 So let's dive into the slides. What do I have for slides? Basically, the idea tonight is to share some tech tips, tech tips that will, especially those that are going to be helpful to nonprofits. And when we run out of those, also, like, toss some questions out there. We're going to have time for that, I think, as well. But I want to start off by sharing my favorite new piece of technology for nonprofits is Canva. And it's one where even though I've been aware of it for a year and a half, close to two years, I really have gotten to see the power of it this year. I first became acquainted with it for building my business cards. And it was really easy to go online. They have these lovely free templates that make it really easy and quick to design beautiful business cards and get them printed for a really nice price. Like, at least it used to be crazy expensive to get the bleed on there and everything may make it super easy free graphics. If you want those and logos that you can put into there and the layouts are really easily. It's also a great tool for it. Nice clean graphics. And I'll show you some examples here in a second as well stock photo photos. I have a lovely bank of stock photos which makes it and they're for they're available for free. And so that's wonderful to be able to plug those into social media or into your website or other places. And so it's a tool that we've have used quite a bit for my side gig. I tell you that by day I'm a consultant by night. This other project with a friend to help nonprofits find the right consultant. It's called philanthropy force. And so we used Canva to build all the graphics that we've put up onto social media. I made it really quick to put all the pieces together and make it look really good. We had an intern do that for us. And we had an intern do this one as well. And it's like really nice looking graphic and all built inside of Canva. And so you really what I've seen is you don't really need to have a high level of technical expertise like you used to with a lot of these tools. And in fact, I have a colleague who on the spectrum of kind of tech ability. She's kind of over on the AOL side of the spectrum in terms of like tech knowledge. And she's able to use Canva and do really pretty graphics with it and make things come out looking really nice including like for a presentation that we did on here on TechSoup a month or two ago. So that is one of the, that's my new thing for this year. So I'm going to turn off the slide share and open it up. I do have some backup slides just in case nobody wants to talk but what do you guys have who has a tip that they'd like to share with the group need tool for nonprofits to use. I'll go first. This is Kyle again. So I haven't really used it much. But I've read a lot about it and I've seen it kind of in the same type of discussions where folks are looking to create some apps with kind of like no code experience so there's a platform called app sheet. Like I said I've heard a lot of great things about it and it seems to be a no coding type platform where you can get an idea out quickly and into iOS and Android world. So it might be beneficial to folks looking to have a presence in the app stores. And so, Kyle for for those of us who've never built an app before, like what what kind of thing might somebody who doesn't have a high level of expertise with this what kind of thing might somebody put together. Like an inventory list. So maybe you're building like some type of punch list that a contractor has to go through and in due to, you know, fix up a house to get ready to show or something like that. So, maybe you are really good at creating these lists but not a lot of school programming. So from what it looks like this type of tool could help you take some list type item and turn into an app pretty quickly, just from like forms for Excel, something like that. So I was like a habitat for humanity and volunteers right and they have these assigned roles and we get Sarah yeah you're in role a get the role a checklist and basically work through that kind of deal so they don't have to worry about the pencil and paper kind of deal okay cool. But I imagine they're probably about 1000 different kinds of things. So is it one of those kind of skies the limit and just depends on your creativity kind of deal. Like I said it when you were talking about what could people get into. That's kind of easy. That's the first thing that came to mind I was just reading about the other day haven't used a lot myself, but it looks pretty cool. I just kind of skimming through it. Cool. Thank you. Who else has run into some technology that they have found is really useful making the work use Alan I see your hands up. Hi. I guess we signed up. We were using Google workspace I guess with the nonprofit you get to Google workspace and then we found that there was they give you $10,000 a month for Google ads. You know, we were like that's wonderful. How does this work. Do you figure out where you put it all together but we found a group out of university in Pennsylvania and Philadelphia. And for these college gets to graduate they have to implement this for you. And get a certificate in Google. And so that program is out there. I mean, I know you finally people get these 10,000 you don't know what to do with them. So we did it and these college students results. Sorry about these college students set it all up and we were receiving. I mean it was just it got really busy, like thousands of people just visiting the website. And so that particular we weren't even ready for that. You know we're just kind of like okay now we know what it can do. But that's out there. I think if you look for add Google ads and stuff and kind of a win win these college students get to get a certificate you get to set up your, your, your ad ads out in Google and so forth so. That's super cool if you were able to dig up the link to that program I would love to share that widely because it's the number one request to get all the time locally. Okay, let me find it. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you on who else has a tech tip that maybe that's saved their bacon over the past year or two, or something that's really exciting. And kind of like I like I haven't, haven't tried this yet but I can't wait to try it. I think I've got something I'd like to share. I have to deal with all sorts of video in my life because what happens is of course you know you do a webinar then they're like, edit that webinar, find the clip in the webinar where is that section there, and editing video is, is a nightmare. There is this new tool called the script. And what it does is it does a, like a transcription of your video, which lots of things do at this point, but what it does is it then takes this text transcript and it ties it directly to the video. So if you cut a bit of copy from the script, it edits your video in place. So this is really quite powerful. So you'll say, so here's my video. And as I click through here, it will, it'll start showing like, here's what that section looks like in the video itself so you can either scrub to the video or scrub to the script. And if you're like, Oh, that's great but actually I don't want that intro sentence. You just highlight that text. Click delete. And it gets, it cuts it all out from video. So that can be really powerful. The other very crazy thing it does is it's got these tools here. So you can say like, I want to shorten a word gaps like, Oh, there was a part section like couple places where there was like a half second gap. And so you can go through here and just say like find me any word gap that's over yours here on the right, over a minute. And, and then just like, like shrink it down to maybe a half seconds you can start, you know, doing these, these mass edits across it. You can also do the same thing with this filler word thing so you do the same thing where it would go through and say find me any instance of um, through the whole script. And then you just say like either show all of them, or click a button and just delete all of them. And so it gives you a really quick and dirty way to not create a perfect edit that you would be able to do with like, you know, in a more professional setting. But if you just need to do a good enough quick and dirty edit. This is a really powerful tool. It's also great for those social media sharing moments, where you are looking for like, you know, someone said something really insightful one great sentence in the middle of a webinar or something like that. You can just go find that text, highlight it here in the text and then just say, what, just make a copy it to a new clip. And so then you could basically go and export that as like a three second video. So that's the script. I think it's super handy. There is a 50% nonprofit discount. Otherwise it's about 10 bucks a month. And if you do this kind of stuff like I do fairly often, it is a real lifesaver. How funny, Eli. Thank you. Thank you. Would it make when you make the arms go away? Does it like make that part of the video go away too? Or is it just pulling them out of the transcript? You get an option. So yes, you can either say, remove all of those and just mute that, but don't like cut the video. Or you can also say and cut the video at each one of those points as well. Oh boy, so you can get rid of those kind of embarrassing gifts and that person who's supposed to sound so articulate and polished like you could make them maybe sound a little bit more articulate and polished than they really were. Absolutely. So in the professional radio world, the NPR people will do that. If you've ever been interviewed on the radio and then listened back later, you're like, I'm not that articulate. I pause way more than that. But they've gone through and done that kind of tight edit to what you've done. And that used to be a team of interns and transcripts. But they were editing actual physical tape, a really difficult job. But now you can just edit the text and it just edits the video as well, which is quite powerful or the audio. Some people just use this as just a podcast creation tool as well. So that's pretty nifty there. The last thing which is nifty but starts getting a little bit creepy and we started hearing about this recently is you can also create fake robot voices. So if you feed enough of yourself or another guest presenter into the system, and then you're like, oh, what they really should have said in that sentence was, I am a nonprofit staffer instead of, no, me am staffer. Well, you could just go there and write that into the text, and it will then create that audio in the video. It's not going to be 100% perfect, but who's looking at webinar videos that closely anyways. So that's something that's possible. You may want to be more cautious with that but it is now a technical possibility, as we're going to see to our horror in the political world very soon. Yeah, all of a sudden podcasts are going to be. Yeah, very different. At least hand I saw go up and I didn't get to see who's it was was super imposed on Eli screen. If there's somebody wants to jump in with a follow up question for Eli. Let's do that first and then we'll take a new comment. Was there somebody wanted to follow up on Eli. I think that is Eli sand. Yeah, it was indeed my hand. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, cool then. But who has a comment or question wants to go next jump in. I don't want to stretch but in the interest of playing along, I'll throw out wordpress my favorite of the, you know, open source content management systems. If you ever find anyone who's looking for a fast website and needs it to be easy to manage on the back end that happens to be my favorite of them, and I don't know if nodding or thumbs up maybe everybody knows wordpress already in my world that you know, this would have been 10 years ago but I have been helping a friend set up a store. There is a big, huge popular plugin called will commerce that everybody uses for e commerce, also free. You know you pay a few bucks for the payment processing but in their case they don't need it. I have a friend or a co worker or you know someone who's looking for fast simple websites. I always steer everybody to wordpress wordpress.com you set up a free account and you have a website, you know, at a wordpress.com address pretty quickly. And then you can always apply your own domain to it and attach it to your email and, you know, make it cooler and smarter from there. I've been impressed with wordpress and and Woo commerce which is a new tool to me but I've been impressed with just how easy they make it to pick up. And again, you know, you get something up quickly, and then you can always improve upon it with iteration. Adam, do you have opinions on WordPress or if not you maybe somebody has WordPress versus something like Squarespace. I used to be snobby about steering everyone to WordPress and and years ago I came to appreciate that what matters most is the people in charge of keeping the site up to date are comfortable in the administration console. So I actually think Squarespace is a perfectly excellent option for a lot of people. I have recommended to friends that they set up free trial accounts in both. And of course those aren't the only two players but you know, it's, it takes an hour or two to just try it for free. And usually, you know, whether it reminds them of something or you know there's some some association usually that makes them feel like this is the one for me and and that's all it takes to be often running. I'd be interested if anybody else has an opinion on the matter. So who else has an opinion Squarespace versus WordPress versus any of the other ones out there that fall into the basket of supposed to be easy to use I think Wix also has that reputation. You lie your hands up. Oh, is it. Oh, gosh, I guess I just don't even know how to keep it down anymore. I don't have any strong opinions. The only thing I ever coach people on is basically saying, where is it something that you can easily export everything from do you ultimately own that data and control that data or is it something that's stuck in a platform and actually really hard to get out you're going to have someone cutting and pasting in five years. Otherwise, yeah, tools or tools would if you like it go for it. And Alan, did you raise your hand. You have a comment on it. Yes, we did just a very basic Google sites. We do therapies and VR, the mostly firm of mobile VR model. That particular nonprofit started in refugee camps so it's very, we wanted something very simple, and that can be translated into other languages, kind of very automatically. So using Google just just made it part of that made it very easy. So I just wanted to add that but also, if you're looking for kind of low cost meeting things. Mozilla hubs. We noticed a lot of people turning that into businesses are using it for schools in VR, you can access it with your monitor you can access it with your phone you can access it in VR. If you're a VR, I think you can have up to 25 people and have meetings in there and you can design the landscape. If you're a very good designer, you can have the landscape design. That's not what we do in therapies we just do these apps you download a money phone for free. And so we, we manufacture our headsets so it's a different thing that we do. Mozilla hubs is out there I know a lot of people doing great stuff with it if you want to have meetings and you could pop up. If you're inside of it like if you want to put a video, or an object in a meeting like this and it would just pop up on in front of everybody. It's a little bit like WordPress that's why I was bringing it up. So I was just like WordPress for VR. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to, in response to, oh, lad, hands up, go. Yeah, I have a suggestion so there's a platform called jitsi j i t si. That's a video app video conferencing platform. It's open source product. So it's an alternative to zoom. I wanted to throw out there for anyone that might just happen to want to not use the only video app anyone ever uses for some reason. Well what's the user experience like with it. This is a new one for me. Yeah, it's pretty good it's gotten a lot better over the years. And that's the strength of open source projects to is that it gets community input and support contributions. So yeah, it's it's pretty slick. I'm sure it doesn't have every feature zoom has but it overall works quite well and you can want advantages. People can access it in their browser without having to download a separate app. Okay, so that makes it a whole lot easier to get somebody new to adopt it. Right. Yeah, so that might that might make it more accessible for some some users. Wonderful, wonderful. I've got a question I want to throw back at the rest of you. So I have used a number of different tools over the years just for like screen casting like basically screen recording so I can say like, here's how I did this thing instead of having to write a five step like help document like just shows someone a quick video. What, what are the hot tools these days how are people doing that kind of screen recording and sharing. This is Russell. I'm not sure what the nonprofit price would be but we use Camtasia on almost a daily weekly basis we find it's really easy. We automate a lot of things right instead of trying to show somebody once we have a from a tech perspective we have somebody comes in with a problem for instance. And we'll just do a quick screen capture and it's with all the clicks and then you can do the voiceover at the same time or after. And then it just goes up the screencast and we can share that link and it's really easy to use pretty intuitive you just started and start clicking around. And that's one we've always used and it's, you know, we found that to be really useful so. And that's Camtasia but I can't remember who the company is behind it it's. But if you go for Camtasia CMT ASIA, that'll get you. Yeah, I think I showed up from Tech Smith, I believe is text method. Yep, Tech Smith. Yeah, I know I've used that in the past I also liked it had a pretty good, like screen annotation tool built in as well just like throw arrows and text on as well. Yeah. Yeah. I'll add one to the mix. It's called share x. You can get it from get share x.com. It's, I think free and accept donations. Pretty cool. Do you have a screen capture tool. Yep, videos screenshots. They have some editing. They have built in my hosting tools to send it to, you know, pick your site like energy or anywhere else, Facebook probably. Oh, that looks really good I'm currently using snag it but I'm paying the more money that I really like to. So I'm going to look at that. I think I have to take both these out I've been using loom and enjoying it a whole lot but yeah, it's good to know more options. There's a there's also this also an app called green shot. I think you can download it as a desktop app. It allows you to capture an image and do like annotation on it like if you wanted to, to, you know, create nice shapes. You know, let's say you're doing like a, like a how to you can like, you know, put a shape in there, symbols, save it, print it, you know, send it out whatever. That's a pretty nice one. It's called green shots. Lovely yeah basically there's the things that everyone's like, you're so impressive that must have taken you hours to put this thing together for me I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, I spent, I spent seconds on you but here's here it is. You know, for just like a lot of internal support work on these I find these tools super valuable. Well I can, I can share something that's kind of not screenshot related but I'm not familiar with Trello at all. It's a it's a project management tool. I can show you a little bit here I can share my screen for see if I have it up. I thought I had it. Okay yeah. Okay, can you guys see it okay. Yep. Okay, so this is Trello. I'm actually looking for a, I'm an IT manager so I was looking for like a ticketing software. I really didn't find anything that I liked and I had heard about Trello which is kind of an agile, I don't know if you're familiar with agile methodology. But this was something that's kind of related to that kind of in that same vein. And basically, this is not just for IT management like this. I use it right now as a support ticket management like if I get a ticket or like an IT task that I need to do. I'll enter it in here and basically it allows you to create these these cards and in these cards you can create. Oh, sorry, not cards you forgot the name convention of it but a table and a table has a card and each card you create goes into that table, and you can actually drag and drop these cards into different tables. So if you can imagine you can create. Let's say you're managing multiple people you can actually create a new card. You can add a new list. Okay, my name convention is off it's called a list so I can add a list and say this is, you know, john. And I can actually start dragging and dropping things for john to do. You know, I want to do, I want john to like, you know, configure cell phones. So I can bag it to his, his list. So you can manage tasks for different people in this way. The way I'm using it is not really for that although I, you know, I do see myself doing that eventually. I have actually something for Joshua here so I'm kind of building a list for him to do. But the way I've used it you know I have like incoming things go into this list, and then when they're when they're done. They go to the done list. And that's it, you know, so it's kind of working with different items, and being able to play around with them putting them to different lists. So that you know you can keep track of everything. And each card in the list has a different, you can have different things with it you can create a checklist within a card. So I can add you know this checklist. And I can actually start you know creating sub lists within each card. So, you know, create due dates for when those things will be due stuff like that. I mean there's this multiple things that you can do with this. I've even started doing. Let's see, I have lists of lists. So I created a list of, you know, things to do for laptops, questions for people, things like that. I've also created long term projects, you know that I can't do it right away so I started putting that in there and it's very open ended what you can do with it it's just a great way to, you know, collect all the things that you need to do, organize them in the way that you want them to organize that you want to organize them, and keep track of, you know, their status, and things like that so something I'd really like to, to use and something I just recently discovered I thought you guys might like that. Thank you, Jose, that got me thinking about at my last place I worked there were a number of teams who were using a sauna, which is a similar tool. Yeah, and they were especially they thought it to be especially valuable. They had to have multiple people collaborating on the same project, and they needed to have really good communication about where, you know, if this project had 20 different tasks that needed to know who owns each task. Where are the different tasks in the process and also be able to visualize the dependencies right that be can't happen until a happens and a is waiting on Jose and so. And it's Tuesday and it said it was supposed to be done Monday Jose, help us out what happened to task a right and so it helped them all stay on the same page about expectations and timing and all that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I think they're there are competitors in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Alan, I saw you raise your hand. Thank you. Thank you so for sharing. I just found out about Trello. And we brought on to UX designers for people's budget Texas. And they wanted to do slack and I just can't stand that slack thing. Every four years I feel director for presidential candidates. And the last one that put in that slack. It was just a nickel chamber as a disaster. It's something I volunteer for every four years but I can't stand that slack so we, we came to a middle point of using Trello, which is supposed to be public as well so everybody can see it. And we're looking at it and how do we use it to, because we're building people's budget Texas with five community colleges here in San Antonio the Alamo colleges, along with a couple other it volunteers it's kind of a community thing. But I just had to put the foot down on that. I just can't. It just becomes an organism where it's this echo chamber going on that's just like. Trello looks like a good little halfway. We'll figure it out. I don't know if it'll work but thank you for sharing that as it's something that we're going to put up. As a public thing so a lot of the, a lot of our people are politicians, city councilmen. They're not going to go into a slack account. But if you can publicly see this Trello kind of a board. It's almost like a scoreboard of sorts. So if you want to be able to progress and be able to get updated, then it looks much more accessible. But yeah thanks for sharing that. Good thing. I have a question from a friend who wasn't able to be here tonight I'm hoping you might have some answers for her. What do people like for antivirus malware protection for a nonprofit particularly on the free side of possible. What do we love what do we hate for for that. Is this for Windows or for Apple. Let's let's say windows but let's let's cover both while we're at it. Yeah, well windows windows has a built in antivirus already which is defender. I think it's sufficient for viruses. I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't see a need for antivirus outside of that defender. I mean maybe if anything maybe like malware bites. You know some that's, you know that's, I've used that in the past but I think I think defender should be sufficient. Anybody have any, any thoughts on that. Am I wrong. I agree. I think that's a reasonable recommendation, if budget is the, you know, top priority or one of them on the PC side, and malware bites on the Mac side, you know, I've heard good things about. The typically, I've run into a lot of computers where McAfee is free installed. And it's pretty annoying so what I do I just, I just delete it. I just delete McAfee I don't think it's needed. But you know, you know, they make it seem like it's it's urgent to have that software but I, you know, I don't see the need for it. That's my take. Go ahead. This is this is Russell and I think in the introduction I said I've been in cybersecurity for 25 years and it depends on your budget. I mean, bit defender we found bit defender and malware bites to be pretty good and they'll work on Windows or Mac. One thing you want to look at when you're when you're doing something around there. You're going to want to manage it right so somebody going to be managing it you just want to put it on somebody's desktop and leave it up to them and and so you can buy some fairly low cost things so fast as fairly low cost as well and you can imagine it, manage it from like an SMB small business type dashboard. And then it tells you if people are up to date or not you can look really quickly if you just use like the windows defender, which to be honest I don't think it's, I think that the paid for ones are the free for nonprofit ones are going to be better but you're going to be able to manage it across platform on that and then if you have any Linux or anything in your, you know, in your environment for some reason that a lot of people would you definitely going to need something around there but I would always kind of choose something that you're going to be able to manage it's not so much as it just work but if you got two different things on, on one on Mac and one on Windows, it's, it's never going to be really cohesive on there so I would just, I would say use something that you can have a common dashboard for and monitor and then give you alerts right on that as well in terms of who's out of date or, you know, are they doing scans regularly right. You can force scans with some of these SMB things right you want to be able to, you want to be able to monitor it right just just sticking it on and leaving it people's own devices I think is a recipe for disaster. You know that brings up an interesting thing and I've experienced this with some organizations where they've never, they've just MacGyver their whole tech set up and so you know everybody has these individual computers are not networked or anything like it at all. Is there a way to DIY yourself out of that situation and start to get networked and start to have that kind of hub there so you can manage the security and all the computers and things like that. So you can use I mean if you took, if you took something like like a bit defender or so false or something they actually have everything from antivirus to know personal firewalls that are on there as well and you can manage all of that. It's not necessarily that they're networked together in that sense. On that they're not part of a directory structure that would be a totally different thing if you put somebody as part of your windows directory structure so you should manage to get from an active directory point of view. But if you just have people scattered everywhere. I would, if you put. If you worried about viruses and fishing and malware. The easiest thing would be to find something you're comfortable with with the dashboard that's inexpensive. Get it installed on all of those machines. It also depends do you have control of those machines are they your machines are they volunteers machine right. If it's a volunteer machine you can't put your stuff on it and manage it so if you don't connect to your network that's you know that's a, that's a whole different thing, but you can kind of manage it it's like to say. You use so fast because I actually use that for my, just my home and all my kids so I can make sure everybody's updating stuff. I can see if they're all updated I can see if they're online some of it even has go find your, your laptop features on it. And it's pretty inexpensive. You know so. Let's take, get your take Russell on, you know, the advent of cloud computing and it from my perspective. It seems that since more apps are being utilized from the cloud that there's less I mean you always want to be careful but there's less of a, you know if your computer gets a virus, it's not as critical because you know most of the time you'll be working with cloud apps anyway. I mean you should definitely have antivirus not saying you shouldn't. Yeah, it's not as critical as it used to be. I would completely disagree with that because if somebody clicks on a link or they they get malware they get ransomware. You do that, you know, you do that by clicking on a link right it's irregardless and if they lock up all you know then soon as you email somebody else. They can click on a link there I mean even. There's some scary stuff out there not to scare everybody to death but if you were to send somebody if you had malware on your laptop, and you were to send a link to 10 other people in your organization. Obviously it's a link to CNN calm, it will dynamically change that link into a malware link, and you will go to a malware site behind the scenes so I mean there's a lot of stuff like that so I would never. If I own the laptops and they weren't volunteers laptops I would always have something up on it. Right ransomware right now is the biggest thing that we deal with. Now obviously we're talking to enterprise, you know customers and things of that sort but every I mean I've seen people small organizations as small as you know 10 people organizations get malware and just lock everything up and they can't do anything. You know, and they don't these guys don't care if you're a nonprofit or not, you'll get a ransom demand for a small amount of Bitcoin and you got to pay it. Either that or you, you know, trash your laptops and start over. You didn't know. Now it doesn't make it if you're me if you're all using something like Chromebooks that really didn't have it much of an operating system and you're all using cloud apps that helps you out a little bit more but if you're using email you're pretty much going to be susceptible to it so it just depends how large your organization is and one thing you don't want to do is you don't want to accidentally send malware to a donor, a larger organization that you're dealing with things of that sort. So, yeah, it's not just your organization you can spread it. Thanks. Yeah. Very good. Very good. There are so many different aspects of technology and how it impacts our nonprofits and I love how we're covering a lot of very diverse ground in terms of all the different pieces of technology is one of the reasons I've become a big believer in having a nonprofit community right where I've encountered so many nonprofits where it's, it's a DIY MacGyver job even nonprofits as big as like 20 staff or more. And it's, I've seen how transformative it can be to have an IT professional or ideally a team of professionals that you can call on when you need them. One thing I would suggest and I see this in the commercial space not necessarily the nonprofit space but I think nonprofit space should do the same thing is almost nobody has their own IT anymore. Nobody manages their own IT. If your organization of 100 people or less, nobody has their own IT department generally. I mean they'll have maybe one IT person there to kind of manage everything from an inside point of view. But they're, everybody's using a managed service or outsourcing it so that people are looking after their updates and their security and so forth. I think the thing would be to find out organizations that provide those types of services that may provide a metal reduced cost for for nonprofits because you know, you're kind of one IT guy swimming in everything right and you can't know everything about it and so it's, I would, I would outsource that we do that I mean I worked for our cybersecurity startup, and we don't do any of our IT. It's all outsourced. We don't touch it because it's not our core business. We develop, you know, products we don't do networking and an IT and stuff of that sort. So it, it, I think I'm hearing you echo something that I've been suspecting for a while Russell which is that one person cannot do it all anymore, and probably hasn't been able to for a long time. That's correct yeah. You may need that one person help coordinate everything inside, but you really it really pays dividends, you know I guess it goes back to budget though but I would, I would outs, I would never try to do it myself ever again. I know it can be very expensive to DIY right and then you hit with the ransomware, because you were worried about some other thing and you weren't able to step on the developments and something else that was also important. Right. Cool. I think we have time for maybe one more you like to have time for one more question or do we need to your microphone. I don't think we have a hard end on this so yeah keep going until you run out. Well, folks, why don't we do, does anybody else have a burning thing that they want to contribute to the conversation or a burning question that they want to get the group's wisdom on. Just briefly I wanted to mention about the point about slack versus something like Trello. In my opinion they're complementary tools. They serve different purposes. I would not use slack for project management. But slack is useful for communication. But you need a permanent store for the things you're talking about because slack will just keep scrolling by and the content is going to get lost, but it's helpful to have a quick way to bounce ideas around. So. And I wanted to mention on the topic of security password management. Maybe, maybe others have have ideas. I'm using one password right now. I know last pass is popular. But in terms of in a nonprofit setting, does anyone have experience with what works well. I've got experience with one pass. And pretty much everybody that I know and kind of my cybersecurity buddies are all kind of default at the one pass for personally use and things like that there's other things for enterprise use but yeah so I would I would echo one pass is something that was, I would definitely push and use but I guess in this context it would be cool if there was an enterprise solution that had a nonprofit discount. I haven't seen anything that really fits that that sort of need at the last pass the kind of end user level. On the other side for enterprise with a nonprofit access. There is I think up to maybe I think about 50 users so for like up to mid-sized organizations auctions got a good support option at quite a low cost I believe for nonprofits. It's obviously slightly different thing is more single sign on but it's another way to sort of help organization, manage security identity and all that. Yeah, we've used octa to I'm familiar with those the problem is something like octa that's you got to you're getting into the realm of a lot of people who are calling together their it are won't really be able to use it because it is a little complex when you're putting in a single sign on versus just password management. So that kind of gets back to reasons why you might want to outsource some of that to a managed service provider. I use dash line password management. It's pretty good. And actually, this is my ignorance I work at TechSoup I did not know they're in the TechSoup catalog but actually they are. So thanks Kyle. Yeah nice to add on to the TechSoup guy something just to add on to the security side to talk about any virus a lot of the starts with safe browsing so anybody has like recommendations for you know good browser extensions like HTTPS everywhere for Google Chrome. Those kind of tools are really helpful to keep people on the right path when they're using the internet that don't know better. Just super thought. What was that one again Kyle. HTTPS everywhere. So like if there was a site that was trying to pose as somebody else's site that was running on, you know, not securely so they could capture using passwords off forms that are unencrypted. This particular tool would force your traffic over HTTPS or prevent you from operating on that site all together. Those are kind of things that people really don't see behind the scenes, but those type of extensions can help save you. So perfect for like my 76 year old mother and or people who's browsing skills are the same level as my mother's. Yeah, and most organizations have a number of people like that. Yeah. Nice. Any other hot tips before we wrap up for the evening. Or burning questions. What's the next meeting. November, first Monday in November, my friend Tristan Pierce is going to be presenting on how to build an awesome quick books stack basically how to leverage your your basic nonprofit accounting package. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah yeah Tristan's a good guy he knows this stuff really well. All right well, folks thank you for joining us tonight this has been, we did this one a year and a half ago. And I think we covered two or three times as much ground tonight this was really neat I think we went deep and broad I have personally a bunch of pages and notes. Thank you everybody for coming on and sharing your ideas and your experience this has been, yeah, certainly very fruitful and I think this will be a good one for anybody who's watching this and video later. Be sure to get the chat because there were a couple of thoughtful people tonight who were dropping every time somebody mentioned a product that somebody was dropping into the chat. We'll actually go there and check it out so if you're if you're seeing this somebody later be sure to get the chat as well and thank you to those of you who were dropping those things into the chat box for us. You like any parting words. Nope. How about you're all great. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise I learned a lot. Thank you and we hope to see you next time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys.