 You have no microphone at all Kerry did you come here please sit in your desk Richard home and Manny has no mic do we know what happened to me you just won't be able to talk tonight perhaps you can share for tonight I apologize I don't know what happened okay before we start the meeting welcome everyone thank you for attending tonight's meeting to the public welcome to the meeting too so please read to the quote of the week thank you respect for ourselves guides our morals respect for others guides our manners call the 12th regular meeting on the common council of order please call the roll born here sir to Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky Ryan Susha Vanderweel and for hassled 16 present always present hold on Meyer would you please lead us a pledge allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you all when Meyer rule of the minutes president Burke thank you and I would ask that we move that we dispense with the reading of the minutes and that you have proved is entered into the record motion second to approve the minutes any discussion there being on all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries resignations attorney Adams one resignation submitting a resignation from the Blue Harbor Resort Convention Center Committee because it conflicts with his work schedule signed by Jeff Ratke six district dollar person I'd ask for a motion to accept and file which in second any discussion on that all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries resignation accepted and then mayor's appointments submitting the following appointments to the business improvement district for your consideration rick scroggins mary and keither and Mike van der steen for new three-year terms to expire September 11th 2009 signed by mayor Perez these appointments will lie over thank you attorney Adams election of the board of water commissioners president Burke thank you and I don't move that nomination voting to be done by open belt and the more than two candidates are nominated the candidate with the lowest number of votes be dropped from the list and balloting continue until one candidate received the majority motion in second I further than move to place in a nomination the name for the position of a board of waterworks commissioner of Alex Hendrickson second to it's Allen excuse me Allen Hendrickson Hendrickson Allen or there any other nominations for are there any other nominations are there any other nominations president Burke yes I will move that we cast unanimous ballot for Allen Hendrickson we shouldn't second to cast a unanimous ballot all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries congratulations next we have public forum I'm city clerk the first on the list is Dalty Johnson and Dalcy can you give me your home address please 1306 North 3rd Street is it on yes yes you'll have five minutes Dalcy thank you mayor Perez and members of the council it appears that where the new police station will be built has finally been resolved and although I still feel the police station should be downtown at City Hall you must now turn your attention to what will be built and in this regard I have several concerns I understand that there is no determined blueprint yet but I have heard enough of what has been requested to express my thoughts I attended the capital improvements commission meeting on September 6th and after listening to their discussion of alternatives see no reason why a new police station cannot be built for the nine million they agreed on rather than 13 a half million and I urge all of you elected representatives to support this recommendation on behalf of your constituents there is a request for a large exercise room and comparisons have been made to the facility that acuity provides their employees the state does not require cities to provide an exercise room for police departments and since there are adequate private facilities throughout the area I hope you will eliminate this request from the final building plan and consider the pocketbooks of your constituents rather than the request of a department where half of the personnel choose not to live in the city and thus do not share in the cost of their demands I've also been told that there is a request for a rather large conference room to allow hosting other police departments from around the state I hope you will also eliminate this request as the city has free use of the Blue Harbor conference center 30 days a year and provides adequate space for such events tonight's agenda includes a request from the BTW BDPW for use of the Blue Harbor conference center for a meeting of the Wisconsin chapter of the American Public Works Association in 2008 they are not asking the city to build a conference room for this occasion we heard chief Kirk in his argument for building at 23rd Street site state that slab on grade is the cheapest construction so it makes perfect sense to eliminate the plan for an underground parking garage to cut construction costs and further to act on alderman-born suggestion that instead of a brick and mortar garage you could build a 20,000 square foot metal building at a cost of $30 a square foot rather than $180 a square foot for a savings of three million tax dollars also as alderman sushi has pointed out the area where an officer is in greatest danger is alone with a prisoner in an elevator eliminating an underground parking garage and elevator would eliminate this danger nicely I understand there is also a request for a private bathroom and shower for the police chief you need to ask yourselves if this is a necessary expenditure how many other department heads have a private bathroom to say nothing of a private shower the mayor the finance director the city clerk the DPW head the city attorney the city planner I think not so why should the police chief have a private bathroom and shower it makes good sense to combine the public works and police vehicle maintenance at the public works department assigning one maintenance person to work in police cars someone was concerned about how the police officers would get their cars if this is done well it would seem to me that the officers would drive to the DPW park their car and pick up their squad car and I hope you will work toward a county dispatch center such as rock County has established finally you as elected representatives of the people need to take control of the building of this facility and demand that the architects stop consulting with chief Kirk and numerous police personnel and instead consult with you in determining what will be built I have read the report of the visit to the Jamesville police station and I'm impressed with the thinking of their chief Jamesville with a population of 62,000 told Zimmerman to build a station for 5.2 million the 30,000 square foot project came in at 4.6 million including furniture they did not build an exercise room a community event room was eliminated to reduce square footage and the budget they use the holding cells at the county jail they utilize the county's dispatch center the municipal court uses the circuit court vehicle maintenance is done at the municipal garage with one technician designed designated for police squads no turf battles there I applaud your decision to hold the budget and tax levy at the 2006 levels I know the mayor has met with department heads with the goal of achieving a cut of 1.8 million from their requests as Alderman Susha said we need to think outside the box about how we can do things differently and I hope you will turn your attention to how you can provide services to your constituents at a lower cost there are alternatives even so with the new assessments my taxes will go up 600 dollars and the thought of paying another 100 plus dollars a year for 20 years for a new police station is unacceptable so I ask that you support the economies that can be achieved in building a building an adequate police station and not a Taj Mahal that would rubber stamp the requests of the department where half of the employees do not even live in this city excuse me tell you're five minutes or would you like an additional minute please thank you there are actually people in this city who don't think a new police station is needed period I know that there are deficiencies that needed that need to be corrected and I have no problem with giving the police what they need to provide public protection and safety but I question whether some of the requests that have been made will do anything to enhance the safety of the citizens of Sheboygan your constituents desperate desperately need property tax relief and you can provide that by downsizing the cost of the new police station from 13 and a half million to nine million thank you thank you don't see next on the list is Carter Paul is and Carter could I have your home address please 414 Erie Avenue and you will have five minutes sir thank you thank you your honor ladies and gentlemen of the Common Council I'm sorry but if I repeat some of the things of the cogent arguments that to the previous speaker Dulce Johnson gave I can't help it has already been written but I start off with somebody's dream wishes list is a taxpayers nightmare the first question and you might want to get out your pencils why are we paying an architect $180 a square foot for a police station when you could do this for down to a hundred and twenty five dollars a square foot which on a sixty three thousand square foot Taj Mahal that would save the taxpayers three million four hundred and sixty five dollars why are we paying an architect a hundred and eighty dollars a square foot for a twenty thousand square foot garage when you could do this for thirty dollars a square foot that would save the taxpayers three million dollars why are we spending one point seven million dollars for an exercise facility that many of the officers will not use and is not even a requirement of our police department as stated by the chief at the last committee meeting this would save the taxpayers one million seven hundred thousand dollars your honor ladies and gentlemen of the Common Council why are you wasting the tax may only money taxpayers money to the tune of eight million one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars shall we now venture into the bathroom count of this Taj Mahal with approximately twenty seven bathrooms we are already a laughing stock around these parts with our three hundred thousand dollar park bathrooms a taxpayer could build a rather nice house for that kind of money why is the architect reporting only to the police chief all this time when the mayor and Common Council are the legal authorities of this city perhaps I'm talking to the wrong group or persons the police chief reported at the last Common Council meeting he had assigned seventeen police personnel to the study of this Taj Mahal facility Taj Mahal are my words as we come to the close of this unbelievable project perhaps the seventeen personnel may want to start their own architectural firm and we could remove seventeen of those bathrooms from the plans along with seventeen less personnel thereby saving the taxpayers more money your honor ladies and gentlemen of the Common Council why are you abrogating your elected legal authority to a department head that is not what the taxpayers elected you for and now we request that if you can't do the correct thing here then place this whole issue on a referendum so you can get the voice of the taxpayers before you make your decisions now that we have cleared up the air on who is in charge your honor ladies and gentlemen of the Common Council the taxpayers demand you stop wasting our hard-earned money and turn this force highest city in the seventh highest taxed state in the union around for the benefit of the taxpayer and not somebody's dream list thank you very much thank you card next on our form would be dimple Adams and dimple can I have your home address please 1424 Virginia Avenue Susan can you let me know when there's one minute left of my normal five minutes please and I want to make the same mistake that I did last time thank you go ahead good evening our council mayor and Miss Richards and also Mr. Adams over there it's nice to see you here it's good to be here again tonight and I don't know after listening to Mr. Paulus and Miss Johnson I say let's just keep them in the cell or where they are what do you think nobody wants to spend any money to do anything now in the last five years there's been we've lost count of how many studies there's been on what the needs assessment is for the shop wagon police station not for Jamesville not for Odell not for Appleton not for Madison not for Chicago but for a Sheboygan and Sheboygan needs department has been all along that we have a 60 something thousand square foot building it needs to house a garage a maintenance department it needs a conference room it doesn't need to be gold bricks as some alderman have said it doesn't need to be a Taj Mahal as some of you like to say that isn't what the police is asking for they're asking for an efficient place to do their job now I really think they've been patient they've been there since 1917 right where they are so I think that it's been patient now I'd like to see this mayor take the same passion that he took when he was president of the school board and said that we need to build it now because costs are gonna go up and you were right Mayor Perez when you were president school board and I'm delighted to see the construction at North High School and South High School and had you had that same concept when you took this job we would already be in a 10,000 point to a 10 million point to police station over there at Sheridan Park we'd still have half Sheridan Park we'd have a police station that's complete but I say if you're not willing to build it and build it complete then why bother because then you are gonna waste my tax dollars and I don't want that anymore it is time to build it it is time to quit talking about it it is time to not have a referendum if you're gonna have a rent a referendum don't do it on the cost but do it on what you're gonna build you're either gonna build what Sheboygan needs or you're gonna chop it up and then we're gonna have part of this police station down at DPW we're gonna have part of it somewhere else we're gonna have the exercise I can't believe you think that the policemen don't need an exercise room you know do you want them to be in good shape or not right now their exercise room is in the boiler and only about two people can work out I can't believe that you don't want to do this right but if you don't want to do it right let's don't do it at all that's all I have to say tonight thank you thank you temple last on the list would be John Burner and John can I have your home address please 1919 Broadway and you will have five minutes sir okay thank you a couple things right off the bat is we're having a shortfall of money for taxes and I can't understand that and some other people can't because a lot of a lot of people I talked to their tech assessment went up 20 to 30 thousand even if you leave the base rate as the same taxes are going up and who really came out ahead is the school system because they don't alternate or lower their tax tax rate or in the county so the county made out on this with our assessment being raised wasting money the listening sessions were wasting money the survey was a waste of money and I thank the mayor for acknowledging we do have a drug problem because I won the listening session there was a little argument about that I listened to people talk about Taj Mahal we're not talking about a Taj Mahal we're talking about a police station police station to cover the city of Sheboygan police officers to cover the city of Sheboygan basically a police station is a command post in that command post is everything that they operate with to spread it out it's no longer a command post it wasn't the taxpayers that led this thing so long it was a common counsel and other people the price went up and now people who backed all this milking around now say well it's costing too much well people like you made it cost too much thank you the police department is a very essential office or department in the city you have a lot of crime and on the national route news the crime rate has gone up people speaking that we don't need this and please don't need that have nothing to do with the police department they know very little about police department they might pay a ticket once or they might walk by it to be involved in it no I don't even know how you can comment on it I my wife for the first time has really gotten mad and she really doesn't get in getting mad if it takes 13 million to build what the police department needs to operate as a efficient police department that's what it takes I asked for the site to be put on a referendum it wasn't this shouldn't be put on a referendum neither you people make the decision you people got us into this you make the decision on it and I hope it's the right one because splitting up a police department you're asking for trouble right down the road thank you thank you John that's it next item on the agenda is a hearing to change the zoning of properties located at 1016 1020 1024 a 1028 and 1032 a Ghillie Avenue from class neighborhood commercial to neighborhood residential classification is there anyone here that would like to address the council is there anyone here that would like to address the council is there anyone that would like to address the council president Berg yes I moved out the hearings to close motion second to close hearings meeting discussion there being non-olds in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries thank you consent agenda President Burke thank you your honor I would move to approve and file all the our role is a proven adopt all the RC's and put all the general ordinances about their passage motion and second under discussion here I'd like to abstain from I'd like to pull a while side resolution or report from committee number 1214 and have a separate vote on that 1214 being pulled out for a separate vote 1214 and RC by public works recommended filing documents submitting a communication from the Salvation Army requesting a one-year extension on the lease with the city on the property on Huron Avenue for their daycare center and granting the extension at the current rate is there a motion to accept and adopt the report committee second second to accept and adopt under discussion there being one please call the roll born Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness yes you want to withstand that's okay that's right so I'll have you abstain thank you Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel and for household 15 eyes one extension motion carries once again consent agenda 12-1 to 12-18 except in 12-14 which has already been voted on any more discussion please call the roll Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled and born 16 eyes motion carries communications and petitions all amendment wheel thank you honor if I could just pull forward a 10-25 okay we're 10 would I be able to pull that forward some matters it's a matters laid over let me get to that if you don't mind I've already asked for to be referred we'll get to it real quickly here communications petition 12-19 and 12-20 to be referred the Port of Officers to 12-21 by the Board of Waters water commissioners responding to the finance committee's request for information on the whole cell water rates charged to the communities of colder and Sheboygan Falls I asked for a motion to accept the file President Burke I moved to a second file we should in the second on the discussion all of us Susha I believe you're talking about document 12-21 yes I'd like that referred to finance you need to make a motion because there's already been a motion to accept and file right and a motion to refer to finance would take precedence I would move to refer that to finance please there's a motion in second any discussion on that all those in favor say aye opposed 12-21 report of officers to will be referred back to committee which committee was that over finance finance okay 12-22 to 12-21 be referred with 12-25 all men and will did you want to say something about that at the end I'm sorry I was 1025 that I wanted to pull with 1025 I'm sorry okay okay and the reason I want to pull that is because the citizens here wanted to leave after we acted on it so if I could just put the accept and adopt the arrow and put the put the ordinance upon his passage and put the ordinance on us okay we're going to accept all of under wheels request to act on 1025 and our own number 1950607 by city plan Commission recommended rezoning property located at 1016 1020 1024 a 1028 103 1032 a Geely Avenue from class neighborhood commercial to class neighborhood residential any discussion who's second then thank you please call sir to I Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born and bird 15 eyes one abstention motion carries resolutions introduce 3 1232 by Alderman graph authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute I'm sorry we're gonna go forward 1234 and that will be by Alderman graph Hannah Clowness authorizes the borrowing of four million dollars and providing for the issuance and sell of water utility revenue bond series 2007 therefore Alderman graph I would move that the resolution to put upon its passage motion in second under discussion there being on please call the roll Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Berg and sort of I 16 eyes motion carries 1232 by Alderman graph authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute an amendment to offer up to offer the purchase on the graph thank you your honor on 1232 I would move that that resolution be put upon its passage we need a motion to suspend first I'm sorry I would move or I would ask for suspension motion in second is there any objection there being on please proceed then then you're on I would make a motion that the resolution be put upon its passage motion in second put the resolution upon its passage under discussion there being on please call the roll graph I Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta and Davis 16 eyes motion carries 1233 by Alderman Vanderwheel and Clowness calling for an advisory referendum on setting the spending cap for construction of a new police station facility at 13 by 13 million 500,000 under my Alderman Vanderwheel thank you your honor I'm gonna make a motion to file the resolution motion in second to file the resolution under discussion under discussion your honor I worked hard with the city attorney and Alderman Clowness to come up with a referendum statement that was not misleading or confusing and after reviewing it constantly and discussing it with my fellow Alderman I feel that we may have failed to do this so I feel that's the right thing to file it at this time thank you in more discussion there be it on please call roll Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta Davis and graph 12 eyes for knows motion carries 1235 lies over 1236 through 1240 to be referred for part of committees 6 1241 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 71 95 based on the failure to reveal all violations and failure to cooperate with the committee all in Ratke thank you your honor I asked at the report of committee be accepted adopted motion in second under discussion discussion is Kelly Baxter here this evening she's not here this evening he's not here this evening your honor thank you any other discussion be a nun please call roll Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta Davis graph and Hannah 16 eyes motion carries 1242 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 6420 based on her record of convictions related to the license activity all in Ratke thank you your honor ask with the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion in second under discussion under discussion is Crystal Downs here this evening she's not here this evening your honor thank you all in Ratke any any other discussion there being none please call roll Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah and Kittleson 16 eyes motion carries 1243 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7209 based on failure to reveal all violations and his record of convictions related to the license activity all in Ratke thank you your honor I'd ask that the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion in second under discussion under discussion renard Baker's renard Baker here this evening he's not here this evening your honor any other discussion if not please call roll Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson and Clowness 16 eyes motion carries report of committees 7 1244 by law and licensing recommended denying taxicab driver's license number 1521 based on his driving record and his not having a valid driver's license for failure to reveal all violations and to cooperate with the committee all in Ratke thank you your honor I would ask that the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion in second under discussion under discussion this Allen Holden here this evening thank you all in Ratke any other discussion there being none please call roll Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness and Manny 16 eyes motion carries 1245 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7206 based on failure to cooperate with the committee and her record of convictions related to the license activity all in Ratke thank you your honor I would ask that the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion second under discussion discussion Brianna Graham's here this evening I do this evening your honor thank you all in Ratke any other discussion there being none please call a roll Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt born Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 16 eyes motion carries 1246 by law and licensing recommended withdrawing beverage operators license application number 7200 on the request of the applicant all in Ratke thank you your honor I would ask that the report of committee be accepted motion second to accept the under discussion there being none please call a roll Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt excuse me born Burke Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer and Montemay or 16 eyes motion carries 1247 by public works recommended filing resolution established in the equivalent runoff unit for the city's stormwater management system fee Alderman Meyer I ask that the report of committee be accepted and adopted motion second to accept and adopt under discussion Alderman graph thank you your honor this particular document is also in finance and finance has not we've partially discussed this and we will be discussing it again at our next meeting so therefore I would move that this document be held if that takes priority want to hold a document is there a second to that under discussion anymore motion to hold that'll be document 1247 on your agenda please call the roll you don't need a roll all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 1248 1249 to be referred ordinances introduced 10 1250 1251 to be referred matters laid over 11 1025 has been acted on 1137 ro number 2290607 by this by the city plan commission recommending annexing territory from the town of Sheboyga to the city situated north of main avenue and west of north 28th Street Alderman month of my own thank you your honor I moved to accept and adopt the RO and the general ordinance be put upon its passage motion in second under discussion there being none please call a roll Ryan excuse me Sushia Vander wheel for hassled born Burke Serta Davis graph Hanna Kittlesen Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or and Racky 16 eyes motion carries 1157 resolution number 140607 by Alderman graph Hanna Clowness Sushia and born authorize the transfer of appropriations in the oh six budget Alderman graph thank you your honor that resolution along with 1158 with which is a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2006 budget for sick leave and vacation severance and the next resolution 1159 also which is an resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in 2006 budget which I establishes the estimated revenue and appropriations for donations received from Johnsonville sausage as to establishing estimated revenue and appropriation for contributions received for police supplies establishing estimated revenue and appropriations for funds collected at the senior center anniversary luncheon establishing estimated revenue and appropriations for funds received from the land information board for a platter and GIS application development and console consulting and establishing appropriations for a wage and benefit study as requested by the short-term committee on employee renumeration I would move that those three resolutions we put upon their passage motion and second discussion we're going to be calling the vote only 1157 5859 please call roll Sushia Vander wheel for hassled borne burr serda davis graph hannah kittleson clayunas mani meyer montemay or ratty and ryan 16 eyes motion carries 1170 resolution number 1170607 by Alderman Vander wheel authorizing entering into an agreement with the shabuigan county with shabuigan county related to a wireless mesh network thank you honor I like to put the resolution upon his passage motion the second under discussion all women month in my heart thank you your honor with the previous resolutions for transfers and this it looks like we're actually doing some really good work in council so I'm glad to see all this thank you anything else there'll be a none please call the roll Vander wheel for hassled borne burr serda davis graph hannah kittleson clayunas mani meyer montemay or ratty ryan and Sushia 16 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 1252 will be referred to salary and grievance 1253 an arrow by shabuigan transit commission recommended entering into a contract with shabuigan county for the provision of combined ADA paratransit and shabuigan county elderly and disabled transportation program who's gonna take that one open graph thank you I do I need suspension on this no then I would move that the arrow be accepted and placed on file and that the contract be signed motion the second under discussion there being none please all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries 1254 an arrow by shabuigan transit commission regarding a communication from attorney Han representing community bank and trust about a number of issues relating to the parking between the bank and city hall and authorizing voiding current invoices and discontinue in billing community bank for the stalls in question hallem graph thank you your honor I would move that that arrow be accepted and placed on file and that we we grant the request motion and second under discussion there being none all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries other matters attorney Adams 1255 a resolution to close the armory effective January 8 2007 that will be referred oh no where we need a I'm sorry I'm talking about 1256 I'm sorry what yes I'm sorry that's okay somebody mix them up I'm counting backwards that will go to public works 1256 all in 1256 is a resolution authorizing Douglas Palinar the owner of chocolate fantasies and ecology outfitters to exhibit his tour fleet of kayaks on the sidewalk abouting his business at 8th Street New York Avenue between the Sunday prior to Memorial Day weekend and the first weekend of October each year and that lies over motion second to adjourn all those in favor say aye stand adjourned