 The simple answer I can provide is that we have a government and a president who clearly got into office through deceit and lies. If it was lies purely out of lack of understanding, possibly what would have hurt by now is a confession from the president that I didn't know how government operates. I think engaged in discussions or my discourse in terms of political promises are clearly lack of understanding. Now that I'm in government, I have discovered that the situation is totally different. And to that effect, I am learning the ropes but I'm determined and my intentions as president my heart's condition towards the welfare of the government people is such that I mean well I want us to move forward. And therefore we're going to work together to make sure that this is in work. But clearly it looks like the lies were deliberately packaged and these are people who understand that their deceit will soon, just as it has happened, be exposed. To divert the attention of the Zambian people from what they promised and the Zambian people holding them to account, they have undertaken a crusade through their propaganda machinery to try and paint the patriotic front as a group of people who preoccupy themselves with criminality when we're in government. The president, Mr. Akande Ichilema, had even the audacity to face the world through BBC to give misinformation, maybe misinformation will not be aware that people easily understand to lie to the world and say, I have found empty coffers. The patriotic front as a government borrowed money to a tune of 36 billion dollars and therefore it's all a mess and this money went into people's pockets. It has delivered nothing. Because of all these glaring lies from even the highest office of the land and now also carried through by his retainers and ministers trying to bash PF and so on the next thing was to try and validate their narrative of saying PF is what is corrupt. The president has been obsessed to a point of getting deck, SEC, the police and everybody at his house every day in the morning at lunch in the evening giving them instructions you need to find something. Clearly there is a desperate effort to try and validate the narrative the president has been preaching both locally and internationally to suggest internationally in an unpratotic manner where you wash debt line in public some of which is basically if not most of it based on false words. So what do you do? You have to arrest some people. Now in arresting some people the starting point was first of all Wait a minute Honour Ponakashint. Is it unusual that the SEC and DC, is it unusual that they should be reporting to the president as you are making it sound like it's out of the ordinary? It is unusual and every citizen of the republic should be concerned that the president himself begins to get involved in the day-to-day operation of these law enforcing agencies because then that heav handedness has the potential to make these institutions begin to operate in a politically inclined manner as it has been exhibited now. Let's say that the president has said we want to investigate through Kajoba we want to investigate crimes that were committed. Do you know the period? From 2015 to that. Targeting the period with which his predecessor president Edgar Chaganungu was president. What if the reverse is true? That the fact that cases that were committed crimes, alleged crimes that were committed as far back as 2015 are being prosecuted now Why doesn't that say a lot about the kind of regime the PF was? No, no. Repressive to the institutions that are supposed to investigate? Let me maybe answer it this way. If I'm given a responsibility to be DG for DAG or indeed SEC or one of the law enforcing agencies and it so happens that I'm serving under the repressive regime and from the UPND they believe that there were instructions that were coming from political leaders in PF. That's how they themselves are giving instructions because they think that is how PF was operating. That's what Mr. Akandeiichilema believes. He thinks that President Edgar Chaganungu was calling SEC to investigate that one go and do these things. So because of that and maybe he in his mind he was admiring what imagined was the power the president had to control these things and that's how come he has even passed a gazette notice to get DAG, SEC go to his office so that he can now be giving instructions. Now, if I was the director general and I receive instructions to do something that is professionally wrong I have only two options either to resign or to become an accomplice. So if you are saying that PF was such an oppressive government or patin government and therefore these people could not function properly the question is why didn't they resign if they didn't resign were they not accomplices and if at all the decisions that are being made are morally right why didn't they arrest first of all the accomplices and why I'm saying why less I'm on that one it means that we must have valid reasons and cases that these people did not investigate and they tolerated but in this case the reason why these people are still in offices is because they are saying to them there must be something that these people have done tell us what did the Kampiongo do as minister of home affairs when these people go and investigate and find nothing the president says no you are lying to me you must find something and in the end in fishing and so on they go and arrest on Obokampiongo over an incident in a campaign where it is alleged that or said that an helicopter failed to land in Siuangando because people there ran amok and so on in a campaign yes it involved an helicopter but there are incidences for example in Namoala where an FDD candidate for example was stopped from entering Namoala and people were beaten by the UPND carders and at the time there was a candidate there who was even cited in that activity they haven't been arrested you understand what I'm saying why this table standard people have died just in the recent campaigns and elections of 2021 what has happened not only Kungo there are people who died in western province people who died in southern province why is it that all those cases are not prominent they are not discussed the president himself has not even expressed discussed about such barbaric acts have you ever heard Misaka Ndeichilema condemn what happened about the proviso chairman for north western province Sudakungo nothing the only thing the president has said near to talking about the barbaric acts of UPND is saying you know our members know those who mistreated them they even know their home addresses and therefore is only natural that they would react and want to revenge but as it were we are trying to manage the situation ahead of state is your conscience clear as PF that morally you are standing on fame ground and no one should point anything into your camp that is not what I am saying because the patriotic France misconduct the judgment was meted out on the 12th of August who were kicked out of government that judgment from the Zambian people who have the final say in terms of political parties and those that are in government they meted out their judgment in this case those who are in government have the responsibility to make sure that justice prevails you understand what I am saying and justice is only guaranteed when the process to which that is to be achieved is professionally professionalism is guaranteed what is going on there is no professionalism okay let me give you examples you referred to Honobo Kampiungo Honobo Kampiungo it is said that the acts happened in Shuangandu what was wrong with Honobo Kampiungo being sent a call out or code to say you have to appear in Shuangandu on Friday this is a Honobo Member of Parliament is not a Friday risk you saved as a Mafias Minister you arrest him here you don't even charge him it is on one and caution you bundle him like a criminal in an open van with I don't know how many vehicles escort dramatizing this arrangement this is not about the merit of the case this is about propaganda to suggest that a home affairs minister misconducted himself to a point where helicopters were not allowed to land and so on and this old drama it is feeding into a narrative that the president has been carrying so that he can look good look at Honobo Malangi Honobo Malangi is big the only man who can buy a helicopter yes and that should be celebrated among Zambians Zambians must never tolerate that the narrative that a white man has always tried to indoctrinate in us that it is actually wrong for a black man to be rich that we have embraced as a people if I see you progressing you have started a TV station in my mind I begin to think you don't qualify to start a TV station you don't qualify to end you know money more than the basic that we know about that poverty mentality is what is eating us up Malangi has been a business person even before you know getting into becoming a member of parliament before getting into the ministerial position we know he is like Nisaka Indehichilema himself he claims to be a businessman of course we have issues we are hoping that Nisaka Indehichilema since he has been on the lips of all of us over the issues of privatization I thought that now he has an opportunity as president to say okay these are the president failed because of privatization since I have been a subject on this matter actually the investigations on issues of crime should start from the 90s so that we can also take an audit and investigate what happened around issues of privatization because even me for us as a people to heal and as a people to be able to look to the future with different lenses let all of us be subjected to this investigation open PF, UPND every data but the double standard is very clear is only you PF officials and PF former ministers and so on that are being probed