 Hey everybody, I'm Steve and welcome back to Retro Tech today. We're going to be looking at CRT prices for the last nine weeks This is a little episode. I like to do every once a while that I call market watch and Today we're going to be looking at the last nine weeks of sales data So this is going to be exclusively pro CRT monitor sales on eBay and that is in North America and It's also between the dates of July 1st 2020 and then September 8th 2020 now Most of these sales do include shipping and that's going to be noted if they don't I'll have a little Note beside each item that did not include shipping so you know that and then we're definitely going to highlight some specific monitor sales And today we're going to just be looking at Sony PVM and BVM Trinitron Monitors, so I hope that we all can get together and learn a little more because I'm highly Fascinated with the way that the market just continues to go crazy on the CRTs So first off I want to take a look at just some Sony BVM sales There weren't a huge ton of BVM sales this past nine weeks We were looking at a lot of smaller ones and we had 48045 cues which is a pretty standard travel monitor eight inch screen and Those all went between 250 and 310 dollars was the most expensive one so it's pretty Standard pricing between 250 to 300 on that monitor and then we did have a 14 e5 you which is a nice 14 inch BVM that only does 480i and 240p, but it went for 430 and then a multi-format d14 h5 you went for $727 and that is it for the most part for those Smaller BVMs and none of those sales really stuck out to me as special And there just is a lot less of a quantity of BVMs on the market than say something like PVMs and other monitors, so keep that in mind when you're looking at your pricing here and One other thing that we're going to look at is another Sony BVM sale This is a larger one This was a 20 f1u on July 31st and it sold for 1900 dollars. It was free shipping and The thing that I noticed about this one is it said it was a grade C monitor And this should have a protective glare anti glare layer on it if it's not already been removed But if it hasn't then if there's any scuffs that can be removed by removing that Anti glare layer, but there's a pretty high price on that monitor. And if we go to the next one This is a Sony BVM 20 f1u on August 15th for $2,800 and if you notice here that included the shipping cost which was freight and Let's look at some details on this one because this is a pretty unique Monitor listing here. This one was of course sold by save on Pat out in California the X Sony tech who worked for a long time with these monitors professionally Throughout the 90s and 2000s and is retired now But he still works on these it does sell some on eBay and this was one of his listings now the coolest thing about this monitor is it only had 18 hours of Operation time listed on the listing and it did include a card reader or input, you know control module and Hookup cables so all around it's a nice package the $2,800 This is something on the higher end and then we have one more large BVM sale that I wanted to just highlight here And that was a Sony BVM a 21 a 24 EW1 e1 w you goodness if I can get that right BVM a 24 e1 w you There we go, and it wasn't 2,800. I'm sorry It was $2,900 and 19 20 almost three thousand one dollar short of it that it did not include the shipping cost on there And that one only included the 62 HS It was also listed with a remote, but it said it had a hundred thousand hours on it So that's pretty risky for three thousand hour or three thousand dollars And I don't know if the buyer already had the analog cards or if they just wanted a HD CRT So that was a quite an interesting sale So that was pretty much it all That's all for the BVM sales on eBay over the last nine weeks again Not a huge number of sales total But however if we jump over to the pvms, there's a just Astronomical number of sales here first. We're gonna start with our eight inch models, and we had fifty four fifty four eight inch models of pvms that wound up selling during this time period totaling almost $6,300 at the eighty two twenty and eighty two twenty one that is a composite only monitor And that's the one in the upper right-hand picture with Grand Theft Auto on it average selling price shipped is $85 right now and in the eighty forty and eighty forty ones those actually add a speaker and S video support and those are a little bit more at one twenty five and one fifty five is the jumping point up to a RGB monitor which would be the forty twos and the forty four cues and in the forty five cues are the same kind of deal, so there's quite a few sales there 2780 4244 and four five cues sales all around a hundred fifty dollars shipped each So that's a pretty good price point for that monitor if you're looking for one right now They're selling right at about a hundred fifty dollars There were some nine L series which is just a little bit newer version of those smaller monitors Those were selling for $178 on average shipped there were seven sales of that But again just a large number of sales here and a lot of those eight-inch monitors are selling That's quite a bit for a nine-week period Next we're going to take a look at one Sony PVM 8044 Q listing and it was again from our friend save on Pat And he had another one that he had refurbished and worked on this one went for $248 shipped which was a little bit more than the average However, due to the fact that it's been serviced. It's well worth that extra hundred dollars I felt like and it was a good idea to highlight this because this was the highest sale or highest monetized You know sale monetarily for the last nine weeks on an eight-inch analog RGB monitor Next we're going to look at our 12 and 13 inch series PVM sales And I added the 12 inch there because there were actually a few 12 71 monitors that now that's a 12 inch RGB monitor from the 80s and there were quite a few of those that actually showed up on eBay in the last nine weeks and Three of them sold all pretty much right around that 225 to $230 price point and again It's a really good monitor if you want to start off and just have a cheap entry way into RGB You'll also get composite and as video support with that monitor and those ten those tubes do tend to last a long time Next we're going to jump up to the 1340 and 1341 and 44 q models now It's kind of surprising to me that the 1340 had three sales Averaging 378 I kind of see the discrepancy on some of these monitors that we're going to talk about in this 13 inch category I feel like the reason the prices are different is maybe some people are having some confusion on which Models actually do what and which ones are better than which so there are some good resources to check out But I'll try to briefly explain as we go through the pricing here What might be some of the differences and why some of these shouldn't be priced higher than the other ones? But you know sometimes people just get where it's just a one-time thing and there's only one 13 inch available so sometimes a little bit of a bidding war might happen for some of these where the prices are Little bit spiked where they shouldn't be so again those 44 cues are around a $250 price point And then you're jumping up on that 1351 and 54 q because you're jumping into a monitor that actually adds a service menu And it's a newer model than those four series. So that's a got a service menu added It has component support it adds mono speaker to all inputs for the support so those ones obviously are going to be a little bit more right around that 400 to $420 price point five sales of that monitor But again, if you're looking for something that's cheaper on the end of RGB Those are some monitors to target. Maybe those 1340 level Monitors because they're really good But they just don't have service menus and they're a little bit older So they do tend to sell for a little bit less than the newer ones There were also a bunch of L series sales M series sales and N series sales and then there's some average prices there on Which go to a line cost which the L series about 600 M series about 500 and the N series about 265 quite a few monitors sold right there totaling 50 pvms in the 14 inch at 13 inch at 12 inch category at Almost $18,000 in nine weeks. That's just an incredibly high number for only eBay sales I'm not taking an account any other type of You know sales forum for or sales Method for this time period. So Anyway, let's jump into some more of these specific listings and first I want to take a look at the L series because this was some interesting information first off the L1 the L1 sold quite a few monitors and it was Price of quite a bit higher too than I thought it should be valued at or at least at the top end of that So let's take a look at some of these sales five total Averagen on the low end from $170 all the way up to $464 and What I want you to take a look at is that 170 that is a pickup and that is a good deal on that monitor But take a look at the picture. I've provided here. Just note that the L1 is the one monitor in the L series That doesn't support anything beyond Composite and S video so you're not going to get support for Component or RGB through this monitor now everything else is pretty much the same as the other L series or the L2 Except it doesn't support those extra lines So I'm kind of concerned that these ones are already starting to creep up in price for just an S video and composite only monitor And I was really surprised to see multiple sales for over $460 now that is shipped but still to have that sell for that price is pretty amazing to me Next I want to look at a couple of L5 sales that these were by the same seller So there's a possibility they are the same sale But I do believe they might have been different because I feel like this seller when I was doing some research had quite a few around the Same time period and I do remember people telling me that they had bought some from this seller So I found to listed at the same price buy it now 770 that is about to go in rate for a shipped 14 L5 that works well right now I feel like that's a good price and so two sales there Next we're going to move on to our M series monitors And this is again one of the largest categories of sales because it's one of the best RGB monitors overall But we're going to have a huge discrepancy in our prices for the exact same monitor model again And this is going to have to do with a lot of time of just being consistent with watching Listings and also, you know how Sometimes you get a bidding war on something on eBay and I think that's there's a good example here All in all though, I do feel like this is a pretty low average price still for 14 M to you now one thing To note on all these none of these were listed as refurbished. They were all tested and good One was a pick up at 260 great deal But the thing I really wanted to highlight here is the unbelievable deal that two people got one as recent as two days ago And I don't know how I personally missed these auctions But these were buy it now is pretty much one for a hundred seventy seven dollars and one for a hundred fifty dollars shipped on an M series Working, you know, just I guess somebody really sometimes just wants to get rid of these So you kind of have to set all the alerts and be ready to go because some people got some incredible deals There was a third sale for 200. So I don't I mean that's some incredibly low prices I feel like that the this monitor generally will go for between 350 to 500 Dollars depending on the condition and if it's on an auction or not Let's take a closer look at some of these lower price sales first off this hundred and fifty dollars shipped like Priced monitor here. I even have a picture pulled up of somebody who had test patterns pulled on this And they had a sold for buy it now of ninety nine dollars and ninety five cents. And that's just crazy It's from California Somebody really wanted to get rid of it badly because they priced at that and I bet you it sold probably within an hour So let these listings I'm gonna go through here right now Be kind of a beacon of hope to you if you don't have a large budget Just stay on top of these things and constantly be lucky because I'm baffled by some of these sales Next we've got another one again Show in the screen tested and turned on this one is missing the Sony emblem But it's still a $200 shipped that is a fantastic price and Definitely not, you know, you can't lose at that price for eBay Finally we've got a hundred and seventy seven dollar listing that just happened two days ago And I really am just beside myself because normally I watch these I can't believe these three listings got even out from under me It just shows I haven't had the time to watch them myself, but there are still great buys around So if anybody got these monitors, please let us know in the comments how it turned out because you definitely got some Incredible deals there next let's look at the 14m for you sales Which again there were three that I felt two were really good deals One was a really good deal to that was a pickup But one was just unbelievably blown out of the water and it was the big sale of the month That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense and I'm wondering if something nefarious is going on But there's nothing really to prove that yet But we'll take a closer look at this bidding history or the actual auction itself This was for a pristine Sony PVM 14m for you video monitor high res and it came from again, California It was listed as having the original box. There are photos of the box This monitor did start off at a very low price and after 41 bids took off to over 1600 and seven that's $80 over 1680. I mean that's just a staggering price for that That's almost what they would have charged for them You know refurbished from Sony directly most likely back in the day when these were actually in use So this listing just totally blew me away. I posted it around to see what other people thought You know sometimes these eBay auctions You got sellers that have multiple accounts that will sit there and bid up their items So I don't know if that was going on here. There's really no evidence to prove it so but The fact too is a lot of these time a lot of times the box monitors do not come available very often and Now that it's 2020 it's getting really even harder every day to get another one of these So this is just proof that you know if you have one in great condition and so have the original box You can command a high number And then speaking of ones in boxes. This is another one that sold Just last night and this was actually from one of my patreon members. So Good look for a shout-out to you for going and getting this and His name is Nicholas and he got it for 460 now He is going to drive it pick it up, but this is an incredible deal It's a 14m for you in the original box It included x-point extra on cross-point and an RGB interface with that so that's just an awesome deal 460 in the original box and you know compared to the listing we looked at just before it just a You know Unbelievable how these listings could just be different priced That's why the auctions just seem to get out of control and maybe some of these buy it now's are Maybe sometimes desperate to sell them or don't really feel like it should be sold for more than that So it feels like you're getting a better deal most of the time with buying a buy it now when you find one and jump on it Don't these auctions are just getting out of control sometimes Now I want to talk about the Sony PVM and series This is an important conversation guys because some of these in series monitors are again s video only monitors They're only 500 TV lines, but there were quite a few sales of it the 14 in that time period So the average price was $262 here and the shocking thing was as many of those monitors were or half of them Were the non RGB units and they were going for the same prices as RGB units So again, that makes me think that people are not paying full attention to which monitor They're maybe bidding on or buying and they don't realize sometimes that they're getting one that doesn't have RGB And it only does s video and composite So just so you know the ones that are N2 and N6 have the RGB inputs in them and the ones that are in ones and in fives are Not RGB. So you would have to you can convert those to RGB with adding components But it doesn't make sense that they're going for the same price as the ones with RGB They should be going for a little bit less. I mean, I normally would sell this kind of a monitor Before shipping for $150 so 260 would be normally about that price But again, this is eBay So these these monitors shouldn't be going for too much more than that 250 shipped on eBay But they're they're right at that now and so you're actually getting a deal if you find one with RGB I guess maybe that's the way to look at it instead of thinking that the s video ones are too high Next I want to look at a specific again pvm 1353md and I'm sorry. I know I keep highlighting save on pet sales here, but every category he has the highest Priced probably best listed item for that size and sale over the last nine weeks So we know he's been busy. It's not just me fixing CRTs He's been quite busy and he's got them and he's been selling them a lot So good for him and again, I don't don't think there's any affiliation here I just am highlighting these sales because they are Impressive to me and I love to look at them this one again refurbished You're looking at eight hundred And twenty dollars for this sale eight hundred and twenty dollars But again Another great example of a wonderful starting monitor if you got this one I'm sure it's going to be perfect and you'll never want to get rid of it The 1353 is just like the tour or 14 m2 mdu It has the two sets of rgb and component switchable inputs Which nowadays is probably one of the best features of that Particular line of pvms Next I want to draw jump over and look at some random Large pvm sales. This would be on the 20 inch and larger screens starting to look at those sales numbers Again, not a huge number on here. Mostly people were buying the 14 and 8 inch monitors We did have some so first there was one 1953 st Which is pretty much the same as the 1953 md all the way. It's nearly identical 957 ships. That's about you know, what you'd probably expect to pay on ebay almost a thousand dollars for that monitor now Right under that. We have a 20 into you that was picked up for 155. That's a pretty darn good deal There is an opera. There is a chance that some of those in twos even though I say they all Generally have rgb double check the back of the monitor Because occasionally somehow sometimes it could have the other board in there and it might just have s video So even though I told you the n twos Definitely check them and double check before you buy one to make sure that it has that component Board and that's the input board where your power and your video inputs go into but that was a really good deal A 20 l2 recently sold for almost a thousand a couple of 20 30s sold for 800 dollars each And then we had a 25 30 that sold for a thousand dollars Which is this monitor right here in the background is a 25 30 And we've also got some of the other monitors example behind us in today's show So uh, one of the other things I wanted to look at is of course the m series sales on a 20 inch monitor We're talking about the m twos first and there's a big price discrepancy again between all these monitors So we need to look at some of them and uh highlight them a little bit more closely First i'm going to actually start with the one that's the second cheapest down here I think that this is a pretty good average price there But if we look at these Individually the second or the very last one down here for 500 dollars that one I think had an issue with it now the screen was turned on But it was either in under scan mode or might have had some components bad on it So that one should be uh marked as taken, uh, you know example of or marked out And then this one on 718 it was a pickup So that one just note that those two are anomalies on the cheap end the reason they're costing less And I just wanted to highlight these more expensive ones because it blew me away again This one was $1500 shipped From pennsylvania came with lots of cables tested Really good shape 20 m2 mdu and somebody just wanted it $1500 later. Boom. They got it And so that was an incredible sale this month not from save on pat This is another cool one for $995. It's in the original box And then you had an additional $95 shipped So not a terrible deal, I guess if you're going to be spending $1,000 and expecting to spend that You definitely want to have that box because obviously that adds value and it will continue to add value If you could keep that box My suggestion is if you do ship a box like this double box it so you can protect the box inside of another outer box Lastly I want to look at our Or not lastly but next for the m series lastly I want to look at the 20 m4 u sales m4 u prices are really getting up there. So not just in the 14 inches, but now on the 20 inches You're not going to pay normally less than $1,000 for one And a lot of times you're going to spend between $12 to $1500 on them now It's just getting crazy. The auctions are going nuts This particular monitor it is 800 tv lines and looks really awesome But again the fact that it's over $2,000 sometimes is kind of head scratching This was on the last day of the month of july. This one went for $2,000 nearly Now the funny thing was this auction actually happened twice So it went once and it closed at like $2,200 And obviously that person didn't pay because the auction was relisted And then it went another week and then it finished out at nearly the same number So just some history on that one because I did watch it as it happened Next I'll show you this 20 m4 u which I'm going to chastise this seller right here If you're looking at this seller look what you're doing It looks like you're listing this and you're leaning this plastic backed pvm And I mean plastic back of the case you're putting that case directly on the carpet And you're putting all this pvm's weight against that plastic back shell And that could destroy this pvm with its seconds What a well, I hope he's not doing this, but it looks to me like that's what's happening You should not do that with your monitor. Okay, especially whether you're going to list for $1,500 $1650 shipped How about that so again? You know I again Cannot cannot do that with the monitor. That's dangerous. But anyway, let's move to the last one This was almost $1,000 and free shipping Georgia is where it came from in the united states another just 20 m4 u And it has again become one of the most sought after pvm's in the marketplace Last I want to talk about sony pvm 20 l5 sales and This one has basically had an average price of $2,200 all of a sudden there's five sales recently And I'm not going to really go into each individual sale on this one Because there wasn't too much to note the only thing I will tell you Is I did talk to the people who bought the two Lowest price ones on that list those people are patreon members of the retro tech Patreon page which there's a link to in the description They conversed with me and I advised them on both these and they out I mean and even though I didn't directly sell to them I mean through my advice they were able to get these at the best prices on the market $1,700 that was a shipped price and then $1,300 was a pickup And so both of those are really great deals considering this monitor is pushing Over $2,500 shipped for an average price now on ebay, which is just astounding this monitor used to be Uh auction it would go for like 900 bucks just a year and a half ago But now we're looking at this thing getting almost three times that As we roll into the end of 2020 It'll be interesting to see how this one and other really high-end monitors continue to grow and price as the year goes on And friends, this is the time where we're just going to summarize a lot of the stuff we've talked about here today And uh what I want to do is go over The fact that 132 sony pvms and bvms, and that's just those were sold on In nine weeks in ebay alone. I didn't include olympus brand monitors I didn't include panasonics jvc economies none of that. I didn't include any government auction sites I didn't include any sales that were on crt reddits forums or in facebook groups or anywhere else on the internet Which would have been like craigslist offer up. They are still sold of those kind of things You're looking at definitely in this time period at least 150 crt's that have been sold maybe even more On ebay alone. That sales number was a staggering over 59 thousand dollars during that time period So that's a nine week time period If I were to stretch that out and average that and you know make it out into a year We're looking at a market now on ebay. It's just about 350 thousand dollars annually for crt's Which is just incredible and I like to see that I like to see people really care about these This is not a fluke anymore 132 crt Sony bvm and pvm sales in a one You know small time period of just two months and one week It kind of proves and and again all the other episodes of ret retro tech Market watch that I've done before this that have kind of highlighted more sales It's just proves this isn't a fluke this stuff's growing then and the prices Are just going to continue. It looks like to go up Especially on the multi formats and the high res crt's those are climbing Astronomically and if anything's larger than 14 inches, it's going up even faster So that's it this month What I plan to do is I plan to have one more of these episodes probably in another nine weeks And then hopefully at the end of the year we can take that information Plus the information in the last couple weeks of the year Put it all together and see what the whole Market has done over the last entire year will combine all the information from all the episodes and have a year-end round up But again, my name is steve if you guys enjoyed this Please make sure you leave a like and share the video somewhere with somebody who's interested in crt's And if you find one of these crt's Definitely make sure you know what condition it is because that's the biggest factor too is the condition of the monitor So make sure that you don't just throw this away if you find one of these You might have a goldmine on your hands and at least a nice couple thousand dollars if you have one that you could sell Have a great day, and I'll see you guys next time with some more retro content