 Good evening, Namaskar and a very warm welcome to all of us here. It is indeed an honor and a real privilege, Satguru, to have you with us for the next 90 minutes, during which time I shall do my best and we will explore, I think, a variety of concepts with Satguru, concepts around leadership, ethics, individual responsibility, a little bit of questions around spirituality and so on. So without further ado, I want to start off by asking you, Satguru, what is the next step for Satguru? Dinner? Dinner? I thought that was already over, so we expect a more profound answer for you. It's a very profound answer because you can postpone many things in your life. You can postpone buying a home, buying a car, you can postpone your wedding if you want. It's a good thing. You can postpone your divorce, good to postpone your death, but you can't postpone your dinner. Right now, this is the ugliness which is happening in this country. A whole lot of people are postponing their dinner today. This is the horrible situation that's happening. So do not consider dinners not so profound, it's very profound. If you're eating ten times a day, it's not profound. If you're eating once or twice a day, it is quite profound. So you say something which is, you know, which is very close to my heart, you talked about dinner. We… No, no, dinner is about my stomach, not my heart. Okay, we'll get to the heart through your stomach. You know, we live in a world of contrast, at least as I perceive it. You know, there is obviously the rich and the poor. There are the ones who are impoverished and desatiated. You know, we live in a country where 300 million people go to bed hungry every night. How do we deal with these big social issues? And what is the one message that you would like to give to all of us where we as individuals can make our own little big whatever contribution to being part of the solution rather than waiting for somebody else to do something? You're immediately getting into the missionary mode. We can try a little bit of that. Yes, it's a serious problem and an unfortunate problem because we are living in a land which has over twelve thousand years of agricultural history, probably the only place on the planet like this. As far as I know, except a few other places in South America, nowhere else on the planet was agriculture organized twelve thousand years ago. So we have enormous experience of agriculture, which means the science of producing food. If we're living in a land where twelve months of the year, you can grow what you want. Many farmers in Tamil Nadu take six crops, four crops actually, but in between the intercropping, totally six products they're taking out of the same piece of land. Nowhere else on the planet this is really possible. In spite of this, half the people are hungry simply because of apathy, not because of lack of food, not because that it is not possible to fulfill this. I feel a focused effort in a matter of five years, five to eight years, very comfortably we can crest this. It should not even take that much time, but if we are determined within five years time it is possible to cross this and it's important to cross this because when you say India, I know lot of poetry has been written about how beautiful it is, our mountains, our rivers, our whatever, but for one point two-five billion people you neither have enough mountains nor rivers nor land nor even a piece of sky, believe me. The only thing that you have is people. If these people are well-nourished, competent, inspired, this can be the greatest miracle. But right now sixty percent of India's population, even their skeletal system has not grown to full size or in other words we are producing a totally underdeveloped humanity. If your body does not grow to its full size, neither will your brains. There's medical evidence to show that first four years of your life, if you did not get the necessary nourishment your brain is approximately sixty percent of what it should be. So with half-brain people, the next generation, what nation are you going to build? You're going to be a big disaster. If you don't fix nourishment, we are going to be an enormous disaster, it's a waiting, it's a silent bomb, it doesn't make noise very quietly, it's going to implode upon us. So this is something that has to be fixed in a war footing, must be. So what is the role, I know all of us as individuals have a role to play. We are all part of a corporate, an academic institution, part of a community and a society. So what do you believe is the responsibility? I'm not talking about corporate social responsibility, I'm simply talking about corporate responsibility when it comes to being part of fixing some of the problems that you've just spoken about. I've… we are very much involved with nourishment, education, health of the rural populations. I've been talking to many leading lights, not much light out there. Whenever I speak to a lot of people, not all of them, many of them, if I tell them, you know, we are planting 114 million trees, you could do something, they'll say, they'll tell me a very passionate story, how their… his wife or his mother has a trust where she planted 108 trees around their factory and how they have grown, how beautiful they are and how it… how they're enjoying it. In all this passion I just… okay, what's there to say, 108 trees are good. I'm not saying no, but if your capacity was only 108, I'm… I'll bow down to you. Your capacity is 108 million, not 108, but you're satisfying yourself with 108. You talk about nourishment, you say, you know what, my maid's children, they were so malnourished, three of them, every Sunday we feed them. These kind of stories I've heard of great compassion and love. So there is a whole culture of doing something for your satisfaction or doing something because you want to buy a ticket to heaven. I want people to come to a place where you being fulfilled should happen within you. If you want to go to heaven, please leave. But if you want to be a solution, there's another way to work. I fed two children and I feel very happy. It's all right, I appreciate that. I'm glad for those two children, but this is not a solution, this is only for satisfaction. So it's time, at least those people who are in a certain level of capability, I would say when I say capability, all of you are thinking, oh, okay, some big corporate leader, I'm saying all of you are in a certain level of capability, who should see how to bring a solution, not do something for your silly satisfaction. You can be satisfied by eating food, by simply sitting quietly, by sleeping well, doing whatever. Satisfaction need not come through somebody else's suffering. You don't have to fulfill your satisfaction because of this, you know, somebody's suffering, that is not the basis of your suffering and if you buy a ticket to heaven through that suffering, I don't know, heaven will turn into hell probably for you. I hope it does. I couldn't agree with you more. So I want to explore two or three other dimensions that you spoke about. You spoke about capacity, you spoke about leadership. So talk to us a little bit about what you see as what are… who are leaders and what is leadership. Is there a difference? Is it? I know there's a lot of talk about leadership and wanting to become leaders. I don't think anybody should try to become a leader. It's quite obscene that I want to become a leader, that means all of you should be what? I don't know. I know what you would like to call yourself. It's not about you wanting to become a leader or someone wanting to become a leader. Because of a certain thing that you have done within yourself or a certain level of observation or a certain intelligence or a certain experience, you are able to see something that most people are not able to see. The moment you're able to see something, then people will naturally look up to you as a leader because you're seeing something that they cannot see. And if you become a leader, there are many ways to become a leader, you can get elected, you can get selected, you can work it, you can pull other people down and become a leader or simply people will rise you as a leader because they see that either you're able to see something or you're able to do something which they themselves cannot do. I feel this is the way leadership should happen. If you want to call it that, that someone is able to see something and do something that others cannot do. So everybody wishes he must take charge of the situation because naturally he will be able to do something that the others will not be able to do. So what is the quality of leadership? Leadership means once you sit in a perch, you better see clearer than others, otherwise you will make a ridiculous fool of yourself. There's a whole, you know, in a nation certain things have been happening. They sit on a perch and he doesn't see any better than you, he looks like a fool immediately. So it is not about you wanting to sit on the perch, you wanting to see something must get you to the perch, not because you want to be above everybody else you get to the perch. So what is the quality of a leader? I don't think there's any particular quality. One thing is a leader means his sense of life is beyond himself. It's not about his sense of identity is beyond himself. Somebody becomes a leader because he's willing to think and feel and act for more people than himself. If you act for yourself, you're called self-centered. If you just act for the sake of two or three people you gather in the form of family, you are named as Dhritarashtra, there are modern names for that. If you identify yourself with the entire nation or the world, you'll be looked at in a different way. Essentially, your leadership will come from the right context depending upon what you're identified with. Because everybody needs an identity, what sort of identity have you taken will determine the context and the quality of your leadership. In that context, isn't leadership something that you know each of us can individually manifest if I were to describe one dimension of leadership as saying it is about taking ownership to create a better outcome. In that context, you know, we can convert leadership from a noun to a verb. I don't know that much grammar, okay? But you can try. See whatever we do, every human activity, the purpose of an activity is to produce something. Production may be a safety pin, a computer, love, joy, health, well-being, it doesn't matter what. We want to produce something. When we act, we want it to be effective. How small an act or how big an act is not the important, we want something to happen effectively which means it's a question of efficiency, it's a question of with how little how much more you could do. That's what makes you because all of us have the same amount of time in a day. People always tell me, Sadhguru, you had such a long day. I said, unfortunately, there's no long day, but you know, they give me only twenty-four hours. I would like to bargain for more but it's not happening. You can you can make it more by increasing your efficiency the way you function may including people as a part of yourself or other people will function as a part of you so that you don't have to bother about so many things around you. In this sense you can enhance what you do but time-wise all of us have the same time. We can't help it. So how much can you produce in how little time, in how much… how little material is the question? In the limited span of time which we have as life, what is it that we can do? Is it just about efficiency? Is it about simply mindless efficiency, do better, do better, no. At different times in history, people seem to want different things on the surface but essentially no matter which time of history, who they are, which part of the world they are, everybody wants the same thing, well-being. But their idea of well-being, everybody has their idea how to get there but everybody wants well-being, no question about that. It doesn't matter which part of the world you go, whether you came here a thousand years ago or today a hundred years later, you will see people will be still seeking well-being. In pursuit of well-being, maybe a hundred years ago somebody would be going in search of water, today you're going in search of the Wi-Fi cloud but still well-being. People's idea of well-being, whatever that is, but people are only well only when something beautiful happens within themselves. They think they're going to cause it to themselves by some means. But people have been happy before the Wi-Fi came. People have been happy before the automobile came. People have been happy before all the luxuries we are enjoying today appeared. So what I'm saying is, well-being, if you're in pursuit of well-being, essentially it is about what happens within the human being. What happens within the human being, in the name of so many things, I don't want to name all the things. In the name of so many things, what we call as family, society and another world which we call as corporate world, all these things we created, these are all different names or different mechanisms that we believe will bring well-being to us. Somebody built a family, somebody built a corporation, both in pursuit of well-being isn't it? I must tell you this. The first time I was at Davos so many years ago, they were almost resentful. What is a mystic doing in an economic summit? And a particular CEO who was running, was in charge of a top computer manufacturing company. Three months later they got sold out to the Chinese. We can guess who they were. So he was very resentful. What are you doing here? Then I told him, see, watch your business, he said, I do computers. So see whether you manufacture a computer or a safety pin or in between anything, fundamentally this is about human well-being. The basic business is human well-being. You may do it through your computer, somebody will produce safety pin, somebody will produce a clock, somebody will produce something else. It doesn't matter what you're doing, the fundamental business is human well-being and that's my business too. And that's why I'm here. So Satguru, you've talked about well-being, you know, one of the things that you say is it's all about how the body, mind, emotions and most importantly energy come together and I think you've said it very eloquently, which says, you know, when the body is very pleasant, we call it health, if it is feeling very pleasant, we call it pleasure and so on and you go on to say— Go all the way. Sorry? You can go all the way. I can go all the way. So when the mind is feeling pleasant, we call it joy when it is feeling very pleasant, we call it peace when, you know, the emotion as feeling pleasant, we call it love when it is feeling very pleasant, we call it compassion. When the energy is feeling pleasant, we call it bliss and when it is very pleasant, we call it… Sadhguruji – You are a very good student. Participant – So, so here is the question, can you just elaborate on what you really mean, what is the difference between bliss and ecstasy, you know, for… for people who are not mystics? What does… what does it look like? Sadhguruji – I think I need to clarify this acquisition of being a mystic. On a certain day, two cows were grazing on the English meadow, English cows. Participant – Got it? The Thomas Hardy kind. Sadhguruji – One cow said to the other, what is your opinion about the mad cow disease? The other one said, I don't care a hoot, I'm anyway a helicopter. So, what a mystic means is that there is no mistake about his perception as to who he is. So, there are only two kinds of people – mystics and mistakes. Participant – That's an easy one to remember. Sadhguruji – So, a mystic did not fall from somewhere else. Strive to pay attention to simple aspects of life, very simple things. Very simple things means extremely simple things. Just right now, how do you know that you're here? What is the basis, I'm asking? Participant – I am talking with you. Sadhguruji – Even when you're not speaking, you still know that you're here, right? So, how do you know? Participant – I'm perceiving that I am in this place. There is an audience here, we're in conversation. Sadhguruji – No, even if you close your eyes, you're still here, right? Participant – Mindfulness, I'm attentive to the fact that I'm in conversation. I'm conscious. Sadhguruji – You're conscious? Participant – I'm conscious. Sadhguruji – The reason that you know that you're here is because you're conscious. How do you know that you have a body? Participant – Because I can move my hand. Sadhguruji – So many things can move. Participant – But I am causing my hand to move. Sadhguruji – Fine, even if you don't move, you know it's there, right? How do you know? Because there is sensation in the body, right? Participant – Yes. Sadhguruji – If no sensation in your body, you wouldn't know whether it's here or not. No consciousness, you wouldn't know whether you're here or not. Participant – Right. Sadhguruji – Yes? So, these are taken for granted things. If you pay little attention to these things, you will see there's a whole world up there. There's a whole existence by itself. Just your sensation. If you pay enough attention, you know the nature of your physical existence. If you pay attention to what you're calling as my consciousness, you know the nature of your basic existence. Once you know the nature of your existence, that is when you can use this gadget well. I'm calling this a gadget because human mechanism is the most sophisticated mechanism on the planet. We are on top of the evolutionary heap, not for nothing. It's taken millions of years to manufacture you. Yes? Not a simple process. An enormous process has happened to get you to this level of neurological sensitivity, sensations, awareness, everything. So, these are the keys of your existence. But everybody is reading a book or they're looking into… they're looking at the cosmos through their iPhone. Nobody's paying attention to this because this is the basis of your existence. Only if you know this, you can employ this to its fullest capability. Even if you take your cell phone, the more you know about it, the better you can use it, isn't it? Right. The same with this. So what this whole unnecessarily exaggerated… exaggeration is not the word, unnecessarily decorated thing about self-realization means is, you know more about this or you know everything that's worth knowing about this. That means you can use this whichever way you want. If you want to sit still here for the rest of your life, you can sit. If you want to jump out and be active, you can do. If you want to do this and that together, you can do. Whatever you want, you can do because you know the mechanism fully in its entirety. Not just the physicality of it, but its entirety. So if you know this, suppose your body happens as per your instruction, your mind happens as per your instruction, your life energies happen as per your instruction, how will you keep it? Pleasant or unpleasant? Pleasant. Pleasant. At least for yourself, highest level of pleasantness. What you want for your neighbor may be debatable, but what you want for yourself is clear. So when you mean… when you want pleasantness, now generally if you are very pleasant, we say you are blissful. Now bliss can get boring sometimes. Okay? Yes? Pleasantness gets boring, isn't it? Sometimes you want some slosh to happen. Now you use ecstasy. But that slosh cannot be kept up. Bliss can be kept for your entire life. Ecstasy cannot be kept for your entire life. You go up and you come down. Or in other words, bliss is a sustainable level of pleasantness, the height of pleasantness. Ecstasy is not sustainable, but you can hit it often enough. At least a few times in a day you must hit it. You know, in the spirit of a free-wheeling conversation, I'm reminded of a film I saw about… I think it was fifteen years ago the film was made, which was a series of conversations with quantum physicists and some mystics to use that word. And the whole premise of the film was that the mystic and the quantum physicist is seeking an answer to the three basic questions, which are who am I, where have I come from and where am I going. I did not understand the film then. I am hoping that you would be able to throw some light on the three questions and, you know, what the physicists and the mystics are seeking. So you are asking me who you are? Kind of. See, it's all right to walk on the street, point at one of you and say, who are you? It's okay. You go to somebody and say, who am I? This happened in the Cincinnati airport. People had lined up to check in at the chicken counter. One man came briskly, jumped the line, went straight to the counter and thrust his ticket. The lady at the counter said, sir, there is a line, please. She said, no, no, I'm in a hurry. Well, she said, everybody's in a hurry. You're all getting on the same plane. So please stand in the line. Then he raised his voice, do you know who I am? She looked at him, promptly picked up the microphone and said, there is a man here who does not know who he is, can somebody help him? So you should never address this question to someone else. All these so-called whatever, I don't know, I don't want to make comments, they all picked it up because that Ramana Maharshi's book I think became famous in California. Everywhere you go, everybody's talking, who am I, who are you? Who am I is a question that should be addressed within you, digging every time you ask it, digging it deeper and deeper and deeper into yourself. You never go and ask somebody who am I, that smacks of something else. I was… I was teaching a program in Los Angeles and this is of like maybe 150-200 people, half of them are all Hollywood types and a whole lot of them look alike, many especially women, not because they're sisters, because they have the same doctor. And I'm teaching them an extremely simple process that they need to do every day, which is just twenty-one minutes, extremely simple. Just that, they're saying, Sadhguru, you're teaching us all these things, but Ramana Maharshi said, you don't have to do anything. Oh, Ramana came all this way from Tiruvannamalai. I said, yes, he is absolutely correct. You don't have to do anything. And he did nothing. He simply sat in one place like this, fourteen years. Rats came and bit into his thighs, festering wounds, worms came out of it, but he did nothing, simply sat. Said, you people are made like this, if a mosquito bites you, you'll call 911. You don't talk about doing nothing. Ramana talks about doing nothing, leave that. That's not your business. You are made like this, you don't talk about doing nothing. Ramana talked about who am I, who am I? You never utter this to anybody. Don't ever go on, please all of you. Don't go somewhere and ask them, someone, who am I? You can ask them, who are you? So, who am I is not even a question that you need to articulate. When I just said, the more you know about it, the better you can exist here. Not necessarily, don't always think about a human being like he's some kind of a machine, how much he has to produce, there's no such thing. But how he exists is important. When you sit here, how are you within yourself is important. What you wear may be socially important, what you drive may be important somewhere else, what kind of home you live in may be important for some other reason. But existentially there's only one thing important, how are you within yourself? Are you pleasant or unpleasant every moment of your life? In twenty-four hours, how many moments of pleasantness, how many moments of unpleasantness and how much support does it need to keep you pleasant? That's a question. Right now in pursuit of human well-being, we've ripped the planet apart and still well-being is not happening. Comfort has happened, convenience has happened, well-being for sure has not happened, isn't it? As a generation of people, we are the most comfortable generation ever. Never before anybody could even imagine these things. But we cannot say we are the most joyful or blissful or ecstatic generation, no. Are we worse than others? I don't believe so. Every generation, same nonsense. Some people live fantastic within themselves, others went through all the nonsense they had to go through. This is not because of what's happening to them. See, there are two kinds of suffering. Physical pain can happen to you because somebody may cause something to you, somebody is no food, they are in a war zone or somebody is poking you. I'm asking all of you. In the last twenty-five years, how many times it happened to you, somebody took a knife and poked you. For most of you, it didn't happen. Maybe when you're in your school, somebody poked you with a pin at the most or you were not even worth that, nobody poked you. They simply poked fun. They simply poked fun at you. Whichever. Physically, how many times suffering entered you from outside, very, very minimal. Rest is all self-help. You know in Tamil Nadu, the government has a scheme, namakanname. Namakanname, it means. That means people are on self-help, busy, causing suffering to themselves daily. See, it stands, whatever happens, say you will see people, most of them are driving their dream machines on Bangalore streets, all right. How many are driving joyfully? If the traffic light takes ten more seconds, they're freaking in their dream machine. Is it not a blessing that you bought this dream machine after working for whatever number of years? Why don't you… the traffic is making sure you stay in your dream machine for a little longer. What's your problem? I'm saying just about anything. People are suffering. So suffering is not happening because of something else. It's simply because people do not know how to manage their body, their mind, their energies, their emotions, nothing. Because no attention has been paid. No attention to the nature of who you are has not been paid. So who you are, who am I? Question is entirely internalized question, never to be uttered, never to be written down. Unfortunately somebody printed it, and the whole world is talking, who am I, who am I? You… Oh, this is okay if you're a inpatient. If you're an inpatient in Nimhans, you ask, who am I? That's allowed. That's allowed. If you're out on the street, you are not allowed to ask, who am I? You get me? You've also talked about… No, there are other two questions in that. Yes. Yes, yes. I'm waiting for those. Where are you going? There's only one way to find out. You must go and see. As I was saying just now, some things are best known only by experience. People want to know after my death, what will happen? I tell them, you must know by experience. Are you ready? No, then don't worry. Wait. Where did I come from? See, essentially what you're asking is, all these three questions put together, you're asking what is the nature of my existence. Am I this body? Am I this? Am I that? What am I? What is the nature? Because whichever way you look at it, you can prove I am that. Because for everything there is some substance. You can prove yourself to a woman, you can say I'm not this, I'm a human being, you can say I'm just a piece of life, you can say I'm God, somebody may think you're something else. Doesn't matter but for everything there is some substance. So you can argue for it but that's not the point. Really, what is the nature of your existence? Don't take this as some kind of a great philosophical or spiritual question. Please see it as a practical thing. If you want to know how to use this camera well, the more you know about it, the better it is. You agree with me? Hello? Similarly, if you want to use this, if you want to use this human being properly, the more you know about it, the better it is. So self-realization is a very practical thing, not an esoteric thing. What you think is esoteric is all the things that you don't have an understanding of you want to make it esoteric or you want to make it mystical. Let's understand this word mysticism or mystical. Anything that you don't understand will look mystical to you, isn't it? Suppose you don't know what's electricity, you have no concept of that. Now, I press something here, boom, lights come on. Very mystical for you, isn't it? See, if I just had a light bulb a thousand years ago, I could have claimed I'm God and it would have worked, came too late, you know. So, the more you know about it, the better you will live. This is not something that you seek at the end of your life. This should be the first step of your life, if you value your life. Yes? Knowing this should be the first step of your life. Very beginning of your life, this question should be asked. Can I tell you a story? Please. There was a bishop in the Greek Catholic order. The Greek Orthodox Church believes they are the only real Christians, others are not really Christians. They think they are the only pure Christians, others are not really that. They have their own pope in Istanbul. So, it became a very small group over a period of time for whatever reasons. So, being on the silk route, many fantastic stories from India are wafting across the buskers and these stories are going on about the mystics and the yogis and the magic of India, which the Indians have not seen and everybody else has seen. So, he always wanted to go to India. But being a man of cloth, he could not really choose where to go. After sixty years of age, when he semi-retired, he got an opportunity and he came to southern India. And he found the right kind of guides. Somebody told him, you go up this mountain and they gave him the landmarks and here there's one yogi, he is the right one to meet for you. So, he climbed up the mountain. The man is not made for mountains. You know, mountains demand certain things from you. So, he went up and as they had said, there was a yogi sitting in front of a cave. Blissed out. He went and he had heard that if you see an Indian yogi, you have to prostrate. But for that also, you need some fitness. This is a part of the Indian thing because that's the only exercise most Indians do. So, whatever you see, you just bow down. But now they've learned... A shortcut there too. The idea is to touch the floor. Every time, every time you keep doing it through the day, it's a good exercise. You don't have to spend extra time for exercise. So, he struggled and scraping himself and sat up. All this commotion, the yogi opened his eyes and smiled. So, the bishop asked, can I ask you a question? The yogi said, by all means. The bishop asked, what is life? This is after sixteen. The damn question you should have asked when you were six, at least sixteen you must have asked. No, sixty, all right? Better late than never. Sometime you asked. So, when he asked this question, what is life? The yogi went into raptures. And then he said, life. Life is like the fragrance of jasmine upon gentle spring breeze. The bishop looked like this, what? Fragrance of jasmine on gentle spring breeze. But our teacher told us, life is like a thorn. Once it gets into you, if you sit, it hurts. If you lie down, it hurts. If you stand up, it hurts. And you're saying it is fragrance of jasmine, spring breeze and all this stuff. The yogi smiled and said, well, that's his life. So, we have never paid attention to the most important dimension of who you are. And you do not know life any other way than the way it happens within you. Right. Yes? Right. You are the only doorway to the existence for yourself. You can only experience through this mechanism and know other way. If you don't know this, what the hell are you doing here? And just because you know this, people label you as a mystic, as this, is that. And many people mispronounce it as a mystic, you know? So, one of the other things that you've talked about is, you know, the mind. And these are my words or what I've understood or what you've said. You know, what the mind believes the heart follows. You know, what is in the mind is in the heart. In a sense, if I've got it right, unless I've got it wrong. And you know, because when you say that there is no difference between, you know, my mind is saying this, but my heart is saying something else. You're talking about a metaphoric heart or your heart heart? I am talking about metaphoric. I'm not talking about. Okay. Not the part. I'm talking about metaphoric heart, not the heart that is, you know, simply pumping. There is something else, you know, which I've read some time back, which says that, you know, you've got to search in your heart with your intellect. So, there are all these things which is about the mind and the heart and, you know, how you apply intelligence and perception to create awareness. And I think you've talked about that a little bit. Would you elaborate for us, you know, the concept of intellect, intelligence, perception and, you know, how we can use that in our everyday lives? This is a whole lot of enterprise going on in the world. By complicating very simple aspects of life, really. If you complicate something with incomprehensible words and if you have a lot of words to do it, then you will seem profound because anyway nobody can understand what the hell it is. So, searching your heart with your intellect, the thing that you're referring to as your heart is generally the emotional side of you. So, you're separating what is thought and what is emotion. Let me ask you a simple question. If you look at yourself carefully in your day-to-day activity, you will notice this. The way you think is the way you emote. Right now, if I think you are such a wonderful person, I will have sweet emotions towards you. Which I hope you're thinking. This is not a confession. If I have, if I think she is horrible, I'll have nasty emotions towards you. I cannot think you're wonderful and have nasty emotions towards you. I cannot think you're horrible and have sweet emotions towards you. It is impractical and it's not possible. People act those things and it never works. People, I hate her but I'll be nice to her. They will go like this and do like this. Have you seen this happening? Nice things are done in a horrible way. It is happening in families, among friends, whatever. Nice things are done in such a horrible way. If you want to do something horrible, just do something horrible at least. Don't spoil the nice things in a horrible way. So now, the question is just this, thought and emotion are they same or are they two different realms? They are not. Thought is agile. See today I can think, right now I think you're wonderful. Just next moment you did something I don't like, I think you're horrible. My thought immediately changes because he's agile. But my emotion is sappy. It'll take three days, it'll struggle and slowly turn around. It has a larger turning arc, but after three days it'll come my way. For some people it's three days, some people three months, but they will turn around, isn't it? Yes or no? The way you think is the way you feel, there is no other way. It is also true, the way you feel is the way you think also. It depends which is more dominant in you. In a person if emotion is forefront, the way they feel is the way they think. If thought is forefront, the way they think is the way they feel. You can't think one way and feel another way. That only happens temporarily for some time, but emotion will catch up. So Satguru, what is a creative mind? Oh, how big an answer do you want? As big as you want it. See the English word mind doesn't say anything because it's just one generic word which does not describe different dimensions of what the mind is. Mind is not just one something sitting here and doing something, okay? There is really no such thing as mind. In the yogic culture there is no mind. There is a physical body, there is a mental body because what you're calling as mind right now is a certain combination of memory and intelligence. There is memory in your body, more memory in your body than you can imagine. If I have to get it to you again, it's okay, I'm picking on you. You definitely don't remember how your great-great-great-great-great-grandmother looked like, but her nose is sitting on your face right now. Yes? Yes. You don't remember a thing consciously, but your body remembers one hundred percent. How ten generations ago your grandmother was, your body still remembers. A million years ago how your forefathers were, you're still your body remembers, isn't it? It's not forgotten and it's not going to forget. Your mind is not capable of this kind of memory. Your body has a trillion times more memory than your so-called brain. This whole shift towards the brain and intellectual process is a European malice. They gave too much significance to thought. This has happened because they lived under a subjugated society, religiously subjugated society where you're not supposed to think anything except what's written in some book, otherwise you're dead. They lived like this for a long time because of this, when they got little freedom to think and manage to live, they started celebrating their thought two months. Let's understand the context of thought. You can only think from the data that you already have gathered. That means you can never think anything new. You can recycle it, you can rehash it, you can produce permutations and combinations of it, but you cannot think something absolutely new. It is not in the nature of the thought to come up with something new. It can only recycle the past. That means if you dedicate yourself to your thought process, if you enshrine your thought process, you're ensuring nothing new ever happens in your life. So thought need not be celebrated like this. That's why in this culture thought has never been given so much significance. What you think is your psychological drama. We don't think much about that because it's your drama, your drama is important for you. Somebody else's drama, it's important for them. Everybody thinks their drama is the most important drama in the universe. This is everybody's experience because they're so identified with their own psychological drama. This psychological drama should not determine the nature of your life because this is just a small happening compared to the life process. Life is a much deeper intelligence than intellect. We can look at the yogic system, looks at the mind as sixteen parts. Those sixteen parts are further broken and they're taken up to eighty-four thousand parts. But now if I talk about eighty-four thousand, already there's a segment which says no. So I will make it four. I'm taking away eighty, okay? I'm being fair to you. Only four. Four fundamental parts. One is the intellect, which we have in modern world, in today's world, we are unnecessarily giving too much significance to intellect and we will pay an enormous price for this. You will come to a place where you'll know everything, but you'll know nothing of life significance, really. Today you will see this happening to children. For the first time, this generation you see, ten, eleven-year-old or twelve-year-old children, they look bored. When you were ten, eleven, you did not know what is boredom. It was not possible to stoo exciting, to be alive and looking around. You will see ten, twelve-year-old children all looking bored because they've seen the cosmos through their phone screen. They know it all. And especially in the western countries, you will see this happening at eight, ten. They're really bored. You'll see in the school buses, they're all sitting on the board. Because by the time you were twelve, you already had one love affair. You know what is a break. You know how to… all this recover from that. You've tasted alcohol, you've seen this. Probably you've gone into all kinds of physical things. And you know the cosmos, what more? By the time you're fifteen, there's really no purpose for you to exist for many of them. You should not be surprised. If this culture continues, I'm not saying this is a prediction, it is something that I see beginning to happen. In another fifty or hundred years' time, if twenty-five to fifty percent of the people commit suicide, you should not be surprised because life needs some exuberance. If too much information happens to you without experience, that exuberance will be gone and a sense of false sense of knowing becomes so strong in you. This is the danger of intellect because intellect wants to… intellect wants to dissect everything. Intellect is like a scalpel, the sharper it is, the better it is, it wants to dissect and know. Dissection works with some things, not with all aspects of life. If you want to know the poor frog, you know, you remember the poor frog that you crucified and cut and great knowledge you acquired from all that torture is unbelievable. How much knowledge you know? For the torture that that frog went through, how much knowledge you have acquired is quite unbelievable. All that you got to know. Now you got interest, suddenly you got interested, the mother that you had ignored, you want to know your mother today. Please get yourself a sharp knife, start the dissection. You may know everything about her liver, kidney, heart, but you won't have a mother left, that's all. So life cannot be known by breaking it up. You can know physical things by breaking it up. You cannot know life by breaking it into pieces, but this is the nature of the intellect. The whole modern science has evolved from human intellect because it's produced technological benefits, you can't argue against it because people, you know, yeah, they they think they're scientists, they know nothing about science. They're just enjoying their iPhone, they think they're scientists because they can do this. No, technology is fine, it's brought much comfort and convenience, but it will not bring life to us. So intellect is like this, intellect will be useful only depending upon what it is identified with and what is held, what holds this, how steadily. So the next dimension of the mind, the first one is called as buddhi which is the intellect, the second one is called as ahankara. Ahankara does not mean ego, this, that, it means the identity. Whatever you identified with, your intellect functions only around that. Simple, if you just identify with a nation, if you say I'm an Indian, everything Indian looks beautiful. If you cross the border and you say you're something else, all that looks beautiful. So whatever you identified with, it's only with that the intellect functions. So ahankara is the identity. How consciously and how steadily your ahankara has been created will determine the effectiveness of your intellect. Just because it's sharp, it does not mean it'll be effective because sharp intellect or a sharp knife can cause any amount of damage to you. If you have a sharp knife and you don't have a steady hand, you will cut yourself all over the place. That's all that's happening. Human suffering is just this, you don't know how to hold this intellect in your hand properly. Every day you're cutting yourself. All suffering is on self help because your own mind causing this to you all the time. No matter what happens, people suffer whichever way they suffer because they don't know how to hold this intellect. If you had the mind of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful. Yes? You're trying to do it in so many ways to reduce the sharpness of the intellect by drink, by drug, by overeating, by doing all kinds of things somehow to take away the sharpness because the damn thing hurts. It hurts not because that's its nature, it hurts because you do not know how to hold it. The next dimension of the mind is called as manas, which is a huge volume of memory. It is not here or there, entire body carries memory. So Mano Mayakosha, this is called a huge sack of memory. This memory is in various stacks. We'll not go into all these details considering some people have decided to clear no. They don't want to have a mind. I'm sorry, they don't want to know anything about the mind. So the fourth dimension of the mind is called as chitta. Chitta means it's pure intelligence. It is unsullied by memory. It has no trace of any kind of memory. It's just pure intelligence. If you touch this, then you have access to what you're referring to as the source of creation because all kinds of things might have been fed to you. God is this, God is love, God is compassion, God is kind, whatever, whatever. Somebody come, stand on the edge of this stage, say all the prayer you want to say and fall. Let me see whether compassion happens to you or a cracked bone happens to you. I would like to check, all right? All these things have been made up because whatever somebody is deprived of, they will attribute that quality to their idea of God. Your ideas of God have come only because you do not know what... how this whole creation happened. Because you don't have an answer, you made it up because you're human being, you said a big human being is sitting up there. Oh, how can you do all this? If somebody asks, he has ten hands, so he does lot of things, not like you, whatever. It's all right for children. But essentially because you do not know how creation happened, you are coming up with explanations. So that which is the source of creation, don't believe what I say, what anybody says. Pay attention to one piece of creation. Just take a flower, pay attention to this, pay an attention to a leaf or an atom or an ant. All you will see is phenomenal intelligence beyond anything you can imagine. Yes? But nobody told you God is intelligence. But this culture has said this to you in many ways. They told you Chidakasha, Chidambara and so many things. To tell you if you touch your chit, the whole existence becomes yours. Everything that's worth knowing is right here because you have access to the source of creation. So these are the four types of your... four dimensions of your mind. Unfortunately, the modern education thinks by just feeding information and keeping the intellect reasonably sharp, everything is going to happen. No. You will rip this planet apart looking for well-being. You may lose the planet or you may manage to go to another planet and start your work again there. But well-being will not happen. If well-being has to happen, you have to dig a little deeper into this one. Otherwise, no. Satpur, what are some of the things that all of us who are here listening to you? What are the one or two things that we can do tomorrow which will increase this level of awareness, perception, thoughtfulness? Oh, you're talking about a takeaway. In a sense, but an enduring takeaway. It's not light-hearted. It's not... You know, because we've... You know, we've heard a lot and I'm sitting here and saying, okay, so what do I do differently tomorrow? Let's say to learn ABC, the 26 alphabets. At least if you learn the Indian languages, you're not 54, whatever, 26 alphabets. How long did you take to learn to write them properly in their proper order and use them whichever way you want? How long did you take? Oh, I'm still at it. A long time. At least three, four years minimum. To learn to make sentences and use the way you want. Maybe you took twelve, fifteen years of education. Much longer than that, yes. So you gave so much just to learn some wordcraft. But to know something about the fundamental nature of your existence which could just change you dimensionally, you want to know it in two minutes. Why are you so unfair? No, I only want to know where to start in two minutes. Okay. Where to start? Just do this much before you go to bed today. One thing is every hour, okay? Remind yourself. Right now, it's going to be eight o'clock, eight o'clock remind yourself, wow, I'm still alive. I'm still alive. No, don't laugh. So many people who go to bed today will not wake up tomorrow morning. More than a million people on the planet will not wake up tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning, suppose you wake up. Yes? Who knows? You always think it's not me, it's going to be somebody. Very cruel. Tomorrow morning, if you do wake up, first check, am I really awake? Alive. I'm still alive, wow. Don't have to do anything, don't scream or something. What is one big smile? Okay, I'm still alive. Over a million people didn't wake up tonight, but here I am alive. Fantastic or no? What is the biggest thing in your life? You're alive right now. So you're still on tomorrow morning, just one smile, wow. Then maybe there are two, three, four people who matter to you much in your life. Just check he and she and that one and this one is alive. All alive, great. If one million people died tonight, which they do every night, at least ten million people lost somebody who is dear to them. But none of those who are very dear to you are gone today. Fantastic or no? Another big smile, don't tell anybody. Just smile, okay. Great. Eight o'clock in the morning, wow, eight o'clock. Still alive. Every one hour, just do this exercise, okay? Every one hour, just remind yourself. Check, on. Please understand this. If you think about God, you will become hallucinatory. Only when you are conscious about your mortality, will you want to truly know the nature of this life. When you know you're on right now and tomorrow morning you may be poof, gone. Now you want to know what the hell what is this? I'm real right now, but tomorrow morning gone. So many people who are so real and on suddenly gone. Can't believe where did they go? But you thought about it for ten minutes and then you got busy. You had to text, my father is dead. But remind yourself of your own mortality. Let the question deepen. If you can do it every moment, it's great. If you cannot at least once hour, remind yourself that you're mortal. You're not immortal, you're mortal. If you know that you're mortal, suddenly you will see in a few days you have no time to do any nonsense which doesn't mean anything to you. You will do only what really matters to your life. You have no time to do any rubbish with anybody. You will have time only to make the… do the best things that you want to do, what you truly care to do in your life and nothing other than that. And that's what you should be doing because it's a very limited amount of time. I want you to know it's a very brief life. That is if you're a joyful person. If you're a miserable person, of course it's a long life. So if you're joyful, if you live for hundred years, it's gone too quickly. If you're miserable, what a long life you will live, you know. So it's a very brief life. You should not be doing anything other than what truly matters to you, isn't it? Yes or no? But you're doing so much nonsense which doesn't mean anything to you, simply because you think you're immortal. Otherwise people are saying, no, I will live up to eighty, maybe hundred. So I will do this at seventy, I will, I will smile at my neighbor when I was seventy-five, you know, when all my work is done. When all the property issues are settled, after that I'll smile at him. There is no such guarantee. Has anybody here come with a guarantee card for two days? No, you could be dead tomorrow morning. I'm not wishing that. I bless you with a long life. But it's possible, right? Every day it's happening to a million people means, can't it be you and me tomorrow morning I'm asking? Yes or no? Yes. If you are conscious of your mortality, becoming aware will naturally happen because the significance of being alive will blossom. You used all kinds of words which are straight from the American coast, mindfulness, awareness, mental alertness. No, you need to separate these things. Being mentally alert will help you to survive better. If I'm mentally alert I can drive better, I can do my work better, I can do something else better, it's survival. Right. Awareness is not about survival. When I first asked you the question, how do you know that you're here, you went around and then you said, I'm conscious only because you're aware you're alive. Your awareness is aliveness. Your aliveness is awareness. The question is only about how alive. Lot of people think if they're 50% alive it's pretty good. Yes, you can survive 50%. But you need to understand if we want to torture somebody, if you want to torture somebody, what would you do? You'll kill them? Suppose you got employment in hell, let's say, you are given the job of torturing people. What will you do? Kill them? Hello? No. No, keep them half alive. If you keep them half alive that's called torture. So right now this is called self-torture. Maybe you're preparing for employment elsewhere. Because right from the age of two or three people, your parents are asking you, what will you become? What will you become? Well, I'm born as a human being. I'm supposed to strive to become a human being. See, every life on this planet, whether it is in a bird, if it's a worm, insect, bird, animal, tree, whatever, every one of them is striving to become a full-fledged life. And that's all. A worm is trying to be a full-fledged worm. A tree is trying to be a full-fledged tree. That's all a human being also, to become a full-fledged human being. No, no, what will you become means, what kind of job will you get from the age of three? This madness has come because of this whatever the last century of poverty in the country, people are so deprived and they think if they don't have a job, they won't eat anything. You know, it comes from a certain poverty consciousness. We must pass it, that generation is passed. Right now, if you have a few brain cells working, you can make a living. Yes? You don't have to be qualified for anything. If you have a few brain cells working in your head, you can make a living. That's not an issue anymore. There was a time it was like that. It's no more like that. It's time we leave that it's not about what you will become, how you will be, what will be the experience of your life, will it become the peak experience or is it just a mediocre nonsense? This is the question because once you have come as a human being, whatever happens, it's not enough. Something more needs to happen. Yes or no? You may think you're doing different things. The man who goes to the temple, the man who goes to the bar, the man who goes to work, the man who goes to conquer the world, every one of them is just seeking a larger slice of life. Some people go to the mall, some people go to the PDS, just like that. Some people think it comes free in the temple, so they go there, somebody else go to conquer the world, somebody goes shopping. What is it that you're trying to do? Just trying to have a larger slice of life. But it doesn't matter, if you gather the whole world around you, you will not have a larger slice. Your larger slice will happen only if your ability to perceive is enhanced. If your ability to experience is not enlarged, then you can have everything around you, still your experience is the same. Modern life is just that. No other generation had the things that we are having around us. Most homes are looking like a warehouse because they're shopping trips. They don't know where to keep it, everything is falling all over the people, there's no place for the people, full of things. But does it bring well-being or happiness or anything? No. You cannot determine the experience of what's happening within you from outside. It has to happen from within. And it is how enlarged your experience is, is how big your life is, not about socially how big people think you are. That may work socially a few things for you, but it doesn't work in terms of life. So when we say awareness, we are talking about the essential ingredient of life because only because you're aware, you're alive, isn't it so? Yes? Now the question is, how aligned? If we have to use an analogy right now, this light is blinding me. Now, if you reduce the voltage, it'll be like this, it'll light up only that much. But they want it to light up everything so they turned up the voltage. So if you turn down the voltage, you'll see only this much, if you turn it up, you'll see that much, if you really turn it up, you'll see the entire hall. Awareness is the same thing. Because you're conscious or you're aware, you know something. If you become little more aware, you will know something more. If you know little more aware, something more. All these words are connected. Pragna, the word guru, all these things are connected because pragna means you're conscious. Because you're conscious, depending upon the intensity of your consciousness, accordingly your vision of everything around you is enhanced. Now the word guru means goo means darkness. It's a four letter word, you know. Rooh means dispeller. So a guru is not supposed to teach you something. He's not supposed to give you a philosophy, not supposed to give you an ideology. It is just that he's supposed to throw little more light. Little more light means, if I suppose this hall is dark and you're only able to see the first two rows, you're not able to see them. If I flashed a torch light, you saw, oh, all those people, the whole world out there. But I switched off the torch. Then you know, there is something now I have to see. What do I need? I need a torch beam of my own. Okay? Right. This is the job. Because the children in the home where I am staying, they're declaring he's, he's not like a guru. He doesn't talk like a guru. He doesn't look like a guru. He doesn't walk like a guru. He's not a guru. I'm very glad. I'm getting certified. Yes, yes. Now, about seeing everything, the way it is, because if I want to walk through this, there are whole lot of people right now, belief systems. You believe in God, all right? Now, I know in the corporate world, people have shifted this, I believe in myself. Which is somewhat misplaced, but that's okay. Both are misplaced. They produce different kinds of impacts. Absolutely. See, belief means what? Essentially, belief means you're unwilling to admit what you do not know as I do not know. Whatever you do not know, you believe. If you believe, what it does to you is, it'll give you confidence. Confidence without clarity is a disaster. Right now, let us say, I cannot see these people. My vision is not clear. But I have great confidence. I'm going to walk through these people. You know what I will do? I'll step over everybody and go, because I'm very confident, the whole lot of people like this. If my vision is clear, I will go through this without even touching anybody. If my vision is not clear and I have no confidence, I will ask, please can somebody show me the way? But now I have no clarity, but I have confidence. It's a disastrous process. So believing in God, believing in yourself, believing in anything means it's just a B word, you know? You're just bullshitting yourself about something that you do not know. Right, right. What is the problem? What I know, I know, what I do not know, I do not know, what is the problem with this? If this much sincerity enters your life, come to this much. What I know, I know. What I do not know, I do not know. I don't believe anything. I don't disbelieve anything. I'm willing to look at everything. You will become a sensible human being and every one hour, you remind yourself you're mortal and you know, celebrate with a smile that you're still alive, you will see wonders will happen to you. Thank you. Great. So even a free flowing... It's eight o'clock. No, no, no, no. We have more time. We have more time. I was just going to say... I'm not saying that it's eight o'clock. You're still alive. Wow. We are all a collective celebration. Okay, so even a free flowing conversation is limited by time. We've got about 20 minutes left and what I'd like to do is throw the floor open to questions from any of you. My question is directly... I learned a simple process which says that, you know, whenever doubt arises, in our life, you know, doubt the doubt and whenever trust arises, trust the trust. So that helped me a lot in terms of my... So your question would be... My question is now... Yes, yes. The ultimate... Next step we are saying, the ultimate is a final step. I would like to ask is the solution or what we call motion. That is one area which, you know, I don't know how to take a, you know, step forward. I don't know whether my question is clear. You want to dissolve? Okay. That is the ultimate, you know, process. You need a barrel of sulfuric acid. Please sit down. Okay, can we have... No, we'll answer that question. Sure. Should we take one or two other questions if you're okay with that? But you won't get this kind of a question. Okay, we won't get this. All right. The reason why the so-called spiritual process has fallen upon ridicule in the world is, well, there may be few entrepreneurs who do their own things leave them. I'm not going into that. But the reason why spiritual process has become ridiculous on the planet is, because people try to do the highest things on the street side, without the necessary committed atmosphere, with the necessary focus, simply talk about mukti moksha, you know, in the previous generation, everybody talked about mukti moksha just about anywhere sitting, standing. Whenever life became miserable, they wanted to do it. When life became miserable, they want moksha. When it's going well, they forget about moksha. Their idea of moksha itself is convoluted. So this is important with all due respect to everybody who's spoken about these things. Maybe those things were spoken in a certain atmosphere to a certain individual towards a certain purpose. I think it's quite irresponsible, first of all, to print that in a book. And just everybody reads it without knowing the context of what it is, without having gone through the journey that person who asked that question has gone through. The question doesn't have depth. Answers we can give any number, all you will do is you'll pick up more words from today evening and it's not going to do anything. If you're serious about it, if you're really serious about it, if you're serious about your journey, leave all this, first of all, get rid of all the jargon, all the spiritual jargon. Just come to this much. How much of you is sense? How much of you is nonsense? Sit down and prejudice, just make an evaluation, just an accountant's job, okay? How much of you is... Let me use the right appropriate word, sense and how much of you is nonsense. Every day, see without, you will see it's not an easy job. And ask some of you, two friends of yours and two people who don't like you. Also to assess you, you know, you need a outside opinion, isn't it? Second opinion is always good. You will see it's a great cleansing process. Instead of talking mukti, moksha, disillusion, sushupti, something else, something else, these are all words. Anybody can pick up Sanskrit words. What is the point? Let's take all the scriptures, all the teachings, all the philosophies, all the great things that people have spoken about. All of them are worth nothing compared to a single existential step that you took inward. If you take one step, it is worth more than all the scriptures in the universe put together. Sadguru Narasimha said, you spoke about the energy manas titta ahantara lalai. The existence of all these is the basic, that is the body. And the body is the composition of the pancha bhutas. Each one has got his own energies. Would you kindly throw light on those high energies which is making us here speaking, listening to you and all that place. So pancha bhutas or these are called as the Mahabutas because these are the five elements which is the fundamental ingredients with which everything is made. Your body is five elements, the world is five elements, the whole universe is five elements. So when Adiyogi was transmitting this knowing to the seven sages who are today known as the Saptarishis, they wanted to know what is the nature of this creation. Where does it begin? Where does it end? He was bored with them, you know. Students can bore you, teachers can bore you, but students can bore you. They don't understand that. He was just bored with them. He said, all your great cosmos that you're talking about, how big it is, where it begins, where it ends, I can roll it all up and pack it into a mustard seed. That's efficient packing. Corporate, I thought. Nanu. Then they wouldn't leave there, but they said, what is the nature of this universe? By now he was too bored. He didn't want to waste his words. He simply said, just five. You just have to know five, that's all. Not five million, just five. Just see with five ingredients, how much mischief. Look at the variety that's happened in the universe. The size and the variety and the immensity of what's happened, just with five. Incredible or not? Out of this five, these four come from one. The other four, what you know as Sir, can you tell me? In what... In Canada, I'm not able to get the names. Anyway, earth, water, fire, air and space. So these five elements are in a certain composition in different aspects of life. Let's take life, not inanimate things, even there it is there, but in different lives, it is in different compositions. In you, seventy-two percent is water. Twelve percent is earth. Six percent is air. Four percent is fire. Remaining is space. When I say remaining, Vinita is calculating, okay, six percent Akash now. I said remaining is space. Because we are not talking about physical entities alone, not talking about the physical dimension alone. So hundred percent is not the quantity. As long as you measure the body, yes. Once you come to Akash, you are not talking about percentages. So what you are referring to as Akash, because the word Akash is being loosely used today in common language, the word Akash did not mean ska hai. It meant the fifth element. Because your eyes cannot see beyond the fifth element. Only in the night, you are able to see beyond that. During the day, what you see is just the etheric sphere. And because of the way light plays on ether, it all turns blue in your vision. Otherwise, you're just seeing, like suppose a cloud cover came, you're seeing only the cloud. That is the sky for you on that day. You say a clear sky, no, it is a etheric sky that you're seeing. It's an etheric bubble. Beyond the atmospheric bubble, there's an etheric bubble, there's an etheric bubble. Light dissipates in a certain way, refracts in a certain way there. Because of that, your vision closes there. Only in the night when there is no sunlight, then you are seeing beyond the etheric space. Now Akash is another dimension of perception and intelligence and existence. So your Akash, your water is here, your fire is here, your air is here, your earth is here, but your Akash is not just here, it's spread. Normally, for a person who is, let's say physically healthy and reasonably agile and active, for him his Akash is somewhere between nine to eighteen inches around his body. But if you do a little effort, this bubble can be expanded limitlessly. So today you're looking for the iCloud. There's already a cloud and this cloud can be enlarged. You can make it as large as this planet, you can make it as large this universe. It is just a question of your willingness, that's all. Your boundaries or how small your boundaries are, are question of your unwillingness to transact, isn't it? Let's say your social boundary. How big your social boundaries or how small it is, is a question of willingness and unwillingness in terms of your social activity. Similarly, existentially, how willing this life has become or how unwilling this life has become. Why would I be unwilling? That's the question. You need to understand this. Because things are packaged one inside the other, life is made in such a way, what you call as life is also death at the same time. Right now you can say, I'm living or you can say, I'm dying. Actually you're dying, one day it'll be complete. Yes, sure. Whether you call it living or dying, it's the same thing. But we are looking at it as two different things. The moment you look at it as two different things, that's why the mortality process. The moment you look at it as two different things, you will accept one part of it, you will resist another part of it. Once you resist, if you resist death, you will not resist something called as death, you will only avoid living. Right now, today tomorrow morning you start the chant, I don't want to die, I don't want to die, I don't want to die, I don't want to die. All that will happen is you won't live, whether you will die or not, we don't know, but you will not live for sure. Right. So because life is is inclusive, but intellect is exclusive, always it wants to cut and see what is life, what is death, there is no such thing. They are intermingled, both are happening at the same time. Because of this, Akash, if you are able to perceive your Akash consciously, suddenly your ability to know is just effortless. You can have the luxury of remaining uneducated and still be okay. You can still be okay, even if you're uneducated because everything that's worth knowing about life is here in these five elements. So the most fundamental aspect of the yogic process is called Bhuta Shuddhi. Every yogic practice, whatever you do is a little extension or little extract from Bhuta Shuddhi which means cleansing of the elements. If you do enough of this, then you arrive at what is called as Bhuta Shiddhi. That means you have some mastery over your elements. If you have mastery over your elements, your body will happen the way you want it, your life will happen the way you want it, your destiny is determined by you. Not only that, even things around you will happen the way you want it. Lives around you will happen the way you want it. Plants will flower out of season. Things will happen in ways that you thought not possible. Is this something supernatural? Is this superhuman? No. This is not about being superhuman. This is about realizing being human is super. And the nature of the five elements, what they are, how they function, an enormous amount of study and science and experiential dimensions to it has been done in this land. Unfortunately, we are ignoring all that and trying to handle everything on the chemical level for health and well-being, which is a very, unfortunately, very rudimentary way of handling life. When we see all this, this whole way of treating human beings with chemicals and stuff has become relevant only because we are overpopulated and too crowded and all this. If you are little more spread out, if you lived in your own land, if you lived in the jungle, you most probably did not get any infectious diseases, okay? Only for infectious diseases, chemical warfare is okay. But for chronic ailments, it's something that happening because you lost fundamental balance. One most fundamental thing is if one of the elements is not in tune, this will do horrible things to you. So one simple way is, in this culture they taught you, if you have to eat your food, first you bow down to it. You are not saying thank you to any God. Okay, please don't do this. If at all if you want to thank somebody, thank that poor farmer who doesn't eat what he grows and gives it to you. We are not thanking any gods. We are not looking up and saying, thanks for the daily bread, whatever. We are just bowing down to the food because we know how you treat the food accordingly it behaves within you. Today there is enormous amount of study which shows, for example, water. This water has enormous memory. If I just as much as look at it in a certain way, its molecular composition changes, not the chemical composition but the molecular composition changes and it behaves differently. Lot of experimentation has happened about this and today they've come up with something called imploding water where some of you might have experienced this. Suppose you went to a waterfall and the water that is falling with great force, if you touch the water, it feels silky. Have you ever noticed this? Yes? If it goes down two miles and then touch it, it won't feel like that. Only there it feels silky because the water is imploding into itself. Now they've created imploding machines, you can implode the water and you feed this water to your plants. With ten percent of irrigation, you can get the same results simply because the water is imploded. These imploding machines which were made in UK, we are kind of getting them for the local farmers so that the water is imploded with minimal water you can grow the same crops because just changing the molecular composition changes so much. We've always known this, this is why why do you think people go to a temple and they're dying for the two drops of water because the water is supposed to have the memory of the divine. Supposed to be in touch with the deity and there is supposed to be memory and you take it and it's supposed to work. If this whole science is managed properly but today we don't know how it is in most of the places but the possibility of changing the how the water behaves within you just by treating it differently. Before drinking, just bow down to the water, don't see it as a commodity, it's not a commodity. It is life-making ingredient. This is more important than your mother, father, your children, anybody, isn't it so? What is in this vessel right now? Please tell me I want you to hear that. Yes. Yes, because if you don't drink it for one day you will not want anybody. You want only this. No, we're talking about the real thing. So the five elements, if you learn to handle them properly, simple thing, whatever, the earth that you walk upon, air that you breathe, water that you drink, food that you eat and the sky. Three times a day consciously, just put your hands together for these things. These are the life-making ingredients. Your life is made out of this. Just approach it differently. You will see your health situation, your sense of well-being, your stability, everything will be greatly enhanced. If you want to do proper practice of Bhuta Shuddhi, please come. We have elaborate systems of Bhuta Shuddhi. Probably nowhere else in the world right now these kind of systems are offered, but they will need a certain amount of preparation and absolute dedication to pursue them. It's the first time that I'm seeing you alive. So I have a basic question which will help everyone here. Everyone talks about, you know, knowing ourselves and the first step is going inside and then the way to go inside is meditation. And when I… Please, I don't… I never said such things. I don't know which everyone said those things. That is the question. Inside what? You're already inside the hall. Inside what? Inside absence. Okay, that is the truth of the first step of knowing answers for all the questions. If going inside is the answer, then how do we do that? First of all, you must understand what is inside, okay, and what is outside. If you do not understand what is inside and outside, then you will go to all the wrong places. Now what is inside? Your body accumulated over a period of time. Yes or no? Hello? Ma? What you accumulate can be yours, cannot be you. Is that much clear? Whatever it may be. What you accumulate can be yours, cannot be you. So this body is an accumulation. What you call as my mind, the whole content of the mind is accumulated. Depending upon what you're exposed to in your life. So your body is a heap of food, smaller big. Your mind is a heap of impressions, again smaller big. Between these two heaps, where the hell are you? So inside, outside, leave these words because when it comes to language, there is only that much leeway. So within that, maybe different people are trying to use it in different ways. We don't know in what context they used. You put everybody into one bundle and said, all of you said this, I don't know who these all people are. Different people employ different methods around them, looking at the people around them, what was best suitable for the people around them. Accordingly, they would have worked most probably. If they are genuine, they would have worked with the people around them, not with concepts from somewhere. What looking at an individual person, you will do something. What works for that person, what you do with this person, may not work for another person. You will have to do something else with that person. But you are talking about a generic inward-outward. So first determine what is inward-outward. Everything is outward right now. The world is outside. Body is also external material. All the material in the mind also is external. So what is this inward you are talking about? Then you will immediately say, atma, paramatma, soul, this one. Now you are going into belief system. You don't know. You know you have a body, yes? Hello? Yes. Please check your neighbors. You know you have a body. You believe you have a mind. But to some extent you know. But rest is belief. Yes or no? Yes. I am not questioning whether it's true or false. Let's not go there at all. But it's belief, it's not yet in your experience. If you talk about something which is not yet in your experience, to put it bluntly, you're just a bloody liar. That's what it means. But because lies are holy, lies are written in scriptures, light as repeated by all kinds of people who are dressed in different ways, which are supposed to be holy, though ridiculous. Because of this, you're not supposed to question these words. Anywhere you go, first thing is people say, «Sadhguru, what about the soul? Asam, which soul? Right or left? So let's not talk about something that is not in your experience. Right now your body is in your experience to some extent. Your mind is in your experience to some extent. Rest you don't know. But we can infer, if I have to accumulate this much body, if I have to accumulate this much mind, something more fundamental must be there. Yes? Something more fundamental must be there. We don't know what the hell it is. For now we will call it you. How you will go into yourself? I'm asking. You can go into this hall, you can go out of this hall. How will you go into yourself? I'm asking. Saying, let's leave this. This is not the way. You do this way. What is not you? All those things you keep it aside. Before today, if you... before you go to bed, everything that's not you, keep it aside. They may be precious to you. You think about it, your house, is it you? Oh, my house. All right, you have lots of passion about it, but all right, keep it aside. Your husband, is it you? No, that's easy. He's not me. My children are... Is the... Are they me? Oh, little difficulty, but no. They're not me. They're beginning to tell you if they have twelve, they have already told you. So the clothes that you wear, is that you? No. The body that you wear, is that you? No. All these thoughts and emotions, is this you? No. Everything that's not you, keep it in one heap. Not physically. Just do this mentally. Keep everything aside. Let me see. Every day you practice this, one day when you successfully keep everything aside, that you are not, what you are, will be there. We have too many ideas about things that we have not seen. It's a big problem. Shankaran Pillai went to Britannia. Can I? Can I add the story? Yes. Shankaran Pillai went to Britannia Industries to find a job, to find a job. So they were looking for a really smart, forcing sales manager. So they asked him one question. Which is further? Mumbai or moon? Shankaran Pillai thought. He said Mumbai. He said what? Mumbai is further than the moon? He said yes. How? Well, I can see the moon, I can't see Mumbai. So what I'm saying is, if you go by your present perception, you will get all the wrong conclusions. So don't be in a rush to make conclusions. Let's pay little more attention. You are a worthwhile life which deserves some attention, isn't it? Don't seek other people's attention. Your own attention, doesn't this life deserve attention? Pay attention to this. Enough attention, everything will be clear. Everything about you, you're asking me, if I tell you what do you have, you have some more words. Some more words you have, that will not get you anywhere near the truth. One more word or ten more words doesn't get you any closer to reality. Just you'll have more things to say to somebody else. This kind of hearsay is spreading in the world. Everybody knows where God is, who his wife is, how many children he has, when is his birthday, his address. In every bhajan people are singing his address, where he is and how to get him. But they don't know a damn thing about themselves. This kind of what to say, a very knowledgeable ignorance is dangerous, you know? If you do not know, it's not a problem. If I see I do not know, the possibility of knowing is always there, isn't it? If I do not know and I think I know, then I've destroyed all possibilities. So we have arrived at many things, we know, in every culture they know what is the nature of God, where he resides, how the ambience is there and the works, you know? Everybody knows the geography of the heaven, isn't it, don't you? But you don't know a damn thing about yourself. It's time, it's time we pay attention because everything you know, you know it only the way it's projected in the firmament of your mind. You don't know anything any other way, yes or no? So what you need to fix is, you are seeing everything in a mirror of your mind and the mirror is wonky. First fix it. First thing is to make it stable, flat, proper plain mirror so that you see everything the way it is. Does a plain mirror show you everything the way it is? Everything reverse, you know? Then you will have to flip it. That will take much more skill. Most people can't flip a dosa. Now to flip the whole universe, the whole life that is reflecting in your mind to flip it over without shattering it into pieces will take much more. But the first thing is to level out the mirror so that it shows you everything the way it is. Not some other way. Right now everything is seen depending upon how you're identified with something. Every identity has distorted the mirror of your mind and it shows you things in completely different way than the way it is. First thing is stop talking about things that you do not know. No soul, no Atman, no Paramatman, no God, no divine, no heaven. Talk about something that you know and then the longing to take the next step will become strong. Otherwise, when you know the geography of the heaven what is the need to pay attention to anything? Very dangerous. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. You can go for it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.