 Can you say who you are and what your question is? Sorry, my name's Ray Brady. One of the... I've just discovered this, it's when you're saying about the face-resic recognition. Have you heard of pro-saggenosia? Oh, pro-saggenosia? Yeah. Sorry, that was the other lady. You know how you were talking about violence reduction. A, crime prevention, and B, I've thought this for years about mental health. How can they give drugs to people for mental health problems if the mind's not part of the body? Can we change it to neurological malfunction? I've got 40 million of them, but I don't think I'm mentally ill. But it's the effect I have on other people because... Okay, thanks very much. William Nelson here. Both of you talked about surveillance and accessing data in certain ways. So, in your opinion, do you think that accessing just public data is enough for the police force to do their jobs? Or do they require the extended powers and access to more private data that UK lawmakers appear to be pushing for? I've got a question down here. Hi there, my name's Julian Thompson. I wanted to ask Karen a question. She was talking about risk prevention and identifying risk and preventing violence. What I wanted to ask was, aren't we at risk ourselves of labelling groups of people as potentially violent when those acts haven't been carried out yet? Okay, do you want to have a go at those big questions? Shall I take Prozepagnozia first? Well, it's really interesting that you mentioned that because Jean and I were having a discussion before our session tonight. We were having a coffee and we were talking about Prozepagnozia. It's called face blindness, so the inability to recognise people that you know, and sometimes it can be so severe that you don't recognise yourself in the mirror. What we think at the moment is face processing is on a continuum, so we have people with Prozepagnozia at the bottom who are very poor, and at the moment Jean mentioned our work with super recognisers. There are Greeks of people in the population, we think, who are exceptionally huge recognising faces. So it is very much a continuum. To answer your question. I would think probably the majority of people that I deal with have some level of mental health problems, you know, post-matic stress disorder and a whole range of issues. It's probably too big. I mean, we maybe should chat later on, you know, because it's probably take up far too much time to start to talk about some of the things that we do in the overprescribing and a whole range of other things, and people on medication for decades and decades and decades. But it's probably one of the most biggest challenges, and trying to refer people on to mental health services is absolutely next to impossible because they're so overwhelmed and so stretched right the way across the UK and indeed across Canada and the States. So it's a pretty big problem we're dealing with. The private and public data, right? I used to be, before I did the violent reduction, I used to be a head of intelligence analysis. I've got a really strange view on it. I think you give your privacy away at your peril. I think it's sometimes like boiling a frog, isn't it? You change legislation and it's, by one degree, a time, and then suddenly you realise you've got no privacy left. I think everybody should become involved in some of the discussions. If there's public consultations go out about changes in legislation, about data, I absolutely think that people should put in their opinions, et cetera, because so often lots of stuff goes through Parliament unchallenged. And I think I value my privacy. I think it's probably one of the greatest things that we have in the UK and in Scotland that we still have a level of protection of privacy and we give it away at our peril. However, there are other sides I've dealt with some serious and organised criminals and people who are real danger to people and who deserve to be in jail because whilst I do a lot of prevention I am no liberal. There are people that I deal with that have been so dangerous they need to go to jail and some of them for a very long time. And then there are cases that you can get some very private data but it just needs to be really defined. It can be for everybody. Some of the surveillance data that I've been dealing with in the hospitals has informed us about prevention but it's not personal. I never get people's names but I get increasing levels of data about where it happened. Pubs, for example, people tell me they've been assaulted in a pub and it never appears on police data systems. And then we can go back and challenge licensing and it's a preventative measure. And then just finally and briefly the question about labelling people who are potentially at risk of violence in the future. I think this is about understanding our research. I'm not saying they're going to be at risk of violence. What I'm saying is if you brought up in a chaotic household you're a victim of neglect, you've got domestic abuse, there's parental mental illness, there's a whole range of chaos. You are at risk and at risk of something. The outcome might not be violence. It could be suicide. It could be mental health problems. Because the challenge is that if you know something and then don't do anything about it, then I think that's neglect of service. If you knew I was at risk of breast cancer and then did nothing about it in terms of screening, then that would be neglect as well. So I think it's understanding the research, understanding the evidence and then acting appropriately to make life better. Sorry. I'm going to cut you off there. I can see there are more questions that people would like to ask, but I'm afraid we're out of time. My suggestion is that you try and collar one of the speakers over the drinks that we've got coming up shortly. I'd just like to ask Susan Stewart, who's the director of the Odeon Scotland 2.0. I think the fact that we are over time shows how interesting the contributions have been, Karen and Hailey Wern, and thank you to all of you again for joining us tonight. This is just one of many topics that the Open University engages with. We are committed to bringing excellent quality, higher education to those who wouldn't otherwise benefit from our university education, and we're also equally committed to engaging with some of the challenges which Scotland and the wider UK society face. 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