 This kind of campaign essentially put the government in the role of suppressing legitimate public policy debate, public health debate, about what the right strategy ought to be. They put their finger on the scale. The idea was to create this illusion of consensus around the lockdowns that didn't actually exist. I mean, I think quite dangerous and led to tremendous bad outcomes for people all around the world. I think it's very dangerous for public health to think that it has a monopoly on the truth.