 Hello, everyone. Welcome. I'm James Milan. This is Talk of the Town, a legislative update as we love to do with our state representative, Sean Garberley. Sean, good to see you. James, good to see you. I hope you're well and warm during this snowy day. Doing pretty well in my comfortable kitchen, I have to say. I did, you know, I say it's good to see you. And I really mean that because we've been trying for a while. This update has been put off for, you know, a few weeks now since we initially tried. And that mostly has to do with the kind of schedule you were keeping right through the holidays and into the new year. So I'd like to ask, you know, first of all, it's an update. So we want to get a sense of, you know, what has happened of significance as far as your concern and the state legislature's concern in the last session that you'd really like to highlight. And then what, and then we'll focus on the months to come, which I think people are also going to be very interested in. But if you don't mind, Sean, just take us back through 2020, which hardly anybody wants to do in certain ways. But nonetheless, the accomplishments were there in the State House. So tell us what you think. Well, James, it's a very important question. And my apologies for not being able to do this interview sooner. It seemed that every time we had scheduled a interview, I got called either into session or at the moment on and during informal sessions, I'm running them in the House of Representatives, which kind of adds to my duties, which I enjoy. It takes precedence. So thank you. How did that come about, Sean? Excuse the interruption. So the speaker has asked me for informal sessions, which are usually every Monday and Thursday to help run the sessions, which is a great honor for me and a privilege. And that sounds like a real distinction. That's great. Well, I've enjoyed it very much and to be able to help try, you know, this is the early part of the session, but to try to help pieces of legislation flow through the process and get through and engrossed and acted and then laid up, you know, done in the other chamber the same way and laid upon the governor is a great privilege and to be able to have a role of being able to advocate for those bills. That's important as well. But to get back. I'm sorry, Sean. I'm going to keep going on for a second. Is that like a testament basically to your seniority at this point in the State House? Is it a reflection of the, you know, relationship you've had with the now new speaker or what? You know, it's tough to say, you know, I don't have an answer for you on that. The speaker asked me to help run session, informal sessions. And so it's a great privilege to have, you know, I think he tends to he wants to rotate the chairs more. One, it's it's important to know how to do it to make sure that business of the people gets done, you know, but but I've enjoyed it very much. I have a close working relationship with the clerk's office and the committee on third reading. And it's a role that I've enjoyed. I don't know if it's a role I'll continue to have, but it's the role I've done for the past two or three weeks now and and I enjoy it very much. And if it helps me have a stronger position to advocate for our mutual priorities and some of my legislation, all the better to have it. But to go back to your original question about 2020, you know, all of us have been touched in some way, mostly negative. Unfortunately, by the pandemic of 2020, sir, and we're not over it, right? So but when the pandemic started last March, it really did impact the schedule of the legislature. We had to figure out how to do business remotely. And then we had to figure out what business needed to get done to address this pandemic and to help the people of the Commonwealth, small business owners and government agencies of the Commonwealth that needed to conduct business and get business done. So it was a difficult time. And there were several months where we really couldn't get things done because it was COVID, COVID, COVID as it should have been. But we still had a lot of priorities that we wanted to get done. So as many of your viewers may know, and I know you know, James, most of the time, session ends the second, you know, it's a two year session. And most of the time, session ends the last day of July, July 31 is when we kind of cram everything in to try to dealing with conference committee reports and bills that are going between the House and the Senate. And then we have kind of a break where members get reelected, you know, the primary in September and the general election in November. And then we get started in January, that first week of January, we get sworn in. But this cycle, because of COVID, we adopted emergency rules, we extended the session into the end of December, right until we get sworn in the new legislature. We didn't postpone an election. Members had to campaign for the primary and the general. As you know, we had a cantankerous general election federally that has recently ended. And we continued to meet in session and just got sworn in literally the day after we passed a number of bills, we swore in a new class, which really has never happened before. And so some of the bills that really kept us busy are kept the conference committee busy. Of course, we all have our own individual priorities. But we also have the House's priorities or the Senate priorities that have to go back and forth if they get through conference committee. So one of those priorities was the police reform bill, which I know we've talked about before, James. It was a long process. You know, we saw some of the atrocities that happened in Minnesota with George Floyd. And we knew that the laws have had to change in Massachusetts to try to pass comprehensive police reform that was fair to all parties, but created some justice, increased training and put some clear definitions and prohibitions on police conduct like choke holds and different things like that also mandating the duty to intervene if a police officer is on duty, that they have a not just the moral obligation but a legal obligation now under this law to intervene. And also an important part of that bill was to set up a really state agency within the governor's department on training to develop a whole network of when a complaint is made, you know, there'd be an investigation done at the local level. But that this agency would deal with those complaints about certifying and decertifying police officers, but also standardize the training that is done across the Commonwealth. And to me, that was just so very important because we have very good, we have very many good police officers. But it's really, really important to make sure that the training is good. But to make sure that the training and the amount of hours of training are equitable. And to make sure that people who have been or will be victims of police misconduct, you know, have their say, right, have their ability to say what happened. And I think that's fair. But also to make sure that the police officer has recourse, right, in collective bargaining, which he or she still does. But to me, it was just so important on the prohibition of choke holds, the banning of it, but also to make sure that there was a state agency in place to look at the certification and decertification of police officers. So to me, this legislation was very, very important. It wasn't always clear that we were going to be able to get this legislation passed. It took a lot of months of deliberation between the Senate and the House to be able to get something passed. And within that legislation too, are very important commissions. You know, many times people look at commissions and say, Oh, they'll they'll never do anything. But the truth is that commissions are only successful if the members of those commissions view it as critical work. And one of the commissions is to look at civil service law. And so that's really important. And also to look at systemic racism. You know, we know systemic racism, racism is pervasive in policing. But we also know it's pervasive in education. It's a pervasive in higher education is pervasive in town government and state government. We know that it is pervasive everywhere. It's not just targeting one specific group of society. But obviously, the power differential is very different in this case. So there is a there is a commission on to study and look at systemic racism across policing, but across our society as well, which I'm particularly proud of and believe that I'm really hopeful that it's going to yield some great finding. Well, maybe sobering findings but important to enact into law. And so I look forward to that. Another piece of legislation very quickly was the economic development bill. And the economic development bill contained millions of dollars of bond authorization for money for Arlington and for across the Commonwealth, which doesn't become real until the governor funds it. So I won't put too much attention on to that. But also money for small businesses during COVID, other folks to help kind of lift the Commonwealth up. So it was really important bill a part of that bill also was what we call the student bill of rights borrower bill of rights for students who are taking out loans to afford to pay for college. And this is important to make sure that there's no predatory type of actions on the loan agencies against students and their families. So to me, that was a really, really important bill. And I was very happy that it was part of the economic development bill. There was also another important provision known as housing choice, which was government the governor's zoning reform bill that had a lot of debate here in Arlington, but it would allow simple changes to municipality zoning laws around, you know, everything from accessory dwellings to if you were going to change your zoning bylaws in municipalities like Arlington before you needed a two thirds majority to pass something now you need under this law, a simple majority. So we had those debates and it was within the economic development bill. And so I was happy that both of those pieces of legislation passed. There was also a very important bill that the House and the Senate passed early on, which was known as the roadmap bill to have Massachusetts chief net zero by 2050, which of course is the equilibrium between the gases emitted from us, and then the amount of the pollutants we take out of the atmosphere. And the bill had a lot of other good things to including one of my provisions, which increases the renewable portfolio standard even more aggressively so we can achieve 40% renewable energy by a certain date. You know, I think it's 2030, but to try to get us on to the road to 100% renewable energy by 2050, we know there's tons of steps in between that. But for whatever reason, that was surprising to me, the governor decided to veto the whole legislation. And I was very disappointed by it, because this legislation had hearings. It had six months of deliberation by the conference committee. This was not something that we just passed at midnight, right? This was something that we were deliberating on. The Senate did a debate in their version early in May, we did ours over the summer. I think you think the Senate did theirs in January, and we did ours over the summer. So and then we had the conference committee for six months. Well, we did other things, but they tried to get a bill that on balance was was right course of action, but really dealt with climate change is the emergency that we both know that it is. And another portion of that bill that did that bill was around dealing with environmental justice communities. So we know that when someone comes to town to put something that may emit many pollutants and greenhouse dangerous gases, they're probably not going to do it in Arlington. They're probably not going to do it in Lexington. They're probably not going to do it in Newton, because those residents, company included, are active, right? They know you know what's happening in our town. And you're not going to if you see something like a like a compressor station, try to get jammed into Arlington, you're going to speak out. And a lot of people in Arlington speak out as well as myself. But there are many communities where that's not the case. Many of those communities are gateway communities, many cities kind of like, I don't want to name you know, but you know, revere and went through up our considered gateway cities. And it seems a lot of those compressors and other type of environmental pollutants get put in those communities. So environmental justice mandates that those individuals will have a stake at the table, they'll be part of the process, something just won't be jammed through, they're going to actually be part. And so to me, all these things are really important. The governor decided to veto it. Let me ask you about that for a second. You know, you were saying that you were surprised by that. And I can hear from what you describe that certainly part of it, part of your surprise might derive from the fact that the governor could see this coming for a long time down the pike. And obviously, as you said, there were months of deliberations. And certainly he in his office would have been aware of what the contents of that was. I'm wondering if that's what's surprising to you that he would have known and why didn't he, you know, register like trying to weigh in before? Or is it that it is odds with other messages that he's been giving around climate change? Because this has been, you know, frankly, for a Republican governor, one of the ones who seems more out front in terms of acknowledging climate change and its deleterious effects, and signing on to at least agreements to do things about it. Right. So James to answer a question, I would say all of the above. So this was not a surprise. We've been working on this for a while. In the last state of the state address, a year ago, the governor proposed this, a roadmap to net, you know, net emissions by 2050. He proposed it. So I was shocked that he decided to veto it. I think he said it went too far. I think some of the corporate interests in Massachusetts did not like this bill. Very particularly because it takes money out of their pocket in some in some cases, or it forces them to make standards. And believe me, I support 100% renewable energy. I don't believe this bill even reached what I believe is necessary to address climate change. But it didn't go far enough in some ways as far as your concern. So correct. So Governor Baker felt it went too far. And even, you know, the other night, at his state of the state, he addressed the bill, but he didn't say he vetoed it. So it was kind of, you know, it was not particularly transparent. But Speaker Mariano, and Senate President Spilka, filed the bill immediately, along with the chairs of the environment of the telecommunications committee, Mike Barrett from Lexington and Tom Golden from Lowell. They filed it immediately. We had a temporary rules and the bill got passed with veto proof majorities in the House and the Senate. And so if the governor decides to veto the bill again, I think we'll quickly override the veto because it was the intent of the legislature. So that's good news. And that's work this session, but it really derived from work last session. So those are just some of the examples. James, we also passed a that did not go over the hump, but we did the House passed a really important foster care legislation around foster care parents bill of rights. And it was around giving rights to foster care parents who really deserve to be treated better by the Commonwealth. And so we couldn't get that bill through conference committee or over the hill, if you will. And so I'm hopeful that that will be one of the bills, many bills that we address this session. Yeah, so let's talk about this session. And first of all, I do want to acknowledge that a lot of what you mentioned just now reflect conversations that you and I have had over the years and your priorities that come through in those conversations, which is, you know, advocating for and working on behalf of vulnerable populations, whether it's mental health, whether it is housing, whether it is poverty or food insecurity, it's something that you've been, you know, I've noticed you have walked that walk as well as talking to talk for these years now. So I know that there's legislation you did not get to mention, I'm sure that it fits into in a lot of ways, those categories as well. And there's probably stuff that you will talk about in terms of what's coming up. But an acknowledgement that yeah, you're you're still at it with the things obviously. So tell us yeah, what, what, you know, in addition to what you just mentioned, what what else do you hope, you know, in terms of the foster care, what else do you hope to, or do you do you see coming down the pike here in the next month, two months and then on from there? Well, my hope is that this will be a very ambitious session to produce really great progressive pieces of legislation that improve the quality of life for people in Massachusetts. Now, the devil's in the details of what it would look like. We have till February 15 to file members of the House members of the Senate have till Friday, I believe it's a Friday, February 15 to file legislation that will be considered by committees and the membership over the next two year period. So after we file, then we have about a week to co sponsor pieces of legislation, you know, some of them will be new files and some of them will be refiles, things that we've had filed in the past that we just couldn't get it over the goal line. I think the legislative process is designed to be cumbersome in many ways to try to make sure there's not unintended consequences, but a bill needs to be passed by the House and the Senate or the Senate and the House and then to the governor and it's a it's not an easy process, but it's an important process. So I am in the middle of putting together my agenda for the coming term, James, I can now mention kind of, you know, I'll file close to, if not more, 60 pieces of legislation. Certainly not every piece of legislation is chief priority of mine. But I can just kind of run through some of the Give us the greatest hits because obviously we can't we can't hear about the 60 and we're not going to ask you to name the 60. Yes. But you know, yeah, we want to I'm sure the audience would be interested to know what are the what are the big ones as far as you know? Absolutely. So we're still involved in the coronavirus pandemic. We're really no end in sight. You know, we see the vaccines being distributed very slowly. But we still believe we'll be in this situation for the next several months and with different variants coming from England and Brazil and LA or California, you know, it's a it's a dangerous time and it's a time for people to remember to continue to follow the regulations of the CDC from wearing masks, even double masking to washing your hands, getting hand sanitizer socially distant. But we know that people continue to live with this pandemic. And we know that state government has to support them. So I am filing a bill establishing at least 14 days of emergency paid sick time for workers of the Commonwealth because no worker should have to choose between their job and taking care of them and their kids and family members who suffer with COVID. We also don't want people to go into work if they have COVID, you know, it's it's just not good public policy. So it's important to establish, you know, we do have paid sick days in Massachusetts, but this pandemic related that we're hoping to get past and, you know, I think we filed the first last session, we had over 90 co sponsors. So to me, this is really important. And to me, it continues the work of dealing with the coronavirus. And as we come, hopefully, to the end of that virus, we have to remain vigilant. But government, especially state government and the federal government, but particularly in this case, state government has to step up and take care of the residents of Massachusetts. And this is one way of doing it. Yeah, and, you know, you know, it's not just the residents of Massachusetts. It's particular residents who, as you and I have discussed before, over the years and also within this pandemic time, how the how COVID has exposed and exacerbated the existing inequities in our society. And so many ways, but including the in the pop within the populations, you were just mentioning those who simply don't have the choices that you have and I have, for instance, for how it is that we are going to be able to operate through this. And, you know, I work from home. I know you do an awful lot of legislation, all of you out of your homes these days. And we're talking about people as you have already referenced who don't have that choice, who have to choose between, you know, having a job, keeping a job, etc. And the health of their family all too often. So yeah, I hope I sincerely hope that you have them top of mind. I know you do. I have confidence in you and our other, you know, our other legislators who represent Arlington for sure. I do hope the State House has its eye out for these folks because it's just wrong to during you know, during any time, but especially during a pandemic, our role as government is to support the most vulnerable populations. And unfortunately, whether it be statewide or federally, many of the safety nets have been cut, and people are getting the support they need, whether it's small businesses, now we are trying to do, you know, more loans, but it's not enough. And so my bill focuses around the personal health and well-being of the individual across Massachusetts, but also their families. And so I'm hoping I've heard great signs from the speaker from the Senate President. So I'm really hoping we can take this bill up in the earlier part of the session, like we just talked about with the energy bill. So another piece of legislation, and I wasn't planning on really talking about this bill, but because it's not COVID related, but it is specific related to the populations you just mentioned, James. So we know about the inequities that are caused by race, by income level, by sex. You know, we know that these are that these are real. And part of government is to step on the lever of justice and to give these individuals some dignity and equality, especially dignity with work. And this session, I have filed this in previous sessions, but I'm really hoping now that we've increased the minimum wage, the one of the highest in the country with one of the best paid family medical leave programs earn sick time. But that doesn't always those can help. And those who are important, but they don't always help the situation of all workers. And so I have filed legislation to specifically deal with workers who are working two or three part time jobs just to make ends meet. So these are the individuals who work in motel hotel chains. These are the individuals that work at big box stores like Walmart. Okay. And these are the individuals that work at McDonald's or Wendy's or, you know, the big chains. Many times these individuals are balancing childcare, just like all of us, and trying to get an increased degree. So they're working hard to, to finish their bachelors or their associates or, you know, going to a community college or a state university or UMass, they're trying to balance all this and still trying to afford childcare, trying to afford rent, and, you know, trying to lift themselves up, which is hard during any time of the year, especially during a pandemic. But many times these workers, you know, that are scheduling two or three part time jobs and all the things I mentioned, James, go to their schedule to work, they go into work and then they're told, Oh, I don't need you. You can go home. Well, they don't get paid for that. And it's incredibly unfair. So we're trying to put some policies in place 10 days where a worker has to be told when they're scheduled. And if they're not, if the employee or employer does not need them, that's fine. But they still should get paid for that work. Now we carve out things like snow days and things that are what we would call active weather beyond the control of anybody else. So we understand that. But this is trying to put dignity in the work and trying to help these individuals through no fault of their own who are trying to work hard. I'm trying to make ends meet. So I believe it's a fair bill. And so I think that's kind of further the work that we mentioned during the emergency. Just just to just make sure that I'm clear on the provisions that you were just outlining. Are you saying that it would be up to 10 days of a situation in which a worker was assuming that he or she would be working that day and arrives and then there's not work. And so then they go home up to 10 of those kinds of instances where they would be paid for that day's work. Right. So the the employer has to provide the schedule 10 days before that. Okay. That's what I was wondering. So you're the 10 days you were referring to is really has to do with the notice that the employee has of what his or her schedule is going to be. And then in addition to that there is the implicit promise that if for whatever reason they don't work on one of the days that that schedule says they're still going to get paid for it. That's the goal. And the goal here is to have some predictive scheduling. Not chaotic scheduling. Well like I said there's a lot of car votes that things that you know the employer can't help with like snow or emergencies or things like that. You were referring before acts of God kind of thing. Sure. Yes. Absolutely. And but this only involves employees doesn't involve employees who work at a small business. This is tackling employees who work for motel hotel chains large big box stores and fast food companies. So we're trying to really target the employee and we're trying to target where we've seen a lot of problems in the practice of scheduling. It also tries to address the issue of cloaking. So these are when employees are forced to work the closing of a shift and the opening so that they're not given enough time to sleep. Recover. Now it doesn't ban the practice of cloaking because some people like to do it. But nobody should be forced to do it. So this is just another piece of legislation. We have. I just want to warn you we have about three to five minutes left. Okay. So quick is never easy for me. And I should have given you earlier. The opportunity. So I will be refiling my hundred percent renewable energy bill which is really, really important. We've talked about that in the past. And then the two other pieces of legislation that are really important to me that I will be filing. One is you know I care very much about public higher education. 29 campuses across Massachusetts which really is the incubator for innovation and the launching pad for successful futures. You know we have 85 percent of the people who leave UMass or a state university or community college stay in Massachusetts. They invest kind of like K through 12. We have underfunded public higher ed drastically. And when times get tough we cut cut cut. So I am working with the MTA and many stakeholders and I'll be filing what's known as the cherish act. And it's about investing $500 million similar to what the Promise Act did for K through 12 but into public higher education and to freeze tuition and fees for a period of time to try to help the appropriation level that we give Massachusetts public universities and colleges. And the last bill I'll talk about just because I think it's really really important is that I talk about it all the time and that is what's called the Inclusive Concurrent Enrollment Bill. And this would allow students with autism and Down syndrome to go to college to go to one of the 29 public higher education institutions. And the reason this is important if you look at every metric for an individual with autism or Down syndrome who's had the opportunity to take college courses and you measure them amongst their peers when it comes to employment, when it comes to independence, the individuals who are allowed to take courses do far better and are far more successful than their peers who aren't allowed. And so to me this is inclusion at its very best and Massachusetts has led the way, has led the way for K through 12 inclusion. To me this is a really critical civil rights piece to allow these individuals who are honestly no different than you or I to be able to go to college and we've had hearings on this before where we've had students come and be able to articulate to us that they see their peers after high school go to college and they're not allowed to and so what my bill would say is that the MCAS would not be a barrier to these students that their teams in high school would decide if they can go but the barrier would not be there and they would be allowed to go and to experience the same thing that we're able to and we go to college. So well let me just say on that that I think one of the great benefits for myself in terms of being able to talk to you over a period of years with these regular conversations and updates and for anybody who has been tuning in over that time. I think one of the great benefits is that we I have heard you speak about this with the same kind of passion and devotion for some time and what that illustrates to me is what you said earlier. Legislation takes a long time it's a it is a cumbersome process as you described but I think it's great for me and hopefully for our audience to hear that you have you there are things that you are just going to stick with you know and and that you are going to eventually see those over the finish line one one assumes but it has been going on for a while you've been trying and it hasn't gotten there yet but this is a this is the latest reminder that these things are not just stuff that because it's hard you're going to let go and I think that that's good for us to know. It's it's it's kind of the painful reality of legislation so there have been many times where I got a bill passed by the House and not by the Senate and one another session passed by the Senate and not by the House and so you need to get a bill engrossed in the House engrossed in the Senate enacted in the House enacted in the Senate and laid before the governor's desk and there are times where you know I'll give you for instance so I got a bill passed in the House this year that would allow for adoptees to get their original birth certificates to me that's very important it's about their identities individuals the House did it and we couldn't get it passed in the Senate but that's that's what happens and so that's why we need to continue to file bills to try to get them passed in both branches of the legislature and then signed by his Excellency the governor so it's not an easy process but if you're passionate you'll stick with it and if you're not you know that's why we have elections and that's why new people get elected right because you want a legislature that's representative of the people and that will work as hard as they can and not kind of just do the job to get a pay check and that's why elections are so important so yeah you know and you just again it's you just got to be able to deal with the setbacks that you just described with this particular legislation and it you know that is that is just the nature of the beast there with with the work that you guys do so good for you let me ask you I'm gonna go a couple minutes extra time here because I just wanted to ask you for your thoughts stepping back and looking wider what are your thoughts about you know the happenings of January 2021 what's going on you know the first weeks of the Biden administration how hopeful or not are you for what's to come what are your concerns etc if you can you know compress all that to a couple minutes love to to hear your thoughts well I'll talk about one important issue that's on the minds of everybody who's watching and even everyone who's not and that's the vaccine rollout we can't move on until people get vaccinated we need to get the vaccines into people's arms that's the most important thing and Massachusetts has been very slow and it's one of the more unsuccessful stories in the whole nation and there'll be a lot of there's a lot of finger pointing there's a lot of blaming but right now my focus is around setting up these sites like and Gillette and Fenway Park that allow people to get vaccinated and most importantly you know we have been filing legislation and the governor announced being pressured by the legislature that he is setting up a phone call hotline that will be staffed appropriately to set vaccination appointments up and that's really really important I James I can tell you I have many many calls and emails from individuals that live in Arlington that are over the age of 75 that they couldn't make an appointment they couldn't get through they couldn't wake up at 5 a.m to be you know it's like people are buying tickets to you know Bruce Springsteen or you know Billy Joel American pick a more modern artist but that's not the way it should have been when it comes to people's health and so I think the phone line will setting up will help with you know getting people vaccinated but it was a really slow process and it was not done well and I am furious that you know we were told oh you know go online and you can set up you know register online and you had a 75 year old in Arlington who went online and couldn't do it because it was so saturated or all the appointments were booked and you know that's not fair when people are living with the fear of COVID already we have to be honest we have to level with the people and say hey you know what it may take a few days to get registered but to say you know you can do it all online this day it was unfair and it didn't happen so I I'm encouraged by the by the hotline and you know my main goal is making sure people get vaccinated but there's a lot of scared people out there you know people who call me saying you know is it is a time you know the the administration worked really hard to set up a tiered structure of when you would get the vaccine and they were trying to focus on the most vulnerable populations mostly those who live in congregant care settings and that was well done but I think what happened was it was so specific that a lot of people were confused you know you know they may have two two or more comorbidities they feel like they fall under the the most vulnerable category but because it was so specific there were so many questions that had to be answered and the rollout of communication was not good just like the rollout of the recent vaccine distribution you know centers online was not good so we need to be do better with communication we need to do better and my hope is with the hotline set up if it's adequately staffed we will start seeing more people being able to get vaccinated you know I have a mother who who's you know older than 70 and she's had two bouts with lung cancer and these are the stories that we hear across the commonwealth and so we need to get vaccinated we need to get people helping yeah so that's what we need to do in that you echo a kind of you know almost a fury as you were saying that I've noticed among our local officials which is unusual around the communication specifically from the governor's office so hopefully hotline is a you know excellent first well I don't know if it's a first step but it will be an effective step hopefully to dealing with that I wouldn't be surprised Sean if in the time that you and I've been talking you've had another half dozen or 10 phone calls or emails on this matter absolutely absolutely and so all right Sean thank you very much for your time I'm sure that we have left a lot on the table to talk about but we'll just have to pick that up with our our next update in you know in a couple of months we wish you very best of luck in pushing forward the legislation that you've described and the other things you have on the table and we hope that you will stay safe and that we will all you know be seeing each other in person sometime in the near future I look forward to it thank you and stay safe as well James thanks so much all right thank you I have been speaking with our state rep Sean Garberley for this legislative update as part of talk of the town I'm James Milan Sean we appreciate your joining us and thank you out there for joining us as well we'll see you next time have a great one you too