 What up everybody? Welcome to recovery Monday episode two. Today we are going to talk about the fact that you are not sick. We're not sick. This is not an illness and your anxiety problem just a natural process kind of gone awry. So that's we're going to talk about today for those of you that have been waiting patiently for the last five minutes. I'm sorry. I'm a little bit late. We had technical problems, but we're going to get started in a second. So we are here live on YouTube and Facebook. And as you guys wonder in by all means, say hello, let me know that you can hear me. Let me know that everything's working. Okay, I see everybody's arriving now. That's great. So we're going to take I really am going to do my best to try and cut this down to 15 minutes or so. I promise. But I don't know. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. We'll see. It's going to be what it's going to be. So I will remind you that if you are watching from the Facebook group, I'm not going to be able to see your name. I'm only going to see Facebook user, but that's okay. We'll still make do. So who is here? Laura is here. Bessie's here. Let's see here. Melissa is here. What up, Appalachia? We got folks coming in from YouTube. Allison's here. Bethany is here. Everybody's here. We'll wait for a few more folks to show up. We're already up to 27 people. I know I'm a little late. We had technical difficulties, but here we are. It's working out. So today, today we're going to talk about the idea that you are actually not sick. You are not ill. I know we talk about mental illness all the time. But from where I sit, anxiety is not a mental illness. Now, I will fully acknowledge that some people want to really disagree with me. Some people actually like the label of mental illness, and that's perfectly within your rights. If you want to say this is an illness, then that's okay. I'm not necessarily here to argue with you, but I just want to at least consider the opposite, the different point of view, that you are not sick. And we're going to talk about that now. So all of these things that we talk about in Recovery Monday are essentially, hang on a second here, let me get it. I always have it with me now. Everything we talk about in Recovery Monday is essentially a lesson out of this book. So we're basically going through this book, The Anxious Truth, kind of lesson by lesson, and we're going to talk about these things. So we're literally working our way through the Recovery Guide. We started last week, and we continue this week. So let's talk, yep, the big book. So Jamie says it just started the big book. That is the big book. The one I just showed you, that is it. And I will put up the URL on the screen if you want to grab it. I highly recommend that you either listen to all the podcasts or read that book. That's what we're talking about here. So why are you not sick? So my assertion when I started chapter one, lesson two in The Anxious Truth, is that I said right away, you are not sick and anxiety is not an illness, which I know gets debated all the time. But hear me out. Like an illness is something that happens to you that is beyond your control, right? It is people get sick. They get terrible illnesses like cancer or Alzheimer's disease or leukemia or there's all kinds of illnesses that people can get throughout their lifetime that has nothing to do with us. We can't control that. Sometimes it's externally generated. They're environmental factors, whatever it is through the best laid plans. Sometimes we get sick or we get injured and those are illnesses and they actually impair the ability of our body to function. Conversely, I want you to consider the idea that anxiety is not an illness, but it is a state. So in the book, I say anxiety is just a state and in all honesty, it is a natural state. It is part of being human. Anxiety is a natural, normal, baked-in response to human beings that are designed to sort of alert us to danger and keep us safe in situations where we need to take some sort of action. So everything about anxiety, the state of being anxious, even the state of being in a total panic is just a state. Just like happiness is a state. Just like fear is a state. Sadness is a state. Excitedness is a state. Well, anxiety and fear are also states. They are normal, natural parts of being human beings, right? So that is not something that happens to you. That's not supposed to happen to you. It's actually supposed to happen to you from time to time. Every human being gets a little afraid sometimes. Every little human being gets anxious sometimes. We worry, right? So this is just a part of being alive on planet earth. If you are human, you are going to experience anxiety. It is one of our natural states. This is not to say that it is a desired state because nobody likes to be anxious and nobody likes to be afraid. Nonetheless, it is a state that serves a purpose in its normal form and its normal form, its non-disorder form. Anxiety serves a purpose in our life even though we don't like it. So anxiety in my world is not a sickness. It's not an illness and it is not a disease. It is a state. So if it was just the normal state and we have nothing to worry about, then you guys all wouldn't be here and I wouldn't have to write books or have a podcast. So what actually is the problem? Well, the situation here is that your anxiety response, your fear response, that threat detection mechanism has just kind of gone off the rails. So for people like us, then I count myself among you guys because I was you and to a certain extent, I can still feel anxiety and every once in a while I still have a panic attack now and then it can happen to me. So for people like us, what winds up happening is we get conditioned to fear that state, right? So we get conditioned to fear the normal and natural predictable responses that our bodies throw at us in response to what is either a stressor or a perceived danger or a threat in the environment around us. So when we perceive a threat, our bodies respond, our minds respond, they generate scary thoughts. They generate anxious thoughts. Our body generates anxious sensations, part of the fight or flight response, right? We're all familiar with all of those things. Those are the symptoms and the thoughts that come with that. And what winds up happening is over time, we get conditioned to, since there is actually no real threat most of the time, we get conditioned to treat the anxiety itself as a threat. So we become afraid of being afraid. So we become afraid of our thoughts, our sticky thoughts, our intrusive scary thoughts. We become afraid of them. They become threats to us. The things our bodies do in response to being in a normal anxious state become threats to us. And so what winds up happening is maybe feeling a little bit anxious, but you can't tell why which is many times how most of these things start, especially if you're dealing with panic disorder or gorophobia. It probably all started with one day I had a panic attack and I don't know why I came out of the blue, right? Or one day I just started feeling all these anxious things and I didn't know why. And we try to figure out why it's happening and we try to figure out why we're having these scary thoughts or these thoughts that really disturb us or represent who we really are and are. They seem terrible to us. We start to try to figure them out. We can't figure them out. We don't know why all this is happening to us. And so the anxiety itself becomes the threat. Right? So essentially when I say in the title of this, the initial title of this video is that this is a, in fact, I believe in the book, Lesson 1.2 is a natural process gone awry. Right? So it is exactly that. In this situation, the natural process of scanning for threats, finding threats and responding with anxiety or fear or worry or concern goes off the rails. So it itself becomes the threat and then it starts to run away from us because we can't stop it when that happens and then it kind of snowballs. It gets worse and worse and worse. So you get to the point where you decide that your thoughts are the worst thing in the world. Your heartbeat is the worst thing in the world. Your nausea is the worst thing in the world. I don't have to go through all of them. If you're watching, I'm sure you could come up with something that is bothering you that you would call the worst thing in the world. Right? And I understand that. I really do. So that is why I say you are not sick. The problem here is that that process sort of went off the rails and you get caught up in that cycle of fear and scanning and fear and scanning and detection and scanning and response and avoiding and running and trying to stop it all from happening. And then you can't and it seems like it's like a monster coming to get you. So the reason why so many people will say that they are mentally ill or call it an illness, I can understand that because if you're trying all kinds of things to stop it from happening and none of them work with any consistency, it would look a whole lot like you're trying to cure some sort of disease and you can't. So this is why I would say it's not an illness. It's a state. It's just a natural process that has gone off the rails. And the path of recovery is to work on getting that process sort of back on the rails so that we put those normal natural processes of threat detection, threat response, bodily response thinking. We put them back into the normal places in any human life. So that's the principle behind today's Recovery Monday chat is that you are not sick. This has just gone off the rails. So no matter how many times you want to tell me or anybody that will listen that you have to overcome short of breath or you have to overcome dizzy or how do I overcome nausea or how do I overcome the scary thoughts and it feels so real, it still can be boiled down to this anxious response gone off the rails still just because you haven't been able to solve it does not make it an illness, right? So that's what this is all about. So that's good 10 minutes of a little bit of lecture and then let's take it. Let's take our comments. I'm going to put the chat overlay up on the screen so you guys can start to see what I'm seeing. I forgot to silence stuff so you guys might see some here's some phone binging going on here and there. So let's see who we have. So like this is a good example right here. Can't tell who it is because again, I can only see Facebook user, but right away we are 30 seconds into the video and the first thing is how to deal with right how to deal with because I do understand in your world you are thinking this is I must try to solve this particular part of my anxiety, depersonalization, derealization and that's sort of treating it as if we have to try and make that go away as if if I had a cold I would try to make that go away or if I had some sort of illness I would try to make that go away I would treat the symptoms of that illness. That's that's part of what keeps the cycle going. But when we were less than a minute into the video when somebody needed to ask how do I deal with a particular symptom? Right, so that's part of the problem. You do the answer to that is you don't have to learn a special way to deal with this and in a podcast episode I might do this week. I haven't quite decided which episode I'm going to record this week. I'm going to do one called are you following principles or are you looking for instructions and that will speak to some of that. So let's see what is going on here. Everybody's saying hello. I appreciate that. Here we go. I get fed up of people saying anxiety is a mental illness. Now look, I do get it. This sometimes could be a really hotly debated thing. I have told people that I don't think that they are mentally ill and I've had some people get really angry with me and I will never argue I will present my case just like I did just now. Then sometimes people don't like that and I've heard some people either say that they really feel like they need that label because it helps people understand why they can't do certain things and I respect that. That's fine. I've also heard some people say that the term mental illness is applicable so that it keeps it in the consciousness of the mental health community and people don't forget us anxiety people. They need to know that we need attention too and that you know what I can't even understand that argument too. So that's totally fine. So let's see what this one is really quickly. I'd be more worried if I didn't feel fear. Right, you're a human. This is an excellent, excellent comment. Whoever said this, I'm sorry I can't see your name. But if you didn't feel fear and you didn't have negative feelings, if you did not feel worry, if you did not feel upset, if you didn't feel fear sometimes something would be wrong, right? That's just that's part of being human. Like that's part of being alive. We all have to have those problems, those feelings once in a long while. We can't help it once in a while, not a long while. I have referred to it as mental illness in all honesty, but not as much as I previously did. Well, it happens. Bessie makes a really good point here. You become hyper aware that also makes it feel like something is really wrong. Like you're constantly scanning for this response. You're constantly scanning for those feelings. It happens quite often and that also leads you to believe like something is wrong with me. I'm sick. I'm ill. I have to fix this. I have to cure this. When in reality what we have to do is unlearn some of those responses that have gone off the rails. Jenny's here from Australia. What up? California's here. Ruminations says Melissa. Okay, this is fair. We like to label things that's more convenient. And I get that. And look from a practical standpoint, in certain instances, there's a reason why we do have labels for some of these things. For diagnostic reasons, for statistical reasons, for research reasons, for insurance reasons. We do label some of these things. So it is true that if you went into a qualified clinician and asked for diagnosis and was assessed, you might be diagnosed with panic disorder. You might be diagnosed with panic disorder with agoraphobia. You might be classified with some subtype of OCD. We do need labels to a certain extent. I do get that. We need those labels to organize things in certain instances. But sometimes you have to be careful that the label doesn't mean, just because you have been diagnosed. Let's touch on that for a second. Where are we? 13 minutes. So let's touch on that for a second. Just because you have been diagnosed by a qualified clinician who has given you a diagnosis, you have social anxiety, you have OCD, you have health anxiety, whatever it is, you have an official diagnosis, that still doesn't mean that it is an illness, right? So, and I think most clinicians would say that, that is the way we are going to classify your particular problem. And this way, we can actually come up with ways to treat it and understand the best ways to treat that and approach it. But it still doesn't make it a diagnosis, does not officially claim, confirm that you have some sort of illness. And yes, I have people who argue with me when I say that anxiety is not a mental illness. I get that. I mean, to be honest with you, I think my point of view is a little bit in the minority. If you ask the people around me who you see me collaborate with and work with a lot of times, they would probably agree with me to a great degree. But if you go outside of these circles and to just sort of general mental health, general self-help on the internet, a lot of times you will get people who will argue with you hard over that. I knew this was going to come up, so I will put it up on the screen. I agree, but why do some docs say it's a chemical imbalance in the brain? Look, I'm not a doctor. I'm never going to be a doctor. I have no plans to be a doctor. There's just certain things I don't have enough time to accomplish. That's one of them, right? But in the end, the chemical imbalance theory, if you live in the United States, and Ivan, I don't know where you are, but if you're in the United States, I want you to think back as to what our TV looked like, say, 10 years ago, when it was absolutely riddled with advertisements direct to consumer about antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications. All the time, they were everywhere. And they would drop that term chemical imbalance again, and again, and again, and again, and again. Listen, I'm not tin foil hat conspiracy guy, just giving you the facts of how these drugs literally were marketed. They use the term chemical imbalance because it's very easy for the lay person to understand. I had a doctor back in the 90s that told me you have a chemical imbalance, just like if you were diabetic, you would have to take insulin. So that was a really great marketing term, but even in the day when they were using those terms, if you read the monographs and you read the drug inserts, you would see that even the pharmaceutical companies would have to tell you that this was a suspected mechanism of action and they didn't truly know that there was a chemical imbalance or even what that would mean. So chemical imbalance is a thing that became a really easy way to explain to people why they needed these meds, and I get some of that, I really do. But just because that was the marketing lingo doesn't make it necessarily true. And if you noticed, you have not heard that anymore. So drug companies like GSK don't say chemical imbalance anymore, and there's a reason for that. So again, I understand that a lot of especially psychiatrists, and I know sometimes they're going to get heat for this, there's just some dude on the internet without a medical degree arguing with doctors, I'm not arguing with them. I'm not saying that medications don't help some people, I took them for a while. However, I think it's a little bit tough to just have to tell a patient that like, well, you have a chemical imbalance and we have a drug that treats that imbalance, when really we don't necessarily know that, nor do we know exactly how the drug is working. And I have just have a problem with maybe less than informed consent. So that's my take on the chemical imbalance theory. And you'll see that they don't really say it anymore. There's a reason why you do not hear any new marketing material that will say chemical imbalance. All right, so let's see. We'll keep going. 16 minutes, June, all right. I'm forever trying to work out why I'm feeling the way I'm feeling, always looking for answers. That is a big part of this, right? So we're going to get as we go through Recovery Monday and we go through this book, we're going to talk about that. But that is part of the problem I need. I'm trying to figure it out. I can try to figure it out. I must figure it out. And then I can't and then it's problem, right? So I get it. Thank you very much. This is a very nice comment. It has helped me tremendously since reading it. Thank you. Appreciate it. And I'm glad that it has been helpful to you. So let's see. Well, let's see. Most doctors don't understand the mechanics of anxiety. This is a tough one because, again, we don't really want to throw stones at doctors. They're here to help. I believe that most, if not all of them, really genuinely do want to help. But they're just not trained in certain things. Like, not every doctor can be trained in every disorder. Not every therapist is trained in every disorder. So I understand that sometimes the experience with the doctors is less than great. But a lot of times it is because maybe they don't understand or they haven't been trained or they just haven't had enough experience in it. That happens. That happens. But I do believe they're all trying to help. I really do. So let's see. I believe it. I feel it's a learned behavior. What we do in recovery wouldn't work. Yes, correct. So this is another hotly debated topic. And we'll get into it as we go through the series every Monday. But many people will argue that, no, this doesn't. You can't. That's crazy. Like, you have to find. I'll get into it very quickly here. You've got to find the root cause. You have to heal. You have to do all these things or what you're saying, Drew, and all the people that sound like me can't possibly work. Yet here we are decades and decades into cognitive behavioral therapy. And that is evolving, by the way. Cognitive behavioral therapy does not look like it looked in the Claire Weeks Day. And it shouldn't because things evolve and change over time. But we just have decades upon decades of evidence that tells us that these really are the gold standard treatments, even as they evolve. So it's really hard to hear that argument that, like, no, if you don't heal and file your root cause, if you don't solve the chemical imbalance, if you don't change your diet, if you don't become more spiritual, you can't possibly get better. It's really hard to hear those arguments when there's just tons and tons of people that are getting better doing it this way. Which is, by the way, not a way I invented. I will say that forever. Didn't invent any of this. I just seem to be good at explaining it. So let's see. This is important. This is really important. I think we need to accept the fact that there is no answer to any of it. Look, sometimes we do start to get hints as we go down the recovery path. We do sometimes get hints of, like, oh, okay, well, this might be a thing that I need to work on in my life, and this may be a result of certain experiences or relationships that I maybe had in my path. Those things are real. Like, human beings do carry baggage and issues that come along with their experiences. So you can't totally discount this stuff. But if you're in a situation where you think that you are afraid of your own body and mind, you're afraid of your own thoughts, you're afraid of your own bodily sensations, then trying to find the cause of that does become really, really, really frustrating because the anxiety is the cause of the anxiety. But that, again, does not make you say that. That doesn't make you say you're sick. Melissa says, is this live now? It is right now, October 11th, 2021, at 2.27 p.m. in New York. So it is live right now, yes. If you're watching after this, not live. I don't know about this question. I always am so reluctant. Look, Jamie, what I'm going to tell you is sedatives is not something I have a lot of experience with. I refuse to take them. That was just me. I'm not saying I was right or wrong, but I would refuse to take those things. I would take them. I'd get a bottle of Xanax for my doctor and I would take a little tiny, a quarter of it. Like, I'm not a little guy and he would be like, you've got to be kidding. I have women that are half your size that take eight milligrams of this every day. So I kind of refuse to go down that road. I can't really speak to that. I can only speak to the fact that they are addictive. That's not even a question. In fact, a lot of doctors, what I'm seeing a lot of trends people talking about now is that their doctors are trying to get them off them or even refusing to prescribe them at this point. I think there's a little bit of a backlash because of the opioid crisis and these things are not necessarily opioids, but some of the opioid crisis here in the U.S. or in the Western world has really kind of caused a bit of a backlash against the use of the enixiolytics like Xanax or Ativan. So a lot of doctors are really reluctant to give them out. But I can tell you that sometimes if you're in such bad shape that you just have to get a rest here and there, I could totally see why they can be useful. I really can't. But if you're using to take away the anxiety symptoms, then some people would argue, I'm just giving you both sides here, might argue, well, if you take away the symptoms, then what is your exposure? What are you working on? So go either way. But I do absolutely understand that for some people they feel like, no, no, I need a break. I understand that I really do. And I respect anybody's decision to do that, by the way. Let's see, which of your books should I start off with? Start with this one. If you don't know where to go in recovery, then you start with this book. This is the book to start with. Seven percent slower is, I'm told, a great book. And thank you for such great feedback on that. That is a great addition to the anxious truth and an anxiety story is just my story. So that one is not really required at all, unless you just want to know more about this crazy person on camera that keeps talking to you. But yes, start with the anxious truth. That is the one. It's a big book, though. It's not a fast read. It's a workbook, essentially. So you've got to be prepared to kind of go down that road. So let's see. You're welcome, Melissa. Let's see. Labels are an efficient way of communicating. That's true, says Bethany. No, no, no. Is it a chemical imbalance? Let's see here. I'm going to go through. I'm going to go through and see if I can get through these. Memory, when you're having a perfectly fine time at the supermarket, then you remember this is where you often have anxiety. OK, that's reasonable. And we're going to wrap it up in a couple of minutes because I don't want to go too long with this, too late, already at 22 minutes. You guys should just call me out. Every time I say they're going to be short, just call me out on that. I'm clearly lying. So anyway, when you're having a perfectly fine time at the supermarket, then you remember this is where you often have anxiety. That's so true. A lot of people will tell stories about, hey, I was doing really great. And then all of a sudden your brain kicks in with, like, wait a minute, this is not supposed to be great. You're supposed to be afraid here. And the memory of the fact that, like, oh, this is scary. I'm not supposed to do that kicks in. But that's OK. That's part of the process. You write through it, right? You write through it. Let's see here. I see products advertised to common anxiety. Oh, boy. Yeah, we'll go over that one day. Actually, maybe I don't think that's next Monday. It's two Mondays from now. So in two Mondays, one of my favorite lessons from the book, which is called A Drift in a Sea of Bad Information, that's the one we're going to have fun with because we're going to talk about all of the anxiety cures that have been thrown at you through the years. We're going to talk about that. So that's in two Mondays from now. We'll talk about that. OK, this is fair. Let's see here. I could care less of my diagnosis. I'm tired of feeling like crap. You know what? That's actually, I get that. I feel you on that. And that's not a bad place to be. Some people get really caught up in wanting to know what their diagnosis is, and they put a lot of weight in the diagnosis. But sometimes you just get to the point where like, I don't care. Call it whatever you want. That's where I would have been. Like, call this whatever you want. I don't care what you call it. Call it anything you want. I just want to feel better. I get that. I'm going to put this up on the screen because this is important. It's just a state of mind. That is not, now, anxiety is a state. But once we change the attitude to our anxiety and understand the mechanics of it, our mindset changes, I need to address that. You cannot just decide that I understand what anxiety is and change your mindset. Now, I understand where you're going with that, so I'm not calling you out for being wrong. We have to be super careful about this because the internet is full of mindset approaches to anxiety and anxiety disorders, and they will not work. So if you want to change your mindset toward anxiety, you must lead with the behavior. So the first thing we do is begin to behave differently. We act differently. The mindset follows that. It's really important to tell people dealing with this type of thing that they have to behave first to change the mindset because we simply can't decide, well, now I understand what it is, so I'm going to change my mindset toward it. You can, I understand what you're saying. No, I'm not saying you're wrong and I just wanted to clarify it more than anything else. When you change your mindset, the mindset says, okay, the new mindset is now going to act differently than I used to. And then your mindset changes based on the change in behavior. That's really important. Anyway, again, I didn't mean to call you out on that one. Zorica, I'm not saying that you're wrong, but just wanted to make sure we clarify that. Let's see here. Okay, two more minutes and then we'll end up. How do I not believe my brain when it's screaming you're dying? The way, and we go through this as we go through the lessons every Monday, right? But this is the way you can't believe that. You have no way to just decide to not believe it until you act differently toward that. So instead of doing whatever it is you think you're doing that's saving you from that horrible fate, then you start to not do those things and you still wind up not dying or going crazy. That's how experiential learning is the way that you change it. You can't just decide to change, right? That can't happen. Let's see here. Feeling so much better. I got to try to scroll through to get to the end here. Help me see me as a rather than mental health. Very good. This is good. I like how you guys are looking at this. Focus, frustration, fixing mode, fear, fighting. Correct? All true. I'm going to try to scroll through here so we can kind of, I'm an upstate in here. This is very real. I had to be here again. Red dog. I love the name. Hey, Maria. Good to see you again. Always nice to see you pop in. Yes. The only way to get better is to go through it like to the point where I have absolutely, that might be another tattoo down the road. Like I literally have stupid shirts now like in an Etsy store. I don't advertise them, but that's so important to me. They actually say the only way out is through in Latin. So like there's, if you go to the anxiousstreet.com. Slash links, you'll see a link to that if you want to check them out. It's a silly thing. I did it more because that is such a near and dear concept to me, to my heart that the only way to get better is to go through it. It's super important. This is interesting. I just want to put this up on the screen. Medication is now refused in the UK for anxiety. So in the UK and based on, this is going back now, my friendships in the UK in this topic for 12 or 15 years, you guys used to use the beta blockers a lot. Like so a lot of my friends in the UK would be given beta blockers like propanol, anything that ends in an OL, which is just like kind of slows your heartbeat down and tones you down a little bit. You guys were kind of the first to use that. I never heard of that. Here we would give out a sedative like Xanax or Ativan. And in the UK, you would first give out those, the beta blockers. Now I see in the US, doctors are more likely to say, I don't want to put you on Xanax. I'm going to give you a beta blocker. So it's interesting to see how that stuff kind of works out, right? Let's see. Jamie said, only take a tiny amount in an emergency situation. I get, I feel you on that. It was just completely and utterly insane, how little I would take. And I was just so terrified and like stubborn about it. So I get it. Let's see. You have a good day too, Bessie. I'm going to end it up here. I think here is a time to find an OCD therapist. Could be. I'm a huge fan of qualified help. So if you feel like you need a therapist, absolutely, man, absolutely. So let's see. A lot of Benzo talk. Very good. Thank you, Zurich. I appreciate that you understand why I said that. Let's see here. I think we're in. Melissa, I saw your questions. Can you answer mine? You're asking me questions about specific things, about your specific heart problem. There's no question to answer, right? You think that your heart is broken. You think that you're going to die. You'll find if you get involved a little bit more and you listen to the podcast and you stick with us on Recovery Mondays or you read the book, you'll see that I rarely, if ever, address those things. Because your heart is not the problem, right? How can I believe that my heart isn't going to have heart attack? I'm not having a heart attack. By changing the way you behave, you have to drop the way that you act in that toward that, right? I got to keep saving myself, saving myself. You have to stop trying to save yourself. So let's see here. I think that's about it. Here's the, oh, thank you, Bethany. I appreciate it. Yes, I'm on propanol for anxiety. That's a new thing. And you know what? It's probably better because I don't know anybody that gets addicted to a beta blocker. So I get that. Maybe not as effective as a sedative that's going to knock you on your butt if you take a lot of it, but it probably seems a healthier way to go. Anyway, guys, thanks for coming by. We're half hour, so much for my 15 minutes. Again, just calling me out on this. And you're very welcome, Melissa. You're welcome. I'm happy to answer. So what I can do is I could tell you if you do not have the anxious truth and you want to find it, you can find it right there on my website. You can just go to theanxistreat.com and click the book links, the books link. It is there. You can read along with us next Monday. We're going to do the next chapter, which is called No One Ever Told You. And that is basically a discussion about how you were given no information about this. Zero, like none. I didn't have any information. None of you had any information. Like we're going to talk about that. Like how would you have known what this is? Because no one taught you this and no one teaches you this now. Maybe it's going to change, but that's what we'll talk about next Monday. And then the Monday after that, we will talk about being adrift and to see a band information, all the crazy anxiety cures that you've been sold over the years. And we'll just keep going. If you guys are digging it, then I'm digging it too. So I will leave this in the Facebook group on the Facebook page. It will be in my YouTube. If you're watching on YouTube, then I'm supposed to tell you to hit the like button and subscribe to the channel. Go ahead and do that, I suppose. And I'll also put it on my IG team and Instagram so you can watch it anytime you want. And I will see you guys next week.