 Hi, welcome to the Wikibon Studios in Marlboro, Massachusetts, I'm Stu Miniman with Wikibon and pleased to introduce someone actually that doesn't need an introduction to the Wikibon community. Brian Graceley, Brian, thanks for joining me for this segment and you were on the first CUBE segment. We were talking about it in 2010, back the first year we were doing theCUBE, the first day we were doing CUBE, you were there, you were right at the intersection of we were talking about infrastructure, converged infrastructure and still early days of cloud. Tell me, what brings you to the Wikibon office today? It's great to be here in the massive Wikibon studios. I joke around sometimes the massive cloud casters. I'm here because I want to come help you guys do a content series, I'm going to be a contributor to the Wikibon community, to the Wikibon research and so I'm going to do research, I'm going to do blogging and posts, hopefully I'm going to get a chance to do some stuff with the CUBE at VMworld at AWS re-invent and maybe some other events in between. Yeah, so Brian, we've talked a number of times through interviews and you and I have talked, we were avid readers of your content, listening to your blog, the cloudcast, I'm sorry, your podcast, the cloudcast. First question I got, Brian, is everybody saying, so Brian's going to be doing some stuff with you, is the podcast going to stay? Yeah, absolutely, the podcast has always been a community thing, so just like Wikibon's been a community thing, it's always been a community thing, it's a great chance for us to go meet some new people but at the end of the day, everybody else gets it, it's a great chance for, the feedback we always get is, lots of community, they're learning new things, so yeah, it's just another vehicle to be learning things and then I'll take that knowledge and bring it to the Wikibon community. Yeah, why don't you walk us through a little bit, what's your take on kind of the IT industry, what's that meant for you personally and from a development standpoint, what you focus on? Yeah, so right now is a crazy time, so people call it different things, they call it cloud native and they call it third platform and all this stuff. For me personally, I've been doing this roughly 20 years, give or take, I feel like we're at the end of what was a 20 year-ish run we're at the beginning of what's going to be a new run, mobile's now the default device, public cloud is becoming more and more prevalent for the applications that we love as opposed to maybe the applications we deal with and then open source is becoming more and more the community driven way of driving software, so when you have these three major shifts going on and then you've got what the industry is during driving revenue, existing applications, driving new businesses, it's a fantastic time to help people sort of unbox it, figure out what's the strategy, who's going to win, who's going to lose and so for me it's a really fun time because I like digging into what's happening, I like to write, I like to interview people and talk about what's new and stuff, so it's really fun. Yeah, absolutely, I mean Wikibon was founded on allowing IT practitioners to share with their peers, the team here, we dig in deep with the community and really from a research standpoint there's three major focus areas we have and we think we do best when we cross those boundaries so it's cloud, it's big data and it's infrastructure, you and I both have an infrastructure background but what's that rough out a little bit of the stack for us if you will and the interesting pieces to you and I know we're going to do a lot of follow on videos to dig deeper into some of the areas. Yeah, so the stuff I'm really excited about we're going to do this whole media series on or content series, we're going to talk about hybrid cloud so really how much of the future is going to be public, how much of it's going to be private, where's that intersection going to be, we're going to talk about. Brian, Brian real quick on this, so hybrid cloud, I mean is it just a marketing term, do hybrid clouds exist today or are there just a million clouds, cloud like things out there that are basically virtualization plus? I think the reality is a little bit more of a ladder than the former, which I wish it wasn't, I think what people want is they want hybrid, they want the best of both worlds, getting theirs tough. So that'll be one of the core areas we'll focus on, we're going to focus on the whole container revolution is really is a revolution, what's going on? Docker, docker, docker, docker, docker. Yeah, yeah, you were at DockerCon, actually got to sit on a couple interviews, you and I interviewed Adrian Cockroft a lot in that space, I mean ecosystems, I mean, Brian, is the VMware ecosystem is trouble, is the Docker ecosystem, the new VMware ecosystem, is AWS just going to crush everyone? I mean, those areas we're going to dig into deep. Yeah, those are going to be fun. So we'll dig into those and then the last one is going to be around platforms or some folks want to call them paths, sometimes paths is a bad word, but these new application platforms for the future and whether those are running in a private cloud, whether they're running on containers, whether they're running in a go language or something else, like we're going to dig into all those things and what people should look at for how to evaluate them, should they run them themselves, should they get somebody else to help them run them? What are the ways to really kind of help them get from A to B? Because people, you know, the CIOs I talked to, the practitioners I talked to, they all realize those new applications are changing the business, they're no longer cost savers, they're business changers and so they want to know, like how do I get there and how do I get there faster and what's the right decision? Yeah, it's interesting, I was having a chat with one of the, you know, a leading infrastructure player and they made a comment that over half of the buyers that they're dealing with now are the application owners. Because it's those new application owners that are driving that development and I always said, the reason we have infrastructure is to deliver that application. So it's, how do I run that business? How do I move forward with it? You know, one of the main reasons containers is really exciting, is to help us move to those new applications and of course that's the whole purpose of those platforms. Right, right. And you know, it sounds cliche but like literally everything's changing. Where software's developed is in communities more. So the role of an SI is changing, right? The role of a vendor is evolving and they're trying to figure that out and then as an end user you're going, I want outcomes, so who do I deal with? And so it's crazy and confusing but it's a really fun time to be in the industry right now. If you're eager to learn, you're willing to open your mind a little bit and look at new things and hopefully we're going to explore a lot of that. Yeah, and it's interesting because open source plays a big part of it. You mentioned that before but even for us, the Wikibon community, we want to give the practitioners the tools they need to help make these decisions. They obviously need to be funding to create a business for what we're doing with Wikibon. We've got sponsorships for theCUBE and there's certain deep research that we're putting behind the firewall. Most of the content I think you're going to be creating is going to be out there for the public to see and help explain some of the deep pieces. So what do you see as kind of the, there's the freemium models out there. There's the, create a foundation, something we're going to dig into deeper. But where are we, does open source just everywhere in the default today or? I think it's becoming, it's definitely not the default revenue model. So there's a big gap between the lines of code and the dollars that are coming in. It's becoming the default sort of innovation model and then people are trying to get creative as to how do you monetize that. It's great opportunity for little companies that are wanting to get started. So like Docker or like a lot of other companies and it's a huge disruption for big companies that can't figure out, they're either not software companies or that's not their business model. So it's a really interesting time. I'll tell you the other thing that's really interesting I've seen lately at a few shows, a lot of end user companies. So companies like Target and companies like the banks and retail, banking, insurance, they're showing up to recruit as heavily as anybody else. Because they realize I've got to get those people in house and so they're trying to own those communities, they're trying to own that culture, they're trying to bring it in house. So it really is changing the whole supply chain which is interesting and fun. Yeah, really a big shake up going up in the ecosystems. How much are some of those big companies going to build their own stacks? How much will there be the platforms or the solutions that can put together to make things better for them? So I mean, a lot of change, a lot of churn going on in that environment. And we all tend to geek out on it and then we sort of have to realize sometimes like people don't care, they just want to get a job done. They want to go run a business and somewhere in that intersection is what wins and what loses and what people have to make decisions on. All right, so we want to keep this one short, Brian. We're going to have a lot more content coming out from you. People go to wikibon.com to be able to see all the research that we're doing. Videos will be funneling through those places. You're going to be at VMworld here at the end of the month. We're going to do some videos talking about that. Definitely AWS, probably some other shows. Go to siliconangle.tv. You can catch where the events are going to be. Of course, Brian's be gracing on Twitter. And really looking forward to working with you, engaging the community here. And thanks for joining us, Brian. Thanks, it's always been fun working with you guys and now I get to do it more often. So that'll be fun. Excellent. All right, so thanks for watching. Lots more coming from wikibon. Brian is part of this cloud contributions whole series we'll be doing to check out all the websites and always hit us up on Twitter leave us feedback with any questions you have. Thanks for watching.