 These are great companies. The price that they are asking for their handguns is way too much. HK, the VP9 for between 700 and 800 dollars. The MK23, but that's like 23 to 2500 dollars. The Smith & Wessel Revolvers get a standard 686 at over 970 bucks. Upper 900, that's a starting point. It only goes up from there. FN, and the 509, 800 bucks. FN 509 Tactical. $1100. It takes it out of the price range in which most people are willing to pay.