 So I start up this China Thinkers Bureau. It's a Chinese version of a speaker's bureau, but we provide advanced service like identifying the best thinkers, bring them to China, finding the best client to host them, provide them with decent pay from 10K to 100K US dollars. And of course, we help them to localize them. Because we've been working with like 500 or 300 best China local partners and clients. So we are able to fund each Western Thinker a great host to disseminate their ideas, philosophies, their love and their experience in China. I know someone's opinion may contradict yours. Where's my friend Alan? It's all about your perspective. Who are we and what is the nature of this reality? Five, four, three, two. Ni Hao, everyone. Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host Alan Sakyun. We are still on site in the beautiful Beijing, China. We are now going to be talking about bringing the world's top thinkers to China. We have Dawei Li joining us on the show. Hi, Dawei. Thank you, Alan. Thank you for bringing me here. Thank you so much for coming on our show. I'm so pumped for our conversation. I'm very grateful to Jingxia for introducing us too. For those who don't know Dawei's background, he's the CEO of Tashanshi, aka China Thinkers Bureau, which is bringing the world's top minds to China for collaboration. You can find the links in the bio below, tashanshi.net, also chinathinkersbureau.com, and a really great piece that was published on them in all tech Asia. Okay. Dawei, let's start things off with one of our favorite questions to ask our guests. What are your thoughts on the direction of our world? The direction of our world. Talking about direction, we need to have a director, right? And the direction of our world, let's think broadly, we are getting much, much nicer and better livelihood compared with, like, even 10 years ago, 100 years ago, nearly to 6,000 years ago. We have much advanced technology. Some of the technology has dark side, but most of the technology is improving our life standard. And of course, we are solving the most urgent social problems, like, 20, 30 years ago, we faced, like, the labor issues, like the productivity challenges, like, I believe, the world is solving the pollution, China's, you can say, Beijing's era is much greater than five years ago. So to sum up, I think our world is directing to a much greater, better directions. That's my first response to your question. Of course, every moon has its dark side, so in China, we often have a great thing that our future is brilliant, but the path to the future is challenging, it's not easy. So it requires manpower, requires our collective efforts. So China and the US and any other species and any other nationalities should work together and marching on this road to a much better future. So that's the direction. Yes. Okay. So we have increasing flourishing that's happening over time and it's very evident with people getting themselves out of poverty, getting access to the cutting edge technologies, getting access to the information, economies, getting access to health care, all this type of stuff. Also you say that there is this dark side that we have to be careful of and this is challenging, the road is challenging and we're trying to grow the tree out of the planet, birth from this yoke of earth with as little suffering as possible and as maximized flourishing as possible. What would you say is a key principle that we need to embody to make sure that we stay on this light side more and away from this dark side as we build all these technologies? Key principles, of course. So I believe Steve Jobs has a very good metaphor. So the crossroad of liberal arts and the technology. I believe technology would inspire liberal arts, but liberal arts in other words like philosophy means the love of life or the love of truth should be directing the technology not the other way around. So we need to find out what's the real question, what's the real challenge before we develop a very advanced technology. The pretty simple explanation is we have a great scientist. We have a great venture capitalist. We have a great ecosystem in Silicon Valley and of course in here in Beijing, in Haidian, in Zhongguanchun. But before all the great things happen, we should have a philosophy which indicate the bright future of where are we going? So I think the principle back to our question is we need a loving, caring philosophy to direct all the development of technology and the flow of capital. So that's my answer. Good philosophy. Yes. Agreed this most fundamental first principle question. What is the ultimate nature of our reality? What is the point of this human experiment? The point of this and how can we bring our full selves forward into the world or full gifts forward into the world? And how do we build technology that has love embedded within it, that has a positive trajectory embedded within it and doesn't leave it open to malicious players and malevolent actors, that type of stuff. I like that a lot. Let's talk about who you were growing up and how you got interested in what you care about today. What were you born to tell us about your journey? Yeah, I'm a great example of how globalization, education, technology would change someone's life. So I was born in the Inner Mongolian, a very remote place in China. So that's like 40 years ago, so I'm 40 years old today this year. So back that time, China, my hometown, Chifeng City is a very remote place compared with Beijing. But my father provided me a key to the library, so I read a lot. Even today, China and Beijing and Silicon Valley is much advanced place compared with my hometown today. But I read the same book like the people in their 40s in Silicon Valley. And I read similar books like the people grown up in advanced cities, huge cities like Beijing. So I believe knowledge is one of my first steps in stone. Then when I'm in my 20, something, my father provided me an opportunity to study abroad. So I've been to Britain, UK, for like 10 years of study. Then that experience made me a very internationalized, globalized thinker, people. And gradually back to China like 10 or 15 years ago, back to China after my study in Britain. So I proudly joined a very good organization called Session Media. And of course, I work at DRC, it's a research think tank under state council with the top people of China, the best economists, policy makers of China. So they gradually tell me what's the real, what's happening in China? And what's the difference between China and Western philosophy and theories? So I have a good experience in studying Western world. And I have good knowledge and grasp in China. So I'm able to come in those together to start my entrepreneurship like three years ago. Three years ago, I found out that Western thinkers, great thinkers, have a market in China, which means they could sell their not only books, but of course ideas speeches, speech and product and company, whatever in China. So I start up this China Thinker's Bureau. It's a Chinese version of a speaker's bureau, but we provide advance the service like identifying the best thinkers, bring them to China, finding the best client to host them, provide them with a decent pay from 10K to 100K US dollars. And of course, we help them to localize them. Because we've been working with like 500 or 300 best China local partners and clients. So we are able to find each Western thinker a great host to disseminate their ideas, philosophies, their love and their experience in China. So that is my life journey. But I want to mention something to you before I ended up this. In each period of time of my life, I used to have an idol or example or someone to learn from. This year, in 2018, I learned from great Chris Evans, the actor of Captain America. So I learned how to go to jam with him, like him, and build up my body like him. If you see my picture five years ago, I was a totally fat, bald, glass-wearing, middle-aged losers. But now I'm gradually going to jam and making myself look like a Captain America. And also I love the patriotic spirit, the caring spirit, the leadership from him. So make me a better entrepreneurship. So that's my story. This is such a beautiful story. OK, so from Inner Mongolia, you had the access to the library when you were young. You had this drive to read. You had your father had decided to help provide you with an opportunity to go study in the United Kingdom. And so then you go at around 15 age? 18. 18. You went at 18 and then you came back when you were about 28 then. 28 or something, yeah. OK, so you were there 10 years, yeah, studying in the UK. So you get more deeply immersed in a globalization, like you said. And which is actually really interesting because it gives you a really unique lens on the world growing up in different cultures and then seeing what it's like, because London's a very big melting pot of different cultures. So you get access to that and you get access to Beijing growing and coming back here and being able to do business here. And it's interesting, like this helps your world view advance and become more robust and well-rounded. So then when you come back here, it's working with a lot of the top economists and thinkers in China and identifying what policies are different from in China compared to like the Western world and seeing those differences and some similarities and what could be advance the... Did the thinkers work directly with advancing actual policy in China? Is that, yeah? No, not policy wise. It's working with the business world only. OK, so it would be advancing business success in China. Practicing, yeah. Business practices. So then what would be some of the things, let's take it here. We'll start with this and then we'll get to the China Thinkers Bureau. So what would be some of those best business practices that you were working on with the think tank that would advance the Chinese businesses? One good example is I'm so honored and lucky to work with Dr. Mr. Pierre Rouss-Gruffy, the author of Short History of Silicon Valley, and many other like hundred books. So he's a great thinker. He knows everything in Silicon Valley. He knows all the great restaurants in Silicon Valley, although he's a vegetarian. So like five years ago, China, each town of China, like 200 towns, trying to become the local version of Silicon Valley. So everybody wants to become a Silicon Valley, but they don't know how to do it, how to become a real Silicon Valley. He thinks, oh, let's build up a great university. So it could be our Stanford, or let's bring like 200 VC capitalists, venture capitalists, so they could be our Sequoia. But in fact, that's not real Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley is based on the ecosystem. So I'm honored and lucky to work with Mr. Pierre Rouss-Gruffy, bring him to China to speak at Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Ningbo, Hangzhou, Chengdu, Wuhan, like 20 top cities to tell the local people, what does real Silicon Valley is? How can we build up your local version of Silicon Valley? So gradually after three, four years, so all the Chinese people, especially the decision maker, the business persons, knows what is Silicon Valley, how to build up their own Silicon Valley, and how not to become a just duplication, stupid cobcat of a Silicon Valley. So I believe that helps a lot for local cities developers to become a better version of themselves, rather than a better duplicate of Silicon Valley. I think that is a good example. Also, I'm honored to work with Dr. Mr. Dick Foster, Richard Foster, an innovation guru. He used to study and working in McKinsey for like 35 years. He is a global authority of innovation. So China has been enhancing this innovation entrepreneurship national policy for six years since 2013. But very little people know, how can innovation help a nation? Innovation, we think it's about making up a movie or making up a new dish, a cuisine. How innovation helps our business, our national competitiveness. So I was lucky to work with Dr. Richard Foster, bring him to China to talk, to speak to all decision makers, maybe five or six, the provincial governors, deputy governors, city mayors, and reprint his 1986 classic book, Innovation, the Attackers Advantage in China, sell like 10,000 copies and ask him to write up columns teaching people how to use innovation as a business weapon. So by working with Mr. Dick Foster, Chinese society should improve their ability to innovate a little bit, at least 101% I believe. So those are two examples, working with city value people, working with innovation gurus, helping Chinese business and economic people to improve their ability. That is one of 200 cases I've been working on. There's a really clear practice that you use. The practice is that you identify top world strategies for innovation and growth and then you find them and you invite them to come and teach and I really like how you talk about how it's about having an ecosystem that's driving like what Silicon Valley had and also like about having these different ideas for recipes for innovation and growth and then being able to take those and spread them around the top Chinese cities and then have them actually get implemented into business practices as soon as possible. This is great. So okay, so then about three years ago you decided that you wanted to start Tashanshi China Thinkers Bureau and you have now these speakers coming and they get like 10,000 to 100,000 US dollars, they're coming to China, they're going on speaking tours, they have really good hosts, really good immersion into culture, build really good networks in collaboration. So there's like a long-term collaboration happening between some of the ideas that they have and some of the ways they can be implemented in China. Is that about right? Yeah, sure. Okay, and then now like walk us through then is the example that you gave where someone's coming and they're going on a tour across the major Chinese cities and speaking to you know maybe hundreds of people at a time about the ideas and about how to implement them. Is that generally what China Thinkers Bureau is doing primarily? Yeah, in addition to all the business-oriented people as I mentioned, I also so proudly work with like 20 Nobel laureates, bring them to speak economics and innovation, education as well. Okay, so also Nobel laureates coming across different sciences and innovations, educations and so then they come and teach as well. So it's both like authors, leading thinkers, corporate owners as well as Nobel laureates are coming here and doing these, it's mostly speaking tours across China, speaking tours and collaborations with local leaders in those areas to advance business policies. Okay, cool. Now let's take us through an idea of what you foresee being like the best model for this because we have the United States and China is so important for the two to collaborate and work more harmoniously together moving forward. We have many of the other world-leading economies that we also want to in a sense, we want to help take good ideas from them and implement them in our countries that have good ideas from us and get exported to their countries. How do we best make a global collaborative social fabric more effective? That's a beautiful question. Firstly, I'm questioning this question, why should we have a globalized fabric society? We don't have to. So China has their own requirement and wants. So you see the top 10 global thinkers in China, maybe are not top 10 global thinkers in states. If there is only one simple like you are, who are we? He is like top 10 thinkers in states and top 10 thinkers in China, but the rest are different. So we do not have to have a unified fabric society. That's my answer to your question, my challenge to your question. But also I believe there are a few approaches are great. Why is the global summit and conferences like Davos? Each year there are four or five thousand people meeting at Davos attending 100 events conferences, exchange their ideas, making connections. That's one thing good. And I know there are many other great events like the TED, like the Burning Men, like the Thousand Bands South. Those kind of conferences, physical meetings provided to the people from different worlds would definitely improve their understanding of each other. That's number one. Number two, I guess that's also the future, especially young people like in their teenagers, 20 years old people, are getting used to working on an online society. So we have like Weixin, Weibo, it's the Chinese version of Twitter. But let's think about it, maybe in the long term from now, the future, there is the technology could combine Twitter and Weibo together. So the people in Weibo would see what happened in Twitter. Twitter would see Weibo. I mean, all the technology platforms, if they work together, would provide a huge virtual reality for the real people, improve their understanding, and improve their beliefs, and would probably help in the harmonious society as you mentioned. So physical meetings and technology. You're coming back to the very first thing you were saying. There may have been like a miscommunication with the way that I said the question or something, just because the way you answered it is actually in the way that I was thinking about it as well, which is that you have different world leaders, world thinkers in China versus Saudi Arabia versus Russia versus Korea versus the United States, blah, blah, blah. And so ideally what I was thinking is it would be great to see if there was a way to take the ones in the US and bring them to Brazil or Korea or whatever, and have the ones in Portugal and South Africa go to China or go to Thailand, whatever other countries around the world. Basically make a greater social fabric around exchanging world top thinkers and ideas, and then having them go and speak and share so that it can advance business practices and advance that type of stuff. And it seemed like that was kind of also something that you were feeling when you were answering the question. So seeing how we can maximally get there fast is great. I actually also really liked what you said about Weibo and Twitter because in a sense it's like how do you connect like a billion people here with a billion people here that are using a very similar social media communication platform but that currently can't talk to each other across that social media gap. And so that's also kind of like WeChat and WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger or whatever you want to say. So I also really like that one too because there seems to be a serious amount of hindrance of creative endeavoring when I can't as easily communicate. I can't as easily share. I can't as easily co-create with someone else because of this gap between the platforms. So how can we in a sense take the silos that are the platforms and make some sort of a communicative fabric across them so we can become more creative together is a very big question. And you brought this up so I want to ask it. Do you feel like the role of exponential technologies. You mentioned something like a virtual reality. You know a lot of people from around the world starting to be location agnostic meaning that don't need to be strapped into being in in in Beijing being in their office but they can work from home. They can go work from somewhere else in the world etc. They can just go into the VR environment and work with other people from around the world from their home etc. You know that being one of many there's so many other things about genetically engineering away diseases and genetically augmenting ourselves or using neuro technology to augment ourselves. There's so many of these up and coming ways that are quantum computing being unleashed into the world. So with given all these exponential technologies and given our our our mutual desire to to take the best practices from around the world and bring them forth into all of the different countries practices. What would you say then is a way that the those exponential technologies that we listed earlier plus the sharing ideas around the world. How can those two things synchronize and interplay most effectively. Synchronize and mutual play technology and I think very little about that because probably those are ideas only generated from the smart people from Silicon Valley. I believe that 99% of the people around the world do do not think about the question like that connectivity or whatever. They only think about how this technology or this new app would improve my business or helping me to get more food and hair and celery. So that is a question very avant-garde very advanced but doesn't solve the real challenge and the issue of our society. The real challenge the issue of the lower productivity lower wages have a have a loaded works and like in China the 99% not China. I mean globally as the speaking 90% of people do not have the access to AI technology and they don't have to they don't need that. So my point is your question is a great one but I don't have the answer but comments on your question is that is it's not very it's not very important question for now. It's an elite question. So the real challenge for 90% of world population is how can they use technology to improve their work life and maybe living standard. Interesting so all those exponential technologies that we listed do exactly that. They help take people out of poverty. They help give them access to more money more food more water more shelter all these basic needs health care etc. So the democratization of those technologies could be one of those business practices we were talking about earlier where people can more effectively distribute the technology to more people faster and take them out of poverty increase their living standards etc. So even though the question itself may seem like in a way it's like elite in a sense at the same time the practices that can be implemented from the distribution and the dissemination of the technologies and democratization of them is exactly what gives 90% of the world the advancement of money of getting out of poverty getting more health care that type of stuff. So that's kind of why I guess I asked the question is like what best business practices can help take the cutting edge technologies and disseminate them democratize them to more people around the world to get them out of poverty faster and get them advanced faster. I think this is a very complicated question and instead I'm giving you a very complicated answer we can look at several great practice great examples why don't you show me you know Steve Jobs invented this beautiful iPhone like 10 years ago is beautiful but their productivity only can provide like one percent of the very rich people around the world to use iPhone the iphone is very expensive iphone but Xiaomi invented a similar quality phones and of course Huawei and some of the Chinese mobile producer manufacture can provide the least developed people the poorest people in China also very underdeveloped nations like the African countries to use the similar phones like Silicon Valley people using with 10% of their price so my point is Xiaomi and Huawei are doing a great job by disseminating the advanced technology to a poor people larger populations so we should instead of giving a brief answer we should look at what Xiaomi is doing I believe that is a great democratization of technology instead of we going on the street teaching people what does AI mean what is the challenge with the ethnic issues of AI we could we could use some hundred no 20 dollars by do smart speaker it's the cheapest AI terminal anywhere in the world it's a by do speaker just give to a very poor people ask them tell them you can ask whether you can ask everything from this speaker if you are feeling lonely and bored you can ask the speaker play music and standing comedians and whatever to you it's only cost you like one sense per day it's nearly nothing so instead of disseminating all the sophisticated philosophies which Silicon Valley people love to do we just provide a very cheap things to the poor people yeah that is better approach I guess this is a really good example okay such a good answer okay so we have so many things that Silicon Valley is doing and I'm actually deeply critical of this as well because a lot of what the technologies that are being made out there are for the 1% of people that can afford a 1,000 plus dollar phone or 2,000 plus dollar computer or want some sort of a way to augment you know their 50,000 tesla or they're they're they're they're augmenting incrementally instead of doing something like what you gave this example with Xiaomi where they're doing something like making the they're their their hardware is it's compatible it's it's about it's at the it's at a very close level of competition sophistication with a behemoth like Apple selling it at a fraction of the price to enable people in China and other developing parts of the world to gain access to information technology being democratized at their fingertips for less money excellent another great example the Baidu speaker we obviously have our Amazon and Google and Apple ones as well yeah we have our speakers as well and okay so you take this Baidu speaker and you called it an AI terminal I love that right so instead of going around and being like and being around hey hey people around the world you should care about AI ethics and you know and people that are literally just trying to incrementally improve their life have to now become leading AI ethicists and philosophers versus giving them a Baidu speaker and giving that AI terminal like you said ask about the weather ask about education stuff ask to enhance your mood ask to all this type of stuff play music play games with friends blah blah blah blah blah blah and all of a sudden that person is becoming more and more tied into what natural language processing is what how that object is working with the cloud computation how that object is able to on demand do what I ask it to do and so I think that becoming democratized is actually a great way to get more people to at eventually end up caring more about AI and to care more about technology through their everyday use rather than having some sort of a highly sophisticated philosopher that's telling them about AI ethics so I think that's a really good answer an example so it could then be that some of the best business practices are to figure out how to enhance the life of average people around the world incrementally through education through healthcare through technology through science through art these types of things yeah that's my point I like that a lot okay so let's let's play on this a little bit more then so how does a china thinkers bureau how do you envision the what we just said how do you envision thinkers coming from around the world to china and helping the different areas incrementally improve these different cities incrementally improve the living standards yeah as you mentioned we are living in a globalized society so not only Beijing there are 2199 other cities in china as well if basically we have 200 cities some cities are very globalized very well informed some some cities also some companies or some people need to learn what is happening outside of my city and what is the best practice in Beijing in Shenzhen city in New York so what I'm helping is a brokerage of talents and knowledge bring those people to those least less developed cities like not the 199 cities to talk to pitch I mean what is happening in city valley in New York in Beijing in Shenzhen so they they might they might not to start to learning from or listening from the speaker but at least it's a good reminder to them what is happening now helping them to increase their efficiency and effectiveness and with a lower budget with a lower cost that would help not only the cities in china but the overall benefit of the globalized society for example if everybody in china we have 1.5 billion chinese people maybe 1,000 people five years ago 1,000 people knowing what is the real city valley so if you are from city valley come to the rest of china people think you are strange but after mr pierre scruffy giving talks in china maybe there are too many people understand what is happening in city valley so if you're meeting with those one of those 200 two million people you will have a common knowledge common understanding so that's going to improve the efficiency of international cooperation and decrease the possibility of conflicts so in the future my visual future is I bring maybe 100 200 great thinkers speakers from city valley from european countries from israel from japan come to talk to china and I will bring another maybe 200 chinese smart people to talk in different countries I love it will help the understanding of each other yes yes I love this vision this is very aligned with what we care about with our show it's why we're here in china right now it's showcasing some of the greatest minds here and so if we can do a deeper collaboration where we can help funnel some of the smartest minds into what you're doing and if you guys come funnel some of the smartest minds onto the show that could be super interesting and it's a very interesting alignment with with our passion I like that I like that what about this is a very um this is this is a I love this vision I'm just I'm a huge huge fan of of of of this vision it's very geopolitical it's very um it's very focused on on best practices you like identify what's best around the world from different thinkers and you try and bring that around the world to different cities and to different business strategies around the world it saves money it increases people's health and education and it's just it's a no-brainer and it's a good one I like it I like it it's an easy one the challenge is how to best get there but it's a no-brainer vision the vision is easy really important okay let's ask about some of these more uh these questions that are a little bit like you mentioned earlier like we don't we sometimes forget to ask the really big questions and sometimes the really big questions can get young kids to want to do something besides just uh be in their like little like bubble of their like community but like go out and try and tackle one of the big world challenges like a sustainable development goal or something which you also mentioned earlier about China's push for sustainability and all this type of stuff so okay so let's talk about exactly that this ultimate question of what is the point of the human experience what's the point of us evolving on this planet orbiting the star what's the point what's the meaning of this I cannot give you a direct answer but I can and teach someone how to solve this issue so the political correct answer would be improve the others awareness helping our poor brothers sisters and in fact this is the past basket bucket ask them to think about this question the meaning of life is that your question yes I don't know my favorite brand uh a band called backstreet boys they have a similar song show me the meaning of being lonely we can change that one show me the meaning of being human right yeah so if there is a political correctness answer is the meaning of life is improve the overall great of our human society helping the other people to improve their livinghood that's why you are here in this world that's uh that's captain americans answer but my answer is I don't know I have to keep on living probably the answer is an act rather than a phrase or a paragraph keep living do not settle yeah yeah yeah I like someone improving other people's living standards around the world I like that um yeah yeah that's good yeah I like that it's uh it it's it both um helps ourselves um find something that gives us passion to wake up in the morning with and it also gets other people around the world living better it's really good you mentioned this earlier I think it's important to come back to this idea that you had about five years ago a little bit less healthy you were a little bit less healthy you uh started picking up some better health habits some better exercise habits um this type of stuff I think a lot of people around the world are are wondering you know how can I become healthier what were the key things that you decided to do to motivate yourself um into uh and create habits into creating a healthier that way I think from thanks to American culture I watched this movie Avengers and Captain Merrick's maybe only the tenuous boys in states watching that movie but people like me in China I was crying totally watching their historic erotic act so I want to become him exactly like Captain Merrick a tall handsome strong athletic no glass more hairs and helping the endangered nation of course as well so I learned a lot from him so that is a motivation to make me have a healthier life to be more energetic to giving a better endeavors to the society so and then what were some of the habits that you started doing yeah I went to jail more often and I heard a private trainer and I eat healthier sleep earlier and I go to yoga classes as well play tennis go and swim basketball scores all the sports yeah so sports make you smarter yes I guess yeah more energetic yes yes so so to answer a question a better uh I mean at one the culture advantage advantage is culture would attract people from different culture to study from him them so my culture doesn't have a spirit of people to go sports in Chinese traditional culture a gentleman should do less sports probably just maintain meditation or maintain study life like a real gentle but western culture the athletic culture the grace culture encourage people to fight to work out I believe that is great that's that's much more constructive than any other ideologies from western world I mean living habit yeah I agree that's a really powerful one is this push to basically uh the aesthetics the aesthetics of the human like get your body looking pristinely like you know that's yeah that's a very beautiful thing I'm not pristine I have you you too brother you look really good I love it and like you know being 40 like that's what's up like yeah you're doing really well I like that a lot okay and then how about um as we go into the exponential technology age young children now have their whole lives on the devices their entire life they don't know what life is like without the phones and computers um what is a skill that you think that young people should know going into the future the skill to go into the future I believe Chinese people young people like critical thinking is important critical thinking yeah and thinking and looking outside of the box is important if you do not looking outside of the box how can I think outside of the box the people if they're using their mobile phones their tendency they're only watching the information the technology provided they they want to show them they miss the real the real world so they should be going out reading more books meeting more people traveling a lot go to the place have no signals or go to the place your mobile phone easily to be stolen so you can go to the real world meeting the real people China itself and the US itself is already a very diversified society itself will provide more angles and perspective for any individuals but if you are fully equipped and you are growing enough grown up enough you should travel outside of nation and meeting with the people from different cultures that's also important so critical thinking and to explore the unknown territories territories are important for the younger generation I love that yeah critical thinking also the exploration of what it's like to not have a device for a day and just be immersed in nature be immersed in human eye-to-eye contact and knowing how to have good social dynamics in general is a really important yeah very important what do you think is the role of love in our world love is the one of the reasons we survive we live in this world so but there are different levels of love the small smaller level or the elementary level is the love that the driven by the hormones and the biological needs it's loving your wife your husband or your friends and also a higher level of love is the curiosity anxiety of what is happening the unknown world so that is the love driven all the great entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs great philosophies and the great thinkers economists I believe the reason you're doing this is because the love to explore unknowns yeah but even greater love that at the top of the pyramid would be the uh the long-term uh interest and the curiosity of the human society human being so like a religious love it's a religious type love so without any without the require of any feedbacks just devote yourself to something great I believe the love all three levels love is important but once without love there people cannot survive and thrive but with love people are able to achieve something great for the human society and for itself I love it the love of the unknowns and just uh whether that unknown be a relationship with the partner or whether that be building something into the world of great value going into the chaos and then finding some sort of order and going on this journey of of developing oneself I love that and then what about um do you feel like we uh have uh free will do you think things are determined what do you think about that I'm a totally uh agree with Peter Theo so he believed free will I believe free will I think people can change and achieve whatever they want provided there is a great methodology of course redalio believes so so redalio uh pico Theo and Dawei Li three great thinkers also of the world and you are a video island we four of us believe that free will is uh is achievable what do you think free will no free will this is a very complicated question there's so many variables um it takes a long time to be able to unpack um many of these variables uh you know your gut microbiome has been around for billions of years and that's just older than you and your cortex is and so it's just uh you know there's that there's so many other aspects to it just like we manipulate Drosophila fruit flies and mice and fish and monkeys and do tests on them there's a very hubristic it's overly self-confident to think that there's not higher intelligence also doing the same thing to manipulate us and so there's lots of ways to take this and um there's lots of variables but it's it's I think it is very good to believe that um we have some sort of a thing to bring to the world and that we have to wake up and bring that thing to the world every day I think that's incredibly important do you think that given the rise of computational power that we may be living in a simulation haha yeah probably probably there are too many years to go so the the people in Silicon Valley they love to think about this future world very computerized I know but if you go to as I said if you go to the rest of the world you think you think the 90% of the world need is not uh virtual reality simulation and singularities no they need a clear food they need maybe 20 cents higher pay raise per hour yeah so probably there are some very smart people will frozen their brain and living in a interesting singularity world but the the majority I mean 1990 99% of the people still struggling for improve a little bit their traditional way of living and that it will last like 2000 years or maybe 1999 100 years so the singularity and the simulation yeah yeah and just a lot the bullshit the crap still feel the thinking so there's there's uh there's this there's this curve of of of ideas right now let's say and and um a lot of the very edge ideas over here uh if they become more about maybe how to improve the lives of 99% of people then we can advance society faster um sometimes then if you just have this sort of uh some people call it like intellectual masturbation around topics around like oh if we're in a simulation or if we're uh if we're approaching a singularity or how many how long it's going to take for us to to get there so I like I like questions like that because they can expand the mind but I also really like questions that can help a vast majority of people um increase their living standard around the world last question is what do you think is the most beautiful thing in the world most beautiful things in the world oh wow I believe you 70 you 70 I never been there but I believe you 70 if you go to my my computer the desktop the wall people would be you 70 most beautiful world wow I believe it's a world which a man and woman are equal and people are higher paid less stressful everybody go to gym and uh no poverty I think those are my um utopia utopia is my beauty most beautiful place yeah yeah and another let me finish this and I believe we are approaching to that beauty yes and the beauty is like a rabbit whenever you catch it you a little bit close to catch it up so there is a they will jump to a higher distance there another beauty exactly yeah yeah the constant iteration towards the pinnacle civilization and keep going yeah yeah that is true that way this has been such a fun episode thank you for coming on our show thank you Adam thank you Adam is this the simulation I would send my speaker to here you just send your speaker exactly yeah I like that collaboration between us let's definitely explore doing that I'm really looking forward to that also thank you everyone for tuning in we greatly appreciate it we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below in the episode let us know what you're thinking also have more conversations with your friends families coworkers people online about how we can bring some of the world's top thinkers to different countries around the world wherever you're watching from how can you bring some of the world top thinkers to your country to where you live and to help increase the business practices in your countries let's get going let's bring the world closer together and bring the best ideas around the world like that what who is Alan you are a thinker as well thank you Dalai thank you thank you and for all of those also that want to take 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