm mcs are the one who brings her to the office and supports and tells these others and release some other few mcs okay if anyone comes and touches elachi and you saw how it was if anyone comes and touches elachi then we are going to deal with you and that was the message and that's why i'm telling you right now to impeach to come back to go to the assembly and impeaching uh this this lady the speaker to be very tricky and very challenging because one the court ruled that she will never be impeached till further north the ruling on 7th may 2019 then the political divide supporting her okay so when she came back sunko it was now time to fry sunko sunko has been fried now he's facing how he's dancing to his own tune and looking at the ruling that uh uh just is uh mubingugi uh did uh sometimes back on zamburu governor and waititu that any governor facing graft allegations should not access the office the other time we saw sunko giving a press conference stating that she don't he would prefer justice mubingugi not to deliver that ruling again but what happened whoever deliver the the the ruling reinstated to what the other judge had said earlier on so right now what's the system and let me now put the system is working now towards its goal okay the goal is doing away with sunko and it's going to work strategically because i've seen the minority the minority whip in my talk the mkongeni mca has stated clearly they have to impeach sunko because his case even the court the court that ruled lachi should not be impeached the same ko that said suspended the impeachment of sunko so the only thing that is remaining is maybe him being jailed and if he is not jailed he will come back then what happens from there for sunko coming back based on the ruling of uh just is mubi it is being it is tricky because he cannot access the office at the moment and you saw when this governor even waititu when he tried to say that uh i want to set aside another office you saw what the dpp responded okay because dpp is also watching them you saw when the sambulu governor tried to reshuffle the office you saw what the dpp said there are they he'll go to he'll he'll he'll ask the court so that the governor be arrested and his bail be fufaited what does it mean he'll go to jail and go into jail now sambulu needs to have another leadership okay whether the deputy governor takes over and after taking over now he appoints the the the deputy governor which something that everybody is protecting so i rather sit there in the house and not attend to uh matters concerning governance in my county rather than being behind bars okay okay now for sunko it's a bit tricky because this one sunko and waititu is tricky because this one the system is fighting them remember there are two fractions in jubilee there's the keleoke team and the tanga tanga team as they say themselves okay but the the groups are dying now uh we can say the groups are dying but the groups are i've come i've come up again if you look at the nation of today the the the the tanga tanga team and keleoke team are also fighting over the issue of what waititu okay so the the tanga tanga team are calling upon their members to support waititu and that's why even you see it has been tricky for even tuju himself right when he called the mcs okay to hold on the on the on the impeachment thing the other the other two weeks or one week ago at the office at the jubilee offices but later on the impeachment has been carried out okay but the question is they were in nakuru these other mcs they were in nakuru and these ones were in the in the county assembly how did they know the numbers were not sufficient enough to deliver an impeachment all right before we touch on uh waititu yes there's this also a very one thing that we know about our judiciary system yes we have had cases dili dali we push and pull we are here waiting waiting do you think at this particular time and period the judiciary will hold the people of Nairobi at transom wanting to rule on the case of sonko and knowing the fate of the Nairobians in terms of governance uh i don't i've never placed a blame on judiciary alone i place the blame on the dci esc and then the judiciary because there are reasons to why a case can be adjourned in the court one when a judge or a magistrate has been transferred and he or she is handling your case now your case will be adjourned because you need to face now another new magistrate or judge that is number one number two a case can be adjourned when the the the police officer is engaged who is handling your case is engaged somewhere and cannot appear in the court number three a case can be adjourned when the prosecution fails to to present the witness in court so if all these things are well planned then there'll be an expert the case will be but now we have seen these cases yes every time there's a problem do you think this thing will happen you will hear so and so has been transferred and this thing has happened so and there's no evidence enough evidence actually are we going to see that case right now what i can say the transfer of magistrational judges i think i cannot count on it at the moment but my worry is the dci and the esc they say they have enough evidence the question is they have only said they have enough evidence like you see the case of the samburu governor has taken a long time in courts okay and i believe if there's enough and sufficient evidence then this person just should prevail okay but because of the delidaling i believe there's something also wrong with them okay so what we only need to do we need also a timeline you see like the you see like the the presidential the the presidential petition how it has a timeline what we need we need to have a timeline on such a matters on economic crime matters let me put it that way economic crime matters because these are economic crime okay we need to have a limit when the case should be hard all right okay and when it is referred to the high court how long should it take so if we have such a timeline then we shall serving justice to our people because also the voters or the constituents are also waiting for this they also need to understand what is their next step what should they do because they are also orphans you elect someone someone who will become and later be accused of of corruption cases okay or whatever case then you have you lack leadership there's a leadership vacuum because this person cannot access the office all right a little corruption charges there's another scenario of governor obado who apart from the the the mother case there was also a corruption case where did it go we go to governor yes there was also a corruption case if you can follow very well there was also a corruption case on top of that so where did this corruption case go this is what we need to question from the DCI's and the EACC's we have less than two minutes and I want you to comment on this one factor that our system political system in terms of impeaching a governor and making sure now he is not the anomaly the case in of Waititu the mcs did what they did but now he has to go through the Senate and this Senate are we sure they will stand firm and impeach him completely that is a worry we have now we have less than two minutes thank you it's a big worry bearing mind the senators discovered one thing you can be a senator today and tomorrow a governor so they are looking at if I do if I slice my friend today if I slaughter my friend today tomorrow I'll be slaughtered what you do to others what you do to others will be done unto you so those are some of the games that are trying to play safe and also the system also the the the system also has deprived the voters their rights because one if the senators impeach the governor the governor will run to court okay when the court will reinstate the governor or will not reinstate the governor the governor will go to the higher court okay and them is moving and them is you saw the case of Wambora Senate passed the the impeachment thing okay then he ran to the courts the courts allowed uh supported the Senate then he went to the higher court the higher courts upheld and reinstated him as a governor so you see such a challenge is what we have in our governor and system and I think the chapter six of the constitution should be looked into not only when somebody is going for an election or a higher office but also when somebody is in the office the chapter six of the constitution should be looked into and is this a recommendation that should have been recognized through the bbi other than saying the speaker should come up very true these are some of the recommendation that most people who did their presentations to the bbi missed out because if we can relook into the ethics chapter the chapter six of the constitution then we shall safeguard ourselves as the Kenyans and the Kenyan voters because devolution was meant to bring services to the common manaji to the locals but devolution actually is serving very few because when the money is sent from the count from the national immigration to the counties this money for development is very little but for these other expenditures is very high entertainment you see every governor is holding a christmas party where this money is coming from we are a lot of time you know final words very briefly my final word is we as Kenyan voters we need to take our leaders into accountability it is high time we need to protect our country it's high time we need to protect our image and it won't come from our leaders till come from us the Kenyan voters so it's high time all right many things for coming and sharing your comments he has been my guest as well as a little he's another list coming up next is why a masha riki with Kendra Elbis and DJ T.S.K.O.B seeing you again in the end of the year keep it y254 my name is Adereva Hillary have a very very wonderful night and Merry Christmas to you goodbye