 I'm going to call the shaboying and common council committee of the whole meeting to order for Wednesday October 26 Please call the roll belt born here Carlson Decker here Hammond here It's common Item in your cat here Kittleson is here Maddichak here Raceler excuse Samson here Van Akron here under wheel here and versey Let's stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, please In the visible with liberty and justice for all Next on the agenda number four is approval of the minutes from the October 12th meeting They have a motion and a second to approve the minutes from the October 12th meeting any discussion all in favor Pose chair votes aye next we have the number five We have a public forum on agenda items anybody wish to be heard in the public forum portion of the meeting Anybody wish to be heard Anybody wish to be heard Chairman's comments. I have none at this time Next on the agenda we have items for discussion and possible recommendation of the common council Item number seven we have a presentation training on the new paperless agendas documents and Madam city clerk. Are you going to handle that or is Dave going to handle that? Okay our IT manager Dave Augustine, please step forward Thank You mr. Chair many members what we're going to be going through tonight is the first phase in our paperless agenda viewing Strategy and what we're going to be showing you tonight is a program that we've Acquired called board docs with with us to help with the presentation is Dennis Rodding from board docs who conducted our training of Sue Richardson win the lung from the first office and he's going to be doing a presentation for us here as well as follow-along To show you how it's going to work so you can access the Agendas once they're prepared out Online on the service that they're providing also the public will also be able to access The same information so once it's approved and ready to go it'll be out there ready for everybody to access So we have to set up a little bit here and we'll get going. So I'm just going to move this over I was just going to mention now while you're doing that we are on television tonight, but not live So we have any questions. We'll need our microphones. Thank you Each of you should have a Instructional packet and that's what the binders are in front of you for your reading pleasure Later on if you want to read more about it Dennis is going to be giving us a presentation and give you some examples of how this will work just from the program standpoint I will be emailing all of you the actual link To get to the website through your emails If you want to write it down the web address To our new city site is WWW depends on so there we go It's WWW Dot board docks just as it sounds one word Dot-com There's forward slash wi for Wisconsin then another forward slash COS wi for city of Sheboygan, Wisconsin and then another forward slash with a capital B O-A-R-D Dot N as in Nancy S as in Sam F as in Frank and like I said, I will be emailing you that link as well Those of you that have those of you that have Baptops that you brought along you can type in that address. You should be able to connect to it as well That way you can play with it as well And then it should be taking us to the site where this is what it will look like when You come to this link and there's basically two choices one is enter public site Then the other one is authenticate With enter public site, that's where you will be going As well as the public to access the agenda and attached documents Which will have our hyperlinks like we talked about last time all embedded in and then we have you know our meetings Where we'll be in the current of the upcoming agendas when they're posted So what I will do now is turn it over to Dennis To walk us through, you know presentation of how they can access and navigation around And feel free if you have any questions raise your hand or ask them You are welcome page for the information of the logo This is what our tech staff So we have something to show you but the Two wonderful ladies back there The day with that new with know how to get in and make all those changes for you What you see here are three tabs meeting tab policies and search Will come back to me What you've got here With the policies tatted if you click on that tab you will go to your policies your ordinances your rule If you will for your just for the city of Shaboy Simply click on it and it opens in a separate window and you can look up any of your code The reason this is here is that you're going to get your Information that the information is ready for you the meeting was ready for you on board dogs probably Thursday Friday is something like that Depending on when this that isn't ready. You're sitting at home Saturday morning You have a coffee to look at your upcoming agenda. You can think up. What's our policy? What is our news will tell you about that you can look it up there without having to go someplace else Window I'm going to show you to search that feature that we have within board These two things are checked meaning What that's going to give you is The ability to search your information within board dog an example is this Two couple years from now we talked about that sometime. I don't remember what it was or when it was But I know that it was when my neighbor's granddaughter was Unrecognized the citizen of the week or something you're in shavoy So what you would do and again if that's not there, but I'll be able to simply type in the word minutes And click on search And it brings up the information that is contained again. There's not much there since you're just gonna start But it would bring up that particular eye your major neighbors granddaughter's name You would then simply Click on that agenda item that talks about your neighbor's granddaughter that appears on the right But that's not what you want What you want is something else in that agenda up here in the right-hand corner does go there You click on go there and it goes to that meeting So then you can say up there it is. That's the item we were talking about That's what I wanted to find so that search engine enabled you to search your past history That's that right now that past history is limited, but as you go into using for doctor Over the years it will become very valuable to you as well as your staff Just to add on that I just want to make one thing just to add on that with our sorry I Raise my hand too. So We talked about in our meeting today as all the past Council meeting minutes will bring them into there as a line item and then that will then populate will be able to search Past history as well is what we had talked about two quick questions one How far back will we be doing that? Oh? And then So those minutes are in agendas that are let's say two years old. We will be able to see all the specific Documents that went along with them. Are we just going to see basically the agenda in the minutes from those meetings? Agendas in the minutes still help Here then you notice that when we clicked on the me on that tab then you can do go into the search I'm going to go back to the meetings tab then These are your current meetings Current meetings. This is kind of silly means current. They're the ones that the next one coming up It's not your history. Your history is going to be contained here in 2011 2010 and she Is That's where your history is going to be These are the ones that are happening right now. They're important right now. It's the next one coming up and When that's going to stay there probably until the next one comes up and then they'll get rid of this one and move it down That all happens for them pretty seamlessly This meeting is a meeting that I created Based on your October meeting of information day sent me. It's not going to look like what They're creating for you my interpretation of that So it's going to look a little bit different, but it will still give you the idea the process is what you're out after To view the meeting it's right there on the welcome screen for you. You simply click on the meeting This appears again, there's a description in here And then there's too much view and print. You can print the agenda if you want You still have to allow for that option because state laws say that you do have to post an agenda someplace So we allow that or make allowances for that. You're going to simply click on view the agenda When you click on view the agenda the screen basically split into two parts over here is your agenda Whatever item is highlighted here is what shows up on the right side It's kind of just like reading email You've got your list of emails you click on it get open You want to go to the next item of your email? You click on it get open The iPad that you're using This is where you're going to run into a little bit of scrolling because the iPad should not have scroll bar There's a two-finger scroller So this is one way that the image is handy placed into an agenda item. That's a hyperlink to that American flag You have to put it in there. No, it's just a demonstration to your staff as to how they can't get something into the agenda That is something about that particular agenda item Moving down approval of the common Want to start baby steps with this so yes, we want to do the console first that way we get our process down Working everything smooth and that way then we can take it to other committee meetings and use it as well Because way down the road They have another product where all the subordinate committees, you know as they approve their things and turn up for the console that can All be handled through a checking and approval software So there's actually a workflow with all of our documents agenda is going up and down But we're not quite ready for that yet. We're still we're in the hyperlink mode right now yet We get to that stage There's a mixture of what we can do either training staff other staff members or there's another Upgrade version of this product that will allow us to do multiple committees with multiple within their own committee Yeah, exactly quick question over here This is the approval of common council meeting minutes of October 3rd You have the meeting the category which is the black bar. That's simply a separator within the agenda You have the subject which is the actual agenda item You have the type the type is where you are the common console members are going to look to see What am I going to have to do with this? Is it procedural is it information is it a discussion item? Is it an action item where I'm going to have to vote on? So it gives you a clue as to what's going to happen there if it is an action item Then a suggested motion will be placed there for you the staff will put in Here then is the Actual content of that item Yeah, and again remember this is my creation. So this is different than what you're actually going to see The console will approve the minutes of October 3rd the council members have a minutes prior to meeting for examination The minutes will be made public within five days. I did not know that you already have that outfit Like I said, this is my interpretation of that But if you happen there, I'll show you that Down here I'm just going to skip down to hearings. You notice a little blue slice there that indicates that there is an attachment here Mayor's announcements hearings information presentation The following hearings are scheduled one two and three There you see again the Matchup You would have this particular one Be the first one of you label differently labeled appropriately the second one would be here the third would be here just like email You want to open the attachment? again That's That And then simply since it is a different window a separate window just like the other one before you close that and again Close this one. He was one of the next attachment You want down your agenda look at the attachment back and forth? All the way Right these are documents they will be PDFs and they will be PDFs for three reasons The first one is is that PDFs are something you put out there and nobody can really break into the medias one number two is that They are then searchable when you put out a PDF and create it from raw material Not throw it on the coffee machine and turn it into a PDF But actually create it from the raw material like in word and later versions of what you can do That then becomes totally word searchable for the search feature then work on every word in that document The third reason is that as you're putting if these are these are doc Microsoft Office 10 their doc ex If someone out of your community has a using office 2000 They're not going to be So we put it out the PDF they can easily download it will be reader Simply then again scroll down through your agenda here There's your consent agenda and again I So if you click on the right or you click on the right over there, then it's going to show up like the one you have This is an automatic paragraph I've got a I've got a question I'm sitting there on Saturday, and I'm going through my all of my documents for the meeting on Monday night And when Monday night comes Are we going to have a screen up here as we go through the agenda to look at the documents or? Really all I maybe want to bring along with me is maybe just the agenda to page through but no documents So how are we going to be able to see the documents during discussion during the council meeting? Excuse me That's where we need to look at phase two of this phase one is let's get it out there to still help the public Look at our agenda help you guys look at it online Phase two will be okay. What type of? Equipment approach do we want to take which is why I didn't go out and get the equipment which we originally spec'd out I figured this was more important to get this down You know what we want to do is run in parallel Probably for a couple months to see how that works, and then okay. Do we want to go with just like a Drop-down screen with a projector on the back of the wall or I thought of you know monitors on each so we can you know run through PC Or maybe even iPads. That's one of the three things. I'm kicking around now Because what I've been pricing out with those three options. It's about half the cost of the original 18,000 that we First you know spec'd out and approved so that's why I didn't want to just go ahead and get that And then if it wouldn't have been the right solution so now we can start to work on phase two So just to follow up on that then as chairman of the Public Works Committee Let's say on the agenda a week from Monday There's five documents where I have to stand up and make a motion on for the time being I may want to print those documents But maybe only print the ones that I have to get up and say something correct And that's what will give you the benefit here as you can you know just print out the ones that you're interested in to Talk about or to bring up. Yes one other Really neat feature on the search which Dennis had showed us earlier is Since this is public information when we do do the search Help me out here Dennis Matt is not available with the public My bad my bad. I'm sorry Sorry about that so okay I Think if you want to go into you know Can we do the print agendas to show them there? It'll give them a different flavor of how you can see a summary type of agenda versus view It's more granular clicking back and forth. There's another feature called You know printing the agenda and it gives you like a couple different views of it, you know We have the simple agenda, which is basically You know your bullet items Within your sub Items as well. So that gives you the high summary level So if we wanted to you know provide an agenda for that You know we could see that through you could just for simple high level the other one is the detail where that gives you pretty much everything And it'll show you where the attachments are the only thing is when you print it it will not print out the attachments But it shows that there are attachments there that you could click on them and then get them as well Correct that way you're not just oops. I printed 40 pages instead of two But what this could give you is a different, you know Summary level to scroll through and read rather than clicking on all the other ones. This is another view you can have so and then the third one is the Agenda item that you were on that's the print You know the item that you were on You can't just print out one item if that's what you your point of view it was four or five items You simply print out those five and not the whole agenda. Go to print. You're simply going to whatever print Your computer has Public works. No, there's not Wi-Fi currently It doesn't mean we can't put it in but that's going to have to be in our whole Strategic plan for it is what do we want wireless? I mean, it's definitely possible to be done. It's just a matter We have to put it in our budget Put it in But if where you're having it if the room has a network connection You can definitely connect to the network and get to the internet that way as well So there's other ways to do that Yes, Steve, I'll turn now and over the sue January 1st Oh There are a lot of discussions that now they're going to have to have like are we going to come up with a naming convention for our Attachments and if we do what are they going to be do are we going to have a certain wording? We're always going to use if you share that with the other various departments within the city All those types of what are we going to do with are we going to do that now can take place because now you've seen the application You've seen it they know it Go ahead sue question or to clarify this is already As far as Everything so I it's a win-win situation This afternoon's training session we've already have a template made for our council meetings and we're already working on in November Counts the first November council meeting where it's built now as a documentation rolls under the documents She just attaches it and we're done In fact one of the items to be laid over for the December council meeting we have that meeting built and it's already in that thing ready to go till We're done, but I think we have to see how much time it takes to actually Everybody does the stuff. I think it probably you will stay close to the same It would make sense because people are still meeting right I mentioned as because we always struggle trying to get committee meetings in right prior to that Wednesday It would be nice to get our packets of Thursday versus Friday Just a reminder to use your mics, please Alderman Carlson as you're building it Are we available to see what's in there already or do you have to push the magical post button as it's completed once To create that and copy it over as a draft meeting as a draft meeting that's for them to develop For them to add all the media Information into the template doesn't have that it's just the categories all the way down Yeah, approval and it's because you're gonna have approval of minutes every meeting But the individual under hearings under all these different things are laid over They're gonna be added as that is a draft when that is done Then who's going to make that an active meeting and that's when you will see She will also at that time may get a current meeting so it appears on that front page Stay out there until the next month or whenever she decides to pull it back And then that meeting will no longer be on the current page the next one will But that one will stay in that 2011 town That's the process of it. She needs to be able to get the meeting created for you before she gives a team Joining McLean do you have something? Well Oh I'm in Hammond. Thank you. I put my microphone closer to him so we can pick it up This is kind of more of an internal baseball, but I noticed you're using this on Fox fire is Internet Explorer obviously it supports but Fox fire it does support it Except for them because when they're hammering away at IE the way IE cash is things Causes IE to slow down. We ran into that today So from our standpoint, you know those that are using IE won't have an issue Those of us using Firefox and something else won't have an issue. No you'll be able to access through iPads all the smart tablets a regular laptop PC Whatever, the only thing we wouldn't recommend is like iPhones or small phones Just because the screen is so small and the amount of memory that they can take but any other type of smart device It'll support all of them and Carlson Even the ones that are internet supported Before we say yes, it will But those are the ones that we've looked at we've tested that will say yes it work Will you let us know when it is supported Our document publishers Any other questions Well in terms of council meetings That's where we have to work on our phase 2 is what do we want to do because if we have you know a huge screen coming down or Whatever everybody can see that there would be no need to bring or provide laptops I mean that's one avenue to go the other avenue would be You know and these are just hypothetical things is having a small footprint monitor at each of your stations where you could view as Person running the meeting or the Program that way everybody's seeing the same thing as well Would be you know either laptops or iPads it's a matter of what's going to work best for us You know as we said, what is our process and how do we want to do it? Dave what would be the most cost-effective having a big screen or having monitors at each desk? Right now pricing it out monitor at each desk would be most cost-effective Because I've been I've been pricing out scenarios and the monitor is like $150 Take that times it's 16 or 18 whatever we need You know it's far cry less than 18,000 what we originally did with the projectors and everything So that's why I didn't jump out and just go ahead and buy the projectors because I was still feeling this out myself when we first started And then iPad is iPad too roughly with no 4g connection. I think just the wireless I priced them out as a base one about what $500 is starting out. I Kind of like the idea of Sue would be streaming the meeting and having my own monitor at the desk Where I think you have a look up all the time I because that's the other thing is everybody out here would see but then we'd have to either still give you guys monitors or have Something back there so you can see it and follow along as well And that's what we have to work through and have either a sub team of somebody or just to look at them Or you know what we want to do. Thank you. Any other questions? Any other comments? Thank you looks exciting this gets us on our first You know our first step of our first phase Let's take about a five-minute break While they're getting down with their equipment, and we'll start it. We'll start again at quarter to seven One more thing on number seven Sue Richards wants me to ask the older persons if there are any older persons that want to opt out of paper documents starting right now I think we had a how many did we have? So you want to raise raise your hands again for Sue Sue Sue how many of you got okay, I didn't count. I'm counting on you 11 opted out You've got okay. Okay. Thank you Next we have council document number eight council document number 1316 Submitting a communication from dimple Adams issuing a formal complaint about former older person Patrick Gillette I'll entertain a motion on the document. You have a motion and a second to file under discussion This Adams you want to step up, please? Good evening everybody for the record. Can you hear me? Okay, first of all, I want to let you know I have a hearing problem and So if you have a question for me Please make sure that you've got your speaker on okay. Could we have your name and address please just for the record me? But and some of you may not want to hear me 1424 Virginia Avenue in Wisconsin and First of all, I'd like to say I've never personally met mr. Gillette. I don't know anything about him except that he is put in this complaint and That he's ran for alderman and that he's been a former alderman and that I have heard him speak at public forum several times in the years past and been here a few times and I The last time that I spoke at public forum was on August 15th and I sat here and Heard mrs. Richards talk about that the press had contacted her at home and Then contacted her on Monday About a complaint From mr. Gillette that he was not allowing that she was he was not being allowed to speak at public forum that night And I almost dropped my teeth Because anyone that has been involved With speaking at public forum as long as we have and I've known many of you for several years And some of you I've not met but we all know the rules and even if we didn't know the rules to doubt our city clerk's office and her employees that if the The Places are filled then they are filled and you do not go to the press and make a complaint about that office And I guess it brought a great disturbance to me that this is the same person That you are giving so much attention to with his complaints and sent to mr. Biscoup About our mayor and that just concerns me So I would also like to send my complaint To attorney Biscoup it and say that I think mr. Gillette needs to be investigated also And that's where the sorts of that letter came from and why I wrote it Anybody have a question I'm sorry. I appreciate that you take you know interest in city business as well as mr. Gillette However, mr. Gillette is not a member of our council nor is he a city employee You know, we really don't have any authority over mr. Gillette's actions He's allowed to to speak his mind at the public forum as he sees fit within you know our standards obviously We really have no Again authority to Investigate him for anything. I realize you both have differences of opinion over city matters Again, I appreciate that you both take interest however We have no recourse or action to take against mr. Gillette I appreciate your your letter as well as mr. Gillette's but at this time I think it's appropriate to file this again, mr. Gillette is not a member of our council currently at this time Nor see a city employee So we have no recourse with his actions. He's a free to do as he sees fit Well, I can understand that Alderman I'm sorry, I know your name as well as I know my own because mr. Van Ackman because I know your father and I knew your grandfather But but I guess my question is and by the way, I wanted to say thank you for Holding this over for an extra week because I was not well the last time that you had the committee of the whole meeting but If a if a citizen can bring a complaint against our mayor and you decide to have the mayor Investigate it as a result of the complaint of this mayor and then the same citizen Then goes to the press with a complaint that you all know is false because you all have to work with the city clerk's office and you all know Beyond reproach that there is no way that Anything unethical would go on with the city clerk's office that you would give then give him the same credibility and Then not only add the one complaint that he had made but let him file two more and I guess that's what disturbs me is That you would not say wait wait a minute Where is this coming from with mr. Gillette if he's so easily complain about our city clerk and her office? And I've been a poll worker since 1994 so I have Known how the city clerk's office works for a long long time And I'm just saying that I don't trust the messenger anymore I might have before that night, but I don't know and that's what I'm saying that I think you all need to consider Would you give us your full name and your address please for the record my name is Patrick Gillette I live at 915 North Avenue city of Sheboygan proceed Thank You mr. Chairman and members of this committee First of all, I want to say it's unconscionable That the mayor had received a copy of this letter a month ago, and it's his counsel has allowed a forum for libel and slander I Hope then miss Adams has consulted legal advice Regarding her exposure to the libel and slander charges before she submitted her complaint to the common counsel and the news media This council committee has no jurisdiction which was indicated or venue regarding the basis for mrs. Adams complaint But since miss Adams has insisted on pursuing her maladvised intentions, I will respond accordingly Miss Adams through a public venue alleges that I lied, and I'm a person of questionable integrity She makes these allegations without any substantiation Miss Adams complaint is not verified nor was it attested to Her misguided complaint is malicious discrediting and without merit For her to refer to another person as one who cries wolf she sets the perfect example She should have gotten her facts straight before she put herself in jeopardy. I commend mrs. Adams's work as a poll worker, but that in no way excuses her for her misleading and false accusations Regarding her misinformation about the public forum on the night of August 15th, 2011 first of all The addition of the five-for-five rule was not made until five years after I had left the council second Those changes were not included in the city web page publication of the city of Sheboygan municipal code to which I subscribed and Third on the night of August 15th. There was a no show at that meeting Scott Lee Wendalski There were only four slots out of five of those forum slots that were filled and although I was there. I was not allowed to speak Miss Adams publicly states that I and I quote knowingly and purposely lied Unquote and further questions my credibility Yet she espouses her incredulous state accusations and emotions in such a manner so as to raise the question of Just whose credibility should be investigated. I Have not been a poll worker But I have been a deputy sheriff a police officer a police chief a bank-appointed chief financial officer a licensed insurance agent and past chairman of the finance Committee of this common council my background has been investigated many times and I have held several bonds and sureties Miss Adams states and I quote when you cannot trust the messenger then the messenger should be checked out unquote Miss Adams's complaint is not trustworthy. Maybe her background and intentions should be checked out I would submit to this council committee that my citizen complaints that have been previously accepted by this council committee We're verified and properly attested to Both of those complaints are prima facie and pose the presumptive burden on the defendant And for miss Adams's record I've only submitted two complaints and not three and I do believe that miss Adams was me a public apology Thank you Thank you, mr. Gillette Any further discussion? We have a motion and a second to file the document All in favor of filing Opposed chair votes I documents file Item number nine on the agenda council document number 1317 submitting a communication from dimple Adams stating her concerns regarding her Right to vote on a major change in our city government I'll entertain a motion on on this document motion a file I'll motion and a second to file under discussion Miss Adams. Did you want to caught? Did you want to comment on your second document? Please step forward 1424, Virginia Avenue, Sheboygan and I've been a homeowner and Been a resident of the city of Sheboygan our Area, I should say since 1976 Even though I lived in the county our township of Wilson for a while Some of you I have known for a long long time and most of you I'm old enough to be your mother But that doesn't have anything to do with anything. I have always been involved in politics I can remember being in the third grade and my first election was the Eisenhower Adlai Stevenson election and my teacher having a big picture of President Eisenhower on the Bolton board Along with a very big picture of Queen Elizabeth being Crowned Queen of England the same year. I was eight years old When I was 19, I had the privilege of being able to shake hands with President Kennedy When he came to the Tennessee Valley Authority for a visit now I'm sure that you're not interested in my family history here But what I am interested in is that I have always voted Voting to me has been the most important privilege. I was Married to a Vietnam veteran for six years. I was a dependent wife in the military My brother went to Vietnam And I've always always thought that we elect our officials now I pay my taxes I pay my Property taxes which goes to the school and to you and to the county and I've also during my working years paid income taxes and I I never ever felt bad about paying taxes And I hear people say we shouldn't be taxed. Well, you know, excuse me I like having good streets to drive on I Like having my garbage picked up. I like having someone taking care of our infrastructure and And I like for someone to have the buck stop with them and that's why I go vote Now you have taken that away With Europe Where you have done with the city administrator? Where does the buck stop? It doesn't stop stop with the mayor who I elected it to stop with It doesn't stop with city administrator It stops with three councilmen unless I have been understood how this works. Have I misunderstood that? Chief administrative officer Reports to the council president The council president vice president and committee of the whole chairman will be reviewing the chief administrative officer at their appropriate time But the chief administrative officer right now reports to the president of the council Okay, so I'm not wrong in my assumption then that it stops with three councilmen. Am I correct with that? Thank you the reviewing process for the city chief administrative officer is done by the president of the council committee of the whole chair and the vice president of the council which is three the Please the President of the council is who ultimately the chief administrative officer reports to so that's one person Very similar to in the past. It was the mayor now. It's the common council president both elected officials Okay, and I'm so at the first council meeting of the year They also elect the vice president and the committee of the whole chairman runs for that office And is elected by his peers all his or her peers also Right, so we are a representative government. We all have an opportunity to elect two of you Out of our district now. Am I correct on that? So each of you represent a section of the city and I'm just saying that the buck should not stop with this council I'm not you know, it doesn't matter what your preferences are as far as Whose boss or not if the city administrator is going to be the boss then let him be the boss But then let us elect them There's something wrong with this picture and that's not what America is all about we elect our leaders We go to the polls if I'm not going to be able to elect the leaders of my city Then why should I go vote? That's what I vote for I Don't understand this process and I felt this way when mayor Perez was president, too This is not something new that I have felt This is the way I have felt my entire Adult life as I have been a voter is that you vote for the people where the buck stops My parents used to talk about president Truman a lot So I got used to that phrase from a child on and the buck stopped with my parents The buck stopped with my teachers and the buck stopped with me with my kids I do not elect anybody Because of their moral standings That's not why we elect leaders we elect leaders to lead and you know You guys have done a lot of good in the last three years a lot has happened. There's a whole list of things You know the the Taylor Heights thing is moving along We're getting some good things going on in the city and I think that perhaps This is just my humble opinion That some of us have a personal feelings into fear and we've made a hasty decision and I'm not happy about it Thank You miss Adams, please come back and see us and stay involved in city government. I certainly will you can count on that All in favor of filing I opposed chair votes I The next thing on the agenda and there's a correction here the next meeting date will be Wednesday November 2nd, however, it will be at 6 30 following the City County Shared Services Committee. I Just want to mention about the City County Shared Services Committee one of the topics on that agenda is going to be combining 9-11 dispatch with the county and if any of you are interested in that it should be a very interesting discussion and Hopefully we'll be Maybe possibly be even able to set up set a timetable for Implementation, but I think it'll be an interesting meeting if any of you have a chance to attend and I believe that's at five o'clock Five o'clock on November 2nd, so we'll be starting at 6 30 that meeting will be in closed session and that will be with Special prosecutor Stephen Biskupik and attorney Joseph Volcker that will be the only thing on the agenda If any of you are not going to be able to make that meeting as usual just you know, call me ahead of time And that's all we have for tonight. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn Have a motion and a second to adjourn we are adjourned. Thank you