 So, hi. Nice meeting you. Very nice meeting you. I did see you last year, but it was 24 years ago this year. Quite briefly, I'm sure. Okay, so anyway, so Ramona was just talking about possibly around June, June 18th, Euro time and 19th, Albert time. That is a virtual gathering of sorts, but I'm still listening about the details. So, that was the kind of context of what we're talking about. Okay, so should I just briefly do this? Okay, so it's hosted by Women Startup Lab. It's been around since 2013. I started with a bunch of other peoples who's passionate about having more women in tech industry and we always have been very much a holistic approach of a diverse team. We'll bring more diverse idea. And so, we've been doing Accelerator, but what we start seeing is not just having women being real stronger and equipped with many skill sets, but we want to realize that industry has to shift. There's a lot of unconscious biases. And so, for example, a lot of the entrepreneurs get first to place in the pitch event, continuously get first to place women entrepreneur, but second, third and fourth to place, other startup led by men, they eventually get their funding. Now, pitch event isn't the only way to verify, but we start seeing those patterns. So, after three years in Women Startup Lab, I start thinking really it has to be a systemic change, just like hunger project, hunger problem, not just the giving the food to solve the problem, but systematically how we can educate, how can we shift the system, and how can we have a stakeholder to be involved. So, it's not about one point, which is women being the better isn't really the solution of it. So, we've been doing this from Silicon Valley and working with amazing people around the world, but we wanted to elevate the conversation to the next level. And that's why last year we took a bite and decided to do this global event. And on the outside, it is, we, instead of calling it pitch event, we call it showcase of the top female and female entrepreneur. It's not about competing, compete to win, because who to say which startup is better? It really subjective. And so, we really believe it's about elevating a female entrepreneur, and they have an opportunity at the global level. And that's why we do this showcase of the top female entrepreneur from different parts of the world and allowing them to be in front of a different type of people, including the investor, the government, corporate venture team, and even university to join. So that maybe your startup idea wasn't so great in your region just because your ecosystem might be limited or not thrilled for the type of business. But when you get here, you now have a rest of the world thinking about what's possible with your startup. And so with that, we can bring women at the next level and bringing a stakeholder as a part of it because of global and stakeholder part of the government or some accelerator or even the venture. They get to see, wow, women are active. Women can think a big idea, because that's close the door. Many of investor friends said, look, I get it, all the data, but my experience has been great. Female entrepreneur now hasn't really impressed me. And that has a lot to do with a limited experience. And it's not really the true reflection of capability and equality of a woman entrepreneur. So to beat that, we decide to do this crazy 24-hour run, city-to-city ongoing rally of a female entrepreneur pitch. That's how it's being designed. So it is a one-day event. It is cities involved. It is government involved and universities involved. And we really have a conversation about, okay, what else can you do in this time? And especially this COVID-19, many people scare and feel like they don't have control to survive and succeed. And this is where we come together. This is where we see different places that we haven't seen. And I think having this sort of global togetherness, global rising, let you see the things that you never thought was possible. And so for us, this is a movement. This is opportunity we want to create. So the woman, too, has freedom to expand instead of being limited or something held back by culture, as you know. A certain culture just really still very, very deeply traditional. And the women are not, doesn't have a freedom. And so I'm hoping that this global activity opens up opportunity. So that's kind of the nutshell of the vision we have. Rise of women locally and empower them globally. And so that's what we're... That's awesome. Thank you. It's a very clear picture. So how may I help? I just checked my schedule in Taipei time on the 19th, which is a Friday. I have an engagement, I think, from 9.30 to around 10.30 in Ban Cao. And I expect that will probably run until like 11 a.m. And so I understand that this is a multi-time zone event. So one option is to start really early, like today's call or even earlier, like from 8 a.m. Taipei time. And that means that I can be around for around one hour. If I need to be around for two hours, I will have to start at 7 a.m. Taipei time and so on. And so I don't know whether the Taipei team will be fine with that, but that's how my schedule looks like. Thank you for being open. No, it would be wonderful. I have to check just to make sure that we thought through it, but for just hearing the schedule earlier is better, I'm assuming, because then not just the Asia, but the Western country has opportunity to hear you if we can have you come earlier. Yeah, 7 a.m. our time is 7 p.m. in the East Coast of the U.S., and which is not ideal, but okay. And it's fine with the West Coast too. Yeah, yeah. So I think morning time is great. Now, the Taiwan team's pitch session might be slightly different, but again, this is not a physical event this time. So it might not be particularly an issue. So I'm sure logistically we can work it out. But I think, you know, I really, I just want to thank you for being open because you hold such a special place for many of us and some of transparency that you bring and having technology to try to solve some of the problem, human being and human being. And it comes to good and bad, certain challenges that we inherited. But the technology sometimes is this way and take us to the next leap. And I think that's something that, you know, you have a quite depth in understanding how technology can impact the people. And something like that you could speak about and what is the globalizations and how the people integrate. Maybe you have some insight to that. Louisa, a particular topic you'll be interested in sharing. Yeah, usually I crowd source my topic. I use a software called Slido.com. Yeah, where people just after hearing maybe 5 or 10 minutes of a very kind of broad overview of the interest that I'm working on, then just start asking whatever. And then they can like each other's questions and the question that has the most number of likes means that I highlighted and share about my thoughts about it first. So it's like a fireside chat with the entire room. And this is particularly useful in a remote context because when we're skyping, there's endless distractions. There may be other windows, there may be your phone, there may be a lot of other things. It's even harder in face-to-face meetings, done face-to-face meetings to keep everybody's attention to a long lecture of one hour. It's actually impossible. Everybody gets distracted once in a while. And so Slido is makes it a active learning experience because if you feel the kind of psychological need of pressing like on something, somebody are addicted of that, they like each other's questions. If you feel the urge of posting something funny, a mimetic picture, a cat picture, something like that, you can do that on Slido. And as everything becomes a shared social object that instantly gets reflected back up to the audience. And so that is my preferred way. And that also makes it more interesting for me because then I can learn about what are the kind of topics that your audience and your community cares about. That's great. Slido founder Peter is someone I knew when he started. He started his company and my company is just about time. So we used to go to food truck and used to eat food together. So it's so great to see you. That's all. I've met the Slido Taiwan local representative. I'm still maintaining. I'm still in charge of Slido's traditional Chinese Taiwanese translation. And so we do have a relationship with the ideas of co-creation. It's not just we use a vendor or a software, but we're part of the Slido ecosystem. Yeah, that's great. When you hear about radical connection across the culture or across the country and what do you think the evolution of Slido of us connecting? What kind of technology should we look into? I mean, right now something just right in front of us would be using Skype and Zoom and then we actually connect. Is there any quantum leap or sort of a connection? Is that technology out there you know that, hey, you should consider connecting people and be able to collaborate your business? Here's a kind of technologies out there. I'm just kind of curious any thoughts on how the technology can move us forward. Definitely. So there's probably speaking of three kinds of technologies that I'm using kind of quite regularly. One telepresence, which is can be as simple as having a bunch of rotating chairs in an empty meeting room and then you just attach an iPad on each one of it and then you have a physical presence of attention management that when people talk, you know where they're coming from. Inhabit those iPads. Now, if you have a little bit of budget, then I usually use the telepresence robot called Double. Now in this third version, it's called Double 3 and it's very simple. You can just have your digital double and you don't have to navigate manually. Because it can sense the room, just like a Roomba, you can point to someone and then the robot will walk up to that person remotely. And it really brings the co-presencing in a kind of higher dimension, third dimension, whereas Gav is two dimension. So that is one branch of the work that we've been doing. The other branch is the flip side of it is to bring something that used to be very face-to-face experience into an online experience, but still feel that people are very close to each other. And this is what they call the home hackathon idea. And the home hackathon recently in the social innovation lab where Ramona and the team have always worked. We run an online hackathon, part of an online hackathon with more than 150 people from Korea, from Japan, from US, and so on, and make it very participative. And so I just posted a document where how they make this kind of co-presencing a reality. It involves a lot of like prerecording yourself introductions, like home delivery to order the same kind of pizza to everybody's home. It involves a lot of very interesting designs. It's something that you might want to look into. And it's now evolving to the degree where it's even possible for us to model the online room that closely resembles the room that we were physically in, but the COVID cannot be physically in so that people can like playing a very old role-playing computer game to feel that they are in the same room that they used to be. And then using video conferencing to attach their pictures and I mean live pictures on top of it. So this is the demo. You can not now, but eventually you can just click join and choose your avatar on the right-hand side. And the upshot of it is that you can be walking around with a picture of you and still chatting. And like this is how it works in practice. You can see a photo of me. I can just walk around in this virtual classroom and chat with people and experience more of the same communication styles. It can even do sound and tehnulation. I mean that when you break out to groups you only hear the room of your smaller group and the technology can work with the co-presenting technology in that if you inhabit one of the podiums like the podium on the upper left you actually inhabit the robots there. And so for you it's an online presentation but for people who are in that vicinity you actually start incarnating that avatar. So that's the second kind of technology. The third kind of technology that we use is called Polis. And at the moment Polis is being used to debate very pertinent questions about time which usually requires face-to-face deliberation otherwise people very easily mistake each other and especially people who know each other only from remote. But the design of technology makes sure that people can still get into a deliberative mindset even when people have been meeting for the first time. And so this is the website that a V-Taiwan community is sharing and it's run by a local media this particular topic but the software is provided by us. Is this one? And this one talks about it's a Mandarin but this one talks about how much human rights restriction are we willing to trade for COVID prevention? And it's a very pertinent and very important topic to talk about but one that is also very easily politicized. And this one design makes sure that it will not be politicized but actually produce a set of useful consensus. So this is a next slide but over time it's like a long slider that defines the agenda of our eventual face-to-face meetings we run this with the AIC, the defective U.S. Embassy to Taiwan also on the series of four digital dialogues that makes sure that we talk about the common vision between the U.S. and Taiwan on making Taiwan more uniquely seen in the world, economic relationship, security coverage, people-to-people ties and so on and you can read all about it here. So this is what I call listening at scale. So these are the three kind of technologies that are all open source, meaning that you don't have to pay for license fees unlike Slido and then you can customize here. That's wonderful. And you continue to engage people and this time we were recording here and what do you wish for some of us trying to have a global connection and bring the different opportunity maybe some advice to all of us here. What you wish, is there some direction that we should think about? We're open to hear any advice, right Ramona? Yes, yes. Yeah, we actually, we had a semi-regular, well not regular anymore interview with Ramona and in the social innovation lab and I think something like that is very useful, right? Because there's only so much webinars can do and webinar actually only works if you already have a shared value but webinar doesn't build a shared value and so a value building exercise before any webinar in a sort of like deep conversations or even just fireside chats among two or three people but not more than three people. I think it's essential especially around this kind of time that we, I think we're now saying physical distancing we're no longer saying social distancing because we want to be socially very connected despite this physical distancing. Right, so for human beings to build a social bonding of course that the food and the music and whatever is essential and that we can replicate somewhat remotely but nothing replaces a good face-to-face conversation across one and a half meters now of course. Some more face-to-face but two or three people only conversations that are one and a half meters across that gets broadcasted or at least recorded as we are doing now that engages people I think is better formats than webinars and that is I would say a prerequisite to webinars for people to first get the nonverbal cues in a more informal setting like not lecture informal setting before and say that we're connecting across cultural boundaries because otherwise you're basically just sharing the kind of one aspect like the startup aspect of very diverse coaches but that particular aspect although very transmissible over time and is also maybe the least interesting of that person if you're going to consider that person as a friend right because in the physical meeting startups or whatever other is just an excuse for us to hang out together so why should we let Skype dictate that it's no longer this excuse for us to hang out together but rather somehow that we have to put our attention on it's not fair so that's my main suggestion. Yeah thank you we when I started women's startup lab we just took on the regular accelerator model which was three months and often women couldn't leave home to be in the Silicon Valley three months right it's just kids and why not it's it's just too much and but it doesn't mean that they're not qualified for building a great company so I radically step in and said it's going to be two weeks and my team have threatened to leave the the company that's crazy there's no way you can provide a valuable accelerator from three months to two weeks and I said give me a time because that's where they can be away and how we can intensify the experience and learning and that's where we came up and with having this heat of house where people live together intense environment for two weeks so that really created a lot of bonding a lot of a deep conversation and not just the you trying to figure out yourself other get to know you so they start using their brain to tell you for the things that you never realize what's possible for your startup as well as you as an entrepreneur so you know with that with why is it 24 to it's not about event but how could we bring the people together but to the point of a meaningful connection and I will definitely figure out how people can get together even before the event part of a collaborate to win model we had all entrepreneur how to practice together versus other competition right you you only you compete so you don't help each other you just to meet on the day on the stage in this case is they got together so because of that by the time they finish their pitch some of them actually cry because of the joy or relief but that because so much of the bonding too so you know I'll take that there was a point and obviously you would work with Ramona you are all about people right all the connections so we'll put something together even before the event so we have a very meaningful connection and conversation so yeah thank you so much I know it's time is almost up yeah and then and I want to officially invite you to be our official advisor for for wise 24 yeah so I have to wear an advisor hat or something what does that entail no a little neck tie like this the bow tie not just kidding yeah thank you for joining us yeah no problem no problem so so just to logistically is 7 a.m sounding like a good idea to you or it should be a.m or something like that early early is the better right your early time that maybe we can put the placeholder and it's just to make sure that everything else is work around it okay okay okay okay I think that's that's good and so we will just put it on 7 to a 30 that that's that does that work for you okay it works and the taiwan tea taiwan tea need your help that please also record the small one like last time and then so we can we can put it on yeah so there's a beauty in sky function for that really yes yeah you have the heart's one yeah all right all right so so I've I've reserved 7 to 8 and to a 30 if necessary for the for the wise call yeah thank you great we'll give you update along the way so I hope this is not the last time we talk and just you know next time is like a year 18 hopefully we'll connect again um and uh let you know so okay hopefully one day we can all go back to silicon valley and stay in the woman star lab house because only only VIP can stay there and you are the one of the vhp yeah okay okay and we will have fireside talk yeah so and before that maybe you can rent a double three and just put it there and I can incarnate the robot staying in the garden yeah we need to try that yes thank you so much yeah thank you thank you so much so so are you fine with us just publishing this this video or uh do you need editing or anything like that I think we can just share right because it's just so it's honest didn't talk about yeah okay we did all the funky hard things yeah that's right that's right and we need more people we need more crazy people want to change your world join us so very welcome yeah okay here's to all the crazy peoples here yeah thank you cheers yay bye thank you bye bye awesome yes yes yes Ari I love you yeah I love you too okay I will 26 minutes you're still recording yes uh I can stop recording now okay