 Live from Los Angeles, it's theCUBE, covering Open Source Summit North America 2017, brought to you by the Linux Foundation and RedHash. Hello everyone, welcome to special theCUBE coverage here in Los Angeles, California for the Linux Foundation's Open Source Summit in North America. I'm John Furrier, co-host of theCUBE. This week I'll be co-host with Jeff Frick and Stu Miniman who will be here shortly without getting data from the keynotes and scouring the community for information. Two days of coverage of line up here, Open Source is changing the world. More than ever, Open Source is continuing to accelerate over 23 million developers now actively programming on Open Source where the world economy is now based on Open Source, relies on Open Source and where Open Source and code is changing culture. Jeff had a great keynote from the Linux Foundation Open Source community and really this is an accumulation of many, many years of coverage for us in the developer community, kind of sitting above all the different communities like Stack Overflow, all the different source foundational communities, OpenStack Summit, Kubernetes, KubeCon, now CNCF, variety of other shows, industry shows and this is now we're seeing where Open Source is becoming so mainstream on a global scale, we're seeing something unprecedented in the history of the computer industry and that is the role of Open Source in society and I think the number one message we're seeing is that the Linux software has been around for 25 plus years, the service was on stage today kind of like reminiscing, he's been time man of the years, won the Nobel Prize in Computer Science, the millennial award, I think it's called essentially the top award, 17th most important person in this decade, Linux is now main force, people are relying on Open Source and then no further than the Equifax hack that has changed 150 plus million people in terms of their potentially identity fraud out there. What's from Open Source software? So you're starting to see the reliance of Open Source where a sustainable ecosystem is continuing to grow but security is a concern and which projects to join is so much action, I called it Open Bar and Open Source is so much goodness flowing in from Google, IBM, you name the companies out there, they're really contributing, people are being paid to learn and write code at this point in history, this is a historic moment for the Open Source community as society starts to be molded by the shape of code in the keynote they call it a duocracy for doers and builders who are changing democracy on a global scale, this is the big theme and obviously it's a slew of announcements on a project-based certification for Kubernetes, new people joining the CNCF and a variety of different projects but certainly from our standpoint to CUBE we are covering a lot of the game in this past eight years and certainly cloud and big data and the software ecosystem, software defined data center to software eating the world, data science eating the world. This is only going to continue with things like blockchain, virtual reality and as fake news and bot networks in the cloud continuing chains and notion of what the source is not just source code, source of information, more than ever the role of communities will play a front and center role in all of this. Yeah, I think that's as big of a deal as the software piece, John, is the role of communities that Open Source creates and it's a different way of thinking about things, it's a different way of trying to get more innovation, it's acknowledging that the smartest people aren't necessarily in your four walls so it's really an attitude but I want to get your take because there's a couple models of stewardship in the Open Source world. We're here at Open Source Summit in LA Linux Foundation event. Linux Foundation is taking on more and more of the stewardship of many of these projects kind of bringing it under one roof. We see another model where the stewardship is kind of driven by one particular company, right? That's trying to build a commercial business around an Open Source stack but there's a couple companies that become almost the de facto steward for a new and evolving Open Source space. How do you see the pros and the cons against those two models? You know it's great if you got a great steward, it's maybe not so great if the steward is not so terrific and you get a conflict between the steward of the technology and the actual Open Source project. Well Jeff, this is the fundamental question on everyone's mind here as we continue to see the communities grow and also the scale out of communities as well as the number of overall lines of code. So a couple of key things. One is we call it the ruling class, that's the elephant in the room here at the show is we see it in politics, identity politics shaping our national level and certainly on a global scale, China blocking all blockchain ICOs and all virtual currencies as of today. You're starting to see the intersection of geopolitics with code where the notion of a democracy or democratization or duocracy as one of the speakers has calls it. You can think of code, lines of code as a vote. You write a line of code, let's say vote into an ecosystem and we're starting to see these notion of distributed labor, distributed control, changing the face of capitalism is really happening and the value that corporations are creating in this new model is a real dynamic and really what's happening is the change from a ruling class even in the software world the success of open source has always been based upon self-governance self-governance implies a group collective that manages and approves things that group collective some would argue has not been inclusive over the years certainly the role of women in tech has been an issue and so what you have developing is the potential for a ruling class of what shapes the future culture certainly there's a no brain with women in tech that you should be more women in tech because half the people in the world are women they're users of software software is going to be relied on by all aspects of our world from not just in earth but also in space. So the notion of ruling class is changing and the inclusion is a huge deal onboarding new people building on individual successes and building it together as a group relies on inclusion of people and requires inclusion of how the self-governance goes forward and again this is a major concept in this world as it evolves because like I said open source is relied on people are leaning on it at a tier one level software that's powering the telescope in the North Pole and the Antarctic to space stations all use Linux and this is again what we're seeing and the getting technology in the hands so people can use code to shape culture that is ultimately a big thing we're at a tipping point right now we're at an inflection point whatever you want to call it open source is continuing to grow and that culture shaping notion of code equals culture is really what it's all about and the role of community is more important than ever and inclusion is the number one factor in my opinion. The other interesting thing to take John is Android so Linux have been around for a long time everybody knows about Linux and there was lots of flavors and it all kind of aggregated Android is really growing as a significant factor I think it was announced here that Samsung has now joined the project and there's a really interesting little gizmo now that you can take your Samsung phone sticking in a docking station and have it power a big giant screen and a keyboard and so as Android has developed as the power in the handheld devices gets closer and closer if not surpassing what we have in these things it's another big kind of shot in the arm towards the open source ecosystem that really wasn't as significant as it is today. Well I mean the Android operating system is again it's just an operating system in the minds of the tech world obviously consumers use the device huge market share iOS, Android and even other operators who knows maybe it'll be the year of Linux on the phone at some point but you're starting to see software powering devices and this is the internet of things phenomenon this is where you start to see trends that build out of that notion like blockchain, like AI are going to start impacting lives and that's one of the things that Linux Turnival was saying on stage is the most rewarding thing in his career with all the accolades aside the fact that he's had an impact on people's lives has been the number one thing that motivates him that's what motivates most people so I would say that the Android significance is one of pure numbers more market share more penetration for the user experience and the user experience is a cultural issue back to culture equals code and inclusively powering everyone to get involved and be part of it either as a user or a participant in the community or a coder really is about deciding the future and if people do not get involved and are not included then the ruling class will decide what's best for the culture and that is not the theme here today the theme here in open source for the next level is letting the code and the technologists in an open collaborative self governing way via communities be inclusive and shape the culture letting the code shape the culture and Android again is another straw on the camel's back that allows for more penetration more influence more relevance and continued relevance of technology providers, coders, communities and certainly individuals again collective intelligence is a group phenomenon that is a community powered theme that is what's going on here and again this is to me is very radical disruption to the global society get your take John because then you get kind of forking things kind of move and grove is kind of like a river finds another path right and you get you had the kind of container and Docker really drove a lot of activation on the container side Google comes out strong with Kubernetes another open source project and then we just heard at VM world a week ago Pivotal get on stage with Michael Dell and Pat Gelsinger talking about kind of a new derivation that they're kicking out that's not Kubernetes I forget what it's called the different, different cube something PKS Pivotal container service continues to evolve and kind of fork so what's your take on kind of how these things continue to morph? Well that's a good point I mean you're talking about vendors and industry industry is the term that they use here it's kind of a polite term for saying companies with a role for capitalism and capitalism is one of the factors involved in what's going on here corporate value as a as capital is not a bad thing but capitalism driving the culture is not what it wants distributed labor distributed control changing the face of capitalism is about the role of open source so there's a role for industry and corporations the issue is is that as con vendors in the old model which has put stuff out there control the standards bodies and influence the industry through their proprietary mechanisms that's changed they don't have the proprietary nature but they can try to use their muscle and money that's not happening anymore and I think forking as you mentioned the ability to take a piece of code and build on it whether it's a framework or a library is out there and writing custom code is what Jim Zemmler was talking about is the code sandwich 90% of the software out there is open source and only 10% is highly differentiated that is the programming model so to me I think forking is a wonderful democracy dynamic in open source if you don't like it you can fork it and if it doesn't make it then it's the democracy voted with their code so this is a term you call voting with your code we use a term in marketing called people vote with their wallet vote with their feet in communities in open source they vote with their code so to me forking is a good thing that provides great opportunity for innovation the issue of vendors pushing stuff out there is what I call the calling the bullshit factor communities that are vibrant insustainable they can call bullshit on this right away so companies can't operate on the old model they have to ingratiate in they have to make real contribution and they have to be community citizens otherwise you're going to get called out for pushing their vendor where and that is interesting and I think I'm not saying they are doing that but Pivotal is a great example Pivotal put out a pretty good service makes Kubernetes manageable Google Cloud Engine is tied directly to it so any updates coming from the Google Cloud Engine gets updated into Pivotal that's the value to users if it sucks and doesn't work well the people won't use it so voting with your code voting with your feet is what people will do so there's now a new level of triangulation or a heat shield if you will from vendor dominance throwing their muscle around and even Microsoft is here with Linux, it's a huge testament to the success of Linux and that's really what it's all about Yeah, Microsoft's here, Intel's here a lot of big companies are here and in the early days people had issues with those big companies coming in but clearly they're a huge part of the ecosystem they write big checks they help fund nice events like this so last question for you John before we get into it two days of wall-to-wall coverage what are you looking for? What are some of the questions that you've got on top of your mind that we hope to get some answers over the next couple of weeks or a couple of days, excuse me Well I saw a great quote up on stage it was called, may the source be with you and it was kind of a Star Wars reference may the source code be with you, if you will I'm looking for things that change people's lives because the theme in open source now is the reliance of code in all aspects of global life here on earth and in space now as we see it that the quality of life for society depends on open source and again, 90% of most great software is written in open source 10% is differentiated and unique that's the model they call the code sandwich it's easier to code, it's easier to get involved it's more communities that are robust and vibrant if it impacts the quality of life so that's one thing the second thing I'm looking for is really looking at some of these new future trends that I've been really thinking a lot about lately as you know in theCUBE is the role of blockchain some of these really disruptive technologies we start to see the power of the user and communities where there's technology that's empowering the individual at the same time creating a group dynamic where people on the groups can build so individual success can be part of something that contributes to a group that can build on top of it that's an open source flywheel that works great I'm looking for blockchain looking for those new technologies that are going to be in that thing and of course the outcome is does it impact lives? Does it make the quality of life better? All right, well you heard it there we'll be here for two days of wall to wall coverage we're at the open source summit in North America in the LA it's pretty funny right next to Staples Center John, I don't think we've ever been right downtown LA you're watching theCUBE we'll be back with our next guest after this short break thanks for watching