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We got a very special guest in here today, man. He don't need no introduction, man. Well, maybe he do. You know what I'm saying? This guy, he been out of sight for a minute. And out of sight sometimes out of mind. I heard a few things come through, you know, when he was gone, like, man, is he back out? You know what I'm saying, man? Twisted Black is in the building, man. Thank you for having me. Man, it's good to see you, man. Good that you're home. Yeah, man, it's a blessing. Man, I mean, you know, being one of those guys that, you know, you go in and you come out. And I know when you came home, the adrenaline rush, what's gon' be happening? How's it gon' be? Being around a lot of people, being able to be by yourself. Oh my God. Being able to be by yourself, take on a whole new meaning when you've been locked up. When people don't realize that you know what you're talking about. Then you be by yourself so much, sometimes you prefer to be by yourself. Unless I'm with my wife. That's cool. Something, you know, other than the man. Yeah, yeah. Being around. That's right. That's so right. Well, I know how Mr. Maker do it, man. Let's get down to it, man. It's time to roll. I like to get to know you as a person growing up because a lot of times the situations we end up being in as an adult stems from our nourishing as a childhood. True. So I wanna know, you're born and raised in Fort Worth? I was born in Detroit, Michigan. Oh yeah, yes you were. Detroit, Michigan. What part? West side. West side? Finklin Manor. How old were you when you left? Three years old. So you don't remember nothing about it? Well, my father stayed in Detroit so I would go home every summer to stay with him and the rest of my family. Okay. So yeah, kinda hybrid, you know. So really, all I remember was Texas besides the summer with my father. Right. So your mom and dad wasn't together? No. When did they break up? It happened before I, they broke up before I woke up, so. Okay, did that ever affect you, like moving back and forth, not having your father in the same household or your mother in the same household with your father? Truthfully, yeah it did, but I didn't know it at the time, right? As you get older, you start to realize, like, damn, what's wrong? You started to see a pattern from way back, so I believed that when, actually when my father died, because he died when I was 11. Oh wow. That's when I kinda turned left. I didn't know it at the time, but I looked back. So yeah, I think not having a father-in-house is always gonna end the child. Yeah, and that's what I always feel, but the blessing that you had is the fact that you actually had him there. You were able to go back and forth because you have a lot of boys who fathers weren't in their lives at all. They didn't even know who their father was. You know, so at least you had that structure somewhat. As much as it wasn't in the same household, you have that. So a lot of times we have to count the blessings that we do have and not really always look at the negative. But tell me about your mom growing up, though. Um, she was, I mean, which aspect, but she is so many, because she was just really a nurturing, protective woman, you know, just gave me a lot of love, you know, and she wanted me to be the best me, you know. So like I wasn't really athletic and, you know, didn't have a lot of talent, but, you know, you never know by your mother, so. How many siblings? Just you, by yourself. Boy, single, you know, he basically just the only kid. Got everything. Yeah. Spoil. Spoil brat. That was really my father, because my father was a street guy. Okay. You know what I'm saying? He was really notorious on the west side of Detroit, so my mother actually brought me to Texas to give me away from, you know, on the cool. So she brought me down here because, not that Texas was soft, they just were a little more slow than the Midwest. Right. She brought me here and, you know, just trying to open it, I wouldn't end up like him. And I ended up like him. Just like him. Because you can't really run away from it. You know, what's in you, you know, especially when you make a detour. Wow. So really, it just depends in life. You know, once you become a parent, and I always ask all everybody who sit there, you know, all these questions because so many parents out here are struggling with their kids, don't know what to do to try to get them to not turn left, to turn right. You know, some parents move. Some parents try to give them everything they have. Money. They think money can buy everything, but I've met people who sit in that seat who say that my parents had everything, but I still ended up on the streets selling dope, doing this, doing that. I didn't have to, but the streets was calling. You know, so it's like, what can you do as a parent to keep these kids? And in my mind, I'm like, let's keep talking to your children. It's not always about money. It's not always about you running from certain situation. It's really educating the kids. And sometimes if you have a son, a mom can't always educate that child. You need a man to do that. You know, that's my perspective on it. What do you think? Well, I agree with you. What you said, you know, what you said holds weight, but sometimes a man is not the answer because let's just say sometimes a male is not the answer. You know, because a lot of times younger women, not all women, you know, will allow a male into that, child's life or whatever, thinking that that's the answer. But then if he off, if he off that, then, you know, then it's going to kind of just, the kid is going to mimic that to me. So, you know, I don't know the answer to that really. You know, it's just, you just try to do the best you can. Do the best you can. So, you know, I come from a home where mom and dad broke up. See, you don't know nothing about that anyway. Now my parents been together forever. They were together for 48 years, but mine, they left at nine. She bailed on him, you know? And the nigger was drunk all the time. So I knew already I wasn't going to be able to go with mama. I stayed with dad. It ain't going to lie, because I wanted to be like my daddy. You know what I'm saying? Of course. Drunk all the time. Well, if he was drunk, I drank a course every nine days. Wasn't nothing wrong with it back then. You know, you nine, 10, it ain't going to go right through. You're going to pee a lot, you know what I'm saying? So, I basically, yeah, I went with dad, worked with dad, and he had his own business. So I learned something. Even though I got in the streets early on, I still learned a lot from my father. You know what I'm saying? And my uncles and stuff. I didn't want to be around a woman like that. I mean, I did go with my mom, but when I did go with, I wanted to be with my papa. I was trying to make some money early when I was young. So, you know, you're always trying to figure out what is it going to take? I would ask God things like, man, what am I doing here early from four? I don't remember five years old thinking like that. What is this? The world. You know what I'm saying? It's a thing that I done. I don't know if every kid done that. You know what I'm saying? I used to really be intrigued by just being a human on this earth, bro. Right, right. I mean, it was tripped out to me. I don't know what the hell. You were just strange. I guess, but at the end of the day, I never did, I found it when I found out who God was really, you know, cause I really was just questioning a lot of things, you know, really just want to be, you know, great. And get what's wrong with that. But the fact that you was even asking God at an early age, you know, that's a testament to where you was headed anyway. I was trying to figure it out, but it took me a long time to get that on. Twisted black, I ain't gonna lie. It wasn't easy to get to who I wanted to be. What are you telling me? But it's a wisdom comes with age. So you have to go through things to get that wisdom. Indeed, you know, and that's true to a certain extent, you know, but I used to believe that wholeheartedly until prison, when I started being around a lot of old fools, you know. You run into old fools and you realize that the wisdom don't just come with the age. Not all of it. I believe, and this is, don't make it right, I believe that the wisdom comes with you embracing your experiences. Right? And then you learn it from those experiences or other people's experiences because, you know, some of us, you know, just get old and we'd be old and foolish, you know. When you, okay, when you get shot, okay, how old were you? 19. You were 19. And how long had you been on the streets at that time? Or in the streets? Since I say, you know, I kind of got off the porch early because here's the tricky part. Like when you talk about my father, so yes, it was good to have my father there. But he was a street guy and my father had me when he was 55. He did 19 years in prison. And so he had no other children. So he... Poured everything into you? He did. But he didn't know much, you know. This was, he just wasn't, you know, he just knew how to, he was a professional boxer. So again, he was a hustler. Yeah. And he was a kind man. He had Dice Gangs here after I was spiced all the big... He cuttin' on six and eight. With the crooks. Cuttin' on six and eight. He had them cards, he had them damn cards. I remember when I was little, he had the belt. You know, the belt with the magnet and the belt. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, he had the crooks in the gang. So, you know, this stuff like that. So he kind of, you know, I watched him. He didn't necessarily try to do it, but I'm watching. But he took you everywhere with him? Everywhere. That's what it is. He told me how to read a room if somebody was lying. You know, he was, you know, pulling me in and see if I could do good or not. You know, it wasn't, I'm not proud of it. I always. Man, in between zero and 11. Yeah, because he died at 11. Me too. With my dad, I can remember being in there beggin' him to leave the Dice game. I'm in there with him. Three, four, five years of me, I'm always talking about that. Same thing. Because you witnessed him getting shot. We got a little bit in common. Yeah, my dad got shot in the head in the gamblin' shack. In the gamblin' shack. Oh, wow. Yeah, and he kept the bullet in the pocket. He lived. No, he lived. Man, man, he used to keep the bullet in his pocket. Yeah. Yeah. I get it, you know. But that was a different time. I had uncles that got shot in the club. That's the country life. Or shot somebody in the club. I got an uncle that shot people in the club and he ended up at the same hospital with him. And I'm being real crazy stuff. Or I'm kidding people that, I know one set of, they both, one of them, they both dead now, but brothers, they killed another brother in a shootout. Just different stuff in the country, it happened. Killed their own brother? Yeah. Yeah. Can't enable. Yeah, that's it, that's the first example, right? So it just, things be moving quick, man. People get into arguments, that's the way it is. But I had a quick, hold on, hold on, before you go on. So when your father passed away, how did he die? He died of emphysema. Oh, okay, okay. Emphysema. You smoke all the time? Well, he worked in the steel mill. Okay. And then the dust particles got in his lung. No, I don't ever remember smoking. Wow, so were you there when he passed? Yeah, I was. Wish you could go back and do it differently. But I just, I went to the hospital like once because I was up there, you know? And the chemo had him kind of, you know, not record. He used to treat me like a piece of glass, you know? So when he saw me, he was talking crazy. So I didn't really want to go back. He didn't understand because you were a child at that time. Yeah, I just thought, you know, because he had cursed at me. I'm like, that ain't cursed at me. It's something, yeah, I'll catch you later. Didn't eat that, you know, maybe three weeks later, but so, you know. And everything went left for you after that? Well, it did, but I didn't realize it was going left. And I look back now, really all this, I reflected, you would understand, I reflected on all of this when I was in prison because, hell, I didn't know I was unstable mentally until I got to prison. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Why every time I have good intentions, or if you and I are having a conversation, why is my process indifferent from your process? And you know what you, if you're considered normal, right? So why am I so quick to run into a nigger, you know? And you'll be like, oh, what is that? Because I ain't on no tough guy, you know, but it was just, you know, I was. Anger built up. It wasn't even, it was just the way I processed. Really? No, I never been an angry kid or an angry adult. I can have a cold fight right now and be calm. Yeah, of course. So I don't want to fight again, you know, I'm old enough. But it was just my process. And you know, my dad taught me to shoot guns and just, he taught me wrong. Let me just to be honest, you know what I mean? So I wrote the judge a letter and told him, hey man, look, the Bible say train up a child and the way it should go. And he did that. But everything he knew was wrong, man. So I accept my responsibility. I just want you to take that into consideration. Wow. But the crazy thing is that some of the stuff that your father had taught you, like scan the room, do this, do that. To me, some of that stuff is just, it also can be used for good. It just depends on how you turn it. Cause anywhere you go, you need to be aware of your surroundings. We all teach our kids that. Read people, because you have so many fake people out here who try to be your friend and come with ill intentions. And some people are so naive where they trust everybody. But because of certain things that was embedded in you, you might can see quicker than anybody else could. So a lot of certain things that he taught you, you can also use it for good. Absolutely. I'm gonna go back, like I said, to the place where you get shot. Cause I wanna know about that. That's what's something that I really, I'm like, how did he end up getting shot? You know what I'm saying? I know something was going on. Yeah, I played hard in the street, just like a lot of us do, selling drugs and I did my fair share of wrong. And to be honest, so I'm not gonna try to make this super gangster or like I know because I still don't. Know why? I don't know why, I don't know who. Okay. I can guess why and I can guess who, I've guessed why and who a million times. And that got me nowhere. I can just say whoever it was, they were square business, they weren't playing because they shot me from the back with a 12 game. And then stood over me to shoot me again. Where did this happen? Don Carter's bowling alley in Fort Worth. So was it a place that was full that night or was it? So a lot of people was around. And who were you, were you there with friends or you were there by yourself? I was there with one of my good friends that's passed away right now. Okay. So we were there drinking, you know, celebrating, well, you know, not celebrating, but you know, just having a good time cause he was having to turn himself in. Okay. So he called a girl and some other chick that had been trying to get at me for the longest or whatever. And so really long story short, to sum it up, I got tricked into the conversation with the chick. And so while I was out when I went to the park and like kind of from what I can remember cause it's cloudy, you know, you see those movies and people really don't remember. It's a real thing. That's a real thing. And where's your camera? All three of these. And the people that shot me know I don't remember them. They know that. And they're happy about it. I mean, you know, either. But they know, I don't know. But yeah, I get what you're coming for. So it's from the back, she was talking to you right here. I was kind of kneeled down in the car, you know, talking to her, you know how you get out and put your arms up. And I remember somebody calling my name like, hey, so on, so on, so on. So when I turned, walked a couple of steps toward him and he asked me if I knew, if I can remember correctly, I asked him if I knew somebody named Kevin or something like that or Kel or something like that. And I was like, nah, but this particular night I wasn't strapped. We were playing a game. This is how I got work. Playing a game, me and my cousin, Shannon, my best friend, Catty, and my other partner that I was with, Wayne. I'm playing a game, so I ain't have my strap. And when I turned back around to walk back toward the car, you know how you could pull up a 12 gauge and you can hear the barrel. It's like I heard the barrel. I didn't hear the cock-cock, I just heard the barrel right on. When I turned back, he was already there. And my instincts made me go on my toes, you know? And so he had it to the back of my head and when I went up, it went in right here. Okay. And it came out like that. So that's how it ends up just. Yeah, it went in here, but I went on my toes. I'm not gonna say lucky, that was God. That ain't no, that was God. Definitely God. But after that though, sometimes I'm trying to figure out what your state of mind was after that because some people be like, man, I'm gonna change my life because I know God trying to tell me something, blah, blah. But the other set of people be like, man, I'm on a different temperature now because I'm from the distance. So what was your temperature after something like that? You know, like I said before, I said some people get shot and you know, you had to come to Jesus' movement. It was time for me to straighten up and I was the exact opposite. I wanted who did it. I wanted him back. How long did it take you to heal? I wanna go back to that because we kind of skipped up. Okay. Like when you, how long did, I know you're out of it. When this happened, are you stable enough to see what's going on after that? Well, I thought somebody had beef for me. I thought, you know, we call it in Texas. He had it. No, Stomus, but I said he had to hit me with a bat. Yeah. That's what it felt like? Yeah. In my mind at the time, you know. So you didn't realize that part of his face was gone? Only time when I realized it is when I say my best friend ran over and he said, this don't die. I say, somebody beef on me. And so I remember putting my arm up trying to get up. He said, no, lay down. Somebody shot you in the back of the head. And then when I turned my head this way, now I can see the blood pooling up. And I just said a prayer. I said, God, have you ever been with me? Be with me now? Now, I'm not hurting. You know, a lot of people are like, hey, it hurt real bad. It was more of a thrive. You know, how you get a headache some time or a toothache and you can just feel that boom. It was more of that. And just like a deep hurt, like, but not like excruciating. You know, I don't know. I've never been shot with little bullets. This was a 12 gauge slug. So when I look to the side, I can see the, that pool up and that's when I kind of, you know, got a look. I didn't really get nervous. I just didn't want to die. And I think that helps that you didn't. But I was drunk. So that, that helps. That really helps. So that helps when you get shot? That helps. Because you don't get me for going in the shot. Ah. Yeah. And some white guy ran out and held my legs up. One of my other friends named Lucky, he was there, you know, so, you know, just, yeah. So how long did it take you? When you went to the hospital, you stayed at the hospital. How long healed the process? You know, I don't want to give you false information, but I think I may have been in the hospital, maybe a month or so. But it took, I was paralyzed, right? I was paralyzed on my left side. Okay. And so your right controls. I was about to say on your left side, but you got shot on your right side. Your right controls your left. Oh. It's crazy, right? See, because even now, this shot, I'm really insecure about the shoulder, you know, because it'll lean down. Because as you get out, the bullet was so impactful that it shifted my spine just a little bit about a fingernail. But as I grew, especially with the prison, it started lifting weights and growing, because I was only 19, it shifts, you know? Wow. So that's what makes this kind of go down. So I tend to bring it up, you know, just unconscious. Unconscious, yeah. How long did you take for your case, so it was paralyzed on that side? How long did you take to get the feeling? About six months. About six months, yeah, like I. So you couldn't move it at all or anything like that? No, I couldn't move it for probably, I'd say about a month, but then what it was is the motor skills were affected because they had to take an artery out of my thigh, put it in my neck. Oh, okay. Out of my ankle to, you know, they Frankenstein me, pulling me back together, you know what I mean? How many surgeries? Like two. The first surgery when I came, I'm a play sister, the doctors didn't even notice that I was paralyzed. It took her, it took Pete to see that. You couldn't move. Because she was doing like a hand, she was always grown. Even when it was. And she wasn't even a nurse or nothing. She was just like, hey, feel my hand. See if you can do, you know, she gave me all the proper, yeah. So, and then she realized I couldn't do anything on the left side. They rushed me back in for another like 11 hour surgery or something like that. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, they put me back together. They put you back together. Yeah, Frankenstein me. That's hard, man. I was, that's one of the things I wanted to ask you about. I was like, man, I gotta ask him about that cause that's something that, you know what I mean? That's something that your fans, you got a lot of fans, bro. Man, it's a pleasure. You know, you was gone for a long time and people still love Twisted Black. And it's crazy. And I just talked about you on the show probably four months ago. I was, it was a thing with me and Kenny B. And Kenny B was, he was shouting out the yellow B's and they dope. Don't get me wrong, the track boy, Fred is in how he's seen them. And the people in my comments went crazy. You know, they like, he ain't learned. He got, he talking about them, man. What about Twisted Back and go, yeah, yo, you know, niggas gonna talk that time. And you been gone a long time, but for them to come for him like that. And so when he came back, he came back after that, after he had said that. And I said, hey, man, last time you was on the show, people was really getting at you about the Twisted Black and the go, yeah, yo. And the fact that these two guys, and I said, do you remember them? And he gave his explanation. So I thought that was live. So it's just stuff like that. What was the explanation? Believe me, when this clip come out, you will know, cause it will be him. He will be saying, you know how I wrote up. But he just can't remember it right now. It ain't a bad thing. No, no, no. No, he's your love. He's your love, man. He knew already, but I think he alluded to even working with you or something. Yeah, it was something like that. So, believe me, it's gonna come through. You're gonna be like, damn, that's what balls talk, get out. I got another question about, because- So you gonna go back to the shot. Yeah, cause when I think about women, us women, right? And we go through something like that. And then to come out and look in the mirror and realize that you now have this big scar right here. You know, us women are like, oh my God, we don't want nobody to see this, we want to this, that, whatever. As a man- How did it affect you? How did it affect you? Did it, was it the same for you as how we deal with it or what? At the time, okay, I mean- 19 year old you? Yeah, right, not only 19 year old. I mean, 19 year, by that time I was on the Cubs of Bricks and you know, I had about 40, 50,000. I thought I was- Yeah, I thought you was going down the aisle. Me too, I remember. Fresh everything. So I thought I was on time. No, I was super smooth, no bumps, no blemishes, no cut, I could fight a little bit too, you know. You couldn't tell me nothing. So yeah, now I'm going to ask you a question. My mother, this goes back to my mother. Okay. See, she knew. So I remember one day in the mirror, I'm going to ask her in detail, but I had this, they did, they had to stitch the patch on there. And I caught her looking at me one day, you know, she was changing, it came off and she was changing- So she saw it. Changing the dress, and I'm like, what's wrong, mom? And she said, nothing, you know, I just want to, I just don't want that to affect you, you know. Right. And I'm like, oh, no, you know, I wasn't worried about it, but it did. Not at the time though. You know, because it cost 120,000 just to look like this. So they wanted to do a cosmetic surgery. I'm like, what's that for? So we can fix it and, you know, and I, and I elected not to do it. In hindsight, I would have done it now because that can either make you or break you because you can't hide your face when you walk in the room. You know, little kids- The stairs. They're going to stare. So what I would do, because of the way I was built, is if I see you staring, and remember what my dad taught me, I can see you. I may be looking directly at you. I'm not saying I'm no more special than anybody else, but I was taught as a kid. And if I can't you stand, I just turn and look, right? Then they look away. Yeah. They look away. Well, then, you know, I'm going to treat you with this thing. But if you ask the question, like, well, I got shot, because it was cool, but you got the man up and asking right now. So it was hard because it's insecurity and then I was young so I had to fight against the insecurity. I don't really have it anymore, but to a degree. How long did it take to get over it though? You don't get over it. No, you don't ever get over it. You never get over it. It just becomes a part of you. You know, my record label scarf for life, breakfast, my group was one good side. You know, you start to use it. So to use it. And that's who you are. Like if somebody's going to say, hey, you know, you know, Twisted Black? Nah, who is this? The one with the scarf in the face. Can't get away from that. Right. And if I had a big nose, but you know, the one with the real big nose. So you just embrace it, man. Because, but it can break you too. It empowers a lot of other people too. By the way, I just had to say that because there's a lot of other people out here who, whether they're burned victims, who have to walk around a certain way. Life has. And for you to move on and move on, although with confidence, when they see you, you don't look like you don't have confidence. So they're looking at that and be like, man, if he can do that and become this person, I sure can do it too. So you have to use it to motivate others. That's all I look at it. If it does, then that's great. I didn't look at it like that, you know? But, you know, at this stage of the game, anything to help propel somebody else, man. Exactly. You know what I mean? I want to ask you about, during that time, was this before 50 Cent or was it after? Before. Everything. Don't make me. Don't make me. You see what I'm saying? 50 Cent, because I'm looking at this thing and did it affect your speech? Boom. No. You see what I'm saying? Okay, let me ask y'all a question. Do y'all think I have a list? No. No. Oh, thank you. I got it just a question because my wife is the only person that swears I have a list. She only do it to make me mad. It's not that bad because all of a sudden, now, y'all, we've been running together, bro. That's one more thing. Don't get caught up in that. Don't even write my bag. You know how, you know how. Hey, you ain't got a list with me or him. But it's one more thing, bro. You know how you got none doing us. Hold on, you know how you self-conscious. You might have a spot on your shirt, but you got to go out because, you know, you messed it up while you were in the car. But you the only one who see it. But until you go to somebody like, man, you see this mess up and mess it up. They didn't see it till you mentioned it. No, no, no. Damn that, bro. Let me tell you something. Before you said that, right, before you said it was your wife, everything was cool. Yeah, right. It was, it was, it was, it was. But when you said it was your wife, and said it, that woman power thing, man, don't get caught up in that, bro. No, because I was looking straight in your mouth when you were talking, I'm like, you can see it now. We were good, man. We were good. But, hey, man, like. You're not whisked it together like that. We'll be mad with you. We'll be mad. We'll be mad, we'll take over. The auto rapper, let's come together. So, when you see the 50 cent thing happen, what did you think? Well, I've seen it happen so many times. Many times. Like I have a good, not that that was a good idea, but something, you know, it'll be in my head or something that'll happen in my life and somebody else will take it and beat me to the punch. Yeah. So I'm watching him and, you know, of course I was, I'm a fan of music, but I was hating on the fact that he, I'm like, this little bitty guy's bullet-whisting, he ain't got no scar, he ain't got no scars. You comparing the shots. That snake shit ain't really nothing. No, but no, no. In your mind, y'all's a kid, you young. Yeah, but nah, that wasn't that y'all. How was it? Grown up, but, y'all's you young, man. 56 came out of 2000, what? He was in 2000, but then I was just like, damn, you know. So now I'm thinking to myself, what the hell, so much for, cause that was always going to be my thing. Hey dude, got shot in the face, you dig what I'm saying? He came back, you know what I mean? You know, then he kind of beat me to that. He shot, got shot nine times. Nine times. I think it was five. Nine times. They say it was nine. Hey, but Saloon. The movie showed nine. Somebody saying three. You know, everybody got it. But you know. I love his creativity. You can see how he working now. Be me. Man, he is. Oh, you had that idea too. What is your, in prison, all I kept thinking about was. TV shows. See, my in-game was always the silver screen. I always wanted to, you know, at the end, I wanted the right plays. I wanted to do movies and stuff like, which I still will. Yeah. But when he came with BMF, when he came in man, and shout out to 50 for doing it, man. He's done it well. Having his son play him and all of that. I want to do the same thing, you know. Because my son just liked me. Yeah, yeah. So he beat me. Was that his son who played 50 in there? Yeah. I didn't even know that. That's hard, man. Yeah, man, he got reinventing himself real well. That's dope. You beat me to the game shot. You beat me to the movies. You beat me to the bag. Man, come help me. You've been hanging out in Texas. I think you're in Houston a lot now. Man, pull up the foreword. Man. But what I want to tell everybody, because a lot of people, what they do when they see, because nobody thinks, nobody's so unique that they're the only one who think about something, you know. There's a million people think about the same things as who is first to the punch. But some people get discouraged like, man, he beat me to it and then just sit back. Okay, it's not the fact that he beat you to it, but you can come and do the same thing is who does it best. That's right. So I always tell people, don't let that discourage you. Do what, still do what you need to do. You never know where it might end up. What do you think about the internet? You know, you come home and a lot of people, let me tell you something. A lot of people in Fort Worth, particularly. You said, I said, particularly, you have a lot of stuff going on over there. It's like if you got a taco box and you're fishing, they got all the right lures, you know what I'm saying? When they get on the internet, man, from OG Percy, from a Tony real original, Charleston, all of these different things are happening. Kenny B, Goyao did it before he left. He was phenomenal on the internet. What the hell are you about to do? Nothing with the internet. But that's the way right now you have to do it. Because if Black got to do something on the internet, my team, they can do it. I don't listen. Oh, they can do it. You don't have to do it. Yeah, yeah, here's the truth, for real. I don't log on. I don't read the comments unless Drew tell me to. If he say Black, this is something you have to do. You have to read the comments so you can respond to it. Then I'll do it because I'm not saying, I don't know about any other people that are in the entertainment industry. When fans say something, like... It hurts. No, not necessarily the hurtful part. No, I can wipe that off. But I'm sure that it will. You know what I mean? Because we can act tough all we want. Oh, the hell Mr. Maker right now. I just looked early at the barbershop and I said, damn, they on it. I don't do something about it. And for me, I don't really care. You're gonna help them to look real good. No, okay, that's what I wanted. So, you know, but when a fan says, hey man, I've been rocking with you since one good side. I have a tendency to say, hey man, I really appreciate because I do. Exactly. Because I'm just a street nigga, for real. You know, I just like the whole rapper stuff. God gave me a gift to be able to put this music together. But I'm really, I'm not playing. I'm not trying to, I'm really a street. I'm from the mama mug, baby, for real. So when somebody said it like my music, man, that's all I ever did. If I'd never done it for the money, never. It was never about the bag. It was about, I wanted you to see that I was good. All right. What is it a good thing about the internet that you're just saying is the fact that, you know, the internet came where everybody have access to you and you can hear and see what everybody's thinking compared to back in the day that they wait to see you or write a letter to you or whatever. Now everything is so accessible. They feel like they're a part of your life even more. So people use the internet to gain more, you know, fans that way. And even sometimes when you do get the hate, sometimes those are really fans who just trying to get your attention. I understand that too. That's the wrong way to do it. I know. But the internet, let's be real. It's the gift and the curse because all the work I put in back in the day, back in our day, I would have been up, you know, if we had the internet. So now this is my first time dealing with the internet because the internet, that whole internet thing happened when I was locked up. So this would be my first album that we put in our next month. No CDs, none of that sort of stuff, streaming. At Scar for Life underscore entertainment. This would be my first time using the internet. So man, I'm excited about seeing, you know, how fast the views, the revenue, the views, all that. And again, man, the money, man, guys, guys just good. So the money just will come. But I'm just excited to just, you know, I just love music, you know what I mean? Wow. That's the man. Man, Jazzy Mac came on the show and she said that Fort Worth wasn't supporting your son. And this was probably Two years ago when she said that? Almost two years ago. You know, how you come back with it like that? You know what I'm saying? She said that they weren't supporting, she's supporting them, of course, but I remember that interview. Yeah. How did, two years ago when she said that, cause I asked about y'all, I'm one of them dudes, man. Cause you don't realize it, but me and you used to be a people and tell them to gather the nigga. I'm a real OG nigga. I'm not, I got the gold card still. You can't play me in here. I really am one that can go there with you. I seen you in the military get out. I had mine on nigga. I had my stuff on. I'm a real stumped down nigga. Do right. Was at the damn. Yeah, nigga, don't play with me, man. I'm a real one. Okay. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, what I'm telling you is when I tell you these stories, I really knew you. I seen you. I was in there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Me and another nigga they got killed. And Keith McFadden used to be there too. And Frogney, I'm back in the day. Nigga, I'm a real, I'm not nobody to play with when it comes down to these streets. I was there, but I'm in Cognigro because I'm not there to be seen. I'm a real street nigga too. But we ain't trying to be seen when we're out there. We try, not if you're at a rapper. I'm not a rapper. So I'm a nigga that's trying to get away from everything they got light. Oh, he's shining light. I'm gonna move over here. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna go next door. They were KJ, nigga, they could throw the percent on the food. You know, I'm a real one. You know what I'm saying? Listen, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm a real man. Yeah, all that. I'm down. You know what I'm saying? He was there. You can't make that. So, but I'm just saying, you know, when you hear that after all the work you've done and hear that certain things that people didn't do towards your son or the way that they may have seen him because he was your son, you know, people don't get a, you know, you don't get a pass because really it puts more light on you when you're a celebrity son, bro. Like I deal with Charlotte Lowe's son here. I deal with- They talked about Pem C son. Yeah. They talked about Pem C son. I, you know, I can tell you some stuff out there, but I'm just saying I deal with a lot of the sons. You know what I'm saying? Who else son did I deal with? Oh, the soldier slim. I'm one of them one of the father knew your son. Your son probably been sitting in that seat. I'm one of them type dude. And I would have really appreciate it. I'm one of them dudes. I done did. You're gonna watch Boss Talk. You're gonna see that. But at the end of the day, like what was the things that you said to encourage him while you was locked up? Cause you had to have a community blink. My son, that's a good question. I know it is. I'm Boss Talk. That's a good one. And how old was he when you left? He was 13. Oh man, 13. He 30 now. So I said, that's a good question because I just put that in a song called Without Me. Wow. And OK, so they didn't support my son, right? Right. Not even the street niggas. You know, you had a few sprinkles. And I feel like it makes you question because I did everything right. I'm not a rat, not a homosexual, I'm not a coward. So if I did everything right in the streets, you know, it's supposed to be a such thing as a full benefits package. That's right that we get. For the family. That's what you would think. That's an illusion. In some cases, just in your case, you're speaking about your case, right? They didn't give, man, my son's super talented. We're working on his album as we speak. That's hard. Guess what? He can't I can't. So you're going to bring it back on here with you? Are you kidding me? Stop playing. Keep on out of love to thank you. He's going down. Yeah. I got home and he wanted to play me all this music. Mm hmm. And I listened to a few songs and it was I had been hearing it while I was locked up anyway. You know, so. And but he don't know when that when he played the music is killing me because I'm like, OK, these tracks. Who did this recording? You know, and he's like, pop out. You know, I had the money for studio time. My son's a good guy, you know, working, you know, no, no, no felonies, you know. Anyway, yeah, they didn't get behind them. So I'm a little if anything, you could say what you want to about me. Just don't get in my personal space. Yeah, OK, yeah. You do that. Then whatever I do, according to the law, I can do that. Yeah. Then if you're just more man, more man than me on that day, then so be it. But if you come in my personal space, then you're going to get what you're looking for. Yeah. But when you dealing with my child, right, that's a little different. You feel me? So I, you know, I'm a little bitter about that. Yeah, yeah. So. But again, I always say and he he shake his head sometimes when I say this, but everything happens for a reason. It does. And in its own time. Yeah, it does. So, you know, whether to open your eyes to the surroundings, for him to realize certain things, you know what I mean? So God don't make no mistakes. Did your son have any kids? Yeah, he got a son, too. How does he? 10. Let's go. Stop playing. This is the generations are there. Grandpas. Everything that you couldn't do when you had the chance to do it. You can put it into that 10 year old and bring it all the way back. So all this stuff is just ways that God done prepared you. I promise. Come on, man. So this whole thing ain't nothing. Hey, man, listen, man. Ain't nothing stopping nothing. Listen, I'm going to tell you something. I'm trying to get too comfortable. But you're making me get comfortable. That's what everybody's saying. Everybody. Him. Listen, a lot of people because a lot of people that are around me now, my good friends, Jason, Ty, Nolan, Trevor, big, they are seeing it like different, you know, and I am because it's a hell of a feeling when you know out of everybody, God saw you and heard you. You know, I make it come on now. I was in some dark places, but that's heavy right there. I was down there, man. I was down there. Yeah, you know, I ain't crying about it. It is. We know what we signed up for. I was in some dark places because everybody could do their time, but it's the losses you take. What an imprisonment. Well, that's real to lose. You know, everybody fall, right? But if you were here and you fall a little bit harder because you hire higher up. I had the American dream. I came from the mud. And I had nine deals on the table when I went to jail. Yeah. And they knew it. And they, and I don't leave that. And they used to kick her. I went to jail for dope. I never sold. It wasn't mine. I didn't do it. I just didn't tell you know what I'm saying. So, you know, at the end of the day, man, God saw me. So right now I am, I'm scared to get outside his will. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, come on, man. Anything you tell me to do, that's what I'm doing. That's why I'm so I'm trying to take the high road on the negativity, but if you give my personal space, that's different because I can defend myself. You know, you got to go with that. Yeah. You know, but I prefer, man, just to say it. That's hard, man. So when you were in prison, did your son ever come visit you? Yeah. Oh, so you were there because how, how hard is it, especially for a boy, to not just educate him, but help him from behind bars compared to when you, out here, you know, because boy's gonna be boys. Children gonna be children. They're gonna act up every now and again, just like, you know, you did in the past. It may not be to the extent that you did, but some sort of way we all go through a certain thing, certain time in our lives. How well were you able to talk to him and talk to him in a way where he listened? Where he talked him off the lead. Right. It might have been in a situation where you was able to bring him back in. Man, listen, it's just, you know, prior to me going to prison, you know, I have three children. So one son, though. Okay. Prior to me going to prison, we were close, you know what I mean? So, you know, he just listened. You know, he just, but you know, he still went through those, like I say in the song, I say I let my son in the ring with no referee. Wow. I can hear him saying, daddy, they're getting the best of me. Wow. You know, I tell them, hey, be strong, push your shoulders back, fight, show them your pedigree, you know what I'm saying? There's only so much, so I would make songs for him to listen to, because I know he was in music. That's right. That's right. He was catching 15 minutes on the phone. Yeah. That's what cell phones can't do. Already. Already. He didn't do that. Man, did we see somebody on cell phone that night? What'd you show me? Oh my goodness, something on Instagram. This dude went live from prison, right? Then, hold up, hold up, so he blocked, no, he blocked the Chicago, it happened in Chicago PD. So he blocked them, so-called from seeing it. They commented under his live, you blocked her main page, but you really think we can't see all of it? Hey. She was in prison all the time. Shout out to everybody. She was born live, we used to drink this on the weekends. I know I hear, baby, it can't be. It can't go live, you know. I wouldn't ever go live. No, that's crazy. That's only because I knew it would, it probably go bad. Yeah, it can't. I want it too. You wanted to do that. But especially when you see all the people doing it and don't get caught, you're like, okay, I can do it too. There's a setup. I knew I could. I knew that's just something. He different. I had a question about prison. So while you were in prison, because I've heard so many different people's story that every time when they went to prison, whether they lost their mama, brother, uncle, you know, somebody, did you lose anybody while you were in prison that was close to you? Yeah, I lost my mother in prison. In prison. I'm 16. I lost my grandmother. I lost my first cousin, like my brother, Jerome. And then each time I was in this shoe, wow, every time. So that's taking effect on you. That's when they time hard. Right. Because I'm seeing, you know, because he'll tell me they don't really do that. People, they don't, the prisons don't do that. Cause when you watch movies, cause that's where I get a lot of my ideas and thoughts from, you'll see where you can ask permission to go to your mother's funeral or whoever and they'll take you to the funeral. But he was like, nah, a lot of these prisoners don't be doing that. So were you, oh, you have seen it happen. No security prisons or camps. But me, no. No. And you pay for it. You pay for the extra man for our way. So I offered to pay double and everything. And it still wouldn't let you go. So they didn't want to let me go on my release. That's the way it'd be. For real, but I got denials at every turn. You know, Glory and God, I came back nine years and two months. Wow. Yeah, I started with 30, you know, and ended up with a 21 and 10. How hard was it doing that? You had to be at the Law Library? That was my first stop. Yeah. When I got in, that's not overrated. You have to learn what you, you have to learn your case more than your lawyer. You got to know it forward and backward. You got to know, you got to understand the language because just one word can change the language, change the whole meaning. You know, if something pertains to you, if something doesn't pertain to you. And I did that, you know, learned about rits and everything, right? But wouldn't that make you upset? Especially depends on how your lawyer is. Because sometimes people can get these crooked lawyers who just want to go up in status so they just feed you to the wolves. I've heard so many stories like that. So when you actually study and learn that, oh, my lawyer could have said this or he could have done this and this and this, and he didn't, wouldn't that make you just like? That's true. Because in 2012, I was supposed to get back 15 years because I never knew I could get, a lot of people, this is glad you asked that question. A lot of people wanted to know, damn, I'm black. Why you didn't just take the 10 they were offering because they were offering me 10. Then they were offering me seven to write. So why didn't you just take the 10 and be done with it? Because the lawyers told me that the most, I said, well, what's the most I can get? He said 12 to 15. I'm like, shit, crank it up. Let's go to trial. So I went to trial and then when they came back with 30, that was the underlay for the overplay, right? They had now had something called a relevant conduct. They hit me with all the relevant conduct and boosted up even. What is a relevant conduct? They're saying like, say, for instance, the state charged me with six ounces of crack, but I got six ounces of crack for two years. They're gonna charge you for that whole two years. That's the relevant conduct. Yeah, it's just some shit they make up just to give you the time. Just to be honest, you know what I mean? So they hit me with the relevant conduct, it boosted up to 30 and the lawyers didn't know it. They didn't see it coming. So in 2012, I had an honest lawyer named Doug Green out this way and then I had another one named Mike High School. Doug, I was like, hey man, this new thing came down to where you guys just admitted it. You didn't see that coming. Then they let me back here. I forget what it was called. So Doug was like, hey man, I'll do it. I'm sure it's gonna be a blemish on air record or whatever because it was oversight on that part. Like, hey, I'll do it. My mom and my son went to Mike High School. Like, hey man, I'll do it. And when it came time, so I'm in court. So now they're reading the statements from the lawyer, crocodile tears in my eyes now. I'm like, I'm gonna get out of here, you know. Even the, what do you call it, stenographer or what do you say? Person type and she was looking and she was like, oh man, so they had it wrong. They told them you couldn't give it 12 to 15 because this is what they're admitting. Right. Then Mike High School gets on the phone and said, nah, we knew it was sturdy. He lied. Lied, he lied. I can't say why. To keep his record. Let me rephrase that. I'm not gonna say you lied. He was just inaccurate. Yeah. And saying I don't wanna call the man alive. Yeah. Because maybe it was a huge oversight but the other lawyer knew. Yeah, because it was two of them. It was two. Right. Two lawyers. That's a both of them. Once they had, once they had, hey, we had no way even the, so to put it in perspective, even the district attorney said, we didn't know about the relevant conduct. We didn't see that coming either. So, but Mike High School did. What? When you look at it from that perspective, like, you was in there fighting for your life. Yeah. So when you look at that, you were the only one fighting for your life. It was other guys. What was some of the worst-case scenarios than you, you know, because you seen them. Yeah, man. A bunch. It ain't mean to cut you off. No, it's okay. That's what made me start rapping in prison. I never wanted, I used to look at that, I'm not gonna be rapping in here. I'm fighting for my life. I'll be rapping while they hangin' me. But I seen guys that had heard about me and didn't eat though concerts and stuff in there. You know what I mean? I was in Beaumont at the time and other places too, you know? And so those guys that, worse than they had life, they had 60 plus 620. You know what I mean? And they weren't ever gonna get a day. You know, it's a whole different body. Like I said, it hit different when, when you got a release date to say deceased. And so that's what they were saying. So I'm like, you know, let me entertain you guys. Give them something real. You know what I'm sayin'? Make them respect. Because if I was a sucker, something up there rapping, they ain't even comin' to see it. Yeah, yeah. Because they know it's foolishness. Cause they gonna be there for the rest of their lives. Just give them something to... So, first day out, you get out, you do first day out. I like it. I know you got something more heat comin' that's gonna be way, way worse than... Everybody do first day's out. Yeah, yeah. He definitely did it. He did his first day out. I think it was early. I ain't gonna lie. I think it was early. I'm gonna say that. I think it should have been a little bit, you know, you pumping, man. You ready to go? I get it. You know what I'm sayin'? I love your music. So I already know, you know, I'm a fool with it. You know, that was mine. You know what I'm sayin'? So I play it at, I guarantee you, I can go back through my videos on Boston. I've been doing this for two years, man. But I play the hell out of it, you know what I'm sayin'? So I'm lookin' forward. I already know it's gonna be some bangles comin' my way, but I already know that you in a different place, too, now. Because you ain't in the same place you was when you went in there. People be sayin', man, they show changed. No, nigga, you got a time pass, nigga. Man, hey. You know what I'm sayin'? So I'm not lookin' for the same thing, but what really, for me, the highlight for this interview was that 10-year-old, was that son, that whole trifecta, where anything can happen. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? Sky's the limit still. The devil didn't take nothin'. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, yeah. Like I said, when you came home, what was on your mind when you did, when you put that track together? Like, a lot of people, you know, wanted me to, hey, we gon' get here. Here's some earrings, here's a necklace, I don't want nothin', I'm walkin' in that bed for that. You know, with my, with no size, like Mike Tyson, because I'm on my chest on my chest. I get it. You know, so I went in there and I bit the mic on that one, right? But that ain't even close to the album. I already know. Because you have a lot that you wrote. What? For all them years. Man, if y'all think because I'm giving God all the glory, then I'm finna put out a Christian album, so I'm gonna stop that now. There you go. You have a lot. And my wife will say, mm, okay, that's not happenin'. This right here is all off the pavement music. Now, see, now the niggas gotta break out them A-list beats. They was giving me, he didn't know I was rappin' in prison, so they, I don't even know somethin', you know, it's black, you know. Now they gotta break that heat out now. You know, when I'm tellin' you, a Drew got so many, he sendin' me a beat pack every other day from everybody, DJ Toon, my man, man. Yeah, Toon, Toon. Shine on the beats. Shine still, shine workin', what? I talked to this nigga one time. Shine, you remember I called you. You know, I like callin' niggas, I don't boss talk, hold on. And you tell me you was gon' call me back. You gon' come over here and do this interview. You ain't did no interview. You runnin' around here, hidin' in the crevices. I'm tryin' to figure out where the hell you at. I got your number, nigga. I will call, yeah. But I love this, I love this movement. That's good. Shine on the beat, yeah. You got other producers that have retired. Yeah, that came out, it would work, came out. What? Back, like, hey, black, I'm back. Hey, come on, we gon' do, cause they tryin' to make, you got other, hey listen, the whole studio where I record that session works, almost every artist comin' through there is pitchin' in to make sure this project is epic. I know it's epic. Yeah, because you have a lot of love and they know that you gon' go hard on this album. Everybody know it. And it's so weird because, let me ask you a question, did you have, all right. Did you ever think about doing anything with Bumby? Yeah, I got two songs with Bumby, man, and again. Yeah, because when I Google you, the first thing pops up is him with you on a picture, not together, but because when you came out, he commented under and said, you know. Bumby has been super supportive. Don't dude, man. Man, what did you tell him? I talked to him up there. I told you. I love this dude. I love this man, but more than anything, you got a lot of these industry guys that I met, a lot of them that just don't, they're really not familiar with the streets at all. Right. And then you got guys like Bumby, his exact words, I was goin' to Starbucks, give me a coffee, we FaceTime, they say it don't cost nothing to keep it real black. You say anything you do with them back in your play. Wow. Yeah, because you know, a lot of these guys, man, you know, not just because I went up under there and stood up under that pressure to stood on Beniz and came home, not just because of that, but I played, I played hard. And I did everything we supposed to do in these streets, man. So a lot of the guys that really understand the streets, then they like, hey man, a thousand dollar and paying homage, or hey man, I got guys that pull up on me right and I shout out to Zeke, man. Man, I can't go two days without him bringing me a carload of clothes. No, of course. I got to get this sweater, look at my nephew that got me with the pay-overs. Yeah, yeah, go keep your right, go keep your right. I'm talking about. Because fashion changed from the time you left till now. I gotta tell you about the horror fatigue, you know what I'm talking about. Man, I've been cold-headed. Let nigga know what I'm talking about. The biggest suit. But you know that. People not wearing them big baggy clothes no more. That was back in their days. Yeah, man, you know what I got on my straight joint, I don't want the guy in jail to see me because I told him I wouldn't do it, but yeah. I got him on. Man, what that fool with his, give me a little bit of that fool with his just high sound when it's done. Come on. I'mma blow my trees, I'mma ride 20 something, something like that. I'm the micro priest, I'mma fool. Man. I'mma fool with it. Man, it was so hard, man, twist it black. No, I'm just going back because I know how I am, man. I love the music, bro. You don't be able to find that. You know how many people you may feel good with that song, bro? Man, that's a testament to Tump. Tump actually. Man, Tump. He honed me, he honed my skills. Yeah. Man, Tump is dope. Yeah, Tump is, he wanted him real was rough and I'm gonna be real with you, man. The circle is tight, small and tight. We gon' get into some things after we off camera, but like you guys, man, like I said, you got a lot of people looking at you, man. You got a lot of people trying to figure out what you gon' do. I mean, what's the move? Like when is that? I think you put a date on the A-16. Yeah, is that legitimate? Are you gon' push back or? Well, I got a full album of different from prison. I'm talking about bad, it's hard. Okay. If Drew didn't have no kill me, I was just gon' throw it out there, right? Why not? But I'ma tell you why not because now you got your tombs, you got your shine on the beats, you got your stars and young ballas, you got all of these people. It gotta be very strategic of how you move nowadays. Yeah, they giving me heat now. They give me heat. They only give one chance because I'm already defying the eyes. And let me say this, I try to stay away from the negativity, but it's okay not to like my music. That's cool. You dig out, it's okay. It wasn't for you. But if you from the streets, if you really a gangsta or any of that type and you like music, then nine times out of 10, you gon' embrace what I got to say. And so I want to get around and get one chance, man, I'm not trying to come out here and be an old ass. Come on now. I'm trying to correct this career. But I love music and this is my gift. So, you know, I'm trying to really, like you talked about my son, I want to get, you know, get it in, fill up the bag and get my label started. Move on to him. Do some work with him. Of course, get my son in position. Right. And my city, because Fort Worth rolled for me. Man, so all of those horror stories with everybody up there, Fort Worth rolled for me. Yeah, they have a lot of love. Dallas rolled for me. Yeah. I'm talking about supporting me. Tom, Chief, Tug, J-Daw got a huge, they kept my name alive. Mr. Lucci was in here, too. Lucci, man. Yeah, Mr. Lucci. Yeah, because I saw where you said that and I was trying to figure out how hard is it for you to do recording a verse or anything there and then send it out to get it mixed and mastered with somebody else. How hard is that? For anybody else, it would be super hard. But there's this guy named Jeff at Sessionworks. Again, who would answer every call, he would mix every song and have it sounding like glass breaking for nothing. So I know this was just gotta make a provision. So for me to come out here and get on foolishness and this thing, you know, I'm really, I'm snubbing my nose, I'm not gonna do that. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna come out here and make music and I guarantee you, anybody on the track that get a feature or want a feature or whatever, I'm gonna punish them. That's what I do. I wanna ask you about mode three. He passed away when you were locked up. You knew mode three. I talked to him one time through Bay Bay. Through Bay Bay. What did you think about that when you first heard about it? Oh man, I hated it because he was special. So you got God that are good. You got God, you know, just because you get a big record, that doesn't make you special. That means you got a special record, you know, but he was a special artist, you know, just listening to him very, very talented. He just had it. He had the it factor. Right. You know what I mean? And to find out that he passed, you know, I hate to see him go so fast. But how shocked were you at how he passed in broad daylight? 1155. That's something you don't see on that, on any major highway. I've been here in Texas 20 years and I've never heard nothing like that before. Yeah. Well, that part about it didn't shock me much because I mean, I don't know him. I didn't know him like that or what he was into, but I just, you know, the way I got made it to the street, they say he was in the street. So in the street, you know, the street don't have lights. So it ain't really no, it's all fair game in our town. Yeah. Yeah, it's all fair game in the streets. Yeah, you know how to, you know. Yeah. It ain't no, it can happen anywhere where everybody see your own sight, they say. Your own sight. But yeah, the young niggas say on site, the old niggas been following up for years. Yeah, that's true. You know what I'm saying? So man, like, yeah, you didn't know how I've been at that peeping tongue, man, it's closed now, ain't it? Yeah, I know, I already pulled up. We were young when we met. Boy, that was a long time ago, man. I posted your gold card the other day. Did you? Remember? You know, I still got the gold card. They was laughing. They were laughing. I told them I had it, these niggas trying to play with me, man. I get on this show and act up. You know what I'm saying? Well, they should have never gave me no cameras, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you got plenty of them. My next question is, so did you know Big Pokey? Oh, yeah. That happened since you've been out, right? I was just a fan. Okay, so when you heard about what happened, what did you think? I still really don't know what happened. I just know he passed. Yeah. I think you said it was a hard condition. I said it was a hard condition. I was about to say so, you know. I hate that, man, you know. Yeah. And again, with social media, the thing that I can't stand with social media is that everything happens right there before, you know, before social media is like, okay, it's a protocol. Let me notify the family. Let me, you know, before they put it on the news and everything like that. But if you're out in the open, everybody, the first thing everybody do is take up their phone and start videoing. Yeah. And it goes straight to social media. ESG takes me FaceTime me, really. I didn't answer it. And then I look back and I text him and he say, man, he say Big Pokey did. I like, what? It's like three in the morning, bro. He hit me like that. Cause me and him, you know, we talk. And I was like, that messed me up, man, because it's so crazy how these same cameras and these phones and these cameras on these phones, you can have fun with them one day, but then the next day they can turn on you. You know what I'm saying? They can be totally different, bro. And it's crazy how, and you adjusting to how these cameras are coming out. Cause anything you do can. Yeah. It will. Against you. Yes. Maybe it hit me to that early on. She really, really, again, I tell you, she the best thing happened to me, you know, coming out of, I mean, with just whole experience, but she had been trying to give me, you know, hey, she told me, everybody's, it's always somebody recording. And I kept that in my head, then, you know, of course we watch TV and I'm like, you can see somebody fall and hurt themselves when the first thing they'll do is this. Yeah. It's not time to help them up. Yeah. So please, if you see me, I don't mind taking pictures and all that stuff. I'm gonna put your camera in my face. They'll do it. You're not really used to that. They'll do it. Yeah, I know they will. And I'm not gonna go crazy. No, cause they did it to me a lot of times. Yeah, that's, that's time. And you gotta be, you gotta understand, man, a lot of these people have a lot of, even celebrities have accepted it. And the people that they run into accept it. That's what leads these people down these roads. Yeah. Because it becomes norm. It becomes norm. Cause you don't see it, you don't see it. As soon as they come out with it, that the crow goes on me. They come out with it at the storm. I come out to storm a hoodie on. This is the stuff that they do. Cause they want to be, man, they're excited to see you. They ain't never seen, they see you like on this set. You go on real life. All of this stuff, man, is amplifying who you are and you own. And when they see you, oh, they gonna express it, bro. But the crazy thing about it, like for us, like we just think of ourselves as regular people. So just because, and all of this, just like how you say you feel so comfortable because of who we are, but we don't think of celebrities or anything like that. But people, when they see you on their phones or on the TV, cause they might put it on the TV, oh my God, you made it. You're a celebrity or this, you're that. But I'm like, but we're not. We just regular people. Regular people. And the same old two step. You know what I'm saying? So what top three artists of all time did or live? Any genre? Any genre. Number one. Wow, that's a good one. I know, that's what we do. That's a regular question. You know it. Number one. Michael Jackson. That we get that. Number two. Number two. Let me see if you're going to do the regular one, two, three. Frankie Beverly. Oh, okay. It's hard, it's hard. That's different. Number three. Damn, only three. Only three. That's it. That's what everybody say too. Say Prince. Prince, yeah. That's the one. People normally say Tupac, Prince, and Michael Jackson. Well, yeah. If we were in rap, but when you- No, it's any genre. Yeah, I know. So I can't, this is only me. There's no comparison in talent with the- With the greats, Mike's and the princes, and the Frankie, the feeling you get when you hear that music is unbelievable. I get it. And then I still didn't get a chance to name Anita Baker, shout out. Ooh, Anita Baker, go ho on that part. No, you had to cut them out. Yeah. No, but- The Whitney Houston's. You had to cut them out. Of course. So, I really hope you drop that at my hope, I hope you don't, because what you felt in there- Is it on a 16? Yeah, what you felt in there, I mean, I think it's something to it. You know what I'm saying? It is, to be honest. It's something to it, bro. And unless you want to hold back and then do it a little later on. I'm kind of weave them together. Weave them together, yeah. I've never drew and ever drew in wire, looking that way, I'm gonna weave it. Me and nephew, gonna shoot it out. Man. It's tough though, but as you know, I was in my jail frame of mind, but it's good music. I'm talking about it's really good music, yeah. So, you were talking about wifey and stuff like, so when did you meet wifey in all of this? A few years ago. A few years ago. How did you meet? Yeah, she reached out to me. Oh, all right. It was four years ago. Okay, okay, okay. It was four years ago. I told you. I was promoting one of my videos in prison. And so, me not knowing much about social media, I went through and you know, you just send it to everybody. And she was just wondering what was the comment. Like, man, that's nice. I was a fan way back when, cool. And then, so you know, that was cool. That was regular then. I think I just, I went and looked at her pictures. And she was cute. I stalked her. Aw. Shout out to the phones that, yeah. Yeah. I stalked her. And hey, she can't, but she was just being supportive as a friend. Right. And then, hey, four years then it's something great. Cause so, was it like, because women are usually sometimes skeptical of, you know, talking to somebody while they're in prison because you know, people say when they get out, they're going to do this, this, this, this, this. And I've heard of stories that when they come out, they go right back to the street saying this, that whatever, it's totally different. So was there any delay with that for you? Did you feel that way? Well, I know she went through a lot. She went through? Yeah, because of her, we played, right? So she went through a lot of scrutiny. So what I would do, just to be honest is, I mean, what can you do? But except plan and prepare, right? So I couldn't wait to get out. To prove. And hoist her, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to put something in your ear, I'm going to put something on your neck. I'm going to put you in there and say, I want you to look good. I want them to see us when we pull up here. We might dress up like who gives a damn, you know what I'm saying? But I just wanted them to know that she should be in stocks because she know how to pick them. You know what I'm saying? That's all right. No, that's true. And did you fall in love before you actually got out and meet her face to face? I did. I never thought I could love her more, right? Until I got my first 48 hour pass. And then, Spent time. Oh, God. And then she made beef chips and rice and shit is over now. I always tell people the way to a man's heart is through his stomach, always. That's how I got him. Hey, watch your mouth, you know. That's how I got him. How you got me? That's how I got him and all that. Man, so what's that? It was another song that you had back in the day too. I'm talking about these old songs because I want people to know who you is because I'm beyond what the music came out. They need to be able to relate. We're trying to get them there. And how did you process that song too? Fool with it? How did they even come together? Man, that's a good story. And I don't want to be too repetitive about the other interviews, but Tump honed me, you know what I mean? He gave me the music and then he had it. That's when the franchise boys- Did you go down to Atlanta? Yeah, I did. Hey, I was so square business, right? He was like, hey, if you come up here, then you can, then I'll work with you. How did you meet him? I met him through some street ties. One of my old mentors, Hevy, was cool with one of his people, Zo up there. And they both, you know, they were like, man, I got to produce a pie, I don't want you. Cause I was rapping and Hevy was putting my money behind me at the time. So we met- Oh, my bad. No, you couldn't- We met through some street ties. And we, and when I went down to the, you know, he opened his schedule up because he was on, I'm talking about Grammy nominations and all that, you know what I mean? But this was before or during T.I. It was kind of after. Oh, so you were coming after T.I. Let's check it out. Yeah, we gon' ask about T.I. We definitely gon' listen- I used to snore cocaine. What about us? Not true snore cocaine. Yeah, let's back up. You see, she square up. She ain't gon' know nothing about all that. So that causes that to keep doing that? I don't know if it's that or if it's- That's what they say all the time. I've heard something like that. You didn't notice when Vita Local came on here? What, nigga, go down there. Let me tell you. Yeah, nigga, I was bad nigga, man. But let me tell you. She told you already that's how I go down. She snipped three, four times sitting right there. Then she said she kinda cleared herself up. She ain't rockin' with it no more. So you should know that these were repetitive questions. You're playing too much. Say, where are you two going? I don't know. I don't, okay. Hey, Squares, man, you have these Squares in the building, man. Let me ask these questions for the Squares because we do have Squares who are watching who don't know nothing about nothing. Man, I'ma flash it back, man. You don't make me flash my stuff back. I say stuff, I got receipts, nigga. I'm not in here just talking. It might sound that way, but I got receipts when the person said, I just put it right there. Oh yeah, that's what happened. But you should've known it back then and you wasn't paying attention. The only thing I've heard about when you snort or whatever, it messes up your canal right there where it damages it, like it burns it away or something like that. Really? That's what I've heard. You know, T-Ray Ray, she does it. So they really specialize in marijuana and that's all they do. That's all they got. You know, they ain't really got the tough stuff, you know, the tough stuff. All natural. They watch it in the movies, you know, but they probably Primo and over there. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. I don't know. We don't know. You know, I probably, they didn't get past the Primo's in the 90s, nigga. That's only here in the States. Oh yeah? Yeah. Okay, well, whatever. I don't believe you. I've been over there. I didn't know like they own some. You know what I'm saying? On a regular high. So let's get back to it, man. So you come in after T.I., right? You see Tip on the pay, a hundred times up on that dang wall. Yeah, but you, you can't, I come in, he worked with T.I. before me. Okay. I don't know what that, you know, I don't know what happened, but he wasn't working with T.I. When you was dealing with him. Yeah. So out of all the people that he was fooling with, he chose me. He allowed me. He said, you know what? I'm going to take a chance on you. He saw something special in you. He did, man. And I appreciate it for that. So he kind of groomed me with my, I was already rapping, but he groomed me. Hey, man, just, you know, don't rap after people because I believe your stories. Hey, you got to trick your, turn your voice to an instrument. You know what I mean? You got to, you're making my logic to where they follow you. You got to put some kind of, you know, make it smooth, you know? Yeah. And I went and got me some perp and some drink. And I said, you know, I went and got a place down there to show him I was square business. Really? Right on West two. Man, you were having paper. I remember you. Yeah, I uploaded. Yeah, you were rocking out with him, baby. You making Texas look good, man. Yeah, I uploaded. I was proud. Yeah. And me and the press machine, we got money. So when you, when you heard the beat, he produced, you know, you heard them, you heard the, it was the flute. What was it? That's what it was. Yeah. It was a flute. And when I heard that, I knew right then I said, this the one. Yeah. I don't know how I knew, but I knew. Yeah. So I wouldn't even write it. I wouldn't even write it at the studio. I went and got my mind right. Like I say, I'm sitting in Indian style by myself. And I started thinking back to my partners like T-Cag, Lil Lee, Lil Riochi, you know, all these young boys that had super swag and the big wheel of the Caprice's and all this. Yeah. I was like on a different level. I was already, not that I had more, but I'm not going to say it was a big or little, but I was older. So I'm 745 being a vet, you know, a Ferrari. Enjoying life. All right. Well, I'm just saying- He just can paint the picture. Visionary. So, but I, so I used, they swag for me, you know. And I, and I started to think, okay, how could I fuse this? You know what I mean? And I sat and came up with that hook first. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a- I'm a, I'm a- I'm a, I'm a- Then I came up to me. Twisted black. Half man, half beast with it. White tee with the penitentiary crease. You might find me in some Air Force ones and the beans in the Plates sake Air Force ones. Man! Like in the street dude, known from my word play Dr. Doolittle. I'm here with the birds, they twisted, blow your wig back like a hairdo, but it won't right up on my jargon that it scare you. So now I was in my zone. Killed it! Killed it! I took them for the hook. Yeah. And put me into the song. Me into the verses. And A, I'ma tell you something, if you like that. I love it. Then wait till you hear this album here. It goin' down. I didn't know what the funny thing is. It goin' down. You know what the funny thing is? What? You see, he's the music. I'm really crazy about this music man. I like to hear music, especially, you know, upbeat music, let me see like I wanna dance, go out and do whatever. But, I knew that song, and I know a lot of songs, but I don't ever know who's singing. But who rapping? I don't wanna know those people. I'm even like, what he's rapping at? I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, dang, he did that? Yeah, that's my boy, man. Oh! Like I said. And I love that song. Right. So, but how many people out there are just the same way who know the songs but don't know who? The person, yeah. Man, people tell her we're crazed when we play the whole nigga. We want to put that whole nigga in. Money everywhere. I'm on that food table. It's two in the back. Yeah, definitely. Stop playing. It's two right down to the side. I think it's, Star Chat, what up? It was a darker school. Why I used to be this old school nigga shoot up in there. I was hailing it though. I loved it, man. We shoot every day and every time that song come on, I knew I was partying. Yeah. Oh, it's going down right there. Say, I loved it, bro, I loved it. I got a question for you. Go ahead. So, but the way how time has changed and the music has changed a little bit, do you feel like he has to change his style a little bit to go with the time? I think he's going to do that anyway. He's changed over the years, but I think people know that they know his tonality is going to be the same no matter how you look at it. Your voice, your tone, you know what I mean? But the way he twists and turns around those, I'm pretty sure that's been changed over the years. He is who he is. But when the beats collapse, he going to know what to do. I think it's going to be spiritual. Church. You know what I'm saying? Because guess what? This is what I wasn't going to do. And if anybody think, oh yeah, I remember that song way back when, if you think you're going to push play on this album and you're going to hear that swag that, forget about it. The format that everybody's rapping to, I studied the game. I would be sitting in the day room, we watching videos, watching 42Dubb, watching Iceware Vezo, we watching Lil Baby and all of that, Baby Money Up, Peezy, all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So while they're watching the TV, I'm watching them watching the TV to see what they like. So I'm studying the game as it went. So man, listen, everything is up to date, nothing's dated because I'm into music. You don't want to keep using the same old chords, how they did from the stylistics if you're going to be singing with Chris Brown. You dig what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. It's coming. Man, what? Man, let me tell you something before we go. Solo Luchi. Yeah. Lil Ronnie. Yeah. They ain't gonna let me do it. Okay, they ain't gonna let me do it. They don't call. What? They don't call. I saw you in the studio with Solo Luchi. Solo Luchi called yesterday and then one of my partners from prison, Turk and I, I mean, we had a session up there because me and him got a show. Yeah. We're shooting a video right now. Hard. You and Solo Luchi? It's called Seiji. That's my nigga. Yeah, he was here the other night. It's called Seiji. And he's the hell of an artist. I know you. He's a character. Very talented. He was like, see, when you were rapping, it was like this. See, he was like this, right? See, but I want you to. Mm. So I'm like, so here I am. You know, I'm like, okay, let's see. Come on. But I'm already on it. So when he pushed play, he was like, damn, you are already there. I'm like, I was studying y'all. That's it. Well, what do you think about the, because drill music is something that a lot of people are doing nowadays. What do you think about this new drill music that all of these youngsters are having? It's different. Because you say you, you listen to music. I know you've heard it. Yeah. Listen, I don't have nothing bad to say about any of the artists or their music because they're also talented. Yeah. They really are. It's just a different style. You know, they talking their experience or you know, someone putting a little bit on his cool music. I think they're very talented. It's, it's not my lane. You know what I mean? Because it's just not, you know, it's just not my like, but hey, they super tied my ass off to them all. I think a lot of these listeners, a lot of people are, I hear people saying, I'm tired of this negativity. I'm tired of the shooting, the killing, the this, the that in the music. Of course. You know, so I think that era, I'm hoping is, is, is dwindling down and a new era is coming around where you're not going to hear a lot of that because when we become parents and you know that this is what your children is listening to. Right. You know what I mean? Nobody really wants their children to keep listening to that. Man, I just don't think that's going to happen. Man. You don't think so? No, I think the, this is just a, now I want to be president. Go ahead. The world is only getting worse. Getting worse. And when these guys going in, they write, they only write in the experience and it's just getting worse, you know? But don't mean I have to do it. I went through 17 years of two months of hell but I'm not going to give you that on every song. But I'm, I'm going to weave it with pain. You know, I like to get money. You know, I'm a hustler. You, that's my first day. I, every time you see me, that's that, are you just on a bass sound? Hook them horns? No. Hustler, true hustler. Yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, they got their land. Listen, man. I think I got with Twisted Black. I don't got hype on the music. You and the elite crowd, Iced tea. I had him do colors for me when I interviewed him. You know, so I'm that guy, like I'm going to get the music out of you. I'm pulling for something. Cause I know already that that's, that, that art is something that changed lives, brother. You know what I'm saying? So I'd be loving it, man. Oh, run and spend some one day you're here and then you're going on that, on that UGK, I had him in here. Like, I love the music, bro. I love to pull it. You know what I'm saying? And every time I get an opportunity to sit down with y'all, man, really you guys, man, legends iconic, you know, when it comes down to what y'all done, nobody'll never be able to do what you done, man, in the way that you did it. So thank you so much for what you gave. Thank you guys, man. And thank you for your effort. I hope you enjoyed this show, man, cause I'm getting down. I'm giving you everything I got. Yeah, man. They really ought to enjoy it. You put on a good one. Man, thank you so much, man. Let me say this before we go, because I got chest eyes for this. Follow me on Instagram. I was going to mention it anyway, he said! Say it! Follow me on Instagram, at Scar for Life underscore entertainment and all other social media platforms is the real, the real Twisted Black. Okay. And your website? Is whatever he say the website is. Realtwistedblack.com. Realtwistedblack.com. Realtwistedblack.com. If you could go back, you know, no, I'm gonna crush that. If you were not able to be around the situation, even to speak on it, and somebody was doing a documentary on Twisted Black, just give me some of the things that you would want them to say about you. He played hard and he played fair. Wow. You know, like, I did my best. Wow. I did my best, you know what I'm saying? I'm not better than nobody else. I just, I do my best. When it comes to music, I do my thing, man. I'm gonna say this to you before you get off here, man. The only thing is what you done at the end about that Instagram and all that. This game now is a brand game. The music is a percentage, but it's not the whole thing. So all of it, the whole, your movement, when you walk in the door, when you come to a set like this, whatever you're doing that behind the scene is so important. Everything you do, people wanna see a portion of it. You might think it's nothing, but to them, it's everything, brother. That's the thing. Everything you do, every move you make, every where you go, get that special someone that you can trust, whether it be your wife, your friend, have something the way you can capture that. Cause all of that, it's content over create. So it's just content over create. It's not about the creation as much as it's about the content. I know. So they wanna see, they wanna see. That's all I'm gonna say, man. Hey man, that was good game. Not for real. It's crazy because I was just sitting in the studio and there's a white engineer there and he just told me that he's white black. They want the content more than that. Content comes before the music. It does. And he says it sucks, but that's the way it is. That's the name of the game? They want the content you get to them. Give it to them. Yeah, everybody. Everything about you right now is so important. Yeah, but everything for everybody. I get it, but you ain't gonna give them everything. You're an artist. You should be able to project your artistic way into their life. I don't never wanna argue with you. Come back quick. I don't never wanna argue with you. Then they got your hand through it. We both did. Oh, she talked. We both did. Oh, 20 years. We both did. We're gonna die, man. We both leos. We three days apart. Oh man, that's crazy, man. Check it, man. Save, man. Listen, man. Thank you for coming on the show. We love you, Twisted Black. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Every segment, a boss talk, one-on-one, when a boss is talking. And we are.