 Yeah. Yeah. Why don't we pray and then we'll start, right? Okay. Father God, we thank you for this day. Lord, we thank you that you are in each day. This is the day that you have made, you have created, and we choose to be glad in it, Lord. Father, we thank you that we have you, Lord, with us each and every moment of every day, God. Lord, just encouraging us. Lord, spurring us on. And Lord, we thank you that you are a paraclete, God, the comfort that you bring when you come alongside an amazing God. And Master, we thank you. What an awesome privilege that you consider us to be co-heirs and with Christ and co-labourers with you, Lord. And thank you for this great mission that each one of us is part of. And Lord, we just want to give you praise, Father God. We consider it a privilege. And yes, Lord, wherever you have placed us, Father God, that we will continue to do the work that you have committed, Lord, to our hands, God, that we will do it faithfully, diligently. And in doing so, God, that we will be influencers, that we will be solid and light. Lord, wherever you have placed us, God, we just want to thank you. And this time, we just want to give you praise. Yes, Lord, we worship you. We thank you. We thank you, Lord. We come at this time into your mighty hands. We pray that you would continue to speak to us, Lord, and even as we learn these things, God, we pray that we will put into practice. And yes, Lord, and experience the power of what your word stands for and what your word is, God. We thank you. We give you all the praise and we give you all the glory. In Jesus' matchless name, we pray. Amen. Okay. So last class, we were looking at sermon outline and we looked at the sermon topic. We looked at the sermon title and the session before that, we looked at the kinds of sermons. We looked at three kinds of sermons, the types of sermons that we can adopt, we can use for ministry. And depending upon the audience, depending upon the occasion, you can choose any one of those and minister effectively. So last class, we looked at the title. We looked at when putting together a sermon and how title is important. And especially in today's day and time when we have social media and the prevalence of the kind of reach the message has. So it's good to have a good title. It's good to have a good visual to go along with the title. Of course, these are secondary things. Of course, the main thing is the message itself, the content itself, right? Because we can have a great title, great visual, but if the message falls short or if it's not really conveying what it's meant to convey, then it's of no use. So it's great to focus on the content, of course, but these would really help us. So we looked at the introduction and we looked at the pre-introduction and we looked at several ways you can start a message. You can introduce, because the introduction actually sets the tone for that message. It really brings the audience, brings the congregation to a focus on the message and it helps create an environment. So it's good to have a good start and it answers, you know, when we looked at the several things with regard to introduction. One of the things we saw was that it answers every listener's unspoken question. Why should I listen to this message? Why should I listen to him or her? So the introduction actually captures that and allows us curiosity and builds an interest in the audience about the message. So we also looked at the proposition. We looked at two things. One is the subject and the compliment of the proposition. What am I talking about and what am I saying about what I'm talking about? And then going into, you know, the main outline and the transition, you know, you have an interrogative sentence and this transitional sentence to transition from the proposition onto the outline of the sermon. So today let's look at the sermon and how we proceed from there. So this is the main or the central thing of the sermon, part of the sermon. So from the big idea, from the big theme, you know, the proposition, now we build on that. And maybe we have about five things to say or six different things to say, all building up to a conclusion. And so these are the main points that you would want to say. So this outline that we put together, which has the main points and the sub points brings the focus to the passage, brings the focus to the big idea. So having this, you know, of course, I'm sure you would have heard several preachers just flowing, just going with the flow. Maybe there are no, you know, points that are shared or reiterated. And maybe, you know, even in the conclusion, there is no like, okay, here are these five points that we looked at, you know, a summary. Maybe, you know, there are people who share like that, who speak like that. And of course, the Holy Spirit ministers quite powerfully in those circumstances also. But the reason why, you know, we can, and the advantages of having a structured outline is that it is one, it helps in communicating effectively. Like whatever we put together, it helps in communicating effectively. And secondly, it also helps to assimilate what you're communicating. You know, if you're, you know, for most people, right, this helps, because if you're sharing and you make it easy, if you make it, you know, in simple words and you're dividing those three things that you're communicating, and it helps me to receive it better. You know, I'm able to easily receive it. I'm able to, you know, retain that message, right? So it helps. So that's the, you know, that's the only reason why we have it, give it a different structure. And we can also, you know, I'm sure you've heard sermons where the message is, the entire message is an acronym, right? I remember at my wedding, you know, weddings are very difficult to, I mean, not very difficult. Challenging, rather, to preach, because people will be distracted. The bride and groom are distracted in the sense, you know, they're just thinking about so many things. People who are organizing the weddings are thinking about so many things. So, you know, it becomes a challenge to share at a wedding, right? So it helps to keep it, it helps to, you know, so I remember the, I shared it in a simple manner. So I remember the, you know, the Message Act at my wedding, where the pastor, the one who actually shared the joke that I shared last class, you know, the same pastor, he shared the message. And so it was actually four C's, okay, four C's. So I remember it was a communication, compassion, communication, concern, I think. What is the fourth one now? Four pillars, he said. Compassion, communication, concern, and there was one more. Oh, this is not good. I think the fourth C, fourth C, exactly, Sam, were you there at my wedding? Commitment, absolutely, without commitment, whereas the marriage was the wedding. So commitment, compassion, concern, and communication. So four C's, thank you, Sam, at my wedding. So things like this, I recently, I think it was on Saturday, shared a message on worship and, you know, just got game with this acronym, which is ACTS. Let me just type it there, ACTS. So this was, since it was online, again, just felt that it would be simpler. So ACTS was to acknowledge, it was about worship, but also the fact that worship is not just music, worship is not just singing. So acknowledge, agree. Okay, so that was A, and also one more, yeah, add over. So to talk about the fact that you acknowledge God, you know, you recognize who God is. Sam 95 talks about that, right, where the psalmist says, I will come and I will bow down. And for he is our God, he says, you know, he is our God, he recognizes and acknowledges. So acknowledge, and then C was confess. So he said, you know, you sing it, you say it, sing it, shout it. Okay, so you confess, either in the song or with words, you know, you confess AC. And then T, of course, was thanksgiving. And this was surrender, you know, surrender or Sela, stop and reflect. So yeah, so this is just a four point thing. So something similar, you know, something like this would be the points in the outline, you know, in the message where each point is distinguished. Or different from the other. There could be some commonalities, but then it's, it's different. And it flows into the other. And you're building up, it has some continuity in building up to the close, right. So it's all about worship. So how to engage in worship in a meaningful way. So the audience was, it was a school audience. So it was teachers, the staff and also the principal and the parents, parents and I think very few students. So parents also, and it was from people from different background, right. Different worldviews. So just wanted to, you know, share this. So yeah, so the thing is this. So within these, you could have, within the main point, you could have several sub points if you want to, right. If you want to elaborate on it, you know, let's say A was acknowledged, but acknowledged and agree. And within that, if you want to have several sub points, you know, how do I go about acknowledging? How do I go about agreeing? You could have maybe, you know, one A, one B, one C, right. Three or more sub points. So you could go ahead and do that. But always ensuring that, I mean, this helps, always ensuring that the sub points contribute to the main point, right. It's not going off on a tangent, but it's contributing to the main point, okay. Elaborating the main point. So it helps to communicate it well. It forms a skeleton for the message. The thing is to have it, have the outline like a journey. You start with the introduction. You journey on, you know, it's a journey of building up. You're going further into the message. You're going deeper into the message, right. So think of a journey, you know, even worship. It's good to think of it as a journey from the outer codes to the holy of holies, right. So, yeah, so similarly, it's a journey that you're moving on, right. You're building on the previous point and you're journey into the message, right. Okay, so the thing, the next thing is have some illustrations, right. Okay, if you're, okay, somebody asks a question. Yes, Charles, please go ahead. Thank you so much, Pastor. I'm looking at this note where says never arrange an outline and then endeavor to make the passage fit the outline. Would you shed more light, Pastor? Yeah, so the thing is, you know, yeah, sure. So if you have a, you know, if you have a passage, it's like, you know, like, especially in hermeneutics, like you have the, you have the verse and you have some other meaning in mind and you're trying to fit that verse into that meaning or you, you know, you already decided, okay, this is what I'm going to say about this particular, and then you, you know, about this particular scripture, which may not be true, which may not be correct. But if you fit the, you know, scripture in, like what we studied earlier in hermeneutics. So similarly, if you, the thing is that if we try to fit in that passage, especially if you're doing, let's say, a textual study and it's a study about, let's say you're doing a study on Psalm 23 and well, if the theme is, you know, it's about, it's about the shape. But and how it leads and so on. But if you have a point, let's say, for example, you know, what could we have, Psalm 23, the Lord is my shepherd, I should not want, he leads me and I'm just thinking, you know, something which is not really flowing with the passage. Okay. And let me, let me just take a look at Psalm 23 and see, you know, if there's anything that we can put in there, which is outside of it, and try to fit in there. You know, preparing a table, surely goodness and mercy. I don't know, you know, we have the six verses, but if we try to fit in something maybe like warfare, maybe, I don't know, even warfare actually, you know, talks about enemies and so on. So if you, you know, think of some point which is not flowing with the passage. Right. So that is what it is. I'm sorry, I'm not able to really think of anything that might be totally out of this. So, and yet, you know, it's not too far away, I'm just trying to think of something. So it's just that, right, so where we try to fit in the outline into the passage, you know, you thought maybe, hey, this is a good idea, and then you try to fit in here. Then it seems contrived. It seems very, you know, very manipulated or artificial and doesn't go. So that's the, that's the whole thing, right? Especially when it comes to a textual song. Does that help Charles? Yes, it does. Thank you. Okay. Okay, so let's look at illustrations. You know, what does it mean to illustrate anyone? Can you say illustrate? What does it mean? Lusterate something in common language. And though I say, if we send, yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah, I guess you could use that something like that. Someone asked a question, someone put their hand up. Say you have a question. No question. No? Okay. I thought somebody put their hand up. Put their hand up. Okay. Right. Okay. So what does it mean to, okay, was it Isaac? Okay. Go ahead, Isaac. No, no, it's a, it's a mistake, sir. Oh, I see. Okay. No worries. Okay. So, so, yeah. So to illustrate in common language, it just means to draw. It is something like clarifying by using an example. I'm sorry. It isn't very clear, Charles. Yeah. So in, in simple language. May I say, sir? Yeah, sure. Go ahead, Anita. Illustration should be something where the example has been demonstrated so that we can understand better. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just asking, you know, like, what does the word illustrate mean actually in simple language? Like, San has mentioned, yes, to illustrate means to draw. Okay. To illustrate actually means to draw something. And what we are actually doing is when we are sharing these main points or the sub points to, to draw something to make it clearer, okay, to present a picture in order to make those points clearer, to help the audience understand it better. You know, for example, when you say faith without works is dead and you make that statement and when you go on to illustrate it by saying, okay, you know, you have faith in God, but, you know, do you step out and show it through your works, through your action? Because without that action, your faith is dead. As the spirit without the body is dead. In fact, that itself is an illustration. If you look at that word, that was in James. You know, James, when he's saying, as the spirit without the body is dead, so faith without works is dead also. So he's actually drawing a parallel between, you know, the spirit leaving the body and, you know, a human being is dead. So, so that itself is an illustration. That itself is a picture. But if you want to go on to explain it further, we draw a picture. We give an example. Maybe, you know, maybe it can be from the scripture itself. It can be a story. It can be an incident. It can be a personal experience. Something that makes it come alive. That explains the truth. So that it stays. So yeah, in the notes, I'm on page 32. I'm in page 32. So it's a means of throwing light, illuminate something by using an example. So it really helps things come alive. But we need to know where, when and how to use that. So it really helps. It's a very, very useful tool. But we need to be careful about using it again, you know, just like humor in the, as an introduction. So you just need to be careful where you're using it. So it, it helps to, you know, when we use it to explain, to clarify, to, to really impress the truth in our hearts. Right. So, so the thing is, I remember this particular illustration. It wasn't actually, it was an activity. Right. So this was at, again, at a youth camp where this pastor who, you know, who shared at our wedding and who shared that joke in the introduction. In fact, I went back and told him like, I don't remember only that joke about the message. I don't remember the message at all later, you know, after many years. So, so he actually had an activity to illustrate something. Right. So the activity was very simple. You know, how do you choose your team? Right. And why do you choose the people? So, so he was talking about people, if, you know, if you need to do some physical work, if you don't, there's a physical challenge, you know, you need to remove a stone or carry something. Who would you choose? You know, choose the strongest, the tallest, the biggest. And, and then, you know, he was talking about, if you want to share your burdens or you share your deepest hurts or problems, who would you choose? Would you choose the same person? Then you found out that the team, you know, had completely changed. Right. People did not choose the same person. I think it was, it was completely no one ever chose the person they chose earlier. Someone else. Because someone else, someone who would listen, someone who would understand and so on. So, so he was, he was talking about how, you know, we, we, how we, when we, when it, when it, when we want to confide in someone, when we want to share with someone, you know, we choose people who would listen, who would understand. So he did it. He shared this example. It was like an activity and it stayed with us. And the truth was to be that kind of person. He was, he was just stating that to be that kind of person for others and also to, to look out for that kind of a person in order to, you know, confide in, you know, someone mature, understanding, caring, someone who would, you know, keep things private and so on. So just to share that point, right? So it helps us. It retains, it stays with me even after all these years. I don't know how many years it was. Probably sometime in 90, sometime in the 90s, you know, so it's stayed with me all these years. And yeah, so that's what the good illustration does and a good activity. Okay. So it helps our memory. It helps stir emotion and hold attention. So that also, you know, it, it's so, you know, it, it's so, so that also, you know, it, it stirs up our emotion. We are emotional beings and we relate to things emotionally. And, and this particular, I just want to share this, this particular preacher, he shared his life experience in order to share about how good God is and how faithful God is and also the important lesson was to be faithful, to stay faithful and to believe God, to stay faithful, to believe God, to take God at His word. Okay. So this was the thing, you know, he, this particular preacher, he came from a non-Christian background and he shared that the day he accepted the Lord, this was in Germany, his whole family, you know, yeah, he was in Germany. Sorry, he was in Germany. The day he accepted the Lord, his wife, he came to know later that his wife became mentally disturbed, you know, not because there's two, there's two, you know, not connected things. He just came to know that he accepted the Lord and in the evening or the next day, he's talking to the family over a phone call. He finds that he's depressed and has mental illness or some symptoms, is not responding to people and in their own world kind of thing. So then he takes a vac, you know, the next trip and then they have a child and so they all, you know, he needs to work in Germany for some time. So he's from India, goes to Germany. It's only him, his wife and his son. Son is an infant. The wife has the same condition. So he would just, you know, he said he would just dedicate or, you know, commit his wife and the little one to the Lord before leaving home and say, Lord, you take care. Trust in you because she was mentally unstable at that point. So he would come back from work and the son would be rolling somewhere on the carpet, somewhere on the floor, crying. The wife will be sitting, you know, staring into a vacant space. Sometimes just lifting her hands like that and not responding to him and, you know, he would wash the baby, wash the child, feed the baby because he wouldn't know whether the baby has been fed during the day. So went through some difficult times. So he said that he was in a time of, you know, great need at that time. He needed to hear from God and God spoke to him through a verse and that verse was so reassuring and that verse and that verse talks about, you know, after you've suffered a while, I will establish and strengthen and settle you, right? So he just held on to that verse, held on to that truth. And he said he never complained to God again. He never went back to God and said, God, why? Why is this? Because God had already spoken. He said he will rectify the situation. So he just completely believed God and held on to that truth and stayed with it. And then he asked, you know, and he tells that, you know, I'm sure you must be thinking, you know, after a while, how long that after a while was. So then he goes on to say it was 11 years. So 11 years he says he never once complained to God. He never went back and questioned God because God had already spoken and God had already given the answer. Right? And so he was so reassured. Every time we felt the temptation to question or, you know, even the thought crossed his mind. He would be reminded of this promise and he would say, God, you've already spoken. You've already promised. So I will stay. So it was something from his life. And now, you know, when I heard it for the first time, I was completely, you know, completely, what's the word? It's completely wasted. You know, if you want to use that word completely, you know, I was just in tears, completely broken because I had complained, you know, time and again to God over trivial things. What is the, why is the weather like this? Oh, this food is not tasty. I had complained to God several, several things. When I heard this, I was so inspired and at the same time so broken that here's a man who has gone through so much and complained in 11 years. Right? Because God had spoken. Emotionally, it stirred up something in me. Right? So an illustration and a personal testimony stirs up emotion for the better. Right? Stirs up emotion for the better, not to, you know, acts of rebellion or whatever, but stirs up emotion to draw close to God. It also stirs up faith. Right? So this was about enduring and going through, journeying on. Right? So this was something that again stayed with me and I think it's more than, I don't know, 25 years or so since I've heard this message but I've never forgotten since I heard this illustration. It was the first time I heard this speaker speak and, you know, it stayed with me ever since. So things like this, illustrations are powerful when we know, you know, how to use it. Okay? Also, one good thing about illustrations is that it helps to present the truth without, you know, it refreshes the here. Right? Everyone loves a good story. Everyone loves a good illustration. Everyone loves to listen to, you know, and to be inspired by, you know, maybe just a good story. Everyone loves it. I remember, you know, in one of the short-term Bible colleges, especially these post-lunch sessions are very, very, you know, very, very challenging, right? Everybody's dozing off and the weather is also not contributing. It's, you know, kind of hot and humid in some of the places and everybody just, you know, goes in nodding off. So I remember, you know, in the conversation, the eyes will be open. Right? The audience, everybody would be interested. They lean forward and the eyes will be open. They listen intently and once we get back to the, and then that would last some time. Right? And when we, again, you know, in the grappling with, you know, the content and then slowly, you know, you can see the, again, the tiredness set in sitting and listening for many hours. They were used to working in the fields and so they were not used to sitting and listening like this. So anyway, so we saw that firsthand that when an illustration is used, when an example is used to explain something, explain a deep truth and, you know, much like how Jesus used the parable, it really helps convey the truth plus it refreshes the listener. Right? And the listener, the one who's listening. So, yeah, it should make sense to the audience, the kind of illustration. It should connect with them, connect with their world or what they are used to. So then it will really help. It should be appropriate to the theme of the sermon, of course. Illustration should be convincing. You know, it should be authentic. If you just making up something, then it won't be, it will not be. It should be authentic. It should be convincing. And even those who are disinterested would listen to the illustration and be drawn into the message. And, you know, I remember, again, at one of the short-term Bible colleges, you know, there was this boy who would just not, he was just not interested. I don't know why he came and probably somebody enrolled him, probably his parents enrolled him. So he was there for those, you know, weeks, whatever. I think two and a half months, one week and he would, he was just not there. And the difference was very, you know, very, very, very stark because every time we had a break, he would come alive. You know, every time he said, okay, break time football, he was, you know, he was completely alive. It was a different person who we saw. So anyway, so even him, you know, even this person was drawn by the illustrations. Listen to these illustrations. So people who are totally disinterested would, this here's an opportunity to draw them back into the message because the message that your sharing would be, maybe it would change destinies. Maybe it's about life and death. Maybe it's about something that they are going through, you know, because of various things and they're distracted and illustration would help draw them back in. So sources of illustration. Yes, of course, the Word of God, you know, the Bible itself is a good place for illustration, a good source of illustrations, right? We have so many instances, actually Old Testament and the new. So you could use that as a little, and these are safe, right? Because you know that, you know, these are, these are, it is a scripture, it has happened and you can, you can share that, right? And you can also share from personal experience but just be careful when you're using personal experiences because it was your experience and you know, you just, you know, explain it. If God can work in different ways, God can, God will. So you just need to share that, right? So especially, you know, for me when I'm sharing my testimony and my struggle with certain issues, like pornography and all that, you know, I decided when I came out of it that, you know, that I would change my newspaper subscription, right? Because I, I changed to another paper which had less visuals, less visuals of, you know, film stars or celebrities. And so I said, it was a decision. I decided that I will not, you know, go or check email or check anything on the internet alone and always be with another person, with my wife or in the presence of family. So these are some things that, you know, I decided because I felt God was leading me on that because things were so serious for me that I had to deal with it that way. Right? But I wouldn't advocate that for others, you know, saying, okay, don't have cable TV at home or don't, you know, you need to change your newspaper. Well, because they need to, that God led me to do that. So I don't want to teach that as a doctrine. Right? These are helpful things if you want to, you can. So when you're using personal examples, make that distinction. Right? So that would help. Okay. Don't exaggerate, manufacture or brag about some things. Okay. I do not repeat the same illustrations before the same audience. Now this is a difficult one, especially, you know, a number of years, you forget where you used what. And so maybe you've heard some of these illustrations before and you've been patient about it. Thank you. But the thing is, you know, it's good to make a note of it and say, okay, have I used this in the same audience, you know, especially if it's a church and well, and if you're pastoring a church and you're back to that same illustration and you can see it in the faces. People are like, oh, you're a pastor. You told us before the story, you've heard it a hundred times one more time, you know. So, yeah. So you just make a note of it. Try to collect files. This is a very good, you know, try to collect file illustrations, write down illustrations, you know, especially that poem that I shared earlier in the last session. I made a mental note of it and also, you know, I keep it and I've used it also in messages, especially with regard to the word pertaining to the word of God when he's sharing something, used it as an introduction or as a conclusion, you know, I've used it in a couple of occasions. So it's good to, you have these, you know, have these illustrations, you file it as your, you know, maybe you've prepared an outline and you've stored it and do that. And then the funny thing is, you know, when sometimes we, maybe I'm just driving and my daughter's sitting next to me and then, and then, you know, the traffic light changes and, or the traffic light is just red and I'm just going through because the vehicle in front is also moving, I'm also moving and then suddenly realize, there's a traffic island and then the signal is actually red and, you know, I looked at my daughter and said, you know, and the knowing expression and she says, no, that, no, you know, because it's like, it's like a life lesson, it's like a sermon, you know, an illustration there and she's like, no, no, not this time, you know, don't start now. You know, messages like, don't follow the crowd unless they're following Jesus getting Christ. Things like that just come, you know, when you, when you live through those illustrations, right? So, yeah, so it's good to help, I mean, collect these things and make a mental note of it and, and file it away so you can, you can use it, because it's, it's very helpful. Okay. Here are some things that AP, you know, Alfred B. Gibbs, the theologian preacher, so he, he quotes from the abolitionist who, from the, who is in America and we had an opportunity to just read about him. So he was there, he helped in the Civil War and all that. So anyway, so he, he quotes this person, Gibbs quotes this person about illustrations. So illustrations help with the argument, they help the hearer to remember, they stimulate the imagination, right? And especially when you, you know, the first time, I'm sure you've heard the story of Joseph. You've heard the story of, you know, Joseph and in the Pharaoh's court and, and the things that he did and being in prison and all that. I'm sure, you know, it's, as human beings, we visualize it, right? We, we, it, it's there in our imagination and it comes alive to us, right? So they stimulate the imagination. It helps rest the audience and it also provides for you know, various classes of hearers, right? So if you're maybe a young person, maybe a, you know, a child, maybe a senior person. So you use the right illustration. It helps connect and helps communicate the truth for, you know, however different the audience is. It also helps bridge difficult places. You know, if it's a, if it's a difficult concept to grasp, it's a difficult, it's a complex thing. An illustration always helps. Right? Or maybe it's an admonition. You know, you are admonishing or bringing in correction and it's something that, that you're doing it and you know, you have to do it publicly. It helps, you know, bridge that as well. They enforce the truth, of course. Right? But the thing is that if we use too many illustrations, storytelling time, you know, and people maybe they, it's like some great ads, you know, some, some great commercials and advertisements that you see on TV. Very creative. And I remember, because we recently are watching this test cricket between India, England and some very creative ads. You remember the ad, you know, I don't know if you've had that experience. Advertisement is wow, brilliant ad. But what is the product? What is the name of the product? What is the product even? You don't remember that. But actually that advertisement is meant to, you know, for you to recall the product when you go to buy, when you make a purchase decision. Maybe it's a deal or something and when you want to buy it, when you walk into a store, it's meant to trigger that recall, product recall, right. But, well, sometimes, you know, and we might use illustrations that way. We talk about the illustrations, we use illustrations. These are good illustrations, but they steal the actual content away. So, the thing is to make sure we use it in the right way. We use it appropriately or sparingly so that it communicates. And not every point or every sub-point needs an illustration. So, you choose, you decide. This is something that God is really emphasizing. And this is, you know, something difficult to grasp. I need to illustrate it. You make that choice. You make that decision. This would really help if it's an illustration. And also the time for illustration, right. Maybe it's something that you need to just mention, you know, in a few seconds and you're done with it. It's helpful, it's effective, right. And then you just move on. Okay, right. I think, yeah, that's about time we have. Okay, so the other thing, you know, we can probably, you know, when it comes to presentation, we'll talk about it, but, you know, you'll find these TED talks really, really useful to present it in a forceful manner. I don't know if you've, you know, how many of you have seen those videos. They're on YouTube, you know, TED talks. Just want to say this is a secular thing. So they talk about different things. They talk about things that are totally unbiblical and scriptural as well. So just wanted to give you that disclaimer. So you know what you're, you know, if you want to, you have that in mind so you can be discerning. But it's some great practical stuff and the way they present it, it's very powerful. The organization how they prepare the speaker is also, you know, very good. It's all done in maybe at the most 10 minutes, 15 minutes. But then it's very, very powerful. It's very, very precise and the good use of visuals and everything. So it's communicated well. So you could take a look at some of those videos and learn from them. But I will also, you know, we will also watch some videos together and also talk about it. Probably we'll do it once we finish the mechanics of sermon preparation. Right. Okay. So we'll stop here and have a great day. We'll catch up again on Friday. God bless. Bye-bye.