 means for enlightenment because like the depths of causation is that mind is causative and and so even though music can have such a profound seemingly such a profound effect on us it stirs up emotion it stirs up memory it can inspire healing would you how would you describe what is actually happening is it the music that's causative or is it the mind somehow drawing forth something that's helpful for the healing I've always felt intuitively that that music as with everything in perception is is communication and when it comes out to music I think within the realm of perception and consciousness where there seems to be levels I would say it's like a higher form of communication so a lot of times so much is conveyed just even in instrumental music where there are no lyrics and the heart opens and there's just this huge swell of emotion and it's it's not really in what we would call music in terms of earth because there's there's notes and there's melody there's different instruments there's different volumes and I always was loving that when they asked Mozart what was the most important thing and the best thing he said it was the silence between the notes but that takes a mind that that is so much of a genius at something so much of a genius at the craft that that it is able to be aware of that being the delicious part for Mozart the silence between the notes so that kind of points to this divine silence this revelation where all things are known all things are recognized identity is recognized and so in that sense it's music as we talk about it is just an aspect of perception but what music really is I think if you get underneath it it has to do with identity so when Helen Schuchman was working with Jesus first came A Course in Miracles and then then came this pamphlet called The Song of Prayer so here we have a title of a pamphlet from Jesus in which the word song is put together with prayer song of prayer and then in that song of prayer it's basically described as the song of heaven in which the Creator and creation the Father and the Son sing together eternally well there could be no definition after that pamphlet was written that would ever come close to the song that the Father and the Son sing in eternity it's describing an eternal relationship an eternal creation it's describing the kingdom of heaven it's describing everything and he's using of all the words Jesus could have picked he called he picked song quite amazing when you think that that song he's putting as synonymous with identity and not just Christ we're not just Father but the song that the Son sings to the Father and the Father sings to the Son an eternal song so that is way way way beyond this world of time and space and stars and planets and the most beautiful melodies we've ever talked about or we've ever experienced you know we we can watch them now on youtube and and be just hushed by how precious they are you know like Celine Dion and Josh Groban singing the prayer under Vitelli and Celine you know those are so many people I know that are just that's one of their favorite favorite songs and then that's the foothills towards the experience of remembering who you are and remembering God