 Hi everybody I'm Ginny Schuster and I am here today with Edie San Giorgio and I am so excited to have her on What an Amazing Life and Journey she's been on. She needs to share this with all the viewers about her. It's called the Katie's Corner Cartoon and I've seen some of the work but the journey that she's gone on to get this far just is amazing and I want her to share this with other people so that they can see entrepreneurship isn't an easy road. A lot of hard knocks there and a lot of steps have to go through that you have to go through in order to get to the point that you are. So welcome Edie, great to have you here. Thank you Ginny for inviting me that this is going to be fun. I love it. Well tell us some of your journey. Let's get started so that people get to know you. I would have to say that it starts out with my family. My dad was a doctor, my uncle was a doctor, my sister's a nurse, everybody's in this medical field and so I kind of come from a desire to help people feel better, heal them. I can't do blood though, in fact I can't do needles but I can do tears. So I've always been interested in emotional and mental health kind of issues. So that's kind of one aspect of who I am. The other thing is I'm a writer. I've been writing since I was 14 years old. I just kind of had this passion to just create when my husband says I'm always the happiest when I write. So that's kind of this other aspect of me. But I'm also just a kind of have an entrepreneurial spirit to me. I don't really like working for other people. I'll do that sometimes but I'm too independent. And so you kind of like blend all that stuff together and you end up with somebody that wants to write about things and address issues and topics that have to do with people's emotional, say the personal growth stuff. I think in my intro I said that I, the bio that I had given you, the first book I read that was personal growth was The Sky's the Limit by Wayne Dyer back in 1982. And I've just been sort of an avid personal growth reader and student for all those years. So I ended up married and then I ended up with several kids through fertility. And so when you have kids in fertility, you end up not wanting to put them off down to somebody else. And so I was the stay at home mom. But I had this crave energy in me. And so I ended up writing a book about relationships. It was called Divorce Vows. It's still on Amazon. But that journey to write that book was long and arduous as I fumbled through the process of writing and editing and formatting and all that stuff. And then I also got very interested in emotional work. And I've met a chiropractor who introduced me to the Emotion Code and Tapping. And so I'm a practitioner for the Emotion Code and certified in as practitioner for Tapping. And for those that don't know what Tapping is, it's called Emotional Freedom Technique. And it's a way to kind of move emotional energy out of your bodies and and that kind of help reprogram you, which is which is that part of me that wants to help people heal. You know, so I kind of have that aspect of me. And one of the book ideas that I have is a book called Tapping on the Toilet, How to Get the Crap Out in More Ways Than One. Again, it's that way of blending my my my right or my creative sense with, you know, somebody that wants to share with the world Tapping. So that is creative. I want you to know, Edie. I know, I know. And I think it gets everybody to laugh. And laughter is a big part of, I think, healing. You know, they always say laughter is the best way to, you know, reader's digest had a whole segment on that for decades. So then it's been about two and a half years ago, I had this idea about getting a cartoon character. It's like like my little alter ego. I'm an introvert. Don't like to put myself out there. Don't like to draw attention to myself. But I could draw attention to a character that would be different. And so I behind the character. It's almost like a ventriloquist. You know, kind of things, you know, and that didn't come from Edie. No, no, it came from the dummy, you know, right, right. Yeah. And so I went on Fiverr and I connected with this guy named Claudio DeMarco. He's down in Brazil. He doesn't speak English, but he writes English very well. So we communicate. And so I told him I wanted this character of a work at home mom and and behind your desk. And so he I guess he looked at my picture. So she kind of looks just a little bit like me. She could kind of be like maybe she can be my daughter maybe or my sister. So it's not exactly like me, but she's got blonde hair and she'll put glasses on top of her head and that kind of thing. And so she's sitting behind your desk. The first one is she's got pink slippers on and she's dressed okay from the, you know, her waist up. And the caption was I just love working from home. It's cut my commute from miles to steps just 9,950 steps to go. It's that idea that it's great to be able to work from home, but there's a sacrifice and that you don't really go very far. You know, you got 50 steps to your office. And so I liked it so well. And then and then I don't even know if I have the name Katie yet, but in his picture, he had this pink kind of angle of the shadowing that was a like the corner was colored a different color that kind of shadowed it. And so I thought corner, I thought it's like Katie's corner. That's why I came up with the name. Wow. You had this corner that that just had this place that you could just put a name. And this is like Katie's little life her little corner for the world. You know, and so that's where the name came up came from was was Katie and and I liked it so much. I gave him another idea. So I just kept sending him captions and he was doing all these cartoons. And we started out with perfectionism and procrastination and going into networking meetings and having the fear of getting up and doing your your elevator pitch and you know, just all the typical, you know, entrepreneurial topics, entrepreneurial fears and fears, right? Yeah. And issues, you know, like, like perfectionist or procrastinating. Yeah. And, and this was we started in in the winter of 2019. And so it took a few months to kind of get a bunch of them, you know, ready to kind of launch and get my website, you know, set up and and he did the banner, you know, her picture on the banner, I'll show it to you. And COVID hit. Oh, right. And I went, oh, no, I said, we cannot be putting out cartoons on perfectionism and procrastination when everybody's locked down with their kids. And they're fearful of this little virus that they're pushing out there and scaring everybody. And so I had to completely revamp. And so then we started doing COVID topics. And what it was like to be a state work at home mom and have your kids at the same kitchen table doing their homework as you're trying to do your work and and deal with social that the social distancing and the masks and the toilet paper and, you know, the hoarding and, you know, just a bunch of COVID topics. So we launched with that. And then Claudio said, you know, the moms down in Brazil are going through the exact same things that you all are going through. I'd like to see them done in in Portuguese and Spanish. So I there was a Dot sister, a polka dot gal for up in Massachusetts that could speak Portuguese. And she was a translator, actually, for no cost, just as as a gratuitous firm for me, she translated a bunch of the cartoons for that were the COVID cartoons in Portuguese and Spanish. So on the website, I've got Katie and multi lingual. And at some point, I'd like to do all of them in multi lingual, because they're kind of universal topics. So that was like the first six months or so. And then I got off on to doing the regular cartoons of different topics. But COVID sort of, you know, kept us, you know, bunker down in our homes that we couldn't go out and network. I was people that asked me, what are you going to do with Katie? I go, I don't know yet. I'll have to wait and see where she where she goes, you know, I didn't really have a particular in game with Katie. It was just more of my creative self just kept coming up with these captions, they would pop into my head. I go, Oh, that was funny. You know, and so I'd send it to Claudio and he's just terrific is his artwork is so detailed and just fun. And we'll show the viewers here in a couple minutes what it was. Yeah, we will. Yeah. And so I've just been working on Katie doing these cartoons and trying to figure out when the hell am I going to get Katie, you know, and I was thinking about maybe putting Katie on the cover of the tapping on the toilet book, you know, and having Katie discover tapping, you know, and I'm still not sure that might happen. But it's it's, I'm trying to figure out this is okay, God, you keep giving me all these little pieces of the puzzle. But you're not giving me that that centerpiece that's that's show me how to connect them together. Yeah. And so I'm still a work in progress. Wow. You know, well, and how long have you been doing this? Well, we started originally in 2019 when I met Claudio, I watched in April of 2020. So it's been two years now. Okay. And we've got probably, I don't know, between 80 and 90 cartoons, some of them I repurpose because they're pretty generic and you know, like she's sitting behind her desk or something. So I come up with a new caption. And I can I put a new caption on an older cartoon, but probably original cartoons, I'd say 80 original cartoons, and then a whole lot more that I've repurposed one. And now I'm working on a book that's going to come from Katie, Katie's writing the book. And it's on self care. And, and again, I'm going to be able to include tapping into it. It'll be one of the activities because it's the working title is, if I can think of this, okay, it's like Katie's post COVID plea, a complete guide to survival and thrival for the average working mom. So 50 self care activities to help you look, feel and be your best. Oh, wow, that's terrific. And I, and I started coming up with all these and it's amazing. I could come up with even 50 plus activities. I didn't think I'd come with that many. And some of them are very simple, you know, some of them are, you know, watch it, watch an inspirational video. Okay, you know, or, or, or read, you know, read, you know, self self growth, you know, books or inspirational books. And then some of them are the typical, you know, take care of your body, do it, do an Epsom salt baths, drinking water. And then what's so funny is I'm, as I'm researching the book, I go, okay, I put in there like drink, drink tea, because I've got a picture. Katie's already has a bunch of cartoons with these topics in them. And so I put in benefits of drinking green tea. Well, who knew there was this many. It's like, I didn't know. Yeah. And every time I work on one of these activities, I go, I should be doing that. So I go make myself a cup of tea. So you're drinking tea. And then I did, you know, core exercises, one of the activities is doing your core exercises. And before I know I'm on the floor, doing my, you know, practicing my core exercise. I need to do these more often, you know. And so I, it's inspiring me to take care of myself in little ways. But I'm hoping that that's what the book does is it gives you the idea, oh, this isn't that hard. And this is, I'll give you the one that's really the funny one that kind of launched it is I had a, I had Claudia do a cartoon of Katie, and she's in her robe, I think, and her hair is on top of her head and towel, and she's brushing her teeth. And she's doing her a squat. She looks at the audience and she says, what, you never seen somebody do squats while brushing their teeth? I call them squat brushes. And so it's the idea that, you know what, while you're brushing your teeth, you can be doing your squats. Couldn't yet, you know. And so when I did, I wrote the chapter on squats just yesterday and I went the benefits of doing squats. Well, who knew? I know the big muscle groups and it helps your posture helps your digestion. It gives you flexibility. It strengthens your muscles, which helps your bone density. I mean, it's like this nice long list of things for squats. Yeah. Well, you know, women are known for multitasking. Oh, I know. I know. And in the book, I says, well, this is a unique way to multitask. Yeah. But the whole book is kind of another sum that take time. You know, meditation takes quiet time. Yeah. You know, in journaling and some of those things. But there's a bunch of them that you can do just, you know, your Kegel exercises. You like to be doing our Kegel exercises right now. How do you know I'm not? I know, I know. But the thing is, is that we forget and that's the other part. I told you, I'll say it again, is the cartoon of Katie and she's petting her cat and she says, maybe if I name my cat Kegel, I remember to do the bloomin' exercises. I love it. I need a cat. I've got a new name. And the whole thing is that as women, we forget to take care of ourselves. Yeah. Oh, you're so right. We are so busy taking care of everybody else that we fail to do the little things. It's the little things. And I was calculating that if you did, if you did brush your teeth for two minutes in the morning and two minutes at night, I can do 25 squats in a minute, which makes 50 squats every time I brush my teeth, which is 100 squats a day. That's 700 squats a week, 20, you know, 2800 squats a month. And then I have to multiply that times 12. But that's a lot of squats after a year. Oh my goodness, that is. You don't have to put a big gym. Exactly. Anne, it didn't take one extra moment out of your day. Wow. People don't think of that. I mean, I never thought of that. And I think of myself as a multitasker, but yeah. Well, I love that idea. Do you have the book there? Can you show us some viewing of what? I don't have the book, but I can show you Katie's her website. Okay. Let's do that so that people know what it looks like. Right. There she is. There's Katie. She looks like you. She does kind of look like me, but she's not with the same, definitely not the same mouth and the shape of the eyes. But I told you, he made her blonde. So she kind of looks like a relative of mine. Yeah. Definitely. And then there's her family. And so she's got the ten-year-old, that's the pre-tween that's kind of got the attitude, the little, you know, little three-year-old Brady and he's precocious. And then she's got the baby. Oh yeah. And then Kyla's her husband. And then I've been, some of my writing, I would thought I should like, let people know more about Katie. So I would write down Katie's thoughts. And so I've got a section called Katie's thoughts. And then I'll take some of my social media posts and put those, you know, in here. And then I just added the self-care tip section right there. And one of the, oh, one of the, that I worked on yesterday, self-care activities is mirror work where you talk in the mirror. So that was the tip for right there. So this is on your website. This is on the website, katiescorner.net, right? Okay. And so like this one over here about, you know, it's about perfectionism. And I actually stole that idea from someplace else where they left out all the ease or the, yeah. Oh, okay. I see. Yeah. See. And it doesn't matter. So it really brings home the point that we don't have to be perfect in order to get our message across or to be, or to make a difference in the world. Or, I mean, perfectionism is not what it's cocked up to be. Oh, it's really hard on you. Very stressful. Oh, very stressful. And yet I think an awful lot of women go through that mentality and it takes them a while to gain confidence and everyone does it in a different way. Right. Right. But Katie, her, her, she always has on her little pink slippers. Oh, I see. Yeah. And then she's got her, she's got a dog and a cat. So we'll have to bring in pet care or pets, you know, at some point, I do actually have a couple of ones that have the pets in them that are part of the cartoon. And then I just throw in some little lines and see this is from me. I read to my kids every night, you know, and that's one of the reasons why I wouldn't go and pursue work to the point where it took time away from my kids. Yeah. I think that reading is very important to the kids. Right. So anyway, that's kind of it. And then, like, here's Katie multilingual. Oh, okay. Look at that. Oh, how fun. Ms. Global. Yeah. And for those people who don't know, polka dot sisters is a global organization of women who get together any place in the country. And what's fun about it is once you're a member of polka dots, when you go on a trip, you can connect with different polka dots and they'll give you information on where you can eat the best places to go visit that sort of stuff. Well, and even just getting coffee with a fellow polka dot, you know, while you're on your trip. So like Katie with the entrepreneurship. Now, see, this is a funny one. This is the first one right here, right? This on the right. Oh, okay. See how it kind of just had this spot for Katie's corner right there. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then my, my friend Chris, who is the computer guy, this is he, he was telling me that I should come up with a passphrase for, for a password. Oh, okay. So this is Katie, you know, this is her password. I love it. How creative, Edie. I know. And then this brings in about the personal growth, you know, when you're the five people that you spend the most time around, you know, it's just don't you dare tell a mother that we become the average of the five people we spend the most time with. Because then we mothers would end up being coming narcissistic, nose cry babies. Oh, what's funny is this is so much like entrepreneurship when you're trying to get in, just decide what business you're going to get into you encapsulated all of this stuff for people. There's so much personal growth that goes on. And well, and then like the zoom, you know, everybody's been on zoom. Yeah. And so it's Katie's like, oh, God, you know. And then, and then this one right here about perfectionists and procrastination. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I figured out to how to perfect the art of procrastination. Right. Now at some point, this is going to be another book, but you've already had experience in writing a book. So I'm sure this one will be a whole lot easier for you. Well, this one's going to be an e-book and I'm still not quite sure how I can do it. One of the main thing is, is one is to spread the message, you know, of self care and and make it fun, you know, and one of my lines was going to be something like, you know, self care is no laugh, laughing matter, but then maybe it should be, you know, I mean, why don't we make it a little bit more lighthearted, you know, because you're right, because people get stressed about taking care of themselves, especially moms, where they think that it's their job to give, be the caregiver. Right. All the time. Right. Yeah. I like that idea. Right. Oh, and then like, see this one, this one, when she and she says, my business coach keeps encouraging me to come up with my big why. So all day long, I go around saying, why, why, why? I think I realize, oh my God, I'm starting to sound like my three-year-old. Oh my goodness, does that touch home? I know, but to see, and that combines that motherhood with the entrepreneur and the struggle and that conflict that, that what working moms have, because, you know, on one part of your brain and in your heart, in your to-do list is all about your kids. And then this other side of you is completely, and when it crosses over, it comes out kind of funny, you know, because we're, we get irritated at our, our three-year-old for showing why all the time. And yet our business coach, that's what they're asking us. It is. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So much to think about here. Right, right. Oh, and then, then like, oh, this is the 30s, this is the elevated fit pitch. I've got a 30-second elevator pitch, and I'll walk you to your car and tell you more pitch and let me pour my heart out of her drinks and tell you who I really am. Oh, what points you make? Oh, this is hurtful. And then in this political climate, because I like to think I'm politically correct in my business, well, as long as politically incorrect thoughts don't count. Yeah. Oh, Edie, you, you make, you definitely know how to get people to laugh. These are terrific. Well, anyway, so this is, this is, you can go on, for those of you watching, you can go on Katie's Corner and just laugh along with her and, and if you got some ideas or, or, or I'm also letting people be in, in cartoons. So let me see if I can find a couple of people that are. Now I also saw that people can go on and subscribe to you. I don't think that I subscribed yet. So I'll make sure that I do that because I absolutely love these. Right. And now this is, this is my Chris Smith, he's my friend who has the business compu star. And so he does all my, take care, takes care of my computers. Oh, okay. So I put him in, in one of the cartoons, and he says, Katie, I can clamp your computer viruses, but you're going to have to start practicing some social media distancing. The viruses you're picking up there are infecting your attitude. Anyway, and I think I've got other ones, maybe maybe they're, they're enlisted someplace else, but I've got some other people. Okay. That are, it's kind of fun to see my, you know. So that's the personal growth channel. Yeah. I like this one. I'd like to think that that calm feeling I have in my gutters, my intuition speaking to me, but then maybe it's just the Alka cells are kicking in. Do they even make Alka cells or anymore? I don't know. Yeah. I've got an old one. I should have thrown out. Oh, right. Now this is me with getting acupuncture. This is my acupuncturist, Jennifer. Yeah. And, and I have this phobia for needles. So she says, Katie, relax. I know you have a phobia of needles, but I promise you, you won't faint. You aren't lying down. So these really are experiences you've gone through that you're expressing in a humorous way. So now we just have to figure out, okay, God, what do you want me to do with her? How do you want me to, to, to make her have an impact in the world in a funny positive way, but at the same time, make a difference. Yeah. You know, and get messages out there that. And I think that's the big role of most entrepreneurs is they want to figure out a way that they can give back to society of positivity and how they can help people. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Make their lives better. Whatever, whatever the problem is they want to want to offer the solution. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a great way as opposed to some of the businesses where they keep saying, don't throw up on the people and tell them everything about you. You know, maybe you could do a humorous one on that where someone's trying to drill in. This is what I do at the network meetings. Right. Right. Yeah. And it's just, you just have to find creative ways to, you know, market yourself and let people know who you are. And yeah, should I tell them about, about what Chris shared with me about the little cards? Yeah, let's talk about that. That would be a great tip for people. I saw one on the internet and I'm going to kind of like steal a pair of face because it didn't have a person's the quote, you know, or who it was by. But basically it just does, it says, embrace your uniqueness. Remember that the sperm that made you beat out millions of others. Isn't that great? Oh, I love it. It's like, it's one of those things that I love it when it, when you laugh and you, it gets you to think and it's a serious, it's like, oh my gosh, that's, that's so true. And it gets you to kind of go, I can't embrace my uniqueness. And then there's a, there's a scientific reason for it. You know, I love it. I mean, if you think about that's, that's the creation. That is the beginning of our creativity was that sperm said, I'm the one. I'm going to make this, I'm going to do it. You know, and that started your whole life. Right. Well, and then also I wrote my book, Divorce Vows. Oh, wow. That was one of my learning experiences that I took a second mortgage out of my house. Oh, oh, wow. Well, we already had the second mortgage. I just took money out of that, you know, a cap, you know. So it's been a lot of money. It was a very expensive learning experience. And I'm still, and it's still there. I could still go back and market it. I mean, it's kind of divorce is timeless. You know, it's always ongoing. Yeah. It was a spiritual book on relationships. Oh my goodness. The premise was, if you can't have a successful marriage, then have a successful divorce. And here's a roadmap because that's the writer in me. My husband always says, you're the happiest when you write. Yeah. I just have to write. And it's like, I don't know what's going to come out of me any particular day or period of my life. I never thought I would create a Katie's corner, but I connected with Claudio, which was a divine connection. He was about to get off Fiverr when I showed up. And now he's, we've done, I don't know, I don't push in 100 cartoons, 90 something cartoons, maybe. Wow. You know, and he's doing the book, the book I'm working on. He's doing all the illustrations for that. Divine intervention. I'm both parts. Well, I mean, we got to be open to it. And then, and then you just have to kind of run with it. And one of the, the other quote that I'm going to put on one of my cards is, sometimes the only available next step is a leap of faith. Wow. That's true. You know, you don't know what your next step is going to be. And you just have to just leap out there in faith and just run with it and just go, I don't know why I'm going down this road. It's like, why are you climbing this mountain? I don't know. I'll tell you when I get to the top. That is so true, Edie. I cannot believe that. And I kind of feel like that's been my whole career. I keep me entering from one passion. I thought that this was going to be it. You know, it's like, I feel like I'm dating businesses or I'm dating ideas. Yeah. And until I run out of their fizzle or something or I don't like you anymore. But I've been married 35 years, so I could stick with something. So it's not like I don't have that capacity in me, but I've just never found that one thing. I'm hoping that Katie is it. I hope that Katie is the one thing that I go, okay, I'm going to run with this and then turn this into a major brand. That's kind of what my goal is. Yeah. It's like, where did Maxine come from? You know, all this is valuable information. I was going to do a course, by the way. I hired Karen for me to come over and I spent money, two hours to help me set up. And then I get to thinking, and I just never really, I got the whole curriculum all written out and everything, but I couldn't seem to pull the trigger. And then obviously I had this idea for this book. And the writer of me was, yes, let's do that, you know, instead. Yeah. And so that path. Well, and it's, and it's, it's also, it was a way to connect Katie because the course has nothing to do with Katie. Exactly. You know, whereas the book is going to be coming from Katie, this is Katie's book. Katie's writing this book from her perspective, you know, as, as a, a, a, you know, working mom that's like frazzled and trying to balance everything and, you know, and facing, I'm, I came up with another cartoon idea. And I don't know whether I'm going to have Claudia do it soon because he's working on the book stuff, but it's going to be Katie sitting in a, in a, in a group setting with a bunch of women around, you know, in a circle and on this wall behind her, it's going to have it. Welcome to AA. And then she's going to say, hi, my name is Katie and I'm addicted to adrenaline. The adrenaline junkies, you know, go, go, go, go all the time. And it's that. And I was going to have the addicted to anxiety or addicted because, you know, she's anxious or it's like addicted to drama, you know, or you could leave it open so that people can fill in the blank. Well, I think now I'm going to leave it the adrenaline because I think that's, that that's a softer approach. It's not anxiety because that's kind of a heavy topic. Exactly. And people have heard the tight term adrenaline junkies. Yeah. You know, and the, and the self care book is about how to get calm everything down, take a little bit of a breather space, you know, self care of, of getting your, your brain waves a little bit calmer or doing Kegel exercises. That's the cartoon I did with her when she has her cat and she's petting the cat, you know, maybe if I named the cat Kegel, I'd remember to do the bloomin exercise because they're just so busy when moms are so busy. Yeah. And, and that's your adrenaline. It's not that, that she's, she doesn't want to be addicted to adrenaline, but that she can't seem to figure out how to counter, counterbalance that and stop doing it because moms have this feeling like if I'm not there doing it for my children, they're always there doing whatever that they, what they expect of me. Oh, I can relate so well to that. You know, and I was talking to Sarah Morris, she's a, she's the owner of the Wii spot, which is a blog site for women. And I'm one of the writers for this year. And she said, I used to think that I had to, you know, before I left the house, I'd have to do the crock pot, you know, make sure there was dinner for every night, you know. I did the same thing. I know, you know, and so, and so that's the kind of thing I'm talking about, the adrenaline of feeling like you've got to always be on high alert to make sure everything's getting done. And, and so I think Katie's can also be a lot about organization. I think she's going to bring in organizational tools like a, Katie could have a calendar, for instance, you know, or Katie could have a cookbook of easy recipes, you know, things that you can throw in, you know, at the last minute or even your 10 year old can put together for you, you know, or something. I don't know, but it's, it's, I'm still trying to figure out my target audience. You have a name, don't you? These busy moms who are trying to, they're super moms, super women. Right. And I'm also going to, going to try to appeal to the, the creative moms out there, the ones that are, that are just like me that, that had children and feel compelled to make sure that, that they're taking care, but there's this creative sense of them that they want to go out and do something in the world. They want to make their mark. They, they, they can't just be at home. They have to be doing something. That's when I wrote my book. That's what saved them from just being a stay-at-home mom is that's when I wrote my book. Because I had to, you know, I take the kids to school and I come back to my computer and I'd get creative, you know, but I didn't want to be obligated to anybody else, you know, in responsibility and make it all about the money and, and put that kind of pressure on me. I wanted to be able to just be creative when it was going to work with my schedule, you know. So that's why I think I, I wrote the book. It's kind of selfish in that way. No, that's not, no, it was self-care. I was, it was protective because I didn't, we didn't need the money at the time and, and plus my kids were fertility kids. So I wasn't going to go and go, hey, I'm going to have a bunch of kids now. Oh, kids, you can just raise yourself. I'm going to go off and fill, do this job to fulfill me, you know. So I had to find ways to get fulfillment outside of motherhood. Right. And my creativity just kept coming up, you know. And, and so I wrote this book and I thought the book was going to be the thing. Oh, I don't know whether I told you this, but when my kids were about two, I was trying to get a sleep one night. It was in that lala state. And I, you know, not asleep and not, it was in that, you know, beginning stage. And all of a sudden sparklers went off in my eyelids and my brain woke up and I was alert. And I literally heard a voice say, you have more work to do before you write. Oh, wow, shot up in bed and went, holy crap, I heard that. Okay, what's the work? And for you, I still don't know what that meant. I, you know, I kept thinking, you know, motherhood or just life was my work. And then, and then when I had the book idea go, oh, that's what I was supposed to write. You know, and maybe it's, maybe it's, it's, maybe it's Katie now, you know, I don't, because the book wouldn't go anywhere. I didn't, I didn't know how to market it. That's, that's usually the issue that people have. They don't know exactly how to, to market it. But with Katie's corner, you're getting out there a lot more, plus you're done pretty much with motherhood. So therefore you have the time. If you're working on Katie's corner, people are going to want to know what else you've done. So that's where you, oh, here you go. Here's another book that I've written. And you know, there are a lot of people who find interest in that subject. Right. Well, and the thing about, at least with the book, it was, it was that, that, that sense of, I can take an idea, a complex idea, and work on it for a number, because it took me a number of years to write the book. And then, then put my money behind, behind my work, and see it all the way through to completion. Do I actually have a book in hand? It's not like, I've got a book idea I want to write one day. People have those all the time. I actually did it. And I can go, I did it. I, I wrote a book and I brought it all the way to market. You know, now I didn't take it all the way to, you know, to sales, but at least I, I produced it. You know, I didn't just say, that was very, very admirable and not an easy task. No, it's not. And, and it, like I said, we spent a lot of money on it. And partly it's because I had all these editors, I had seven editors. Wow. And, and what do you mean you gave each one a copy? Right? That picture back there. Yeah. The cake. That's the cover of the book. Oh, what it was is one of, one of Rich's co, ex-co-workers, he's air traffic control guy. I was, was something, I forgot how I ended up connecting back with him, but he was, had retired for medical reasons. And he always thought of himself as a wordsmith. And, and so, and he was going through a divorce or he had maybe recently gone through a divorce. And he said, I could edit the book for you. So I go, good, good. I gave it to him. Well, months went by. And before he even read the book, he, he painted that picture for me. And it's a picture of, you can see maybe you see it. It's a, a groom on the top of a wedding cake. Oh yeah. And the bride. And there's a row hanging down. And the bride is kind of looking down, not looking up at him. She's looking away. And, and so what's interesting is that in the book, I actually talk about how, when you get married, it's like you get a climbing partner. Oh. And he, he did that. And he was a climber. He was a rock climber. And he did that actually before he read the book. And I went, that's my cover. Oh, wow. That's the cover. And, and so he was my first editor. Then I ended up going through a bunch of other ones, but the problem was that each one of them, except for one, had been divorced. Wow. And, and so they would tell me, oh, you know, everything I wanted to hear about being an editor and, you know, you're speaking to the crowd choir. And I know this subject or I, I, you know, what, I forgot what they, because as many, many years ago, what they told me, but I go, oh, good. I gave them the manuscript. And, and then when they would get it back to me, they would kind of like, go, here we go. I had one of them and I'm on the beach in New York. We went to go back to visit my mother, Lon in Long Island. And I'm sitting there the first day on the beach and she's screaming at me that my book made her sick. She was up all night, you know, I, or whatever, I forgot exactly, but basically she was berating me because of how the book got to, I guess it was difficult for her to edit or something. But again, all of my editors have been divorced. So I think what happened is that they had to process their own crap in their own, what they did in their divorce as they're going through the book. Wow. I guess I, again, it was just speculation because it is a book that, that really calls you out on getting out of your ego and getting away from the typical way of, of approaching divorce. And anyway, so that was a learning experience, expensive learning experience, but in more ways than one. Yeah. We're each here for a reason. And the, the purpose, I guess, is to figure out why, you know, why did God make me exactly the way that I am? And why did I run into the people that I've run into and why did I have the ideas that I have? And why do certain things happen for a reason? And I think it's just a, it's part of the mystery of life is to put it all together and to try to have fun while you're doing it, you know, and to take things a little bit lighter. And that's why I think Katie has been kind of dear to my heart because she's helping me talk about serious topics, you know, from a more humorous, you know, perspective. And, and so if you can bring some lightheartedness to any business that you're doing, I think it's a, it's a great way to connect with people. I love it. That's so true, Edie. Thank you so much for that input. Will you say that one again, one last time? It says, embrace your uniqueness. Remember that the sperm that made you beat out millions of others. It's again, it's just to let you know that, you know, and if anybody's visualized, remember back in science, you know, club biology class, you see the little egg in the video of the sperms attacking, there's all these sperms attacking the egg and none of them get in. And finally, one of them just squirms its way in and just digs, you know, it's like, why that one? There's a reason. I don't know why, but there's a reason for that. So, but people can go to katyscorner.net. You can subscribe. There's a little yellow button up in the top. And people can email me at edie.sangiorgio at gmail. And the last name might, it's a little hard to spell. It's S-A-N-G-I-O-R-G-I-O. And it's St. George and Italian. I love it. Italian. And she loves Italian food. Oh, she likes food. Well, thank you so much, Edie, for sharing so much great information. This was so fun going into the 80s corner. Thanks for the opportunity, Ginny. This was fun for me as well. You know, again, anybody out there that's a creator and have an idea and not sure why you're doing what you're doing, don't worry about it. Neither do I. Ginny, I were talking earlier and it's kind of like the idea of why you climb in the mountain. You go, I don't know. I'll tell you when I get to the top. That's right. Yeah. So thank you all for joining us. Have a great day.